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00:26 < polarian> what would be the best place to put scripts I want to cron (which require root access)?
00:26 < polarian> leave them under /root or is there a more sane place to put it
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03:13 < lts> Perhaps /usr/local/bin
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08:14 < bountyht> I tend to use /usr/local/bin myself
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11:31 < vortexx> yay, got pppoe working on my new internet connection. Had to use CHAP instead of PAP. However, the default gw wasn't added to the routing table by npppd, do I have to configure something for that?
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11:44 < betabug> if it's a fixed gateway, might need to put it into /etc/mygate
11:45 < betabug> man mygate
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11:55 < betabug> np :-)
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12:54 < IchikaZou> `not build because unlinked(wayland)`
12:54 < IchikaZou> What does this mean? Search around and didn’t find something.
12:54 < IchikaZou>  I’m trying to build foot terminal from port
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12:58 < IcePic> unlinked wayland means there is a port for it, and others that depend on it, but since it is listed as not to be built, the things that depend on it can't be built either
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14:15 < IchikaZou> Hmm apparently not. Is there a way I could check which dependencies cause not to build?
14:17 < IcePic> IchikaZou: well, wayland is unconnected because its not fully usable, or it perhaps lays itself over x11 causing interesting conflicts or something like that, so unless you are prepared to deal with such issues, you more or less just have to wait 
14:18 < IcePic> as for looking at deps, https://openports.pl/path/wayland/foot might help
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14:23 < IchikaZou> When I “make install” wayland it would start building(doesn’t let it finish building since I’m outside and forget to bring charger), the other package that has this same not build message is fcft
14:24 < IchikaZou> I should just wait, this is beyond my knowledge to solve it
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14:26 < byteskeptical> IchikaZou: what is the error message when the build stops?
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14:29 < IcePic> byteskeptical: it fails building "foot" because wayland is unlinked
14:30 < IchikaZou> I didn’t let it finish, I just ctrl-c terminated the build process, I forgot to bring my laptop charger and I afraid my laptop would run out power before it finish building
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14:34 < IchikaZou> I mean I terminated wayland build process not foot, foot will show “not build because unlinked(wayland)” message
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14:54 < vortexx> why doesn't iftop work with pppoe connections?
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15:18 < wakaflaka> More contenders for OpenBSD 8.0's official song: https://whyp.it/collections/2076/test
15:18 < wakaflaka> They are all mastered in OpenBSD ofcourse.
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15:19 < brass_> wakaflaka: what's the theme?
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15:20  * lts sus @ that link
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15:35 < byteskeptical> wait what was the issue?
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15:43 < jrmu> Can a vlan offer better security than just a simple bridge? If a device on the broadcast segment decides to snoop, I guess vlan frames are tagged and the bridge doesn't forward them, but wouldn't a smart bridge avoid forwarding packets to the wrong destination as well? So that only broadcast frames could be snooped upon
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15:49 < betabug> byteskeptical: I think it was with the user in general, not the link
15:50 < betabug> though I didn't bother look at the link
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16:19 < byteskeptical> betabug: ah I see thanks
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16:31 < IcePic> jrmu: but you could spoof the arp of someone else and get their traffic, at least for a moment. With a vlan capable switch you would not be able to "be" in the wrong network
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18:10 < ashleyku> hey folks, I'm trying to set a very big ulimit for a single program that uses a lot of memory, but -m appears to cap out at 2000000k == is there some way to set a larger limit?
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18:13 < ashleyku> the man page does say the limit is not enforced, so maybe my program is simply allocating too much physical memory (a flawed assumption on my end in that case)
18:18 < ashleyku> the program in particular is the openjdk jvm, which has to allocate multiple gigabytes. I only have 8G + 8G swap, which should be enough for a single process but I do assume it forks at some point
18:18 < ashleyku> and openbsd does not overcommit, is that correct?
18:18 < ashleyku> is my only option to allocate a ton of swap space that will never be used?
18:19 < ashleyku> e.g., if I expect the program to use 4G and fork 16 times I'd need 64G of swap
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18:24 < jrmu> IcePic: hmm with vm.conf, I set locked lladdr, I guess that's the context of where I'm thinking of security
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18:24 < jrmu> But supposing a device could spoof the hardware mac address. Couldn't it also spoof the vlan tag?
