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00:22 < mystic> I tried to make an alias on the IF and make a rule to rdr-to alias,  but even in this way does not work..
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04:36 < waks> Hi, I was curious what software is used to generate the views for the mirrors such as this site: https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/
04:37 < waks> I know you can do directory indexing in httpd but it looks different than this
04:38 < lts> The http response says "server: OpenBSD httpd" at least
04:39 < waks> Oh, weird. I wonder why it looks so different than mine why I try to do file indexing
04:40 < lts> There is some inline CSS in the page source
04:40 < lts> Perhaps that's the cause?
04:40 < waks> Yeah but on my site I also see some js that gets injected and even the structure of the HTML is different
04:42 < waks> I might be able to make it look the same with some CSS changes though, I did find how to do that in the manual
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04:46 < jordanreger> waks: are you on latest? i noticed the same thing - had a 7.3 box and upgraded to 7.5 and noticed the httpd styles were different
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06:14 < moviuro> thanks sibiria , this works, but only for inet. I have a similar rule for inet6 and it seems I can't use both at once? pass  in quick log on $in_phy_if proto tcp to ! (self:network) port www divert-to $iot_if port 8080 #becomes# @102 pass in log quick on em0 inet proto tcp from any to ! (self:network:*) port = 80 flags S/SA divert-to 10.207.51.1 port 8080 --- nb: only `inet`
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06:26 < moviuro> I have a second issue now that pf.conf(5) is ok: how can I set relayd(8) to listen on all addresses on an interface (vlan51, aka $iot_if)? The tricky part is that IPv6 prefixes are not guaranteed to be stable. I'd like something like "listen on * port 8080 interface vlan51" or "listen on vlan51" (which aren't supported AFAICT). Could another option be using lo0's addresses? (127.0.0.1,
06:26 < moviuro> fe80::1%lo0, which are ~guaranteed to exist, and use those as targets for divert-to in pf.conf(5))
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06:31 < IcePic> moviuro: if $iot_if expands to a v4 ip, then it would be correct for pf to make it a v4 rule
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06:32 < moviuro> IcePic: $iot_if has both ipv4 and ipv6
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08:10 < thyssentishman> I'm trying to set up wordpress on openbsd by following this blog post: https://jamsek.dev/posts/2018/Mar/01/openbsd-web-server-with-httpd-mariadb-php-and-wordpress/#database-installation
08:11 < thyssentishman> the blog suggests to put the export MYSQL_HISTFILE=/dev/null inside /etc/rc.conf.local
08:12 < thyssentishman> however I can't find anywere in the docs that this is allowed
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08:13 < thyssentishman> is this a proper way to export an evironment variable for the root user?
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08:13 < thyssentishman> or should it perhaps be exported from the root users ~/.profile?
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08:28 < karoryfer> It's probably referring to the /etc/rc.local file, not /etc/rc.conf.local.
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08:38 < thyssentishman> karoryfer: that makes sense
08:38 < thyssentishman> thanks :)
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09:33 < michel> ntpd.conf listen * 
09:33 < michel> pf is open to 123 
09:34 < michel> ntpdate -v IP from a client no server suitable to sync found 
09:35 < sibiria> moviuro: i don't think you can divert an ipv6 packet to an ipv4 address "just like that". it would require rewriting the source and other things in the packet, so that it fits ipv4 envelope. without thinking about it too much i'd say you need an ipv6 listener as well, and redirect ipv4/ipv6 families separately
09:35 < sibiria> that is, if you want to deal with ipv6 traffic on whatever service you have on localhost, it needs to be listening for ipv6 traffic to start with
09:35 < sibiria> you can't shoehorn all of it into an ipv4 socket
09:36 < moviuro> sibiria: I did that, but I'm pretty sure pf could do that on its own :) (interfaces have IPv6+IPv4 addresses)
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09:36 < sibiria> it can, but you're trying to divert ipv6 packet to ipv4 address
09:36 < sibiria> you can't do that without rewriting the entire packet
09:37 < moviuro> hmmm, no? pass  in quick log on $in_phy_if proto tcp to ! (self:network) port www divert-to $iot_if port 8080 # nothing about v4 or v6. Could be translated to cover both
09:37 < moviuro> (unless $iot_if, which is vlan51, actually means "IPv4 address non alias of vlan51")
09:37 < sibiria> that rule will expand to "inet" and "inet6". what does "pftctl -s rules" say?
09:38 < sibiria> and do you happen to multiple ipv6 addresses on "iot_if"?
