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11:16 < untitled> do I need pf rules to allow dhcp traffic after block all when using dhcpleased?
11:17 < untitled> or does it still use bpf before pf comes into play?
11:18 < sibiria> on openbsd pf won't see dhcp4 traffic
11:18 < untitled> sibiria: ok thanks
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12:19 < ninjin> fdm(1) and many others have the option to invoke a shell command (say to pass(1)) upon reading their configuration file for passwords. This works fine for anything but ksh(1) and I am not sure exactly why and have been unable to get answer by searching.
12:20 < ninjin> Not the biggest of issues, but it bothers me that I can not figure out it out.
12:20 < ninjin> s/out it out/it out/
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14:17 < untitled> can I make pf silently drop ICMP (ping) instead of respoding timeout?
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14:28 < Bradipo> timeout isn't a response.
14:28 < sibiria> the timeout message is generated by the ping utility itself
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14:29 < Bradipo> You see "timeout" precisely because the packet is being dropped rather than an ICMP response being sent.
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14:31 < thrig> tcpdump is also handy
14:32 < sibiria> if you want you can drop "timex" icmp type but then your internet is gonna be sluggish in other "real" conditions
14:32 < sibiria> where this or that host isn't responding to "real" traffic
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16:34 < ForeverNoob[m]> Oh wow apparently I could just simply do `wg-quick up file.conf` the entire time.
16:34 < ForeverNoob[m]> Still, this is a bit worrying: [!] WARNING: resolvd may leak DNS queries
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16:35 < ForeverNoob[m]> For that it's best to comment out all non-VPN based entries in /etc/resolv.conf ?
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16:37 < ForeverNoob[m]> Like for example by default there's `nameserver 10.0.2.3 # resolvd: vio0` in there, but after `wg-quick up ...` there's also `nameserver 10.64.0.1 # resolvd: wg0` - It would be better to comment out the vio0 line?
16:37 < ForeverNoob[m]> To be clear, even when it gives me that warning, dnsleaktest.sh doesn't detect leaks.
16:38 < ForeverNoob[m]> (but I obviously still want to prevent them if possible)
16:39 < thrig> presumably if you don't want resolvd doing things...
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16:41 < ForeverNoob[m]> In case of a WG being active, it should send (and receive?) DNS queries on wg0, then in that case why would vio0 be relevant?
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16:43 < phy1729> I create a new rdomain and put my session into that rdomain and have only the wg interface in there so all of my traffic has to go via wg
16:45 < thrig> or one might put the wg dns first, and fallback if that's down. but who knows what you're trying to do?
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16:49 < ForeverNoob[m]> I'm basically trying to connect to enable Mullvad VPN (and I'm doing that using `wg-quick up file.conf`) in order to route all of the traffic through it. Preventing DNS leaks is a must, and if possible also enable a kill-switch (so if for some reason the VPN goes down, then it should block all traffic)
16:49 < ForeverNoob[m]> I'll look into this rdomain thing, thanks.
16:50 < ForeverNoob[m]> s/to connect//
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16:52 < phy1729> To shove your session into the rdomain see the rtable keyword in login.conf
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17:01 < ForeverNoob[m]> Oh thanks for the tip! So apparently rdomains are a kind of kernel-based network virtualization feature? Sounds pretty neat.
17:04 < thrig> also known as network namespaces or vnet elsewhere
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17:30 < echelon> what's the best way to handle opening /dev/pf as a non-root user?
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17:30 < jcs> open it as root and then drop privileges to the non-root user
17:31 < echelon> jcs: what if i need to continuously alter the pf rules?
17:32 < jcs> as long as you keep the file handle open you can keep doing stuff with it
17:32 < phy1729> anchors might work for your usecase
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18:26 < martian67> or possibly tables
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18:43 < ForeverNoob[m]> phy1729: Are you using wg-quick for enabling/disabling your Wireguard connections btw?
18:45 < vortexx> ForeverNoob[m]: most of us use /etc/hostname.wg* for wireguard configuration (and no I have no experience connecting to a third party VPN provider but I link sites with wireguard and have got it working on my phone, but not quite there on the laptop using linux)
18:45 < phy1729> no I like ifconfig better (and don't change them much)
18:45 < phy1729> (so yeah in hostname.wg*)
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18:53 < ForeverNoob[m]> Ah yeah that might explain it. If I'm to use the rdomain stuff I'll probably have to modify the wg-quick script to reflect that (as of now it simply does stuff like `route -q -n add ...`) - The "native" hostname.if method seems to be failing for me after numerous tries, so I'd much rather now go with the wg-quick method. For changing to a different endpoint I might try something like blocking all
18:53 < ForeverNoob[m]> traffic via firewall (except maybe SSH?), and then something like `wg-quick down old.conf && wg-quick up new.conf` 
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18:57 < ForeverNoob[m]> (for now)
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20:52 < ForeverNoob[m]> Uh, does /etc/resolv.conf enjoy some special protections from root? https://0x0.st/XAD4.txt
20:54 < Bradipo> No.
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20:54 < Bradipo> However, resolvd may be in competition with whatever you're trying to do.
