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03:27 < jrmu> is there a way for openbsd to offer usb tethering? I was looking at urndis(4) and it seems to be for receiving rather than providing
03:28 < dlg> you would need usb gadget support
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03:29 < jrmu> like a phone? but not possible currently with openbsd?
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04:33 < pardis> just get two USB-to-ethernet dongles and configure a normal network connection
04:34 < jrmu> hm, yeah I'll consider it
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07:44 < sir-photch> I'm trying to connect to a hidden wifi network with "nwid ... wpakey ..." and "inet autoconf" in /etc/hostname.iwm0, and that doesn't seem to work. Do I have to configure anything else apart from that? Are hidden SSIDs even supported?
07:45 < sir-photch> ifconfig(8) doesn't say anything about hidden ssids apart from "hidenwid" which apparently is only used for AP mode
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10:05 < sibiria> sir-photch: "join <nwid> wpakey <key>" and "inet autoconf" on the line after
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10:09 < sibiria> hidden or visible nwid does not matter for wifi. openbsd has no support for WPA3, and 11n and higher works only for some wifi drivers
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10:11 < sir-photch> Thanks, I'll check again when I'm home
10:12 < sibiria> you will also need firmware for most wifi chipsets for the device to work. i think all of the iwm ones require it
10:13 < sibiria> can be downloaded and installed from USB storage, if you don't have wired network access to allow "fw_update" fetching the firmware
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10:18 < sir-photch> Yeah so I already had wired access and there is no "not configured" in dmesg so I supposw I have the drivers
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13:36 < sonya> hello.. here's example of usb-ethernet errors :  https://clbin.com/caunK  .. reconnect of usb-ethernet adapter helps.. is there any sense to try to debug (? if "yes", then how ? after such errors adapter is dead and not respond .. or i'm doing smth wrong) ?? thanks in advance .. p.s.: it could be usual case for chineese rtl8153 though..
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14:46 < vortexx> sonya: usb ethernet is known to be hit or miss... I guess you'd need a debug kernel to discover what the problem really is. This is why we don't recommend building routers using usb ethernet for some if not all of the ports
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16:40 < sonya> vortexx: thanks.. well.. it's my 3'rd usb-ethernet and just hope it'll live more that 3 month..
16:41 < sonya> s/that/than
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17:00 < drathir_tor> sonya: from curiosity did you try UE330 ?
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17:10 < sonya> drathir_tor: no, i didn't .. but if it's good for you - thanks, will try next time :)
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17:13  * sonya is a junkie, who prefer cheapest equipment.. and i'm the happiest pig when it runs without issues for a long long time :))
17:15 < drathir_tor> sonya: more wonders if by chance You tested that one already ;D myself think to get this one somehow soon-ish interesting how looks compatibility...
17:16 < sonya> drathir_tor: as it's RTL8153 - no issues should be, imho
17:17 < drathir_tor> sonya: same and his one feels like good mix price to features still usb hub useful to not loose a port...
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17:19 < sonya> yeah.. 2 (two) usb-3.0 is all i've got in my no-name laptop.. UE330 looks pretty good.. despite that i don't like anything with "link" in brand-name :)
17:20 < sibiria> axe(4) has worked well for me as far as the driver goes
17:21 < sibiria> but anecdotally it can be hard to find a good device that isn't the usual shoddy chinese stuff
17:23 < vortexx> ure with RTL81** has been pretty reliable for when I'm using the XPS laptop under OpenBSD but I haven't tried doing constant massive data transfers
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17:24 < sonya> sibiria: yeah.. thanx for axe.. btw, i thought to port rd9700 (CoreChip) but noticed that udav(4) already has the rd9700 support.. think that i'll dig deeper if this usb-ether die as others..
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17:26 < sonya> pci rtl8139 is my numero uno: unbreakable and just works 
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17:27 < sonya> current chineese quality is the key of 99% issues, if not all
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17:28 < sibiria> rtl8139 has a hardware bug. but if i remember correctly, it only manifests in rare conditions, or after long uptime. something like that
17:28 < sibiria> though i ran 8139 for many years and never experienced it myself
17:29 < vortexx> isn't axe 100Mbit only?
17:30 < vortexx> I have an axe device for my 2001 vaio laptop
17:30 < sonya> afair, this bug had relation to the production batch (firs prod or so)
17:30 < vortexx> then again man axe says it can be gigabit
17:31 < sibiria> vortexx: there is axe and axen. i believe regular axe has some gbe chip
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17:33 < vortexx> yeah I forgot about axen
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17:37 < polarian> ive used axen(4) for almost 2 years as a router
17:38 < polarian> so its definitely stable 
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17:50  * oldlaptop ran a router with rl(4) on one side for... can't remember at which point I swapped that in now, but years, no issues
17:51 < oldlaptop> at least some of that time I think I had an fxp(4) on one side (the uplink was nowhere near saturating 10mbit)
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18:01 < vortexx> rl ran fine for me too, as did fxp
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18:20 < sir-photch> sibiria so it turns out the issue was that I only had my 2.4 GHz network set to accept WPA2, while my 5 GHz only accepted WPA3. Apparently, it was trying to connect to the 5gig all the time. Both frequencies share the same SSID
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18:22 < sibiria> yeah, openbsd wifi is mostly stuck in the mid 2000s
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18:49 < consus> also fs!
