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00:34 < morpho> https://bsd.ac/p1e31aj
00:34 < morpho> how could I extend this to include OpenBSD
00:40 < morpho> is __OpenBSD__ valid?
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00:42 < tux0r> should be
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00:43 < morpho> ok that seems to compile now
00:48 < morpho> is there a way to cross compile or just set __Linux__ to be true instead of __OpenBSD__ as a test
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00:55 < erel> hello again guys
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00:55 < erel> how do i burn an iso to a flash drive in openBSD
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00:56 < erel> everytime i dd if=(iso) of=/dev/sd2 it writes to a file called sd2
00:56 < erel> in the same directory
00:59 < dlg> /dev is part of a normal filesystem
00:59 < dlg> so if you write to a new file, it'll treat it as a file
00:59 < dlg> writing to /dev/rsd2c might be more what you want
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01:11 < pardis> I'm sure if you keep doing the same thing, you will eventually get a different result
01:16 < morpho> https://bsd.ac/0zvjinm
01:17 < morpho> porting is quite fun once you get going
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08:24 < diox> I setup some wireguard interfaces with hostname.if(5). Do you know of any way to affect ordering how these are brought up?
08:25 < IcePic> !sleep 1 on the first, !sleep 2 on the second and so on. =)
08:26 < IcePic> more seriously though, how did you manage to get an ordering problem on them?
08:26 < IcePic> are you running one inside the other?
08:26 < diox> No, but there's dependencies. The interface holding the default route needs to be up before my wireguard interface
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08:27 < diox> Which doesn't seem to happen since I have to bring it up manually every time. I fail to see any relevant messages in the logs. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong place.
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08:31 < IcePic> physical interfaces should all go up before vlan/tunnels/vpns
08:32 < Lucas6023> indeed, I was checking /etc/netstart
08:32 < Lucas6023> # Configure interfaces that rely on routing
08:32 < Lucas6023> ifmstart "tun tap gif etherip gre egre nvgre eoip vxlan pflow wg"
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08:32 < Lucas6023> it's the second to last operation
08:32 < IcePic> and wg being "up" is kind of a vague term, since wg doesn't necessarily send anything or handshake until needed
08:33 < IcePic> one could always put a "sh /etc/netstart wg0" in rc.local for "safety" but it should not be strictly needed
08:35 < diox> Ok, thanks. Likely some other issue in that case
08:35 < Lucas6023> diox: does your wireguard tunnel all the traffic?
08:35 < diox> No
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11:49 < rnkn> I'm a child of git, say I wanna change one line in httpd and compile from source, do I just follow the instructions for checking out the CVS then edit the file? does CVS has the same concept of a "commit"?
11:50 < rnkn> (i.e. to send the change upstream)
11:51 < sibiria> you can download the sources and use those, without diving into the repo
11:53 < sibiria> if you want or need to move ahead from -release, *then* you can sync with cvs
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11:59 < rnkn> sibiria: ah of course, thanks!
12:00 < rnkn> if I wanna send a patch, how should I create it? (I really only know git)
12:01 < IcePic> if you worked off the github mirror, mailing the output of "git diff" could suffice.
12:03 < IcePic> there's even info in the FAQ about this: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Diff
12:04 < rnkn> oh cool, git diffs, easy
12:04 < rnkn> thanks :)
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17:49 < seninha> Hi! I got a Playstation Eye (PS3 webcam): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Eye dmesg sees it as "OmniVision Technologies, Inc. USB Camera-B4.09.24.1"
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17:50 < seninha> The microphone is recognized and attaches to audio1 (audio0 is already my laptops microphone).
17:50 < seninha> But it does not attach to any uvideo(4) or video(4) driver.
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17:51 < seninha> usbdevs -v says it attaches to uaudio0 and ugen2
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17:52 < seninha> Do you used that webcam? Do you know whether it can work?
