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00:45 < seninha> hi, how many GB takes meta/kde, meta/kde-plasma and meta/kde-plasma-extras install?
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00:46 < seninha> (btw, how can I get the installation size before adding a package?)
00:47 < thrig> man pkg_info | grep size
00:49 < seninha> thnx
00:51 < seninha> ...it does not adds size for dependencies only the package size (which for a meta-package means nothing)
00:52 < Lucas> I believe there is pkg_add -s
00:52 < Lucas> yes, that's the option
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01:59 < polarian> hm I am not sure if this is working correct
01:59 < polarian> if I do: pass on $interface inet6
02:00 < polarian> is this the same as:
02:00 < polarian> pass in on $interface
02:00 < polarian> pass out on $interface
02:00 < polarian> I assume yes, so what about if I do: pass on { $iface0, $iface1 } inet6 
02:01 < polarian> would this be the same as passing in on both and passing out on both, aka traffic can flow from one to the other, freely?
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02:02 < polarian> wait I am dumb, I can see what it expands out to with pfctl -sr 
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02:05 < dlg> yep
02:06 < polarian> hm I am not sure this is doing what I want though 
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02:07 < polarian> I am currently not doing any filtering router side for IPv6... each device has its own firewall to block in... or allow in on certain ports... so passing on all the interfaces should freely pass traffic around?
02:07 < polarian> but with an nmap on my xmpp server returns all ports closed... so the router must be dropping the packets 
02:07 < polarian> it worked before I changed the pf.conf :P
02:08 < lts> You can troubleshoot with tcpdump(8). See "man pflogd" for examples
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02:08 < polarian> ah a skill I should definitely learn 
02:08 < polarian> thanks :)
02:09 < polarian> pflogd tells you what it drops?
02:09 < polarian> if you do block log
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02:09 < lts> If you include the "log" in pf.conf, yes
02:09 < lts> For the rule you want to troubleshoot
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02:11 < polarian> well according to tcpdump the packets are passing freely
02:11 < polarian> weird.
02:11 < polarian> probably best not to do this half asleep :P
02:11 < polarian> thanks for the tips though :)
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02:59 < mystic> hello, anyone know how to install python packages with pip but in home directory ? Usually the command is: "pip3 install --user my_package" .... but now it seems broken. 
03:02 < mischief> try pipx
03:02 < mystic> it seems that the pip environment is blocked by pkg_add because of conflicting packages installation. But if I install the package in the $HOME directoyr there shouldn't any problem about conflicting packages
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03:17 < mystic> unfortunately pipx doesn't compile the tool I need.. I also tried different version.. :-(
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07:46 < anon11> uwharrie: Thanks, the issue was me forgetting the capital R
07:50 < anon11> mystic: Make a venv and install it there. 
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07:56 < anon11> Here I made some almost copy paste instructions. Note that step 2 the . is followed by a whitespace
07:57 < anon11> https://clbin.com/pfUmx
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07:57 < anon11> Or try to install py3-PipPackage
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11:26 < remiliascarlet> Anyone know where OpenBSD puts glibconfig.h after installing glib2?
11:29 < xse> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/devel/glib2/pkg/PLIST#L349
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11:32 < xse> adding /usr/local before that
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11:33 < remiliascarlet> Goddamn, what a horrible place to store header files in!
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11:33 < xse> hehe, all packages go there iirc
11:34 < remiliascarlet> I'm not talking about /usr/local, I mean /usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include.
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11:52 < xse> aw :p pkg_info also can also show that same file list with -v (or is it -vv -vvv i don't remember)
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13:03 < piruel> Hello
13:03 < piruel> Have anyone here installed openbsd 7.5 on odroid h4+ with nvme please?
13:03 < piruel> I tried the installation, the installation goes well but when booting I have a bug
13:04 < piruel> I tried with 7.5 stable and current
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13:08 < sibiria> i use nvme on the h3. make sure you disable CSM and Secure Boot
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13:08 < sibiria> also make sure you set the correct boot order
13:09 < sibiria> and, when installing with UEFI/GPT, remember to _not_ remove the ESP (also known as the "i" disk label) because that's where the openbsd efi boot application is
13:12 < piruel> sibiria secure boot is already disabled but what is CSM please ?
13:13 < sibiria> bios backwards compatibility mode
13:13 < sibiria> it's what places your hardware into legacy "bios mode" instead of pure efi mode
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13:40 < piruel> sibiria I have still the bug :(
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13:40 < piruel> It's possible to my nvme is too recent for openbsd 7.5 ?