09:39 < sibiria> happen to have*
09:39 < moviuro> pf.conf(5): pass  in quick log on $in_phy_if proto tcp to ! (self:network) port www divert-to $iot_if port 8080 --> pfctl -s rules|grep divert # pass in log quick on em0 inet proto tcp from any to ! (self:network) port = 80 flags S/SA divert-to 10.207.51.1 port 8080
09:40 < moviuro> sibiria: yes, as is normal with IPv6 (local-link fe80:... + global unique address 2a01:...)
09:40 < sibiria> i think that may be part of the problem. what happens if you duplicate the rule and have one specific inet and one specific inet6?
09:41 < moviuro> pass  in quick log on $in_phy_if inet6 proto tcp to ! (self:network) port www divert-to $iot_if port 8080 -> @103 pass in log quick on em0 inet6 proto tcp from any to ! (self:network:*) port = 80 flags S/SA divert-to fe80::... port 8080
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09:42 < sibiria> so there you go, a diversion to link-local if
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09:43 < sibiria> since it's an internal thing, it might be best to run the listeners on the loopback addresses
09:43 < sibiria> and redirect there statically
09:43 < sibiria> 127.0.0.1/::1
09:46 < moviuro> that works 👍️
09:47 < moviuro> only have to check that I break what I intend to break; and write a bit about that setup
09:48 < moviuro> relayd(8) complains however if I have `listen on fe80::.... port 8080 interface vlan51` in `relay httpproxy { }`
09:48 < moviuro> (syntax error)
09:49 < moviuro> so relays can't listen on specific link-local IPs on a specific interface
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09:50 < moviuro> which sounds like an oversight? vlan interfaces would have the same local-link (fe80) address, as they share the same MAC (by default)
09:51 < moviuro> ah well, using lo0's addresses is easy enough, and that machine is just a refurbished desktop running in my basement. As long as it runs and doesn't do anything too insane, I'm happy
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10:36 < andinus> does httpd default to serving files from /var/www/htdocs? i have only this server block: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/145a9e65/ and it's serving me localhost/kcaldav/home.html - but there is only cgi-bin/* location block, how is that possible?
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12:21 < anexit> Any tools out there to recover files on a crappy nvme?
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12:24 < GnarledHorn> andinus: did you `rcctl reload httpd` after making the change?
12:26 < andinus> yes i did, it seems to be serving root by default (root = /htdocs by default)
12:28 < GnarledHorn> That `httpd.conf` does not include anything that would cause it to serve kcaldav. Does `bgplg` get served as well? 
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12:41 < GnarledHorn> Had anyone here built software using simd instruction extensions in C++ ? I'm trying to get the latest numpy (v2.0.0) building on -current and running into problems building x86-simd-sort (https://github.com/intel/x86-simd-sort). The compilation errors indicate implicit instantiation of undefined template 'zmm_vector'. I've filed an issue with the project but I suspect it's an issue with my build environment
12:41 < GnarledHorn> Note that I'm compiling with clang. If I can't find a way forward, I'll try with gcc
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12:45 < remiliascarlet> I didn't. I've been doing C++ for a little bit for a video game recently, but soon after that I realized that everything I used C++ for can easily be done in C without the unnecessary headaches.
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13:15 < andinus> GnarledHorn: yes, bgplg gets served as well
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13:44 < echelon> anyone here use nomad?
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13:44 < Lucas> I did try to use it in OpenBSD once or twice
13:44 < Lucas> I think the reason it's ported is not for fully using it, but for controlling it
13:44 < Lucas> aka not using it as a runner
13:45 < echelon> oh
13:46 < echelon> so you can use it to orchestrate from openbsd, but there’s limitations on deploying on openbsd?
13:46 < Lucas> well, I did try it over 2 years ago
13:46 < Lucas> but at that time it was difficult to make anything run on it
13:46 < Lucas> give it a shot tho
13:46 < Lucas> things may have changed
13:47 < echelon> i may try it with something like unikraft
13:47 < echelon> does it leverage vmm?
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13:48 < Lucas> no
13:48 < Lucas> at least not with the default plugins
13:48 < Lucas> it runs directly in the machine
13:48 < Lucas> in fact, I believe the only backend that works is exec
13:49 < echelon> oh
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13:49 < Lucas> again, that was the situation when I gave it a shot a couple of yours ago
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13:49 < Lucas> nomad moves relatively fast
13:49 < Lucas> maybe things improved
13:50 < Lucas> in fact, lemme know how things go if you give it a shot. I might want to try it again.