20:55 < Bradipo> Why BSD ever adopted "sed -i" when it has ed(1) is beyond me...
20:59 < ForeverNoob[m]> Looks like resolvd is pretty fast in competing with me then. I simply want to (temporarily) disable a certain interface from resolving.
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21:00 < Bradipo> Yeah, that does seem pretty fast... but it could be monitoring the file for changes.
21:00 < Bradipo> Again, it's just a guess.
21:00 < Bradipo> Turn off resolvd and try your sed again.
21:02 < pardis> Bradipo: lots of scripts from GNUland use 'sed -i'
21:02 < ForeverNoob[m]> You're right, it gets edited as expected after stopping resolvd.
21:02 < pardis> I imagine it makes porters' lives much easier when they're porting bespoke build scripts
21:02 < Bradipo> Haha, yeah, my comment was mostly tongue-in-cheek.
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21:08 < ForeverNoob[m]> So now in /etc/resolv.conf, I have 2 lines:
21:08 < ForeverNoob[m]> nameserver 10.0.2.3 # resolvd: vio0
21:08 < ForeverNoob[m]> ignore vio0
21:08 < ForeverNoob[m]> Would that work?
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21:16 < Bradipo> ForeverNoob[m]: I don't run resolvd, so I'm not sure if it would work.  You could read the man page and try it.
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21:17 < echelon> can you interface with pf with libc?
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21:23 < echelon> or if i wanted to use pf in cgo, how would i do it?
21:24 < quinq> XY question, what are you actually trying to achieve?
21:25 < vortexx> ForeverNoob[m]: for what you're doing, you probably want resolvd disabled if you're adding your nameserver from the VPN provider manually when activaing wg
21:25 < echelon> quinq: adding/deleting rules to/from pf tables
21:26 < echelon> wireguard works in openbsd?
21:26 < AShapiro> openbsd has wireguard built in
21:27 < echelon> in the kernel?
21:27 < jcs> yes, wg(4)
21:27 < echelon> cool
21:29 < zelest> echelon, well, look at the source of pfctl, how to interacts with the kernel and add/remove the rules from pf
21:29 < quinq> echelon, then there's pf(4)
21:29 < quinq> But it might be easier to rewrite the whole ruleset and pipe it to an exec of pfctl
21:29 < echelon> i don't want use exec
21:30 < quinq> noted
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21:45 < ForeverNoob[m]> vortexx: I was under the assumption that resolvd was for clients, but apparently that's the job of unwind. DNS was never my strongest topic :)
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21:49 < ForeverNoob[m]> And Linux's abhorrent DNS ecosystem didn't really make it easier for me to absorb said topic effectively either.
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21:52 < vortexx> ForeverNoob[m]: resolvd is for clients, ones using plain dhcp via dhcpleased and not needing any special configuration
21:52 < thrig> servers may also use DHCP (this can be a good, or bad idea)
21:53 < vortexx> what it won't do compared to dhclient is allow to supersede settings, such as adding 127.0.0.1 as a nameserver or prepending a domain to search (for split horizon dns setups=
21:54 < vortexx> thrig: of course
21:54 < thrig> bad if your switch takes a few minutes to do power up tests by which point networkmanager already gave up after 3 DHCP attempts and now everything is offline
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21:58 < ForeverNoob[m]> Ok, so if I'm understanding correctly, resolvd is responsible for editing /etc/resolv.conf in case it gets its nameserver from the DHCP server. Otherwise you have to edit /etc/resolv.conf manually?
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21:59 < Bradipo> I don't think you need resolvd to get entries from DHCP.
22:00 < Bradipo> But maybe...
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22:00 < Bradipo> man page seems to suggest that's what it is for.
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22:05 < ForeverNoob[m]> That's what initially led me down the path of leaving it enabled.
22:09 < Bradipo> It doesn't seem like resolvd has very much configuration that you can use to influence what it does.
22:10 < Bradipo> The man page also confirms what I said earlier: resolvd also notices if the /etc/resolv.conf file is edited, and will rewrite the file, re-blending the various pieces of information.
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22:12 < vortexx> resolvd is deliberatly minimal, as was stated by devs when people started asking for features to do what dhclient.conf would allow with dhclient on tech@. Inflexibility is by design, you have to use a package dhcp client if you want something different
22:14 < Bradipo> Isn't dhcpleased still part of base?  Or is that something entirely different?
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22:15 < thrig> pkglocate dhcpleased
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22:15 < Bradipo> Well, I see /sbin/dhcpleased...
22:16 < Bradipo> That didn't come from a package.
22:19 < vortexx> dhcpleased+resolvd replaced dhclient a few releases ago
22:19 < Bradipo> Right, but dhcpleased has options for controlling DNS settings.
22:20 < vortexx> 6.9 apparentl
22:20 < vortexx> y
22:20 < Bradipo> Specifically "ignore dns"
22:21 < vortexx> yes that's a lot more configurable than I remember it
22:21 < Bradipo> Well, resolvd isn't configurable at all, but dhcpleased does have some knobs.
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