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13:42 < sibiria> no, or you could not find it during installation
13:42 < sibiria> the problem is likely how you have installed and set-up the partitions and disk labels
13:42 < piruel> ok
13:43 < piruel> when I choose partitionning, I must choose GPT right ?
13:43 < sibiria> yes, go with GPT
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13:44 < piruel> I use auto layout right ?
13:44 < sibiria> sure, it works good enough for testing
13:44 < piruel> installing sets
13:45 < piruel> Relinking to create unique kernel
13:46 < piruel> rebooting
13:46 < piruel> boot order, I choose UEFI OS
13:46 < piruel> (my openbsd installation)
13:46 < piruel> boot >
13:46 < piruel> and bug :(
13:46 < sibiria> what is "bug"?
13:47 < piruel> wait I take a photo
13:49 < piruel> sibiria https://ibb.co/Z6yKJZc
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13:50 < piruel> and my keyboard is freeze
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13:53 < sibiria> i have no idea what's going on there. i don't think it's an NVMe problem. looks like some ACPI hiccup
13:53 < sibiria> you could try the other way - enable CSM again, install as if it were a "BIOS" computer, with MBR
13:54 < piruel> in odroid h4 I have not CSM :(
13:54 < sibiria> you have nothing called "compatibility support module"?
13:54 < piruel> not found not
13:54 < piruel> in your h3 where is it on bios ?
13:54 < piruel> wich section ?
13:55 < sibiria> should be either in advanced or somewhere in boot. i can't check, because my h3 is server/router. i cannot reboot it
13:55 < piruel> ah yes
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14:08 < sibiria> there are possibly a few other settings (some cpu-related) you may need to tune as well. stupid things like intel AMT/ME/SGX and such that may be enabled
14:09 < sibiria> unfortunately i have no overview for the BIOS/EFI option tree. hardkernel does not publish such
14:14 < piruel> I may be the first person in the world to install openbsd on an odroid h4 ultra :D
14:14 < IcePic> dont forget to send dmesgs
14:14 < sibiria> piruel: it's not impossible!
14:14 < IcePic> mail to dmesg@openbsd.org and optionally also to https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=index 
14:14 < sibiria> h4 series is brand new
14:15 < piruel> yes
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14:16 < piruel> IcePic I can't send my dmesg, openbsd boot and bug, my keyboard is freeze
14:17 < sibiria> i'm convinced the problem is your UEFI settings, maybe something related to how you install. i'm sorry i cannot help more since my h3 is "inaccessible"
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14:18 < piruel> yes possible :(
14:19 < IcePic> piruel: ..as soon as possible then. 
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14:19 < sibiria> if you enter advanced->acpi, what do you have there?
14:20 < sibiria> and if you enter NVMe config, do you have anything to switch between RAID/AHCI mode?
14:21 < piruel> in acpi : "enable ACPI auto configuration > Disabled"
14:21 < piruel> enable hibernation > enabled
14:21 < piruel> acpi sleep state > s3 (suspend to ram)
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14:21 < piruel> that's all
14:21 < sibiria> i'd enable ACPI auto config
14:22 < piruel> ok
14:22 < piruel> I'm checking nvme config
14:23 < piruel> it's just for make tests
14:23 < piruel> Selft test option
14:23 < sibiria> in advanced i recall something called "chipset config" which had a switch between "windows os / linux os". if that's still around on h4 i would switch it to linux
14:24 < thrig> didn't openbsd switch to "fake ourself as windows" due to acpi problems
14:24 < sibiria> *shrug*.. if it did, maybe switch it to "windows" in case it's linux :)
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14:25 < sibiria> the kernel panic you showed suggests it's something ACPI related...and unfortunately that's a huge can of worms spanning a lot of potential areas
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14:34 < thrig> "but basically every OS claims to be Windows now" somewhere in https://jcs.org/2019/07/28/ihidev
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14:38 < jcs> that guy doesn't know what he's talking about
14:38 < sibiria> and it's also 5 years ago, which in internet time is like 20 years, so exactly anything could have changed since
14:39 < rnelson> 5 years ago was The Before Time, pre-'rona. Even in real time that feels like 20 years at this point.
14:46 < piruel> s
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15:27 < martian67> sibiria: it hasn’t changed, acpi tables are often completely broken if you claim to not be windows
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16:06  * oldlaptop is reminded of all browsers everywhere claiming to be Mozilla
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16:09 < thrig> not mine!
