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00:07 < ssm_> awk '/^$/{printf "\n\n"; next}; {printf "%s ", $0}' did it for me
00:08 < ssm_> there is an extra space after every line with text, but whatever
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00:20 < mischief> ssm_: throw a sed s/ $//g for good measure ;)
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00:27 < sysfu> Is there a way to get httpd to log the User-Agent string from connecting clients? Searched man pages and mailing lists to no avail.
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00:38 < ssm_> I had a boggle(6) board with "foss" and "bsd" which weren't valid words, but "dos" was a valid word >:(
00:39 < sysfu> maybe add 'log style combined' to the server location stanza in httpd.conf?
00:40 < thrig> duck duck go really doesn't like my user-agent string
00:40 < sysfu> OK, that seemed to do it.
00:41 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/eg.txt
00:46 < sysfu> That is quite the user-agent string, can't imagine what beef the duck could have.
00:46 < thrig> yeah crazy right? (they also started objecting to MSIE 8/Windows 8 so I upped the game
00:53 < sysfu> You're not gangsta until you're advertising netscape navigator on WinME.
00:53 < sysfu> Try BeOS and see what happens.
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01:08 < pardis> at least some web software doesn't sanitise user-agent strings that contain HTML before displaying them
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02:24 < Tingo> Hi, Few days ago strange thing happend to my MacBook Pro.. i had installed OpenBSD as a VM on my VMware.. after a week usage of it, my Macbook pro SSD got fully corrupted and SSD chip on board is uncable to detect by macbook..
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02:26 < Tingo> is it something related to OpenBSD ?
02:26 < remiliascarlet> taeltydes: First off, OpenBSD used Clang 13 for a long time, which in web developer years is considered Paleolithic technology, they recently updated it to Clang 16, so that's ancient Egyptian technology if you're a Javascript developer. And OpenBSD will dump .core files by default if your program crashes, which you can then debug with GDB or some other debugger.
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02:27 < remiliascarlet> sibiria: "suggest sane editor instead of vi/vim" Which are the sanest editors out there.
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02:31 < Tingo> nano/neovim/emacs
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02:41 < remiliascarlet> Neovim is just Vim, but with Lua support.
02:41 < remiliascarlet> And Emacs is not a text editor, it's an operating system.
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02:45 < ssm_> remiliascarlet: but mg is an emacs without the operating system, so what is an mg?
02:45 < Tingo> GNU Emacs is a Text Editor..
02:45 < Tingo> ?
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02:48 < thumbs> The emacs comment was facetious.
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03:00 < Tingo> well OpenBSD is using different architecture for storing data ? first i had doubt that might be OpenBSD OS had corrupted my SSD but may be NOT..
03:02 < remiliascarlet> ssm_: Why do you ask me a question you already answered in the exact same sentence?
03:02 < pony> metal gear editor
03:02 < pony> !
03:03 < remiliascarlet> Looking up the meaning of "facetious": 剽軽
03:05 < remiliascarlet> pony: my goodness editor
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03:07 < thumbs> remiliascarlet: You don't use that word?
03:07 < thrig> the joke runs along the lines of emacs a fine OS lacking only a decent text editor
03:08 < remiliascarlet> thumbs: Yes, because it's the first time I see that word.
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03:53 < jrmu> is there any tool that's in openbsd base which can be used for bandwidth accounting across an interface?
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04:02 < lts> nc(1) with wc(1)
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04:38 < byteskeptical> jrmu: kstat
04:39 < jrmu> interesting, thanks byteskeptical 
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04:41 < byteskeptical> np
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06:21 < sysfu> I deleted /var/db/spamd because I'm running spamd in blacklist only mode. Occasionally spamlogd complains that it cannot open /var/db/spamd. Is there a way to recreate without taking spamd out of blacklist only mode?
06:22 < sysfu> It's filling my daemonlog with junk entries.
06:22 < zelest> I think you can just touch it and make sure it's own by the right user/group.. and restart spamd..
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06:24 < sysfu> zelest, OK, I think root:wheel ownership should do the trick.
06:24 < zelest> _spamd:_spamd
06:24 < sysfu> aye, changing now thx
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07:54 < svragv> Hello, I've upgraded to openbsd 7.5 some weeks ago and now my TERM cannot be xterm-256 colors no more
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07:54 < svragv> "zsh: can't find terminal definition for xterm-256color" it says
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08:03 < IcePic> svragv: do you have the file?