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18:03 < dfdx> seninha: netbsd has some support... but it may take a lot of work for you to get it working on openbsd. https://man.netbsd.org/pseye.4
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18:14 < echelon> hi, when you're using resflash to build an image, does it pull the latest package updates or do you have to provide them yourself?
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18:23 < Bradipo> seninha: I presume you've read through the FAQ? http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#webcam
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18:47 < seninha> Bradipo, yep. I have read it.
18:47 < seninha> Only video0 (for the laptop camera) has something attached.
18:47 < Bradipo> Well, maybe it's just unsupported as dfdx suggested.
18:49 < seninha> >man: No entry for pseye in section 4 of the manual.
18:49 < seninha> I think that's the case then...
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18:50 < seninha> netbsd's manual says "The Sony PlayStation Eye device also has a separate audio interface, which is supported by the uaudio(4) device driver."
18:50 < seninha> Exactly what is happening here. uaudio(4) already recognizes playstation eye's microphone
18:51 < Bradipo> So the audio works but not the video?
18:52 < sibiria> probably just two separate devices on the USB chain
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18:55 < njn> hey, had a quick question, not so much openbsd related question, but can a private ssh key be recreated from the public key by itself?
18:55 < Bradipo> If this were true, then we're in trouble.
18:55 < sibiria> no, it's done the other way
18:55 < seninha> Bradipo, yes. Fully working.
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18:56 < Bradipo> It would be a super security hole if it were possible to recreate the private key from the public key.
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18:56 < Bradipo> public keys are supposed to be "public".
18:56 < Bradipo> Meaning that anyone can have access to the key without compromising the crypto system.
18:56 < njn> ok, just making sure because i have it regenerating a new key on login i wanted to make sure its alright to leave the public key in the .ssh folder
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18:57 < sibiria> if you don't leave the public key there, you cannot connect to that account with the related private key
18:57 < phy1729> They're doing midly insane things where users share an account but aren't supposed to know about each other or something like that
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18:58 < njn> storing the keys is a real problem
18:58 < njn> "securely"
18:58 < Bradipo> Well, I'm not sure we know what njn is doing with the public key.
18:59 < Bradipo> "leave the public key in the .ssh folder" isn't exactly precise as to what it intends.
18:59 < sibiria> you can password-protect the private key. but the question is, why do you keep making new ones all the time?
18:59 < njn> no matter what you do, its going to be in memory or just sitting on your drive just waiting to be hijacked?
18:59 < seninha> dfdx, Bradipo, thanks!
18:59 < Bradipo> A public key that is just "in the .ssh directory" will not allow access per se.
19:00 < sibiria> it's not in memory except briefly when you authenticate. and as i mentioned, you can encrypt the private key so that a password is required to open it
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19:00 < njn> if you use an agent though
19:01 < pardis> it's probably a good idea to explain your problem instead of feeding us one vague sentence fragment at a time
19:01 < Bradipo> Only if the public key is in the AuthorizedKeysFile will it make a different for authentication.
19:05 < njn> there is no real problem per se, im just worried about storing the private key in any way shape or form. i mean i could encrypt it, but unencrypting it from windows is a hassle
19:05 < pardis> if you don't want to store it, you don't want to have it at all
19:05 < pardis> so then just don't generate one
19:06 < njn> i started generating a new key on every login and using skey
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19:06 < thrig> and this is solving what?
19:06 < pardis> "no real problem", apparently
19:07 < njn> never actually storing a key?
19:07 < sibiria> i don't understand that either. just password-protect the private key and let users hold on to them
19:07 < njn> unless i need to ?
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19:08 < njn> yeah, its also password protected.
