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00:21 < Tingo> can we not install multiple PHP Versions in OpenBSD ?
00:22 < Tingo> i meant install and Run Multiple PHP versions at a time..?
00:23 < tux0r> you could
00:23 < tux0r> but why?
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00:25 < Tingo> i also thought we can but its not allowing multiple versions at a time..
00:26 < Tingo> PHPMyAdmin support till PHP 8.2 and i am already running PHP 8.3..
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00:27 < tux0r> ah, thats why i rarely make php upgrades...
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00:32 < Tingo> btw.. how we run multiple.. as far as i know,.. if i do listen = /var/www/run/php83-fpm.sock for php83 and listen = /var/www/run/php82-fpm.sock for php82.. its conflicting..not allowing to run another service of php-fpm
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00:34 < Tingo> hmm... i think i should try listen = 127.0.0.1:9000 and listen = 127.0.0.1:9001 ..
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00:37 < Tingo> nop, its also not working..
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00:42 < Tingo> i am running default OpenBSD HTTPD..
00:43 < Tingo> i think we can run multiple PHP in Apache..?
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01:41 < jrmu> Tingo: I think multiple php should be possible on openhttpd
01:42 < jrmu> if you use different sockets, I don't see why it wouldn't work. What errors did you get?
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01:55 < Tingo> jrmu:  yea i also thought that it should.. but strange its not allowing to run multiple versions..
01:55 < jrmu> try turning on error messages
01:56 < jrmu> try # /etc/rc.d/php83_fpm -d start
01:56 < jrmu> and # /etc/rc.d/php82_fpm -d start
01:56 < jrmu> see what error messages you get
01:56 < jrmu> this is independent of openhttpd anyway, this is an issue with php83_fpm and php82_fpm
01:59 < Tingo> ERROR: Another FPM instance seems to already listen on /var/www/run/php83-fpm.sock
02:00 < Tingo> ERROR: FPM initialization failed
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02:05 < jrmu> Tingo: hm check $ fstat | grep php
02:06 < jrmu> you might already have another process using that socket
02:06 < jrmu> also $ ps aux | grep php
02:08 < Tingo> its showing that php83 is running ..master process (/etc/php-fpm.conf) (php-fpm-8.3)
02:08 < Tingo> if stop php83_fpm then start php82_fpm it start 82 and 83 start same issue..
02:11 < jrmu> hm, maybe pastebin those commands so we can take a look
02:11 < jrmu> and pastebin the conf files
02:11 < jrmu> pastebin the output of those commands*
02:11 < Tingo> mast file for 83 is /etc/php-fpm.conf which is listening on /var/www/run/php83-fpm.sock and php82 which file is in /etc/php-fpm.d/php82.conf and running on socket /var/www/run/php82-fpm.sock
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02:11 < Tingo> k
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02:15 < Tingo> https://bpa.st/7YLQ
02:15 < jrmu> so it looks like php83_fpm is running
02:17 < Tingo> https://bpa.st/PXCQ
02:18 < Tingo> hmm.. chroot issue ? i dont think so..
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02:24 < jrmu> one sec Tingo sorry internet dc'd
02:25 < jrmu> what's the output when you run # /etc/rc.d/php82_fpm -d start
02:28 < Vaelatern> nope, changing to the newest OpenBSD doesn't make my Unbound suddenly work on domains like old.reddit.com
02:29 < Vaelatern> surely I'm missing something obvious
02:29 < Tingo> jrmu: https://bpa.st/IXIQ
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02:30 < jrmu> hm weird Tingo 
02:31 < jrmu> when you run # /etc/rc.d/php82_fpm -d start
02:31 < jrmu> it seems to want to use /var/www/run/php83-fpm.sock
02:31 < jrmu> not sure why, it shouldn't be trying to listen on that socket
02:31 < jrmu> both of them are trying to use the exact same socket
02:31 < jrmu> so my guess is there is a configuration error somewhere
02:34 < Tingo> which configuration file? (PHP83 listen = /var/www/run/php83-fpm.sock ) and (PHP82 listen = /var/www/run/php82-fpm.sock ) .. these are different names so it should create sockets
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02:35 < jrmu> yeah it's strange, I don't know
02:36 < jrmu> all I know is that error output you showed me shows that php82 is trying to use 83's socket
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02:50 < Tingo> well, one more issue.. i installed #pkg_add apache-httpd and /etc/rc.d/apache -df start is showing rc_check 20/30 times.. :)
02:51 < jrmu> oh hm, I don't know anything about apache, sorry
02:52 < Tingo> ok, i try to troubleshoot it..
