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14:31 < GnarledHorn> I'd like to share with the group that I've got some operations research tools running on OpenBSD -> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=171803440524955&w=2
14:32 < GnarledHorn> I hope we will see a pip package for Google's `ortools` in the coming days
14:33 < dfdx> GnarledHorn: very interesting. thank you.
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16:24 < morpho> does shared memory work between unrelated processes?
16:25 < morpho> https://man.openbsd.org/shm_open.3 
16:25 < __gilles> yes
16:26 < __gilles> I haven't seen a legitimate use of shm for over two decades
16:26 < __gilles> :p
16:26 < morpho> and does the path have to belong to a real file?
16:27 < thrig> maybe some databases use shm? but I tend not to run those, or look into how the sausage is made
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16:28 < morpho> im writing a debugger, so I have written hooks into a few functions and am trying to share memory between debugger/debuggee.
16:28 < __gilles> ok
16:29 < __gilles> iirc the file has to exist and must be openable by both processes
16:29 < __gilles> but you're better off reading the man page and trying
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16:31 < __gilles> I don't recall having used shm when writing a debugger
16:31 < oldlaptop> sqlite will do shm in WAL mode (the main purpose of which is to permit a writer to proceed concurrently with readers)
16:31 < __gilles> :-|
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16:31 < oldlaptop> the thing about a debugger is that it's *inspecting* a debug-ee that is unaware of it
16:32 < oldlaptop> two processes using shared memory both know what they're doing
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16:32 < __gilles> yeah
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16:34 < morpho> im injecting the code to start shared memory, so i dont have to recompile the debug-ee to use it
16:34 < oldlaptop> (continuing off the sqlite example: sure, if you open up FooApp's WAL-mode database in the sqlite command shell, those processes are unrelated in a meaningful sense... but they're both very deliberately using shared memory to communicate with each other, and are 'aware' of the dynamic)
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17:16 < andrei_n> Hello.  What does it mean to learn OpenBSD?  What skills and knowledge are trained / improved if one learns OpenBSD?
17:17 < Bradipo> Depends on how one approaches OpenBSD.
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17:18 < thrig> presumably you have an AI operate and run BSD for you, which frees up your time to manage the AI
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17:18 < remiliascarlet> "What does it mean to learn OpenBSD?" It means that you know yet another operating system. "What skills and knowledge are trained / improved if one learns OpenBSD?" Plenty. How to set up a secure web, mail, proxy, or other server, firewall, load balancer, or some other server. How to code in C more properly. How to actually care about system resources.
17:19 < Bradipo> Haha, ain't that the truth.  The more we invent software to "make our lives easier" the more we spend time on making the software make our lives easier; never accomplishing the goal.
17:19 < thrig> xkcd://1319
17:20 < andrei_n> I know a little bit of Linux.  But now I think that if I approach it from that perspective I won't learn anything.  So I would like to know where to start and what to expect...
17:20 < thrig> you start with the installer. you expect the spanish inquisition
17:20 < Bradipo> If all you ever do with Linux is login to the UI and click on things, you haven't learned much.
17:21 < remiliascarlet> People back in the 20th century didn't have any "make life easier" tools, yet they were a lot more productive than people are today with a lot better hardware and a lot more "make life easier" tools available.
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17:22 < remiliascarlet> andrei_n: "So I would like to know where to start" Just install it on some unused hardware or in a VM, and play around with it. Read the OpenBSD FAQ while doing so to learn more about it. It's actually leaps easier than learning Linux, since all the information you need is in 1 place, rather than scattered around the entire internet.
17:23 < andrei_n> Bradipo, yeah, I know.  I almost know nothing...  By the way I've already tried OpenBSD 3 years ago, and that's how I know that simply installing does not mean that you will learn anything.
17:23 < thrig> they didn't have the cognitive vampire known as the smartphone
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17:24 < remiliascarlet> Smartphones turn you into a zombie.
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17:25 < remiliascarlet> andrei_n: "that's how I know that simply installing does not mean that you will learn anything." Oh yes you do, depends on your definition of "trying". Because if you just install it once, run "ls" a few times, and abandon it, then sure you will learn nothing.