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16:11 < jcs> that one is actually in the spec
16:12 < jcs> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/system-state.html#client-identification
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16:14 < oldlaptop> "The user agent has a navigator compatibility mode, which is either Chrome, Gecko, or WebKit." is the most infuriating thing I've seen in a "spec" for a long time
16:15 < jcs> but yes, openbsd claims to be windows in acpi, as does linux
16:16 < jcs> back when linux claimed to be linux, vendors started putting in linux-specific "fixes" to work around bugs, but then the bugs got fixed in linux and the vendors would never remove the workarounds
16:17 < oldlaptop> presumably if they ever did, nobody would ever install the firmware update either
16:17 < jcs> and when vendors would just take DSDT code from their other products, they wouldn't test the linux path very well so it was just a shitshow
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16:34 < remiliascarlet> jcs: If memory serves me well, OpenBSD claims to be Unix.
16:35 < thrig> hasn't paid for the label, according to one definition (Apple did, at one point)
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16:36 < Bradipo> But aren't we talking about ACPI?
16:36 < remiliascarlet> Labels are for idiots.
16:37 < eea>  The OpenBSD project produces a FREE, multi-platform 4.4BSD-based UNIX-like operating system.
16:37 < anexit> is there a secure level that prevent password change at boot in single user mode?
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16:38 < remiliascarlet> Probably not, because that's the whole point of single user mode: to get into the system in case you got locked out from it.
16:39 < anexit> yeah
16:39 < remiliascarlet> And get yourself unlocked out again.
16:39 < anexit> Suppose it wouldn't matter at that point
16:39 < anexit> someone has physical access
16:39 < anexit> I get it
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16:39 < remiliascarlet> Just make sure your laptop won't get stolen.
16:39 < anexit> yeah
16:40 < sibiria> use FDE
16:40 < remiliascarlet> Here in Japan it's easy: nobody will steal it.
16:40 < anexit> can't run away from an island
16:40 < anexit> haha
16:40 < remiliascarlet> But the island is pretty big.
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16:41 < thrig> islands
16:41 < Bradipo> Nobody will steal it due to the people's innate respect for other people and their property?  Or nobody will steal it because of authoritarian rule?
16:41 < remiliascarlet> I was referring to the main island (honshu), where most of us live on anyway.
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16:42 < anexit> they have samurai
16:42 < remiliascarlet> Kinda both.
16:42 < Bradipo> And Samurai have no use for laptops.
16:42 < remiliascarlet> We respect other people's personal belongings, and you really don't want to end up in a Japanese prison.
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16:43 < anexit> haha
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16:44 < remiliascarlet> In some of the western European countries, prison can be like a luxerous hotel you don't have to pay anything for. But here it's even worse than the deepest levels of hell.
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16:45 < Bradipo> Still, you should probably use FDE if you have anything worth protecting on the laptop.
16:45 < Bradipo> Of course that may just be a minor stumbling block.  I don't really know for a fact that FDE is unbreakable.
16:46 < sibiria> the encryption itself is solid. but there's no protection against "evil maid" trickery for example
16:46 < remiliascarlet> What is FDE? Fucking Desktop Environment?
16:46 < sibiria> full-disk encryption
16:46 < remiliascarlet> Ah.
16:46 < Bradipo> Full Disk Encryption (e.g. softraid with Crypto discipline).
16:47 < anexit> it should be an option starting 7.5
16:47 < anexit> during install
16:47 < remiliascarlet> What's safer is to physically shred the SSD.
16:47 < Bradipo> Well, this would render your laptop unuseable.
16:47 < remiliascarlet> Yeah.
16:47 < thrig> you could also toss it into mount doom
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17:57 < dfdx> is there a list of all system daemons in base? e.g., httpd, sshd, etc.
17:57 < phy1729> ls /etc/rc.d/   should be a decent start
17:58 < dfdx> ooohh, yes. thanks.
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20:09 < echelon> hi
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20:10 < devnull> hi echelon :)
20:10 < echelon> i'm running cwm and i have firefox running full screen, i can bring up other terminals, but i can't seem to have all terminals on the foreground
20:11 < echelon> like, i can only have 1 terminal at a time
20:11 < echelon> is there a way to lock individual terminals to the foreground
20:13 < thrig> put them in a group and foreground the group
20:13 < echelon> you can do that?
20:15 < thrig> I can.
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