02:56 < mischief> Vaelatern: are you using unbound for a resolver?
02:56 < Tingo> fixed it.. first have to stop php83_fpm then again start rcctl start apache2 then it start fine..
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03:13 < Vaelatern> mischief: us
03:14 < Vaelatern> Yes
03:14 < mischief> works fine here
03:14 < mischief> https://github.com/mischief/ansible/blob/master/roles/router/templates/unbound.conf.j2
03:15 < jrmu> Tingo: cool
03:17 < Vaelatern> I'm not using a forward zone
03:17 < Vaelatern> I'm just in theory going straight for the roots
03:18 < Vaelatern> I wonder if the baked in list is old
03:23 < mischief> no, but you can also explicitly configure a root zone file and also have it autorefreshed
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03:34 < Vaelatern> I'd found that setting... I'm just confused why my Unbound is serving up SERVFAIL for domains that resolve just fine elsewhere
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04:33 < Tingo> done.. :)
04:34 < Tingo> it was too tricky to run multiple PHP versions..
04:34 < jrmu> was the issue due to the wrong socket being specified?
04:34 < Tingo> https://bpa.st/HWFQ
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04:40 < jrmu> glad to see it's working
04:42 < Tingo> In /etc/php-fpm.conf (listen = /var/www/run/php82-fpm.sock) #rcctl start php82_fpm and then edit again file /etc/php-fpm.conf  and change to line into  (listen = /var/www/run/php83-fpm.sock) and save it, #rcctl start php83_fpm
04:42 < Tingo> https://bpa.st/B5KA
04:43 < Tingo> was too weird issue..
04:44 < Tingo> so both are using one file.. /etc/php-fpm.conf
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04:45 < jrmu> maybe you need to edit the rc script
04:46 < Tingo> even tried with 127.0.0.1:9000 for firing up php82_fpm and then edit again file 127.0.0.1:9001 for firing up php83_fpm..
04:46 < Tingo> yea.. will face issue in /etc/rc.conf.local
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04:47 < Tingo> so have to disable one, #rcctl disable php83_fpm.. so in boot one PHP82 first start up
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04:48 < jrmu> I meant in /etc/rc.d/php??_fpm
04:48 < jrmu> maybe there's something you can edit to configure which conf file to use
04:50 < Tingo> hmm, interesting. how can i add configuration file path with its variable for its own conf file ?
04:50 < Tingo> so i can point one file for php82_fpm and other file for php83_fpm service ?
04:51 < jrmu> I don't know unfortunately
04:51 < jrmu> but it should be possible
04:52 < Tingo> this line (nclude=/etc/php-fpm.d/*.conf)  in /etc/php-fpm.conf was also not working properly..
04:53 < Tingo> if disable listen socket in main file and enable this include=/etc/php-fpm.d/*.conf and add two seperate files in /etc/php-fpm.d/ e.g php82_fpm.conf and php83_fpm.conf , it dont pick correctly..
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04:58 < Tingo> hmm.. have to use daemon_flags with its seperated files in /etc/rc.d/php82_fpm and /etc/rc.d/php83_fpm files..
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05:03 < Tingo> have to specify this in daemon file e.g /usr/local/sbin/php-fpm-8.2 --fpm-config /etc/php82-fpm.conf and /usr/local/sbin/php-fpm-8.3 --fpm-config /etc/php83-fpm.conf
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05:04 < jrmu> ah
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05:08 < Tingo> yea, Good..working fine..