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17:26 < remiliascarlet> In order to truly learn a new OS is to actually daily drive it for a least some amount of time.
17:26 < thrig> 20 years or so
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17:30 < andrei_n> Do you think starting with a book is a good idea?
17:31 < remiliascarlet> No.
17:31 < remiliascarlet> Daily driving the OS you try to learn is always the best way.
17:32 < andrei_n> So let's say I install it in an emulator.  What would be a good road map to learn it?  Doing some tasks, coding, or what?
17:32 < thrig> viking swiming lessons! toss them into the water!
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17:34 < remiliascarlet> andrei_n: That would be a better idea, yes. Until you find yourself abandoning the emulator. As for a road map, simply use it and pick up new things along the way. And use https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ as a companion guide when you get stuck.
17:35 < remiliascarlet> My most valuable leason when I switched from Linux to OpenBSD was to stop using search engines for OpenBSD related problems, because most solutions are going to be (heavily) outdated, and the FAQ gets updated as soon as the developers change things.
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17:40 < Bradipo> andrei_n: My answer to your question is the same for anything.  If you want to *learn* it, you must *do* it.
17:41 < Bradipo> Put OpenBSD on your desktop, or your laptop, don't use anything else for months.
17:41 < Bradipo> Then you can confidently claim that you've actually *learned* something about it.
17:42 < Bradipo> Use it until it becomes second nature to whip out one-liner scripts to accomplish whatever task you have in mind.
17:42 < Bradipo> If you still have a heavy reliance on the UI, you haven't learned much.
17:43 < sysfu> I'm trying to configure mariadb for a wordpress web installation. Having an issue where the mysql.sock file does not appear when the service is started.
17:43 < remiliascarlet> And this works for everything. Want to learn a new language? Speaking it exclusively for a while, listen to it exclusively for a while, read in it exclusively for a while. Want to learn how to swim? Jump in the water and move!
17:43 < Bradipo> That's not to say that you should expect to do CAD on the command-line.
17:43 < sysfu> I created a directory for the sock file per the pkg-readme install -d -m 0711 -o _mysql -g _mysql /var/www/var/run/mysql
17:43 < remiliascarlet> The human brain really does such great wonders that barely anyone even realizes it.
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17:44 < sysfu> and then I added the socket path to /etc/my.cnf under client and server sections like so socket = /var/www/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock
17:44 < sysfu> Yes when I start the service with rcctl start mysqld the sock file does not appear.
17:45 < Bradipo> I haven't looked, but is there a pkg-readme for it?
17:45 < Bradipo> Oh, you said you consulted the pkg-readme...
17:46 < sysfu> yes, that's what I'm following.
17:46 < remiliascarlet> sysfu: Did you run `mariadb-secure-installation` after installation?
17:46 < sysfu> remiliascarlet, no, not yet.
17:47 < remiliascarlet> This is part of installing MariaDB/MySQL on any OS.
17:47 < andrei_n> Bradipo, what do you mean by UI?
17:47 < remiliascarlet> Often resolves the most basic issues.
17:47 < sysfu> When I do run it, it complains that it can't connect to /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock, which is the wrong dir
17:48 < remiliascarlet> First of all, if you do "doas /var/run/mysql/", does anything exist there?
17:48 < sibiria> sysfu: and what did you configure in /etc/my.cnf?
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17:48 < sibiria> you need to specify the path of your socket if you want something besides the default
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17:49 < remiliascarlet> sibiria: "│02:44:21          sysfu | and then I added the socket path to /etc/my.cnf under client and server sections like so socket = /var/www/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock"
17:49 < sysfu> my.cnf file contents https://snips.sh/f/wbeOswlasV
17:49 < sibiria> also, your permissions will only allow user/group _mysql to access that socket, but you are probably running the installation script as something else (something non-root)
17:50 < sysfu> I'm running install script as root user
17:52 < sysfu> environment is obsd 7.5 and mariadb-server 10.9.6v1
17:52 < sibiria> i'd try commenting it or set it to the default and take it from there, before moving the socket path
17:53 < sibiria> just to get the user table set-up first
17:53 < sysfu> remiliascarlet, directory /var/run/mysql does not exist
17:53 < sibiria> restore the socket option under client-server stanza, restart mariadb, then run the install script
17:54 < sysfu> sibiria, ok, will do.
