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01:07 < rnkn> is there a reason I should use a hostname server.example.com instead of just example.com?
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01:20 < thrig> for example, when showing DNS delegation or something
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01:33 < pardis> registering a new domain name per host gets expensive quickly
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02:53 < sysfu> Is there a trick to getting printf to add a newline to output? I'm getting nowhere with '\n' and "\n" and "\\n" etc. Appears that %n was removed fom OpenBSD printf a while ago. Man page says `\n` is the newline character, is there something particular to the ksh shell that I Need to be doing to escape it?
02:57 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/n.png
02:57 < Lucas> no, `printf "blah\n"` works
02:58 < Lucas> sysfu: maybe it's better if you show the actual command you're running
02:58 < Lucas> because, for example, if you have `var="something\n"; printf "%s" "$var";`, that won't add the newline
03:00 < sysfu> Lucas, here you go.
03:00 < sysfu> `while :; do read -r "sshbot"; logdate=$(date '+%b %e %T'); printf '%s Added IP %s %s' "$logdate" "$sshbot" " \\n" ; pfctl -q -k "$sshbot"
03:00 < sysfu>  -t bfssh -T add "$sshbot";  done`
03:00 < sysfu> that's a one liner but IRC broke it up.
03:00 < Lucas> ok, that won't work
03:00 < Lucas> put the `\n` inside the format string for printf
03:00 < sysfu> I also tried '\n' "\n" etc.
03:00 < Lucas> aka the first parameter
03:01 < Lucas> aka printf '%s Added IP %s\n' ...
03:01 < sysfu> OK, one moment.
03:01 < sysfu> Lucas, that fixed it, thank you.
03:01 < Lucas> it only replaces \n with a newline (and all the other escape, for the matter) in the format string
03:02 < Lucas> it doesn't do any expansion for the rest of the parameters
03:02 < sysfu> So I tried to add a 2nd format string and you can't do that, yes?
03:04 < Lucas> what do you mean?
03:04 < Lucas> using %-stuff in more than one parameter?
03:04 < Lucas> if that's the case, no, you can't do that
03:04 < Lucas> only the first one is interpreted like it
03:05 < thrig> printf 'blah blah' $(printf ...) ...
03:05 < thrig> but that's probably too complicated
03:08 < sysfu> According to man page, the format string immediately follows the command, then the arguments. I was trying incorrectly to tack an additional format string on to the end of the command.
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07:26 < rnkn> is there a reason to use a hostname like server.example.com vs just example.com?
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07:28 < echelon> i don't understand.. you want your hostname to be the root domain?
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07:28 < rnkn> maybe
07:29 < rnkn> I am ignorant of these things
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07:29 < echelon> in /etc/hosts you'll have an entry for a shortname, and using a root domain doesn't leave you with a shortname
07:29 < rnkn> I mean hostname of a machine, i.e. /etc/myname
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07:31 < echelon> the general idea is that you don't run all your services for your domain on 1 host, so you delegate your services to multiple servers
07:31 < echelon> but you can
07:32 < echelon> no one is going to knock down your door because you're not following naming conventions
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07:33 < rnkn> hehe
07:33 < rnkn> thanks echelon 
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08:48 < warden> After a few test I guess I found the problem with that Compaq Evo N620c: APCI implememtation of harware vendor. Thus I simply put "disable acpi" in /etc/bsd.re-config
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13:20 < Oddmonger> i've tried an install of openbsd with an usb key on a x86_64 PC. All was going well, before the « location of sets »
13:20 < Oddmonger> i don't see the usb key in the location menu (only cd0, disk, http, or nfs)
13:20 < sibiria> you need to mount it
13:20 < Oddmonger> i've tried http with wy proxy, but it doesn't seem to reach the outside
13:21 < sibiria> "disk" > "is it mounted?" > "no" > etc.
13:21 < Oddmonger> ahhh this way
13:21 < Oddmonger> thank you
13:22 < sibiria> sometimes the installer will find the medium at once when you choose "disk", sometimes not. the installer has options for solving either path
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13:23 < Oddmonger> hmm i see a bunch of path, like /mnt, /mnt/tmp and so on
13:23 < Oddmonger> how can i land to a shell, to check ?
13:24 < sibiria> you shouldn't need to. the installer will show the devices it has found, and it can show information about each device
13:24 < sibiria> size, device identity etc.
