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08:49 < finkfox> hi. if looking for an instant messanger that provides secure encrypted privat communication, which solution would you say meets openbsd standards? preferably a terminal based client with minimal/limited codebase?
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08:56 < sonya> finkfox: look at tox: toxic/utox
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08:57 < sonya> finkfox: also, though not popular and questionable, 'otr' plugin/option for irc and whatever 
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09:00 < finkfox> sonya: ok thanks. 
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09:01 < finkfox> i've been playing with profanity/xmpp but the user experience with encryption (OMEMO) is rather questionable.
09:01 < sonya> finkfox: btw, #tox here
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09:02 < sonya> they could provide more detailed and verified answers
09:03 < sonya> i mean irc.libera.chat#tox  (just to clarify)
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09:11 < mischief> last i recall, gajim with its omemo plugin was pretty decent.
09:13 < finkfox> mischief: the whole xmpp environment feels rather broken. different client/server versions, incompabilities, failures. that's my experience over the past years.
09:14 < mischief> i ran my own prosody server for a while and it worked quite alright
09:17 < finkfox> mischief: yes using a personal server helps, however, I thought the idea of xmpp was to be federated and avoid single point of failure.
09:17 < mischief> there are many servers that do federate
09:17 < finkfox> also encrypted group chat extension state is experimental.
09:18 < finkfox> ok I will stop dicussion here, don't want to spam openbsd for that, or maybe continue in another channel?
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09:19 < mischief> i have no skin in the game any more, but if it's working for you, i'm happy. :-)
09:19 < finkfox> the thing is, it's not working, and it's frustrating, hence my original inquiry ;-)
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09:36 < sibiria> i used encrypted group chats with xmpp as well. it worked fine
09:36 < sibiria> support burden is with the client, not the xmpp server
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09:43 < finkfox> sibiria: ok. well, I was using terminal client "profanity", maybe that was the problem.
09:44 < finkfox> anyhow, I will give tox a try.
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10:54 < al1r4d> \o/ i success build dovecot+smtpd email server on openbsd
10:54 < al1r4d> nice
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11:04 < RobbieAB> al1r4d: Wooo, well done!
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11:04 < RobbieAB> I built my PoC about a year ago, never made it live as the current "free hoster" backed down abrubtly about introducing charges.
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11:07 < sibiria> how dare they charge for providing a VPS?
11:07 < sibiria> i'm still paying $0.00/month at Oracle Cloud since 18 months
11:07 < sibiria> i wonder when their aggressive marketing campaign ends and the bills start coming in
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11:24 < remiliascarlet> I got myself a 100% discount off of every single "cloud" mail hosting provider by simply hosting my own mail server.
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11:30 < RobbieAB> I did say it was ancient... (hence it's free, they haven't overed free tier in nearly 15 years if I have the time lines right.
11:30 < RobbieAB> Every now and then I consider migrating to a self-hosted solution again, and then I decide it's too much like effort dealing with the other user. 
11:31 < sonya> could you please advise (fast and simple :) ) way to scale /usr/share/misc/pcvtfonts/vt220l.816 to 16x32 (width x height) size? thanks a lot! 
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11:33 < sonya> any way to scale pcvtfonts without digging the sources will fit
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11:35 < sonya> or.. how to force inteldrm to set kernel console to 240x67 or any other proper resolution for existing 8x16 pcvtfonts..
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11:38 < sonya> scale fonts with wsfontload doesn't work and increase columns/lines with wsconscfg also fail with existing fonts.
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13:20 < A1ice> ?
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13:31 < sibiria> insane
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16:57 < morpho> im looking for GPU programming tools on oBSD
16:58 < morpho> like RenderDoc, nSight and those kinds of thing, though none are available.
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17:01 < morpho> is there another way to do this? Like the GPU evuivelent of using malloc debug flags as opposed to Valgrind
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18:16 < morpho> I might just try to port RenderDoc. Has there been any history or interest in doing this before?
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18:18 < thrig> presumably the list archives for ports or maybe misc could answer that
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18:19 < morpho> is that a mailing list?
18:20 < ssm_> morpho: check ports@ https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&r=1&w=2
18:21 < ssm_> this is the archive for ports@openbsd.org
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18:23 < morpho> looks like nothing
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18:31 < vortexx> morpho: you asked that question two weeks ago... What made you think anything might have changed?
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18:47 < morpho> vortexx just different people viewing the chat
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19:02 < morpho> how can I check what is in the current ports? Is there likely to be a more recent version of software as opposed to release
19:04 < sibiria> you can and should simply update your packages
19:04 < sibiria> pkg_add -u
19:05 < sibiria> you can add -n/-s if you just want to see what would happen, should there be any updates
19:05 < morpho> so is there any difference in packages between using current and release?