18:25 < jrmu> ashleyku: there might be a sysctl that sets another limit in addition to what login.conf sets, I think?
18:28 < thrig> clever switch can probably associate a mac address or vlan with a particular physical port, and ignore or warn about stuff that shows up wrongly
18:29 < ashleyku> jrmu: but does my reasoning make sense?
18:29 < ashleyku> even if I increase an arbitrary limit, openbsd will still do worst-case memory accounting right?
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18:30 < ashleyku> of course a well written program wouldn't depend on that, but I'm trying to run a poorly written program, for better or for worse
18:33 < jrmu> Yeah that's what I thought about the switch/port. I'm not sure if the vlan is really offering much security, I'm not sure
18:33 < jrmu> I'd imagine that a switch should be able to figure out if the hardware address on each port gets spoofed
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18:34 < jrmu> ashleyku: hm unfortunately I don't know enough to comment
18:37 < ashleyku> all good :)
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18:45 < ashleyku> jrmu: I have just activated 256G of swap and still get the same error, so I think you're probably right
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18:58 < sonya> ashleyku: what $ ukimit -a tells you? 
18:58 < sonya> ulimit^
18:58 < ashleyku> sonya: the limit I set, 2000000, which I cannot increase
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18:58 < ashleyku> if I don't set it it
18:58 < ashleyku> it's 8022936
18:59 < ashleyku> there's also 4096 stack and 1572864 data
19:00 < sonya> ashleyku: the rule is this (in general): /etc/login.conf sets 'global' limits for login class.. then after login (first exec of ~/.profile or so) you cat fine-tune within login.conf values
19:00 < ashleyku> sonya: yeah I was messing around with login.conf right now, but I can't seem to get it to work
19:00 < ashleyku> do I have to reboot every time I make a change?
19:01 < sonya> ashleyku: check your login class, check ulimit -a and adjust as needed
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19:01 < sonya> you need to logoff/login
19:01  * sonya had to leave for an hour or so,sorry
19:02 < ashleyku> in the login class, do I have to set datasize, memoryuse, or both?
19:02 < ashleyku> sonya: that's alright, cya!
19:04 < pardis> you don't need to log out and back in just to test your changes
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19:04 < pardis> 'su -l "$USER"' will start a new session in a terminal with your login.conf settings
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19:04 < pardis> then once you're done and it's working, you can log out and back in to apply it to your whole session
19:04 < ashleyku> this is my login class: https://clbin.com/VOjS7
19:04 < ashleyku> does that look right?
19:05 < ashleyku> I still can't set ulimit any higher, and allocations still fail
19:05 < pardis> I think that will replace your entire $PATH, so the path setting is probably not correct
19:05 < ashleyku> I'll try setting -cur too
19:06 < ashleyku> pardis: ah, I copied that from the default rule, which I guess just overwrites your path
19:06 < pardis> the problem isn't that you copied it, but that you removed all the things that are in it in the default rule
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19:07 < ashleyku> right, so my assumption that values would get inherited was wrong
19:08 < pardis> they are inherited, but in this case you're overriding the inherited setting
19:09 < pardis> note that ksh(1) says "limits may not be increased once they are set."
19:09 < pardis> are you trying to further increase your ulimit in a shell where you have already raised it?
19:09 < ashleyku> no, I'm only messing with login.conf right now, no ulimit
19:10 < ashleyku> pardis: should the value of path be set to the user's $PATH var?
19:10 < ashleyku> if so that doesn't seem to be the case after su -l as suggested
19:10 < ashleyku> or at all
19:10 < pardis> I have datasize-cur=1536M and datasize-max=infinity in my login.conf and I can 'ulimit -d' to higher than 2000000
19:10 < pardis> if your .profile sets $PATH then that will override any default, of course
19:10 < ashleyku> oh right
19:11 < pardis> I *think* login.conf sets the default $PATH based on the man page, but I haven't actually used that feature
19:11 < ashleyku> pardis: so is my only option to set the default class to infinity and then restrict all the users I *don't* want to have infinite memory individually?