19:08 < sibiria> if you consider keys a hazard then switch to secure passwords
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19:17 < njn> maybe im being too paranoid, you already need to know the username, be on my network have the key, provide the password and authenticate via skey
19:18 < njn> oh and the port number
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19:25 < echelon> the only security policy enforced by openssh for handling of keys is to set the private key to be readable only by the owner, not having a permissive .ssh/ dir
19:25 < njn> i know openbsd uses pledge/unvail but browsers make me paranoid
19:25 < echelon> openbsd's firefox and chrome builds also use unveil/pledge
19:25 < njn> THATS the real issue im having
19:26 < echelon> what
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19:27 < njn> veil* sorry
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19:27 < Bradipo> So you're concerned about the web browser having access to your $HOME/.ssh directory and any private keys that might be there?
19:27 < njn> yes
19:27 < mischief> use a hardware token like yubikey?
19:27 < Bradipo> So, run the web browser under a different user.
19:27 < phy1729> Try going to file:///home/njn/.ssh
19:28 < Bradipo> phy1729: That would work fine on my system because I find invariably that I have to disable unveil for FF.
19:28 < Bradipo> Otherwise nothing works.
19:29 < echelon> phy1729: it says file not found?
19:29 < echelon> shouldn't it coredump?
19:29 < phy1729> No
19:29 < echelon> oh
19:29 < Bradipo> Not for unveil.
19:29 < Bradipo> unveil just "hides" the filesystem.
19:29 < phy1729> pledge will abort the process; unveil does ENOENT
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19:30 < mischief> you could run applications as another user, and use something like Xephyr for X isolation
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19:31 < mischief> but then you're getting into Qubes territory :)
19:31 < Bradipo> Really?  That doesn't really seem like Qubes to me.
19:31 < Bradipo> Maybe I misunderstand what that means though... explain?
19:32 < njn> i guess i could just store the file offline. the idea of storing the file locally sounds like a bad idea esp on an unencrypted/running operating system
19:32 < njn> thats on the internet ...
19:33 < sibiria> passwords are a valid solution in many cases. enforce secure such, and your only potential problem is keyloggers...
19:33 < sibiria> and if one of those are present, you have bigger problems that pubkeys can't solve
19:36 < phy1729> njn: just get a FIDO2 key; it's already ok due to pledge, but a hardware key doesn't hurt and is one of the best 2FA options
19:37 < mischief> there's like 3 different ways to use a yubikey to authenticate ssh
19:38 < mischief> if you're going to worry about key exfiltration on your system, why is having the key remote/on external storage any better?
19:38 < phy1729> You can have a password protected non-resident key
19:39 < njn> its not really any better other than its not just stitting there
19:39 < njn> i mean the file itself i guess could be regenerated even if deleted, unless you keep writing t the block
19:39 < njn> to*
19:41 < mischief> you have to issue secure erase commands to the controller
19:41 < mischief> otherwise the wear leveling boogyman will get you :)
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19:46 < njn> all this just to ssh securely ... :/
19:47 < sibiria> i used passwords and TOTP. i don't worry
19:48 < njn> TOTP?
19:48 < sibiria> 2FA
19:48 < njn> Time-based one-time passwords .. i see
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19:49 < sibiria> in fact i could drop the 2FA. it's just part of my "belt and suspenders" approach. i feel confident enough in my use of passwords for the sensitive hosts
19:51 < njn> so password + otp?
19:51 < sibiria> that's what i use for my personal sensitive hosts, yes
19:51 < sibiria> 2FA located on secondary device (phone)
19:51 < njn> hmm, sounds reasonable
19:52 < echelon> passwords? you don't trust public key crypto?
19:52 < njn> i appreciate the advice
19:52 < sibiria> i trust pubkey crypto
19:52 < njn> everyone
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19:54 < mischief> work does some crazy shit, like kerberos tickets plus fido :)
19:55 < sibiria> and tickets only collectible via LDAP hosted on FreeIPA which crashes all the time etc.? :)
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19:55 < sibiria> "it's Enterprise standard, Recommended(r) Posture(tm)"
19:56 < mischief> i'm fairly certain it's microsoft ad
19:57 < thrig> 389-ds took four bugfixes and one CVE to not totally suck in production, back in the day
19:58 < sibiria> Bloody Hat ftw
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20:00 < njn> any program is potentionally an exploit
20:00 < njn> can be*
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21:15 < morpho> so I am trying to port renderdoc. There was a port to FreeBSD a few months ago, would this section of code work on OpenBSD too?