17:56 < sysfu> restarting mysqld with default my.cnf did create /var/run/mysql/mysql.sock file
17:56 < sysfu> and I was able to complete the secure-installation
17:56 < MiniontobyPI> hackfoo: But when I add an `config address <ipv4>/32` to my ipv6 initiator config, then it keeps reconnecting and then eventauualy my server just crashes
17:59 < sibiria> then stop mariadb, make sure the local var/run/mysql/ dir inside /var/www holds same ownership and permission as that of /var/run/mysql/, and restart with your new socket path in /etc/my.cnf
18:00 < sysfu> yeah, it's got to be some permissions issue with the /var/www/var/run/mysql path.
18:00 < hackfoo> MiniontobyPI: I'd need to see the full config to understand the issue.
18:05 < MiniontobyPI> hackfoo: https://pastebin.com/6m8KgPJQ
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18:09 < MiniontobyPI> But yeah it just keeps on connecting and because it doesn't seem to remove the old SA's, it keeps on making more and then I get like an "out of space: kmem_map" or something
18:11 < hackfoo> My familiarity with iked is meh at best, so I'm learning from the docs at the moment.
18:12 < MiniontobyPI> Oke, but you said you have an ikev2 remote access setup which gives ipv4 and ipv6... Did you not do that using openiked?
18:13 < hackfoo> strongswan.
18:13 < MiniontobyPI> Ohh
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18:14 < hackfoo> Only due to inertia, though. It's what I knew well, so I continued.
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18:14 < sysfu> sibiria, I'm copy pasting the install command from the pkg-readme, that should properly set all the directory path ownership and perms, yet it's still not working.
18:14 < sysfu> So i'm at a loss.
18:15 < MiniontobyPI> Oke
18:16 < hackfoo> MiniontobyPI: So you're getting so many SAs that you're getting that error. SAs should time out under the default config after 3 hours, and I don't see anything overriding that in the config you showed me.
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18:16 < MiniontobyPI> Hmm yeah but it is like somehting goes wrong when I add the ipv4 address
18:17 < MiniontobyPI> and then it reconnects
18:17 < MiniontobyPI> and then again goes wrong and reconnects... etc
18:17 < sysfu> sibiria, I'm looking at the perms and owners of both dirs and they are an exact match:
18:18 < hackfoo> MiniontobyPI: The v4 address you're using, is it a public address, or a private one?
18:18 < sibiria> sysfu: you're not confusing /var/www/run and /var/www/var/run?
18:18 < hackfoo> Assuming private, but you never know.
18:18 < sysfu> No, see this https://bpa.st/OG4A
18:19 < sibiria> i'd use the former
18:19 < sysfu> the pkg-readme says to use the latter
18:19 < sibiria> for the record, changing the path works just fine for me. i'm on 7.4, though
18:20 < sysfu> I tried to start mysqld with rcctl -d option but it doesn't give me any errors.
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18:21 < sibiria> also, i use the client-server stanza
18:21 < sibiria> should not matter as long as you define the same in both server _and_ client, as an alternative
18:21 < sysfu> sibiria, that's the stanza I'm using, as I saw the secure-installation script put it there.
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18:23 < sysfu> I figure it out! 
18:23 < MiniontobyPI> hackfoo: it is a public one, but bgp is not yet configurated correctly
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18:23 < sysfu> I changed ownership of the two subdirs, var/run just below mysql/mysql.sock to _mysql:_mysql and it's working now.