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18:59 < polarian> isn't "block in" the same as "block in all"
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19:00 < phy1729> echo block in | pfctl -nf - -vsr      block drop in all
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19:15 < polarian> thanks :)
19:25 < quinq> oh that's a nice trick, phy1729, I hadn't realized that -n works also with -sr
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19:31 < drathir_tor> sibiria: probably less anoying bug than get such intel disconnecting cards which allegedly only partially possible to mitigate by drivers... ^^
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19:45 < polarian> out of curiosity... is there a way to index blocks if IP addresses
19:45 < polarian> say I have a macro with a block of /24 if I want the first address in the block is there some way to extract that using the macro, or do I have to manually type it out
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19:50 < sibiria> i don't think so
19:51 < sibiria> you could split the contents into separate tables
19:52 < sibiria> a bit handier than a block
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19:54 < polarian> hm well slightly annoying but ok
19:56 < sibiria> if it's just one or two addresses in total you may as well spell it out directly in pf.conf. if not... definitely easier with a table that you persist/load in the rule set
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19:59 < sibiria> if it's the actual IP address of an interface, whether it's first or not in the subnet, you can use modifiers for it
19:59 < sibiria> it sounds like you want "this entire subnet, except this one IP address"
20:00 < sibiria> you can address those two components with ($ifname) and ($ifname:network)
20:01 < sibiria> and you can make a block where one is excempt
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20:11 < sir-photch> Curious: is anyone knowing of someone that's porting https://github.com/YaLTeR/niri to openbsd?
20:12 < sir-photch> There exists a freebsd port that I tried re-using the Makefile, but that obviously wouldn't work
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20:44 < drathir_tor> sir-photch: any build errors ?
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21:00 < sir-photch> With the freebsd patches? No
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21:27 < jungleboogie> Hi....how exactly does the PerSourcePenalties thing work for sshd?
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21:28 < jungleboogie> I put PerSourcePenalties yes in my sshd_config file
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21:28 < jungleboogie> then tried to login as a different user (that doesn't exist) to my machine several times, but i was not blocked
21:29 < jungleboogie> Running kern.version=OpenBSD 7.5-current (GENERIC) #144: Sat Jun 22 07:19:16 MDT 2024
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21:30 < jungleboogie> also restarted the sshd service: rcctl restart sshd and it said ok
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21:32 < jungleboogie> I tried logging int my machine on the same LAN as the computer and I am, and on a different network. The results are the same - no blocking happens
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21:50 < vortexx> jungleboogie: I don't even see PerSourcePenalties in man sshd_config. Is this a new option introduced in -current?
21:50 < jungleboogie> yes, in current
21:50 < jungleboogie> https://man.openbsd.org/sshd_config#PerSourcePenalties
21:51 < jungleboogie> https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240607042157
21:51 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240607042157 <-- yeah looks like it's in -current
21:51 < thrig> and the dreaded RedCard
21:53 < jungleboogie> What's that mean?
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21:58 < vortexx> most of us I'm sure have been using pf for rate-limiting ssh access
21:59 < vortexx> or using fail2ban
21:59 < vortexx> we'll see how popular this new setting is but it won't do any harm to machines behind the firewall / router. On the latter pf might be better
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22:22 < _0x1eef> I love pf. Probably my favorite BSD feature. I use it on FreeBSD as well.
22:24 < FenderQ> is the pf in OpenBSD different than the pf in FreeBSD?
22:25 < sibiria> yes
22:25 < _0x1eef> Yep. But I haven't come across many of them. For the most part it just works across both.
22:25 < FenderQ> https://man.openbsd.org/pf.conf
22:25 < FenderQ> https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=pf.conf&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+14.1-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html
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22:27 < sibiria> the most efficient "trick" you can use to reduce ssh noise is to just place it on another port
22:28 < sibiria> you'll only see attempts there if you're being targeted either directly or by someone using e.g. pre-map data from various host scan projects like shodan and similar
22:29 < quinq> Place it on port 80
22:30 < sibiria> and/or 443
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22:39 < sibiria> i've had sshd on all of my systems at a port somewhere beyond the thousands for the past 20 years that i've run openbsd systems facing the internet. i've seen bots and such trying to connect at no more than three or four occasions
22:39 < jungleboogie> So nobody knows how the new setting works?