05:08 < Tingo> https://bpa.st/AXQQ
05:11 < Tingo> so moral of story is that.. if we install multiple PHP e.g 8.2 and 8.3 at a time on OS.. then OpenBSD OS or pkg_add should add its own another Configuration file in /etc/php-fpm.conf .. then php 8.2 and 8.3 will not conflict during Firing-UP .. e.g #rcctl start php82_fpm php83_fpm
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05:13 < Tingo> anyhow .. Time to sleep.. Thanks!! See Yaa
05:13 < jrmu> have a good one
05:14 < Tingo> normally.. on Google.. ther is not guidance for running Multiple PHP versions at a time.. some one said that its not possible on Openbsd/FreeBsd..
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08:21 < kgdrenefort> hello, so far as I knew OpenBSD was not a thing on Rasperry Pi, but after random research it seems now it's something possible. Am I misreading or it's now possible to install OpenBSD on a Raspberry Pi ?
08:22 < kgdrenefort> sorry, yeah it is now possible: https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html 
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09:20 < nathanpc> kgdrenefort: I do believe it always has been available since the 64-bit variants of the Pi (3/4) were launched, at least as far as I can remember
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09:30 < kgdrenefort> nathanpc: I read a few years back a complain about some hardware on it making it a «no no» for OpenBSD dev, IIRC, but that's old.
09:30 < nathanpc> most likely the 32-bit era SOCs
09:30 < kgdrenefort> ok, thanks for your answer.
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09:31 < sibiria> there's a general dismay with broadcom's CPUs. they are "kludgy" compared to some of the alternatives. part of that probably got in the way 
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09:34 < sibiria> 32-bit arm support happened in 5.9 or 6.0, and the first arm64 platforms saw support like one year later or so
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09:40 < pardis> 32-bit ARM was around long before 5.9
09:40 < sibiria> yes but not in the form we know it today
09:41 < pardis> 3.7, apparently
09:41 < sibiria> it was for the zaurus and some other niche platform
09:42 < sibiria> not 32-bit arm in any broader or general sense
09:44 < sibiria> but admittedly a pretty cool "gadget". i've even seen openbsd running on one of the later models around the mid 2000s
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10:26 < quinq> Hummm, top is telling me: Memory: Real: 736M/3632M act/tot Free: 296M Cache: 635M
10:26 < quinq> How does that amount to 3632M?
10:27 < quinq> Or 3632-296 used
10:28 < rnkn> I have got smtpd setup to deliver mail to user@hostname.domain.com but I want to deliver to user@domain.com, but without creating aliases for each; should I just change the hostname?
10:30 < sibiria> quinq: the cache can't track everything, so the total commit (3632M) can be larger than active use + cache
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10:31 < sibiria> to underline, 3632M is the maximum commit observed since boot
10:31 < quinq> So what's the use of that cache info (not being snarky)?
10:32 < sibiria> i guess it's just to tell you how much file-based data the kernel currently knows of, and can reuse instead of loading this or that file anew
10:32 < quinq> ah ok, so file-oriented
10:32 < sibiria> together with "free" it tells you the total amount of available RAM
10:32 < quinq> Thanks sibiria :)
10:32 < sibiria> the nomenclature could be clearer imo
10:33 < sibiria> e.g. "Free 1234M (of which 300M cached)" or whatever
10:33 < quinq> Yeah, and/or explained in the man-page
10:34 < sibiria> quinq: kern.bufcachepercent (man 2 sysctl) offers a bit of control over the behavior, if it's of interest
10:34 < quinq> rnkn, not sure I understand the question, but if the email was sent to "hostname.domain.com", it should be delivered to "hostname.domain.com", shouldn't it?
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10:35 < rnkn> quinq: of course yes, but I want users to be able to use user@domain.com
10:35 < lts> You could also have an MX record on domain.com to deliver to hostname.domain.com
10:35 < quinq> Do you mean for sending?
10:36 < sibiria> rnkn: you can add multiple domains to a table and use that as a criteria
10:36 < quinq> That, and the mask-src option
10:37 < quinq> But that's in in transmission, not reception
10:37 < rnkn> sorry, I don't mean that mail to user@hostname.domain.com should go to user@domain.com, I just want to essentially take the hostname part out of the equation
10:37 < quinq> Still unclear
10:37 < rnkn> user@domain.com delivers to user@domain.com but the machine's hostname is foobar.domain.com
10:37 < rnkn> sorry
10:38 < quinq> Do you mean that you have mx0.domain.tld as mail-from when sending emails, but you want it to be domain.tld only?