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13:25 < Oddmonger> shouldn't the set path be name like /mnt/sets ?
13:25 < sibiria> what are you booting, the full install.img or the miniroot?
13:25 < Oddmonger> full install (install75.img)
13:26 < sibiria> the installer will mount the device when you tell it which one, and then it finds the paths on its own. you don't need to mount manually to /mnt
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13:26 < sibiria> the "disk" option is where you go
13:27 < Oddmonger> so if i sum up: « is the disk partition already mounted », i answer « yes » ?
13:27 < Oddmonger> i've answered « no » just now but it was already mounted indeed
13:28 < Oddmonger> then it asks me the path to the sets, but default one (« 7.5/amd64 ») is wrong
13:28 < Oddmonger> if i had a shell, i could check mounts and path …
13:29 < sibiria> the default path is right. i wonder if you have the right device
13:29 < sibiria> the file system etc. on the install image is always correctly laid out for the installation script
13:29 < Oddmonger> ah maybe « disk » is my partitionned hard drive, and not the usb key
13:30 < sibiria> so, as i said, sometimes the installer finds the right device itself. sometimes you need to identify the device for it. the mounting and paths is always done automatically for you
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13:31 < Oddmonger> you mean i could enter manually the usb device name ?
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13:32 < sibiria> it gives you a list of the bare device identifiers, and it can show details for them so you can identify which is the correct medium
13:32 < sibiria> wd0, wd1, sd0, sd1, sd2, blah blah
13:33 < Oddmonger> so restart the install ?
13:34 < sibiria> no that's not needed. you did boot with that USB drive in the computer after all. the kernel has noticed it
13:34 < sibiria> if you ask the installer to show a list of available devices, it will find it
13:34 < sibiria> then you ask it to show information about them, so you can pick the correct one
13:35 < Oddmonger> but can i do that at the step i am now ? Or should it be done at start , after booting ?
13:35 < sibiria> you do it at the step you are now
13:36 < sibiria> if you have accidentally over-written your install disk, you will need to write the install image back
13:36 < Oddmonger> i've tried « help » to get list of commands, and it answers me by asking me the location of http proxy
13:36 < sibiria> that is, you may have partitioned your USB drive instead of the HDD/SSD you intended to install openbsd on
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13:37 < Oddmonger> Ohh :(
13:37 < Oddmonger> sd0 has been partitionned
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13:39 < pardis> how did you conclude that the USB stick is already mounted?
13:40 < Oddmonger> because it never asked me where it was
13:40 < sibiria> the installer could be a bit "smarter" about identifiying what is and what isn't the install medium, but at least both the partitioning step and the "choose install file medium" step will provide you information about the disk you're about to do business with, so that you can make an informed choice
13:41 < sibiria> you've made what i think is a pretty common mistake. just "dd" the install image back to the USB drive and have a go at it again :)
13:41 < Oddmonger> i've rebooted , and the usb key is still booting the installer
13:42 < pardis> what never asked you where what was?
13:42 < Oddmonger> pardis: the installer never asked me if i had something to mount (except at the sets install part)
13:42 < pardis> yes, that is the point at which you need to mount it
13:43 < Oddmonger> now it has rebooted, but i cannot see boot messages :/
13:43 < Oddmonger> page up/dows, shift+page up/down … what else can i try ?
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13:45 < Oddmonger> huum i think i should find some book about openbsd, there must be some installation detailed instructions, and i will stop bothering you :)
13:46 < Oddmonger> thank you for your help anyway (that's sincere)
13:47 < pardis> the installation is straightforward if you answer the questions honestly and don't make assumptions
13:47 < pardis> when it asks you if the disk with the sets is mounted, and you haven't mounted it, the answer is no
13:47 < pardis> then you need to choose the right disk (which you can do by random guessing if you only have a couple of them, if all else fails)
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13:53 < Oddmonger> i've restarted, but only available disk for mounting is sd0
13:53 < Oddmonger> this is my hard-drive, not the usb key
13:53 < Oddmonger> i don't have any other choice
13:54 < pardis> how do you know it's your hard drive?