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22:53 < FenderQ> you could also define netblocks for access to ssh
22:53 < FenderQ> instead of letting every known IP address connect to it
22:53 < FenderQ> using pf tables
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22:56 < vortexx> jungleboogie: not that many of us use -current, and even less on public facing systems
22:57 < vortexx> FenderQ: a long requested feature for pf is to be able to block entire countries by IP blocks, never has been implemented
22:57 < vortexx> (dropping China reduces break in attempts by probably 90%
22:57 < vortexx> )
22:57 < vortexx> although since the Ukraine-Russia war those two countries are causing issues too
23:01 < sibiria> not something that the OS should implement imo
23:01 < sibiria> netblock shift all the time
23:02 < sibiria> it's a huge job keeping track of it an daily updating subnet lists
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23:02 < sibiria> but thankfully such services are already available, so you can use them in pf, nftables etc.
23:05 < FenderQ> I don't try to block all the bad things, I block everything and only allow the stuff I want in
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23:06 < Tingo> Hi, Where OpenBSD normally used for ? if we compare it with Ubuntu/Debian ?
23:06 < FenderQ> it can have many use cases
23:09 < Tingo> why is it not that much famous ? if its too secure OS ?
23:09 < jungleboogie> Understood, vortexx 
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23:13 < Tingo> i am planing to learn OpenBSD ..
23:14 < Tingo> hope so that it can run Web-Hosting/ Nodejs/Python based applications..
23:16 < Tingo> MacOSX is running Customized OPenBSD in its backend ?
23:18 < jungleboogie> Doubtful
23:18 < FenderQ> afaik macOS uses a FreeBSD userland in some parts
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23:20 < Tingo> hmm.. What is the main difference in between FreeBSD and OpenBSD ?
23:21 < jungleboogie> A lot of things
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23:21 < Tingo> Long time ago i thought that we need to buy License for UNIX OS ?
23:23 < jungleboogie> Probably so, but that's not the case with Free/Net/OpenBSD
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23:30 < Tingo> hmm.. yea.. like Officially licensed Unix operating systems (and their vendors) include macOS (Apple), Solaris (Oracle), AIX (IBM), IRIX (SGI), and HP-UX (Hewlett-Packard).
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23:37 < Tingo> OpenBSD for (Security) and FreeBSD for Performance..
23:39 < vortexx> Tingo: also FreeBSD offers a much better vm hosting experience
23:39 < vortexx> and there's quite some debate over FFS (1/2) vs ZFS
23:39 < vortexx> FreeBSD also has DTrace if you need that
23:40 < vortexx> Tingo: there were MANY more than just those you cited
23:40 < vortexx> and most of them required expensive or very expensive licenses
23:40 < vortexx> HP-UX was notorious for needing a license per feature
23:41 < vortexx> and yes MacOS uses a FreeBSD userland for it's unix environment
23:41 < vortexx> has since Rhapsody
23:42 < vortexx> (OpenSTEP was on 4.4lite)
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23:44 < vortexx> Tingo: if you are planning to learn OpenBSD properly, start by reading the FAQ at https://www.openbsd.org/faq, then read manpages for extra configuration information. When you have a package specific question, look in /usr/local/share/doc/pkg-readme for the OpenBSD specific configuration information (which usually provides ready to copypaste configuration information to get you going immediately)
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23:45 < vortexx> the best way to learn is to first try in a VM, then deploy on dedicated hardware (a secondhand device will do)
23:46 < vortexx> you'll run into all kinds of issues on real hardware you wouldn't in a VM
23:46 < Tingo> oh wow.. lot of answers.. Good, Thanks !!
23:47 < vortexx> you're welcome
23:47 < vortexx> I imagine you'll be in here quite a bit with questions
23:49 < vortexx> there's also very active mailing lists you can read the archives of over at https://marc.info/ ... openbsd-misc is the general question one, openbsd-tech is where people submit patches to solve issues and sometimes support questions go there too
23:50 < vortexx> there's a good chance any issue you've run into has been answered and solved in https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc
23:50 < vortexx> at least for issues not in the FAQ
23:50 < Tingo> yea, downloading OPenBSD 7.5 and FreeBSD 14.1 and offcourse first installing it as a VM..
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23:51 < Tingo> if i find any bug in OpenBSD Kernel.. will i get any reward and prize money :) ?
23:52 < vortexx> no
23:52 < vortexx> just a tiny bit of fame, if that
23:52 < vortexx> maybe a mention ycombinator
23:52 < vortexx> or undeadly.org
23:52 < vortexx> (the OpenBSD news site)
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23:55 < vortexx> Tingo: beware of non-official websites for OpenBSD, like openbsdhandbook.org and calomel.org, these are not up to date, and often contain erroneous information
23:56 < vortexx> we often have newbies in here citing some site or other and surprised that what is posted there doesn't work with current releases
23:56 < Tingo> undeadly.org is new official website.. where this website has ISO for downloading ?
23:56 < Tingo> opebsd.org
23:57 < vortexx> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Download
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