10:38 < rnkn> yes
10:38 < sibiria> then set mailname
10:38 < quinq> And mask-src
10:39 < quinq> It'll mask the name from your original submission
10:39 < rnkn> oh man, I should read more
10:39 < quinq> s/name/hostname/
10:39 < sibiria> man smtpd.conf (and search for "mailname" and also "mask-src")
10:39 < quinq> (sorry I'm mixing a but both infos, but I think you'd like both)
10:39 < sibiria> you definitely want to enable mask-src yes
10:40 < rnkn> okay awesome, I think this will solve everything, thankyou!
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10:51 < rnkn> yes, changing /etc/mail/mailname got everything working how I wanted, thanks again
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12:53 < sonya> hello.. report on broken Intel 13/14-gen cpu's: https://alderongames.com/intel-crashes .. 
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13:00 < RobbieAB> I've seen the longer form of that... Basically it looks like Intel are running too hot.
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13:02 < oldlaptop> Perhaps that will cause yet another wave of silly people panicking that their CPUs' temperature sensors read in excess of 30C.
13:06 < RobbieAB> Honestly, it strikes me as kind of predictable given how they basically started the whole "TDP is a marketting number with no relationship to reality"
13:07 < RobbieAB> The Register has some additional details: https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/13/game_raptor_intel/
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13:07 < sonya> oldlaptop: well.. as cpu(4) states, here's a "+/-15 degrees C" in hw.sensors.cpu*.temp0 .. and sometimes i'm worried, even despite 12-th gen Alder Lake is here.. temp0 values are really could be hot..
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13:09 < RobbieAB> Look at the chips at the center of the story: The ones with the ridiculous "Boost" speeds...
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13:09 < sonya> P-cores mostly, but..
13:09 < RobbieAB> So it sounds like Intel basically pushed the self-overclock to far in pursuit of benchmarks, while basically killing the chip if you run it under those conditions for too long.
13:10 < oldlaptop> These motherboards have played fast and loose with out-of-the-box overclocking (basically) for a long while
13:10 < RobbieAB> boost isn't motherboard manufacturer, it's the CPU itself.
13:10 < oldlaptop> but I'm sure the real problem is that the sensor number is over 50
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13:12 < sonya> as resources pointed: overheating lead to dissipation on-chip materials.. or smth like that..
13:12 < RobbieAB> I am prepared to bet that if you hook those CPUs upto a cooler capable of dispersing 500W heat, and you keep it from running particularly hot, it would remain boringly stable.
13:12 < RobbieAB> Even at 6GHz boost clocks.
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13:13 < RobbieAB> The problem is... The kind of cooling needed here is fairly expensive, so suddenly the "cheap" chip isn't anything like as cheap.
13:14 < RobbieAB> So in summary... Yes, it looks like Intel gamed benchmarks and flew too close to the fire and got a bit melty as a result. Not sure what part of this is particularly new?
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13:25 < ForeverNoob[m]> Hi, being on `-current`, I consider `sysupgrade -s` to be a bit expensive for my purposes, so I'm looking at doing it less frequently. I still however want to keep my focus on security, which is also the main reason I'm running OpenBSD in the first place.
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13:25 < ForeverNoob[m]> So I thought I could perhaps subscribe to one of those security (mailing) lists or something similar. Once I receive an alert, I'll issue an update. Does this seem like a dumb idea? If so, why?
13:26 < ForeverNoob[m]> I read over https://www.openbsd.org/security.html and followed the BUGTRAQ list seems a bit dormant: https://marc.info/?l=bugtraq - Is there a better alternative?
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13:28 < sonya> RobbieAB: https://www.techspot.com/review/2836-intel-cpu-crash-baseline-spec/  in the end of the article is an interview with Intel (Ian Cutress with Guy Therien).. seems like 146% Intel's fault on power specs
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13:32 < RobbieAB> sonya: Will need to take the time to read that one properly, but on a skim read it looks like it matches with my understanding that Intel played fast and loose with thermals for the boost clocks and got burnt.