18:24 < sibiria> that...should not be needed :)
18:24 < MiniontobyPI> With `iked -dv` I see like "send CREATE_CHILD_SA req 6 ", then "recv CREATE_CHILD_SA res 6 " and then "ikev2_childsa_enable: loaded SPIs:". And then it repeats with the res number one up
18:24 < MiniontobyPI> hackfoo:
18:24 < sysfu> thank you sibiria and remilascarlet for your help.
18:24 < hackfoo> MiniontobyPI: We've exceeded my experience, here. I've never dealt with public IPs and BGP in the mix. :(
18:24 < sibiria> root:wheel 755 should suffice for var-run...evidently, as is the default
18:24 < sibiria> but glad you got it running all the same
18:25 < MiniontobyPI> Nah
18:25 < MiniontobyPI> it is public ip subnet
18:25 < MiniontobyPI> but you cannot reach it yet
18:25 < MiniontobyPI> because BGP stuff is not set up correctly yet
18:25 < MiniontobyPI> hackfoo: ^^ So basicly only public ips
18:26 < sysfu> sibiria, if /var/www/var is owned by root:daemon (as all the other files and dir in /var/www are) it fails.
18:27 < sibiria> sysfu: /var/www/var should be owned by root:wheel
18:27 < MiniontobyPI> Or is it like you can only get one ip address...
18:28 < sysfu> sibiria, let me test that, one sec.
18:28 < sibiria> that tree should be an identical copy to /var/run/
18:28 < sysfu> nope, with root:wheel ownership of /var/www/var sock file fails to appear.
18:29 < sysfu> only when /var/www/var is owned by _mysql:_mysql does it appear to allow creation of mysql.sock
18:29 < sibiria> it's possible something changed between 7.4 and 7.5, but i suspect not
18:29 < sysfu> This is a fresh 7.5 install
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18:30 < sibiria> openbsd's /var/run is root:wheel 711 (both parts of the path)
18:30 < hackfoo> MiniontobyPI: With the ipv4 config you have in there, you're only allowing a single public ip. /32 will do that.
18:30 < sibiria> 755*
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18:31 < sysfu> Let my try that and restart mysqld
18:32 < sysfu> that was it.
18:32 < sysfu> should I make /var/www/var/run same owners and perms?
18:32 < MiniontobyPI> Yeah
18:32 < MiniontobyPI> but it doesn't work
18:33 < sibiria> sysfu: i made the "local" var/run/mysql an identical copy to default /var/run/mysql. identical on all three components of the path. it worked just fine
18:33 < sibiria> root:wheel 755 for var and run, _mysql:_mysql 711 for mysql/
18:33 < MiniontobyPI> btw before each new CREATE_CHILD_SA i get this: "config_free_proposals: free 0x56"
18:33 < MiniontobyPI> (btw it is not specificaly 0x56, but there is more behind that)
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18:35 < MiniontobyPI> "proposals_negotiate: score 3"
18:35 < sysfu> sibira, that did the trick, thank you.
18:35 < sibiria> glad it's working
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18:36 < MiniontobyPI> ikev2_child_sa_acquire: found active flow
18:36 < MiniontobyPI> ikev2_send_create_child_sa: creating new CHILD SAs
18:36 < MiniontobyPI> hmmm
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18:41 < MiniontobyPI> I just dont get it
18:47 < MiniontobyPI> Oh wait
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18:48 < MiniontobyPI> When using a 10.0.5.0/24 subnet it works
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18:49 < MiniontobyPI> Oh and when using my public subnet with an /24 then it works
18:50 < MiniontobyPI> But I need to assign static ip
18:50 < MiniontobyPI> remotely
18:54 < andrei_n> So I tried to boot from the floppy...  Is it supposed to be slow?  It took several minutes...
18:57 < MiniontobyPI> Hmm I think i found my mistake
18:57 < MiniontobyPI> it seems like I am unable to assign .1 of my subnet to the machine
18:58 < sibiria> andrei_n: from floppy?!
18:58 < sibiria> are you running on an old P3 or something
18:59 < andrei_n> sibiria, yes.  I downloaded then I dd'd.  And booted.
19:00 < andrei_n> I have an external drive
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