08:03 < IcePic> ls -l /usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm-256color 
08:03 < IcePic> -r--r--r--  1 root  bin  4044 Jun  3 09:33 /usr/share/terminfo/x/xterm-256color
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08:10 < svragv> icepic yes
08:10 < svragv> /usr/share/terminfo/x % stat xterm-256color
08:10 < svragv> 1024 25488026 -r--r--r-- 1 root bin 101778301 4044 "Jun 10 09:54:47 2024" "Mar 20 22:16:44 2024" "Apr 23 10:02:36 2024" 32768 8 0 xterm-256color
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08:21 < IcePic> svragv: so what is the "not working" part? errors or just no colors or ?
08:22 < sibiria> remiliascarlet: imo nano is a great editor for just doing basic stuff without any do-gooder functionality getting in your way
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08:28 < svragv>  export TERM=xterm-256color
08:28 < svragv> zsh: can't find terminal definition for xterm-256color
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08:31 < IcePic> svragv: do other (also available TERM modes) work?
08:31 < svragv> yea
08:31 < svragv> export TERM=xterm-88color
08:31 < svragv> that works, for example
08:32 < IcePic> svragv: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/677559/zsh-cant-find-terminal-definitions-on-mac <- perhaps related?
08:32 < svragv> nope, gives the same error
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16:09 < thyssentishman> any ideas on how to debug a non-working thinkpad keyboard? for some reason keys are repeated every time I press them and there's big delays between the key being pressed and the characters being displayed
16:10 < thyssentishman> posted about it in misc@ and bugs@ but no answers so far
16:11 < thyssentishman> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171758536326554&w=2
16:13 < thyssentishman> I also read that it might be related to the time counter but trying the different values  for kern.timecounter.hardware doesn't seem to have any positive effect
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16:21 < oldlaptop> thyssentishman: I'd want to be good and sure it's not a hardware thing.
16:22 < oldlaptop> Keyboards are... erm, vulnerable.
16:22 < thyssentishman> oldlaptop: I've running void Linux on it and its working without issues
16:22 < thyssentishman> the laptop is new
16:22 < thyssentishman> (most certainly too new for openbsd)
16:23 < thyssentishman> but that's why I'd like to try debug the issue myself if needed
16:23 < thyssentishman> I just don't know where to start
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16:27 < taeltydes> Tingo: I have too many machines to install lsp's & plugins. vanilla vim & ctags + man-pages are fine. Lem is cool if you're into emacs & don't want the kitchen sink. 
16:28 < taeltydes> thyssentish…: you tried xset?
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16:36 < thyssentishman> taeltydes: yeah I tried xset r off and that stops the key repetition but the delays are still there
16:36 < thyssentishman> and its not only related to X
16:36 < thyssentishman> it happens in the console too
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16:38 < taeltydes> xset r rate MS_DELAY RATE
16:39 < taeltydes> it would affect your tty also, worth a try.
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17:14 < vortexx> thyssentishman: is this in X only (what WM/DM are you using) or in the console too?
17:15 < thyssentishman> vortexx: console too :/
17:15 < thyssentishman> I'm using dwm
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17:22 < remiliascarlet> I used to use DWM, until I patched it so much that it became unmaintainable. So I'm using CWM nowadays.
17:23 < remiliascarlet> CTWM on NetBSD though.
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17:23 < remiliascarlet> But other OS's it's CWM.
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17:30 < thyssentishman> taeltydes: that last command you sent didn't work
17:30 < thyssentishman> thanks anyways
17:31 < thyssentishman> upgrading to latest snapshot now to see if I get any luck
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17:34 < thyssentishman> nope, no luck
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17:46 < sonya> thyssentishman: # wsconsctl keyboard | grep repeat
17:47 < sonya> try if not yet to play with available values
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17:48 < sonya> thyssentishman: or, as it's a thinkpad and bios is much more obsd friendly, # wsconsctl keyboard  - could reveal other useful values to play with
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17:59 < thyssentishman> sonya: the only *maybe* relevant variables I saw were keyboard.repeat.del{1,n} but playing with those didn't do anything
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18:00 < thyssentishman> I couldn't find what exactly they do
18:00 < thyssentishman> there's also keyboard.type but its read only
18:00 < thyssentishman> the rest is bell and led settings
18:01 < sonya> thyssentishman: not sure, may be keyboard.repeat.del{1,n} is for repeated delete rate..
18:01 < thyssentishman> sonya: yeah that's what I imagined too
18:02 < sonya> thyssentishman: and keyboard.repeat.del1.default is equal to keyboard.repeat.del1 , right?
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18:02 < thyssentishman> I get a few 'pckbc: command timeout' log messages in the console
18:02 < sonya> value i mean
18:02 < thyssentishman> so that's why I think it's a bug or lack of support
18:03 < thyssentishman> sonya: yep, its the default values
18:03 < sonya> ok.. need to look deeper into dmesg..