13:54 < Oddmonger> because i have just partitionned just before
13:55 < pardis> oh, I see
13:55 < pardis> maybe the kernel is not seeing your USB stick, then
13:55 < Oddmonger> and it was ATA-something of 250Gb size, the use key is 8Gb anyway
13:55 < pardis> you can drop to a shell by entering ! and look at dmesg for clues (maybe 'dmesg | grep -i usb' or something)
13:56 < pardis> «dmesg | grep 'not configured'» can show you a list of devices the kernel hasn't recognised
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13:56 < Oddmonger> it sees my usb keyboard, but no usb key on horizon
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13:58 < Oddmonger> i could try with a cdrom, the old way (the machine has a cdrom drive and it is detected)
14:00 < sibiria> it boots from your USB stick, but kernel does not find the device after the fact? i think this is the first time i hear about that
14:00 < sibiria> did you write the image to the stick using some special tool, e.g. Rufus on windows?
14:00 < Oddmonger> cp install75.img /dev/sdX
14:01 < sibiria> yeah don't do that. use dd
14:01 < Oddmonger> ok let's try with dd
14:01 < pardis> I doubt it will make much difference, but you can try
14:01 < sibiria> if you're doing it on openbsd, the output device needs to be sdXc (not the c at the end)
14:02 < sibiria> note*
14:02 < pardis> it should be rsdXc
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14:29 < sonya> hello.. could anyone check (mail) from recent 'daily' scripts for info about "_postgre*" changes in /etc/passwd if any?  thanks a lot! (i deleted recent logs accidentally)
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14:38 < dfdx> I don't have any mail about changes to /etc/passwd.
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14:49 < sonya> ok.. thx..
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14:51 < ForeverNoob[m]> Hi, could the ops please allow VPN IPs to access man.openbsd.org? I know the project is trying to veer off malicious actors but I'm also pretty sure no one is trying to exploit the manpages.
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14:56 < dfdx> speaking of these daily scripts in mail, I get flooded with "httpd(ok)" every single day. Can someone point me to what I need to read to turn that off? I'm not getting anywhere with logger(1) and syslogd(8).
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14:59 < phy1729> ForeverNoob[m]: I don't think anyone who has access to that is here. You might ask misc@
15:00 < ForeverNoob[m]> I'll try, thanks.
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15:57 < ForeverNoob[m]> (meanwhile https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ just works lol)
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17:20 < topcat001> Oddmonger: is there a BIOS setting similar to "XHCI handover"?
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17:24 < Oddmonger> topcat001: i note that and answer you next week
17:25 < Oddmonger> when i visit again the office
17:25 < topcat001> cool
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18:48 < jrmu> I'm trying to adjust the priority of a route with # route change -inet -nostatic -priority 0 -mpath default 10.4.3.1
18:49 < jrmu> but no matter what I do, that route always shows up as default            10.4.3.1           UG         0        0     -    56 vio1 
18:49 < jrmu> so it's not multipath, and the priority is 56 instead of 0
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19:01 < sonya> jrmu: did you try -mpath [0|1]
19:01 < sonya> ?
19:02 < jrmu> let me check
19:02 < sonya> and -priority within, say, 2 <-> 48
19:03 < jrmu> the man page does not say -mpath needs an argument though, it just seems the presence of the flag alone is enough to set multipath
19:03 < jrmu> ok let me try a different priority
19:03 < jrmu> works with priority 3! thanks sonya 
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19:03 < sonya> np
19:03 < jrmu> I kept trying priorities 0 and 1, was confused why they didn't work
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19:05 < jrmu> are priorities 0 and 1 reserved? or forbidden
19:05 < sonya> 1 is for kernel only
19:05 < sonya> 0 - don't remember, but also seems smth special
19:05 < jrmu> ah
19:08 < sonya> jrmu: and to be clear: -mpath : If set to 1, multiple routes with the same priority are used equally; if set to 0, the first route selected will be used for subsequent packets to that destination regardless of source.
19:08 < sonya> $ man 8 route
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19:09 < jrmu> I think that's referring to the sysctls
19:09 < jrmu> rather than -mpath itself
19:09 < jrmu> I set the sysctls yeah
19:10 < sonya> ok
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19:44 < m4l> hey
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19:45 < m4l> just bought a VM at openbsd.amsterdam
19:46 < m4l> The world's first real proper OpenBSD & Ruby On Rails setup example: https://gist.github.com/basicfeatures/3dfa53e264b805915c97439a22be523a
19:48 < m4l> solene: hey!
19:48 < m4l> I'll hit you up on Mastodon in a bit
19:50 < thrig> ye olde computer challenge
19:51 < m4l> Yeah, continuing her legacy of openports.pl.
