--- Log opened Fri Jul 19 00:00:26 2024 00:03 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@c-68-40-123-196.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 00:07 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 00:07 -!- donofrio [~donofrio@iactcepasv500.faa.gov] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:13 -!- jacobk [~quassel@2603:3013:103:ef00:b413:1241:5e3:eebd] has joined #openbsd 00:27 -!- guru__ [~guru@2001:9e8:e826:ea00:20c:29ff:fe5c:9d22] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:31 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:33 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:33 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has joined #openbsd 00:41 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 00:43 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has joined #openbsd 00:47 -!- jacobk [~quassel@2603:3013:103:ef00:b413:1241:5e3:eebd] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:49 -!- gzar [~gzar@2a01:c844:2529:9500:7656:3cff:fe2f:af7f] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.4] 00:50 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50 -!- redruM [~redrum@user/redrum] has joined #openbsd 00:53 -!- zorz_ [~zorz@user/zorz] has joined #openbsd 00:54 -!- zorz_ [~zorz@user/zorz] has quit [Client Quit] 00:57 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:58 < tux0r> sigh.. it's been $today days ago since i broke my openbsd by installing stuff via cpan 00:58 < tux0r> how much do i need to pay to the openbsd foundation to make theo remove perl from base? :x 00:59 < tux0r> or AT LEAST make cpan work like NORMAL CPAN. 00:59 -!- drathir_tor [~drathir@wireguard/tunneler/drathir] has joined #openbsd 00:59 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has joined #openbsd 00:59 -!- zwr [~zwr@189.80.71.215] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:03 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 01:03 -!- nickisabi [~nickisabi@2607:fb90:b7ad:4a90:c882:3d9:ce7:d6a9] has quit [Changing host] 01:03 -!- nickisabi [~nickisabi@user/nickisabi] has joined #openbsd 01:03 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:07 < dlg> needs more lua 01:07 < dlg> or that other one 01:10 < dlg> squirrel? 01:11 < mischief> i do like me some lua 01:11 < mischief> i think tedu does too ;-) 01:15 -!- bytesbyte [~byte@user/bytesbyte] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.4] 01:17 < tux0r> i actually like perl. the almost-integration with openbsd is the problem. 01:17 < tux0r> if i wanted lua, i'd use netbsd :p 01:17 < tux0r> .. lua in the kernel .. what's next? node.js in systemd? .. 01:18 < dqk> if you're making a good enough proposal to lennart there's a big chance he'll consider it 01:19 < tux0r> i pretty much think so too 01:20 < dlg> he strikes me as the kind of guy who will reject it immediately 01:20 < tux0r> "everyone uses javascript these days anyway" 01:20 < dlg> and then 9 months later commit it like he invented it 01:22 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 01:24 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:28 -!- zwr [~zwr@189.80.71.215] has joined #openbsd 01:31 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 01:34 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has joined #openbsd 01:38 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:39 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:44 -!- Noisytoot [~noisytoot@user/meow/Noisytoot] has joined #openbsd 01:44 -!- EtherNet [~ethernet@user/ethernet] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:45 -!- EtherNet [~ethernet@user/ethernet] has joined #openbsd 01:52 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 02:04 -!- Maylay [~gren@108-198-59-230.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:05 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has joined #openbsd 02:06 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has quit [Client Quit] 02:08 -!- Maylay [~gren@108-198-59-230.lightspeed.miamfl.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openbsd 02:10 -!- x1t is now known as Guest3 02:17 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has joined #openbsd 02:21 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has joined #openbsd 02:23 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 02:26 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has quit [Quit: not at_work] 02:28 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has joined #openbsd 02:30 -!- sunwind [~paradox@host217-39-234-58.range217-39.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Outside Context Problem.] 02:35 -!- sunwind [~paradox@host217-39-234-58.range217-39.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openbsd 02:35 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has joined #openbsd 02:35 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 02:44 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 02:49 -!