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14:10 < zayd> this is probably a stupid question, but how would i go about properly changing what xenodm launches? i've tried changing the line that i think was starting fvwm to a few different window managers and i've tried making a ~/.xsession and it doesn't launch any of them, it just goes back to the login screen when i put in my passwd
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14:12 < SymbioticFemale> hey, not a high priority question, but just out of curiousity, does the project (or Theo, or anyone else on behalf of the project) own any trademarks? (such as on the term OpenBSD, or any of the slogans)
14:13 < oldlaptop> zayd: Your X session terminates when the X session script (such as ~/.xsession) does. What you're describing sounds as though either your window manager is terminating with an error, or you're perhaps trying to start it in the background or something.
14:14 < oldlaptop> Generally the "last line" should be either something to the effect of `exec your-favorite-wm` or `your-favorite-wm || xterm` (I would prefer the latter, for troubleshooting if the wm fails; some people are however annoyed by the shell process lying around)
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14:21 < zayd> oldlaptop: i set it to "exec startfluxbox" and that worked
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18:00 < GnarledHorn> for anyone curious about my simd question above, the library maintainers pointed me to some conditional compilation switches related to size_t, unsigned long, and unsigned long long being the same width on our beloved OpenBSD amd64
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18:13 < paulwalker> I have a three disk pc I want to use as a NAS, is it possible to have a raid1 and a raid5 partition on each of the disks?
18:16 < pardis> yes, but OpenBSD softraid sucks
18:17 < pardis> I would recommend hardware RAID for a NAS
18:17 < pardis> (or a different OS)
18:17 < paulwalker> It's i386 and netbsd doesn't work on it
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18:18 < jrmu> I don't think it's recommended to have multiple raid partitions on the same disk
18:18 < jrmu> it will slow down performance
18:18 < jrmu> what you say is possible though
18:18 < pardis> if you're using OpenBSD for a NAS, you probably don't care about performance anyway
18:19 < paulwalker> What 32bit OS should I use then?
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18:19 < jrmu> I used openbsd for RAID1/5, I wrote about it at https://wiki.ircnow.org/index.php?n=Softraid.Install
18:19 < jrmu> it works ok but I didn't combine multiple partitions on the same disk
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18:20 < pardis> I don't know, I haven't owned i386 hardware in a decade or so
18:20 < jrmu> I dedicated one disk per RAID partition
18:20 < pardis> if I had to use i386 for a NAS at gunpoint, I would probably install Linux
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18:20 < jrmu> it'll work ok on i386
18:20 < jrmu> (at least when I tried it a while ago)
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18:21 < paulwalker> I guess I'll benchmark both debian and openbsd in this config then
18:21 < paulwalker> I'll decide after that
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18:22 < sibiria> debian mdraid will be faster
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18:22 < paulwalker> does mdraid have raid5?
18:22 < sibiria> openbsd's softraid neither reads nor writes to softraided disk in parallel. it does so in serial. i/o performance drops almost linearly with the number of disks in the array
18:23 < sibiria> yes it does
18:23 < sibiria> and raid "10"
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18:23 < sibiria> also raid6
18:23 < paulwalker> I only have 3 disks
18:24 < paulwalker> I would have a dedicated boot disk, but I used all the sata ports
18:25 < sibiria> raid5 will be great in your case then i guess
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18:46 < fro> nope
18:48 < tux0r> /nope
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22:24 < zayd> am i doing something horribly wrong or is ~/.xsession prone to randomly getting cleared
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22:40 < thrig> nope
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22:41 < Bradipo> zayd: You're doing something wrong.
22:42 < zayd> i'm not doing anything weird with it, it's just that sometimes when i reboot the contents of the file vanish
22:42 < zayd> hold on
22:43 < zayd> i doubt it because i close mg first, but could it be because i sometimes hard reset the vm?
22:43 < thrig> not letting the filesystem do things might be bad
22:43 < thrig> or you can get some free lost+found practice in
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22:45 < zayd> i've never had that happen while screwing around with linux (usually btrfs or ext4) vms, does openbsd just do that differently?
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22:47 < Bradipo> Yanking the power out from underneath any computer is not generally a good idea.
22:47 < Bradipo> Unless the filesystems are mounted read-only.
22:49 < sibiria> zayd: are you running an older version of openbsd, and have softdeps enabled on the file systems?
22:50 < zayd> sibiria: i'm running 7.5
22:50 < zayd> i think that's current?