19:06 < sibiria> current is snapshots, aka unstable aka active development branch
19:06 < sibiria> what you're looking for is probably -stable - which is merely an up-to-date release
19:06 < sibiria> what you get with syspatch and updating your packages
19:06 < fro> current is going to have some newer packages, yes
19:07 < morpho> I was looking at renderdoc but it needs qt5.6 to compile
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19:09 < morpho> and i can only find 5.12 as a port
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19:12 < morpho> unless qt did their releases like that
19:15 < fro> well
19:15 < fro> you could find out easily
19:15 < fro> qt 5.6 was released in 2016 for instance
19:16 < morpho> sorry
19:16 < fro> and qt 5.12 looks to be an LTS release starting in 2018
19:16 < fro> so there's that
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19:55 < morpho> so now I am getting compile errors from the version of catch that it ships
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22:29 < morpho> https://bsd.ac/wckxet7
22:30 < morpho> i am trying to build renderdoc and am stuck at this part of the compilation
22:33 < morpho> I have found the piece of code that it looks like I need to change but im a bit out of my deptch
22:37 < ssm_> morpho: looks like since openbsd is never defined anywhere, CATCH_TRAP isn't set to anything; you can force defines in the ports Makefile by editing CXXFLAGS I believe
22:37 < ssm_> -DCATCH_TRAP=whatever
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22:38 < ssm_> or you can make a patch
22:40 < morpho> so this program compiles with cmake and then make
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22:41 < morpho> I have tried adding flags like as an argument to cmake and make but it doesnt make a difference
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22:41 < pony> maybe it cmakes a difference
22:41 < pony> :3
22:41 < morpho> :)
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22:43 < morpho> like I tried adding -DCATCH_PLATFORM_MAC=1 and -DCATCH_PLATFORM_LINUX=1 to see what would happen
22:43 < morpho> and it still says it undefined
22:46 < ssm_> does adding -DCATCH_TRAP=blah to CONFIGURE_ARGS do anything?
22:46 < ssm_> cmake is annoying
22:46 < ssm_> read port-modules(5) if you haven't already
22:46 < ssm_> make -p is also your friend
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22:47 < morpho> thankyou
22:48 < ssm_> bsd.port.mk(5) is also a manual I have open all the time when I'm writing ports
22:48 < morpho> im just trying to compile it first
22:48 < morpho> then I was going to write a port for the ports
22:48 < morpho> il check it out, thankyou
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23:07 < myappie> bsdports.org should be online in a few hours
23:08 < tux0r> what will it do?
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23:26 < myappie> tux0r: live reactive semantic search of openbsd's ports, featuring a design so slick you don't notice it at first.
23:26 < tux0r> ah, the maximum design i like in a website is "just use the browser defaults" tbh
23:26 < myappie> it was up for a week or so a year ago
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23:27 < myappie> yep
23:27 < tux0r> but we already have a gazillion of openbsd port websites
23:27 < myappie> hehe
23:27 < myappie> well
23:27 < myappie> openports.se belongs to netbsd, and has retired
23:27 < myappie> openports.pl seems also to have retired
23:27 < tux0r> how so? Ports Readmes 7.52, created on 2024-05-25 
23:28 < myappie> this site will show what a top modern mobile-first PWA rails app can do
23:28 < tux0r> (openports.pl)
23:28 < myappie> oh its up? ok
23:28 < myappie> yeah solene its creator has been of huge help
23:28 < tux0r> and its search is weird but functional
23:28 < tux0r> solene is pretty awesome tbh
23:28 < myappie> yes, i hope she can help maintain bsdports.org
23:29 < myappie> or bsdports.net, whatever
23:29 < tux0r> ah, i could surely help maintain a website too
23:29 < myappie> https://www.colby.so/posts/live-search-with-rails-and-stimulusreflex
23:29 < myappie> tux0r: consider it done!
23:29 < myappie> id like to host it on openbsd.amsterdam
23:30 < myappie> and maybe evenetually it will overthrow the existing openbsd.org, since its so much better
23:31 < myappie> reminds me, it should mirror man.openbsd.org too.
23:31  * tux0r prefers his servers under his own thumb, but openbsd.amsterdam probably has better failsafe backups (like.. any at all)
23:31 < myappie> hehe
23:32 < myappie> i use this .sh script for both openbsd and the rails app;
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23:39 < myappie> tux0r: https://gist.github.com/basicfeatures/9874d728c596c3d72567384cc8555c82
23:40 < tux0r> the first thing i notice it that #!/bin/sh would probably work just fine with only minor corrections ;o)
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23:41 < myappie> hehe
23:41 < myappie> yeah, youre absolutely right
23:41 < tux0r> well, one gets used to that
23:41 < myappie> the guys in #zsh aren't very nice either.
23:42 < tux0r> the zsh is more of a meme than a tool, methinks
23:42 < myappie> its only meant to run once, this script
23:42 < myappie> well, ive written some nice scripts with it, that would otherwise be very complicated
23:42 < tux0r> for things run once, a shell script is still a weird choice. especially a complex one like that :D
23:42 < myappie> hehe
23:43 < myappie> yeah but its intended for other rewrites of much denser rails apps. this turned out to be quite a nice workflow, i like it.
23:43 < tux0r> i gave up on shell scripting years ago. first, because my preferred shells (tcsh and rc) suck for anything reasonably complex, and second, because anything that's not "run a command" does not belong in the shell IMO
23:43 < myappie> well
23:44 < tux0r> then again, my understanding of rails is non-existing
23:44 < myappie> yeah its useless now if you have a LLM integrated into your shell
23:44 < myappie> ah yes, rails is really freakin' fantastic :)
23:44 < tux0r> .. IF you like ruby :P
23:44 < myappie> hehe
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23:44 < myappie> i enjoyed this chat thanks tux0r
23:44 < myappie> heading back to work
23:44 < tux0r> on ruby vs. python, i chose python back in the day. ruby has too many haskell-isms and i find haskell weird
23:45 < tux0r> anyway, anytime! 1:45 AM here, i'll head back to sleep.. soon
23:45 < tux0r> :)
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