21:15 < Lucas6023> no
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21:16 < morpho> https://github.com/baldurk/renderdoc/blob/62e7ccda1cd99118cc0ce649a068942b95244b52/renderdoc/os/posix/bsd/bsd_callstack.cpp
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21:18 < morpho> i didnt think so. There is a seperate implementation for Apple, Linux and FreeBSD
21:18 < Lucas6023> keep in mind that my answer is from before you sent the link
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21:18 < Lucas6023> as I understood your question was "will this FreeBSD port work in OpenBSD"
21:19 < Lucas6023> that specific code looks like will work in any platform
21:19 < Lucas6023> as it's the "non supported platform" version
21:20 < morpho> no, im just trying to compile it first and am just chipping away at the compile errors one by one
21:21 < morpho> https://github.com/baldurk/renderdoc/blob/62e7ccda1cd99118cc0ce649a068942b95244b52/renderdoc/os/posix/linux/linux_callstack.cpp#L42
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21:21 < morpho> I just tried using this one first but it wont compile
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21:30 < pardis> the easiest way to find out if code works on OpenBSD is to try compiling and running it
21:30 < pardis> certainly more accurate than getting people on IRC to eyeball it
21:32 < morpho> i'd like to know what this code does really, compiling it now
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21:45 < mischief> morpho: it wants to get a backtrace of the C function calls
21:46 < mischief> backtrace(3) may work on openbsd
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21:47 < morpho> is the fBSD version just a graceful fallback then? It compiles so far
21:48 < mischief> see the bottom of the file. it just punts on it and returns an error.
21:49 < morpho> thankyou
21:52 < morpho> so far piecing together parts of Mac and Linux has seemed to work
21:53 < mischief> do you intend to actually use this..?
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21:54 < morpho> what do you mean? hopefully i can use it
21:57 < morpho> https://github.com/baldurk/renderdoc/blob/62e7ccda1cd99118cc0ce649a068942b95244b52/renderdoc/os/posix/bsd/bsd_process.cpp
21:59 < morpho> struct kinfo_proc seems to be different on OpenBSD, what should I look at to fix this?
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22:02 < morpho> https://bsd.ac/2iuwidd Seems to be something with ptrace too?
22:04 < echelon> has anyone tried running mirageos in vmm?
22:04 < echelon> https://github.com/mirage/mirage
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22:43 < morpho> im stuck with ptrace, apple and fbsd seem to be similar for this and set a compiler flag. How could I port this part to OpenBSD?
22:44 < morpho> s_debuggerPresent = (info.ki_flag & P_TRACED);
22:50 < mischief> perhaps read /usr/include/sys/proc.h
22:51 < morpho> found a reference to this in Chromium too, which does have an option for OpenBSD
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22:54 < morpho> thankyou mischief. #define PS_TRACED 0x00000200 /* Being ptraced. */
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23:02 < morpho> i can't compile with that header
23:03 < echelon> is there like a screensaver app that will only let you view your desktop but if you tried to interact with it at all, it would prompt you to log in?
23:03 < echelon> kind of like a kiosk mode?
23:04 < Bradipo> You mean, kind of like a screensaver?
23:04 < Bradipo> I know that xscreensaver does have one mode that shows your desktop as a screenshot.
23:05 < Bradipo> xlock(1) might have a similar mode.
23:05 < mischief> try: xlock -geometry 1x1
23:05 < Bradipo> Haha, clever.
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23:06 < Bradipo> echelon: Be sure to read the warnings and caveats with using -geometry.
23:07 < Bradipo> http://man.openbsd.org/xlock#geometry
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23:14 < Bradipo> You might want to force the mode with -mode blank or something to avoid "modes will fail".
23:15 < thrig> and energy saver, etc
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