19:12 < pardis> that depends on what you're trying to accomplish
19:12 < pardis> do you want users to be able to use unlimited memory unless specifically restricted?
19:12 < ashleyku> no, I only want this user to be able to have unlimited memory, and preferably only the jvm executable
19:13 < ashleyku> but you said that I can't inherit from default because I can only decerase, not increase, a limit
19:13 < pardis> I didn't say that atall
19:13 < ashleyku> oh?
19:14 < ashleyku> oh did you mean for ulimit specifically
19:14 < ashleyku> note that ksh(1) says "limits may not be increased once they are set."
19:14 < pardis> yes, I was referring to ksh(1)'s description of ulimit
19:14 < ashleyku> right
19:14 < pardis> you said you can't raise your datasize limit beyond 2000000, and I'm wondering if that's because you had already run 'ulimit -d 2000000' in the shell you were trying that in
19:14 < ashleyku> well for what it's worth setting unlimited in default works, but not on a specific login class
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19:14 < pardis> is your user actually in that login class?
19:15 < pardis> you also need tc=default to inherit from default, by the way
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19:16 < pardis> see for example the staff login class in the default login.conf, which inherits from default
19:17 < ashleyku> pardis: oh, I assumed those were user groups!
19:17 < ashleyku> pardis: right, thanks
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19:22 < ashleyku> pardis: I did everything as you said, and put my user in the login class, and it works like a charm! thanks :D
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19:24 < pardis> no worries
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19:28 < sonya> ashleyku: $ man 2 sysctl ; $ man 8 sysctl for some kernel-related limits/restrictions you can encounter.. for some daemons settings of separate login class in /etc/login.conf.d/ is a key to do things right..
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19:29 < ashleyku> thanks sonya 
19:29  * sonya is back.. huh..
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19:29 < ashleyku> will keep in mind
19:29 < sonya> pardis: thanks for login-class tutorial :))
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19:36 < xse> the login class vs group confusion is a fairly common mistake, maybe having useradd and so on outputing the same sort of thing userinfo does could help disambiguate
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20:35 < vortexx> has anyone tried Devolo powerline ethernet products? Cos it seems to be either them or TP Link, and we all how bad products from a company with TP in the name are
20:35 < vortexx> just want to know if the 1200Mbps speeds advertisded are anywhere close to reality
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20:38 < mischief> no experience, but i've never heard good things about powerline equipment
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20:42 < metavoid> vortexx: no, not close to reality last time I tried powerline ethernet. Overall the transfer speeds vary extremely
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20:50 < vortexx> thanks metavoid 
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21:04 < vortexx> I need to move my server from the temporary location of the lounge to the utility room, which hopefully it'll manage in. Otherwise it's spare bedroom, which noise issues when I have guest over for the night. Noctua fans help a lot but drives are still noisy
21:05 < vortexx> I could cable to the utility room but that would involve having to go via the ceiling, not ideal
21:07 < vortexx> at least wifi signals easily reaches to the master bedroom (performance goes down by 2/3 but it's enough to watch yt on)
21:08 < vortexx> so glad pppoe setup was a breeze thanks to, of course, the perfect manpage
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21:11 < AShapiro> vortexx: if you happen to have coax running to your rooms (like a lot of houses here in the US do), you could always give MoCa a shot
21:12 < AShapiro> i was lucky when i got my house. previous owners must've reaaaally liked their television. nearly every room is on a wired LAN with no effort required from me other than to buy some transceivers and plug them in
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21:17 < vortexx> AShapiro: I'm in Switzerland and coax only ever runs to one point in a flat here
21:18 < vortexx> you're lucky on the coax in every room
21:18 < AShapiro> yeah, it was a very happy surprise
21:18 < AShapiro> i hate pulling cable lol :)
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21:28 < ashleyku> xse: imho it would be nice if it were prominently documented in the login.conf manpage
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21:29 < thrig> submit a patch
21:29 < ashleyku> the wording of "A special record, "default", in /etc/login.conf is used for any user without a valid login class in /etc/master.passwd." makes it sound like all the non-default records refer to users, even if it is explicitly pointing you to master.passwd (which you have to be familiar with in order to understand this paragraph)
21:30 < ashleyku> thrig: I'm not a great writer but I could give it a shot
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