18:03 < thyssentishman> sonya: I sent a link to the post I made in misc@
18:03 < thyssentishman> that has the dmesg of my laptop
18:04 < thyssentishman> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171758536326554&w=2
18:04 < thyssentishman> here ^
18:06 < sonya> yeah, thanks.. looking
18:14 < xse> the recommended thing to try in a couple similar issues seem to already be set automatically with "timecounter: active counter changed: tsc -> acpihpet0"
18:14 < sonya> thyssentishman: this is a kind of standard: "pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 irq 1 irq 12" .. and this could be something unusual: "pckbc: command timeout"  .. as wsdisplay0 at amdgpu0 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation), using wskbd0 .. and wskbd0 ← pckbd0 ← pckbc0 ..
18:15 < sonya> thyssentishman: can you trace the source of "pckbc: command timeout"  message?
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18:22 < sonya> thyssentishman: sorry, my connection is awful as usual..  does #  grep pckbc /var/run/dmesg.boot  - return mentioned "pckbc: command timeout" ?
18:26 < sonya> thyssentishman: or it's visible for # dmesg -s ?
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18:45 < sonya> thyssentishman: anyway, $ man 4 pckbc  - with all following (possible) relation to the subject..  and here's the code  (if i'm not mistaken) :  https://github.com/openbsd/src/tree/master/sys/dev/pckbc    ..  unfortunately i can't point to the lines of code with exact resource allocation as don't have time to look through .. may be a bit later .. sorry
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18:50 < thyssentishman> sonya: yeah they are visible from dmesg -s
18:50 < thyssentishman> no worries, thanks for looking into it
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19:02 < sonya> thyssentishman: np, and one last question: did you try to boot into single-user mode (boot> boot -s  - at boot/loader prompt)? is kbd behave similar?
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19:09 < thyssentishman> sonya: yep same issue in single user mode
19:10 < thyssentishman> I also tried booting with the bsd.so kernel without success
19:10 < thyssentishman> s/bsd.so/bsd.sp/
19:11 < sonya> ok.. guess that bsd.rd in shell (Ctl+C) will behave the same.. ok..
19:13 < jrmu> How can I configure vmm to use vlans for virtual machines?  I saw openbsd.amsterdam * use this, but I am not sure how to replicate it.  As I understand it, vmm creates a tap(4) interface for each virtual machine, and all tap interfaces are then placed inside the switch defined in vm.conf, which in my case is veb(4). To set up the virtual machines, would I want to create a vlan(4) device for each virtual 
19:13 < jrmu> machine, and have the machine use that? And then to add the vlan device onto the veb bridge?  * https://openbsd.amsterdam/setup.html
19:16 < thyssentishman> sonya: just checking now and the 'pckbc: command timeout' log messages are visible from regular dmesg and not dmesg -s
19:16 < thyssentishman> so yes you can grep them
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19:17 < thyssentishman> see at the bottom of the dmesg of the post I made to misc@
19:17 < thyssentishman> not sure if that makes any difference but I wanted to clarify
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22:02 < ashleah> hey folks, I'm trying to format a partition I made with disklabel on a different disk using a userspace program (venti/fmtbloom) but even with doas it tells me "
22:02 < ashleah> "│venti/fmtbloom: can't open partition /dev/sd1b: can't determine size of partition /dev/sd1b"
22:02 < ashleah> is this because of securelevel?
22:02 < ashleah> if so how is this supposed to be done?
22:03 < sibiria> you don't format label "b". it's reserved for swap
22:04 < ashleah> oh
22:04 < sibiria> you use a, d, e, f, etc.
22:04 < sibiria> b and c are "special cases"
22:04 < ashleah> oh I knew about c, but not b
22:04 < ashleah> thanks
22:06 < ashleah> sibiria: I get the same error for sd1d
22:07 < sibiria> just to make sure it's not a doas config hiccup, just su to root and try from there
22:08 < sibiria> su -l
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22:09 < ashleah> nope, same thing
22:09 < ashleah> fwiw ls -l also doesn't report their sizes
22:09 < sibiria> is the partition set-up correctly with fdisk, before you made labels? what does the label look like?
22:10 < sibiria> perhaps you could pastebin the output from "fdisk sd1" and "disklabel -n sd1"
22:13 < ashleah> sibiria: https://clbin.com/0uz7n
22:13 < ashleah> sibiria: https://clbin.com/KdRrN
22:13 < ashleah> respectively
22:13 < ashleah> is "unknown" the right fstype?