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19:59 < pardis> you've only been talking about rewriting openports.pl in ruby since February 2022
19:59  * pardis continues holding breath
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20:03 < m4l> pardis: My girlfriend says I'm slow too (although she means it in a different, more negative way)
20:03 < m4l> You sir sound like you're rooting for me, and I appreciate that
20:03 < sibiria> ruby? that thing still alive?
20:03 < m4l> bsdports.org will be superfast, supermodern and supersimple
20:03 < m4l> Folks at openbsd.amsterdam are so nice
20:04 < m4l> Can't run around with those dirty Vultr IPs any longer (without losing rank)
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20:08 < m4l> sibiria: You can see my installer here: BSDports.org is an AI vector search database for OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, and macOS ports. This project aims to be the #1 ports database for OpenBSD, as well as a testbed for the future openbsd.org redesign.
20:09 < m4l> Sorry, wrong paste
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20:15 < dfdx> I have what I think is a style/preference question. When setting up new services to host on my OpenBSD machine, I often see that the best practice is to create new users and have their homes be in either /var or /var/www. So e.g., user _mastodon in /var/mastodon, user _gitea in /var/gitea, user pixelefed in /var/www/pixelfed, user _nextcloud in /var/www/nextcloud, etc. However, I am running into storage 
20:15 < dfdx> limits on /var, and when I install OpenBSD on a 1TB HD it basically allocates 800G+ of space to /home. Should I reconsider having home directories in /var and put them in /home instead? My only complaint is stylistic -- I hate having "real" user homedirs cluttered with "service" users. 
20:17 < sibiria> you are free to make your own disklabel. it's recommended
20:17 < sibiria> because the default one is rubbish
20:17 < dfdx> I thought it was recommended to use the default. but yeah....
20:18 < dfdx> Like right now I am trying to selfhost OpenStreetMap and just downloading the map data is 76G, which is larger than /var entirely. But /home is 800G+.
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20:18 < u_weirdos> heres the source for the new bsdports.org. rub it in your face, you scared bullies: https://gist.github.com/basicfeatures/5d98d55eefe0c2decaaad8111a1e52d5
20:18 < dfdx> so should _osm's homedir be in /var or /home? well, this one is easy -- i'm forced to use /home.
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20:19 < dfdx> but now I have some services with home directories in /var and others in /home and its just getting messy. again -- not the end of the world. just a question on style.
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20:22 < dfdx> sibiria: so I guess your suggestion(?) is to use a new disklabel with a large /var and continue making the home directories of "service/fake" users in /var.
20:23 < sibiria> yes
20:23 < sibiria> as said, the default labels are trash
20:23 < dfdx> got it. thanks. 
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20:26 < sibiria> my own preference is that regular users with a tty should always go in /home. service stuff can kinda go where it makes most sense. /var isn't the only place they end up in.
20:27 < thrig> /var/empty! and put files there like redhat does!
20:28 < sibiria> an old unixy/solarisy thing is /opt, which i make use of myself
20:31 < sibiria> also has the benefit that you can control the file system options as you need, without anything interfering with necessary stuff in usr, usr-local and var
20:31 < sibiria> and you can easily migrate it away to new storage devices if you have to
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21:01 < dfdx> maybe I'll create /svc, short for "services", and use it like a /home for services. 
21:01 < dfdx> or maybe i'll call it /work. There's /home, where real users live, and /work, where services are. :)
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21:10 < thrig> technically /usr is where the users were, but they ran out of space on that disk
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21:25 < ForeverNoob[m]> I wonder which arbitrary decisions like that we make today will stay with us for the next 50+ years.
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23:38 < Saint_Tuesday> Heyo, so I've got an "AMD 17h/1xh HD Audio" that uses the azalia driver. I guess the new cards need msi enabled or something? It's a bit beyond me.
23:39 < Saint_Tuesday> Anyway, I found a patch submitted on openbsd-tech. Is there a way to build just the azalia driver after patching?
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23:40 < Saint_Tuesday> I was following the build OpenBSD from source guide and got a bit lost at the noperm /dest partition section.
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23:58 < pardis> you need to build the whole kernel, but you don't need to worry about the DESTDIR stuff unless building a relase (i.e., building the system on one computer to install to another)
23:58 < pardis> you only need to follow step 2 of release(8) for patching a kernel driver
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