22:50 < sibiria> it is. then you should mostly have synchronous disk updates. but not shutting openbsd down gracefully can be problematic all the same
22:51 < pardis> softdep only affects file metadata
22:51 < pardis> if the file is being blanked, that's data
22:51 < sibiria> in practice, softdep results in tonnes of stuff ending up lost+found during unclean shutdown
22:52 < pardis> yes, but without softdep you just end up with synchronous metadata updates and possibly lost data
22:52 < pardis> it's a different kind of failure mode, but it doesn't stop the failure
22:52 < pardis> if you want to avoid failure, don't yank the power
22:52 < pardis> and yes, Linux does this differently because ext4 is a journaled filesystem, whereas ffs is not
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22:53 < pardis> see ext4(5) in Linux, which says that by default "All data  is  forced  directly out  to  the main file system prior to its metadata being committed to the journal."
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22:55 < pardis> though if this is a VM, you then *also* have to consider whether your VM software is flushing writes from the OS out to your host's filesystem properly
22:55 < pardis> if it isn't, that can compound any problems
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22:57 < pardis> (but if it's a VM, there is limited utility in running an X server at all, you can just ssh in from the host)
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23:05 < pardis> note that with what is described in that ext4 man page, uncleanly shutting down the VM is still not a good idea, the failure mode is just different again
23:05 < pardis> you won't get an empty file on Linux, but you might lose your most recent changes to the file
23:07 < Bradipo> Or if it's a new file, it will just disappear?
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23:08 < pardis> perhaps, depending on exactly what order things are done
23:08 < Bradipo> But the contents will be written so at least data recovery tools can find the chunks of data.
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23:18 < pardis> seems like a lot of effort to go through because you didn't feel like running 'halt -p'
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23:25 < vortexx> hilariously, FreeBSD in the latest released just enabled soft updates by default for UFS
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23:25 < vortexx> we'll see how well that works out over there
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23:32 < tommyrot> to me it seemed that the only reason it got axed was because it's too complicated to work around and it's hard to find anyone willing to dive into filesystem code as it is
23:32 < tommyrot> not because it was proven to be bad
23:32 < tommyrot> everyone and their dog recommended it
23:33 < sibiria> it only really made a dent in the sluggishness on busy file systems
23:34 < phy1729> tommyrot: Have you read the softdep paper? It's absolutely brilliant and impossible to do correctly unless you have all of the fs code in your head.
23:34 < sibiria> but it sure was noticable in those cases
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23:37 < tommyrot> i don't recall reading a complete paper on the subject, also too technical for me :)
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23:38 < tommyrot> still have some bookmarks around like https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=147547330824486&w=2 that made it seem like a bad idea
23:39 < tommyrot> speed was never a concern for me
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23:42 < pardis> I always used softdep on laptops (not always on servers) without incident since I started with OpenBSD in the 5.6 era
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23:42 < pardis> but I understand others have not been so lucky
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23:44 < oldlaptop> tommyrot: The general impression one gets from the outside is that maintenance is really, really impractical if you're not the guy who designed it.
23:44 < oldlaptop> (FreeBSD still has, AIUI, the guy who designed it, though I doubt he's getting any younger.)
23:46 < pardis> I'm sure he will in 2038
23:47 < FenderQ> :)
23:51 < sibiria> isn't zfs thoroughly implemented in freebsd's base system by now, and considered a stable option?
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23:52  * oldlaptop hasn't had reason to care about freebsd sysadmin matters for a long time
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23:53 < oldlaptop> doesn't zfs need, like, a whole giant honking pile of RAM or something?
23:53 < oldlaptop> such that it can't just be the blind default for everything everywhere
23:54 < pardis> probably also not a good choice for ARM boards with SD cards given its inclination to rewrite the entire metadata tree for every tiny change
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23:55 < oldlaptop> that is... arguably not good for most client/workstation applications now either (solid state storage being basically dominant on anything portable now)
23:55 < FenderQ> I am happy with the default FFS2 in OpenBSD
23:56 < vortexx> oldlaptop: it does but ram is abundant these days.
23:56 < vortexx> sibiria: yes
23:56 < vortexx> zfs is over 20 years old by now
23:56 < oldlaptop> ("arguably" because people argue over whether write endurance on SATA/NVMe/whatever SSDs generally matters. At the very least some of them are more fragile than others(?))
23:57 < oldlaptop> vortexx: maybe not so much on those ARM boards with SD cards
23:57 < zwr> vortexx: these days includes landisk for OpenBSD
23:58 < zwr> Illumos (fork of Solaris, I never used Solaris) doesn't run on machines with less than 2GB of RAM in the first place, but OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and NetBSD do
23:58 < oldlaptop> my original raspberrypi (256MiB) *is* a bit of an extreme case (do freebsd even support those?), but sub-1GiB isn't absurd in that context, let alone 2GiB or so
23:59 < oldlaptop> even "I want to install this on my random cheap laptop" can easily still be 2GiB or 4GiB
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