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05:48 < tm512> so I've got a "new" home server box on the way, considering what OS I want to go with for it. one thing that concerns me about this new machine, is that unlike my current server (which has an old Intel Atom), this thing could take a decent amount of power if I let it, guessing it could get quite hot as well. wondering if there's any way on OpenBSD to limit the CPU usage of a process, like setting a quota 
05:48 < tm512> that it only gets, say, 25% of one core (0.25 "vCPU" or whatever) for its entire runtime
05:50 < CosmicDJ> tm512: why would you do that instead of letting your CPU finish the job as quickly as possible so that it can enter deeper power saving states faster?
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05:52 < tm512> CosmicDJ: in this case, the application is a chess bot playing on lichess. the job being "finished" is controlled by an external clock and not by how fast the CPU is able to compute
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05:53 < tm512> basically the search is going to max out a single thread for the entire allotted time
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05:57 < tm512> kinda worried that this functionality is only something that would seem like an obvious feature when it comes to VMs, though the last time I used OpenBSD was before VMs were even a feature, so I'm not sure exactly what kind of quotas I could set using vmd or whatever it's called
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06:01 < tm512> I guess I wouldn't be devastated if I needed to just go with FreeBSD in order to get access to jails and the resource management those provide. at least it's not Linux
06:02 < tm512> my home server has always been one of my better excuses to keep a BSD box around
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06:11 < tm512> what I want to accomplish with this specifically is kinda niche I guess but I want to let my chess bot do its thing having a single thread going constantly, but just have the scheduler grant it fewer timeslices than it would normally get, regardless of how idle the CPU is otherwise (so nice would not suffice)
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08:35 < pkal> I recall that using relayd as a reverse proxy with a single IP mapping different domains to local ports used to be a hassle.  Has that improved, or was it acutally easy all along?
08:36 < pkal> I've found https://www.tumfatig.net/2023/using-openbsd-relayd8-as-an-application-layer-gateway/#relaying-multiple-fqdns which appears to describe what I was after, but I wanted to hear something from people who might actually be using relayd
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12:08 < vortexx> tm512: obsdfreqd in packages helps with CPU usage but there's no real cpu power management at the advanced level like you're suggesting
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17:18 < sysfu> jrmu, I deterimed that my wordpress php rendering issues were caused by having relayd handle TLS. Once I removed relayd and served everything direct from httpd port 80, all the rendering and rewrite issues went away.
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17:19 < sysfu> There's something going on with https redirect that I haven't been able to succesfully debug yet. At least I now know it's not my httpd.conf/php setup
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18:25 < echelon> does openbsd ensure that a service remains in the running state if it stops for whatever reason, ie, is killed or crashes
18:25 < pardis> no
18:25 < echelon> would you need like a supervisor process?
18:25 < echelon> for that function
18:25 < oldlaptop> pretty much
18:25 < echelon> ok thanks
18:25 < oldlaptop> There are such things that run on openbsd (runit, I believe?), but not built in to it
18:26 < pardis> or some monitoring script that runs every so often and invokes 'rcctl start whatever', or some other solution you come up with
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18:26 < pardis> but OpenBSD does not provide one
18:26 < echelon> got it, thanks
18:26 < phy1729> Because the opinion is that you should figure out why it crashed and fix that and restarting could let an attacker try again.
18:27 < oldlaptop> there used to be someone in here (or not even here, back on freenode) who ran openbsd systems with runit, rather than the rc.d system
18:27 < oldlaptop> (the fellow I'm thinking of also had cool sgi stuff, IIRC)
18:28 < echelon> well, the reason i'm anticipating is because of potential core dumps triggered by pledge.. i would still need to keep the service running.
18:28 < oldlaptop> If pledge is triggering coredumps, the service has a bug
18:28 < echelon> right
18:29 < echelon> maybe i can just write a crob script that checks periodically
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18:32 < Bradipo> echelon: I use daemontools.  Others use runit.
18:33 < echelon> pros/cons of each?
18:33 < Bradipo> But I haven't ever bothered to replace rc.d(8) for those things that OpenBSD includes by default.
18:34 < Bradipo> pros/cons.  Well, they are very similar, and in fact, runit was likely inspired or cloned from daemontools.
18:34 < Bradipo> daemontools is very light-weight.  runit is a little more.
18:34 < Bradipo> http://cr.yp.to/daemontools/faq/create.html#why
18:35 < echelon> thanks
18:36 < Bradipo> http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html vs https://smarden.org/runit/
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18:38 < echelon> who watches the watcher
18:38 < Bradipo> For daemontools it's svscan. :-)
18:38 < echelon> ah
18:38 < Bradipo> But who watches svscan? :-)
18:39 < Bradipo> svscan is pretty solid code.  I don't think I've had it crash in 20+ years of using it, so it's fairly competent at keeping services running.
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18:40 < echelon> is it pledged/unveiled?
18:40 < Bradipo> No, but I'm not sure it would benefit from that.
18:40 < Bradipo> Maybe it could.
18:41 < oldlaptop> Simple, robust code should at least be *easy* to pledge.
18:41 < oldlaptop> (relatively speaking)
18:41 < Bradipo> Yeah, it *should* be in this case.
18:42 < Bradipo> svscan.c is 203 lines (including whitespace).
18:43 < Bradipo> With daemontools, dependencies are entirely up to and under the control of, the administrator.
18:43 < Bradipo> e.g. if you have one service that needs to wait for another service to come up, there's no such thing as a "runlevel".
18:44 < Bradipo> But that's not so difficult to overcome.  I usually just bake some kind of a service check at the beginning of the run script and if the test doesn't pass, it doesn't move on.
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19:05 < oldlaptop> rc.d is... morally similar, in a way
19:05 < oldlaptop> startup order of *base* services is hardcoded in rc itself, but you get to decide what order package daemons start in
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19:17 < tm512> vortexx: was a bit worried that was the case. I guess it wouldn't be something that could be generalized to other applications necessarily, but I guess maybe I could implement some kind of "CPU saver" in my chess engine instead of relying on the OS scheduler to impose that
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19:20 < tm512> the most blunt way of getting to something like that would just be to sleep() for a portion of the time allotted to that search. wouldn't prevent the search from maxing out the CPU, but it'd average out to the desired result
19:20 < echelon> is there any way to a assign an id or tag of some sort to a pf table entry?
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19:31 < phy1729> man pf.conf second hit for tag
19:31 < phy1729> oh sorry table not rule
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19:35 < echelon> doesn't look like it
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