13:33 < sibiria> sounds like intel's modus operandi for all of the 2010s
13:33 < ForeverNoob[m]> +1
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13:33 < sibiria> amd was offering little competition, so intel didn't have to innovate. they just released the same shit over and over but with cheap tricks on top
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13:38 < sonya> heh.. looks like i'll get new arm soon :)
13:42 < ForeverNoob[m]> Congrats, I'm grateful that I still have 2 of them.
13:44 < RobbieAB> My interpretation may have been informed and encouraged by Intels recent history... ;)
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13:47 < oldlaptop> ForeverNoob[m]: -current does not get "security alerts" as such, although it will frequently be the case that an erratum for the most recent release corresponds to a fix being committed to -current about the same time.
13:48 < Shirkdog> I live and die by the snapshot on current
13:48 < sonya> ForeverNoob[m]: just my 2-cents: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html - in general, you have (almost) the same level of security being on latest release .. # syspatch && pkg_add -u  will keep you up , and you have a "stable" api/abi within release (half a year) .. + ^^^ what oldlaptop said ..
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13:49 < oldlaptop> source-changes@ can send you "alerts" whenever something happens in -current, but if you consider running sysupgrade every few days "too expensive", I suppose you probably consider reading source-changes "too expensive".
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13:51 < oldlaptop> sonya: I can see the sparks flying off that author's grindstone from across the axe-sharpening shop.
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13:52 < ForeverNoob[m]> Thanks. "source-changes" sounds like it requires the knowledge and understanding of OpenBSD's code, and most importantly C (which definitely sounds interesting but outside of my reach currently)
13:52 < oldlaptop> (Which is how bench grinders generally work, but never mind.)
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13:53 < ForeverNoob[m]> sonya: Thanks, -stable that would be my preference but -current has the package on a version that I can use.
13:53 < oldlaptop> Why does it "sound like" that?
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13:53 < oldlaptop> You could always look at the archives and see what it actually is.
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13:55 < ForeverNoob[m]> Well, because it's about changes to the OpenBSD source code?
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13:55 < oldlaptop> So are security errata.
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13:55 < ForeverNoob[m]> In any case, taking a glance somewhat confirms my initial thoughts.
13:56 < ForeverNoob[m]> Yes, but with security errata I can (also somewhat) automate things by going "Is there a message about security here? Then issue the update just in case."
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14:17  * RobbieAB is curious as to why sysupgrade is too expensive
14:17 < RobbieAB> cron > email ?
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14:19 < sonya> time + traffic (on metered connections especially), but mostly time.. imho..
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14:20 < ForeverNoob[m]> Yes, mostly time. Downloading the image + relinking kernel and libs + for some reason Alpine (which hosts the OpenBSD VM) takes about 10 minutes to boot.
14:21 < RobbieAB> sonya: Good point about metered connections. The time thing can surely be resolved with cron doing it during down time?
14:24 < sonya> RobbieAB: i'm not good at automatic install/upgrade to advise anything.. if configs (in /etc) are changing (require manual adjustments) - time will be spent anyway..
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14:26 < sonya> RobbieAB: but, afair, here's a plenty of options to simplify automatic install/upgrade .. it depends ..
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14:31 < RobbieAB> sonya: In fairness, I am on -stable, so am probably not the best person to ask for opinions on -current.
14:32 < RobbieAB> Read the article... Looks like it's missed the fact the instability appears to be an issue even on non-gamer hardware using the CPUs, so... 
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15:16 < jab> hello, question about opensmtpd...
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15:18 < jab> I am trying to set up a locally running opensmtpd on my laptop, so that when I am disconnected from the internet, I can send emails...opensmtpd will queue those emails, and send them later when I connect again with the internet.
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15:19 < jab> I believe I need something like this:
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15:20 < jab> listen on interface tls [...] auth <table>
15:20 < jab> action name relay host relay-url auth <table> 
15:20 < jab> I believe the auth <table> in the relay context is a mapping table that looks like
15:20 < jab> label1  user:password
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15:21 < sibiria> #opensmtpd
15:21 < jab> from "man table" The label must be unique and is used as a selector for the proper credentials when multiple credentials are valid for a single destination.  The password is not encrypted as it must be provided to the remote host.  
15:21 < jab> sibiria: ok thanks!
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