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22:16 < sibiria> no, should be 4.2BSD
22:16 < sibiria> the partition itself is fine, but those three labels are not
22:16 < ashleah> ohh
22:17 < sibiria> "a" being swap seems a bit iffy, too
22:17 < ashleah> sibiria: that was for a test, it's not being used for anything right now, but thanks for the heads up
22:18 < ashleah> sibiria: I set them all to 4.2BSD but I still get the same error
22:18 < ashleah> can't determine size of partition
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22:28 < sibiria> what does the label looks like now then?
22:29 < sibiria> the labels*
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22:31 < darwin> i was hoping for OpenBSD UNIX 7.5 torrent! :O
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22:32 < darwin> when I started using *BSD (even NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD) it was still called UNIX in official documentation and I use nntp:comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.* so that's what I call it
22:32 < sibiria> ashleah: example of a "healthy" set of labels: https://dpaste.org/D9RYp/raw
22:35 < oldlaptop> I don't think there's ever been much interest from developers/mirror operators in offering torrents. OpenBSD installation media are all pretty small files, and realistically how much seeding by not-mirrors would there even be to take load off of normal mirrors?
22:35 < oldlaptop> "pretty small" by today's standards, anyway, or compared to most Linuxes that at *least* figure out how to fill a CD or three, and more commonly fill at least one DVD
22:39 < darwin> there is one guy involved with *BSD who does an OpenBSD torrent but the current one is broken :(
22:40 < darwin> in the past it always matched the official md5sum or whatever
22:41 < pardis> the only reason to provide a torrent is to help the project by taking load off its mirrors
22:41 < pardis> it provides no direct benefit to users
22:41 < pardis> seems odd for a user to want one
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23:08 < ashleah> excuse me, I had to go see a man about a horse
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23:09 < ashleah> sibiria: │https://clbin.com/SOheg
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23:10 < ashleah> that's pretty much what they look like
23:10 < ashleah> are you sure the fstype has to be 4.2BSD if I'm not going to format it with a 4.2BSD filesystem?
23:10 < ashleah> I want to reiterate that part just to be clear
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23:20 < sibiria> no, it does not. what fs do you intend?
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23:22 < ashleah> sibiria: venti, which runs as a userspace process
23:23 < ashleah> and afaik does not have a specific fstype
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23:24 < ashleah> (from plan9port)
23:25 < pardis> ashleah: you might need to use /dev/rsd1b instead of /dev/sd1b
23:25 < pardis> or whatever partition you ended up with
23:25 < pardis> there's no technical reason not to use b if it's not on your root disk, it's just a weird choice
23:25 < sibiria> ashleah: leave it as unknown then
23:26 < pardis> the use of it for swap is a convention, not a rule
23:26 < sibiria> and yeah you may need to adress the label via the raw block device node for this
23:28 < ashleah> oh I see
23:28 < ashleah> I didn't know there was a difference
23:29 < ashleah> "venti/fmtbloom: can't open partition /dev/rsd1d: can't determine size of partition /dev/rsd1d"
23:29 < ashleah> I think venti expects to be able to fstat the file to obtain the size?
23:30 < ashleah> maybe it's worth noting that I'm running this under plan9ports's rc shell, because otherwise the executable can't be found, but that shouldn't be relevant
23:30 < ashleah> it is fully privileged
23:30 < sibiria> userspace file systems can be a bit tricky. you can use the virtual node driver if you ever need to experiment with something safely instead of on a medium that may have data at risk
23:31 < ashleah> no data at risk, it's a clean disk
23:35 < sibiria> is it expecting an MBR or GPT maybe?
23:35 < ashleah> and besides newfs runs as a userspace process too, no?
23:35 < ashleah> sibiria: I don't think so
23:35 < ashleah> it should just expect a writeable file
23:35 < ashleah> I think
23:37 < ashleah> sibiria: I just created a test image with "dd if=/dev/zero of=test bs=1M count=64" and "venti/fmtbloom test" runs just fine
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23:38 < ashleah> I mean, I guess I could format a single big partition with an openbsd filesystem, and then make a few big files filled with zeros for all the different partitions venti needs
23:38 < pardis> plan9 has a better file-like abstraction for disks than unix
23:38 < pardis> so unix might be falling short of its expectations
23:38 < ashleah> thereby using the filesystem underneath as a sort of glorified block allocation layer, which is kinda ugly but works I guess
23:38 < ashleah> pardis: yeah that makes sense
23:39 < ashleah> so it's probably not an OpenBSD problem after all, but a plan9port one
23:40 < sibiria> well that's a significant difference that wasn't clear
23:40 < sibiria> you can't stat a device node in the same way
23:40 < ashleah> sibiria: it wasn't clear to me either
23:40 < ashleah> I mean that was just an assumption anyway, I haven't read the venti source
23:41 < ashleah> but plan9port nominally supports openbsd
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