- Guru_DE [~guru@2001:9e8:e82c:c400:20c:29ff:fe5c:9d22] has joined #openbsd 02:49 -!- byteskeptical [~amnesia@user/byteskeptical] has joined #openbsd 02:53 -!- DinoWilliam [~DinoWilli@177.92.53.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:02 -!- LohanG [~LohanG@user/lohang] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:03 -!- LohanG [~LohanG@user/lohang] has joined #openbsd 03:05 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:06 -!- UDENIX [~UDENIX@user/udenix] has joined #openbsd 03:07 -!- mxz_ [~mxz@user/mxz] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:12 -!- jacobk [~quassel@2601:380:837e:24e0:b413:1241:5e3:eebd] has joined #openbsd 03:13 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has joined #openbsd 03:14 -!- topcat001 [~topcat001@user/topcat001] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:15 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has quit [Client Quit] 03:16 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:16 -!- mxz [~mxz@user/mxz] has joined #openbsd 03:16 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 03:17 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has joined #openbsd 03:21 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:21 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has joined #openbsd 03:24 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 03:25 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has joined #openbsd 03:32 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 03:33 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has joined #openbsd 03:35 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 03:36 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@111.85.83.74] has quit [Client Quit] 03:40 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:45 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 03:51 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:51 -!- sdds [~sdds@user/sdds] has joined #openbsd 03:52 -!- bsd4me [~bsduser@user/bsd4me] has quit [Quit: First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. 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Easy: pkg_add, and chsh they said 13:20 < zelest> Oddmonger, it comes with a shell though? :P 13:20 < Oddmonger> when i put /bin/bash in cssh, it dosn't work (no shell). So i'd like to list package 13:20 < zelest> oh, change.. I read "now I'd like to get a shell" :D nvm 13:20 < IcePic> Oddmonger: pkg_add will not stick files in /bin 13:21 < IcePic> Oddmonger: packages end up under /usr/local, so look for bash there, and give chsh a valid working path and not just some random path that some other OS might be using 13:21 < Oddmonger> is it possible to list package files ? Or should i find the tgz ? 13:21 < Oddmonger> IcePic: ksh is not a package, then ? 13:22 < IcePic> "find /usr/local -name bash" should point it out to be in /usr/local/bin 13:22 < IcePic> Oddmonger: no 13:22 < CosmicDJ> ksh could be a pkg... https://openbsd.app/?search=ksh 13:22 < IcePic> Oddmonger: openbsd makes a difference between the base system and extras. ksh is in base, bash is among the extras 13:23 < Oddmonger> so thanks for your answers, but is it possible to list package content with pkg_* command ? 13:23 < souji> Oddmonger: pkg_info -Q 13:23 < souji> this will list the packages mathing 13:23 < Oddmonger> thank you 13:23 < IcePic> souji: that was not was what asked for 13:24 < Oddmonger> ah no, indeed 13:24 < Oddmonger> i had seen it in the faq, moreover ^^ 13:24 < souji> oh ok, mb then 13:24 < IcePic> pkg_info -L bash would list it 13:24 < IcePic> from manpage: -L Show the files within each package. 13:25 < Oddmonger> yes i had missed it 13:25 < souji> Ohhh I though you wanted to search for a package.... lol 13:27 -!- sunwind [~paradox@host217-39-234-58.range217-39.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openbsd 13:29 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Quit: "To play for a draw [...] is to some degree a crime against chess." -- Mikhail Tal] 13:33 -!- gsg [126ea99f6f@irc.pico.sh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33 -!- bytesbyte [~byte@user/bytesbyte] has joined #openbsd 13:34 -!- gsg [126ea99f6f@irc.pico.sh] has joined #openbsd 13:34 -!- tercaL [~tercaL@user/tercal] has quit [Quit: enter the Tekken!] 13:36 -!- martin_ [nobody@84-52-249.35.3p.ntebredband.no] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.8] 13:36 < vortexx> Oddmonger: you have to add /usr/local/bin/bash to /etc/shells before doing chsh 13:36 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-171-96-204-6.revip8.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 13:36 < sonya> Oddmonger: now i'd like to change the shell. - use # usermod -s (man 8 usermod) for this task.. and consider # pkg_add pkglocatedb - for an easy search for a needed packages/binaries (man 1 pkglocate) 13:38 < Oddmonger> i was lucky, it has worked without i had to add bash in /etc/shells 13:38 < vortexx> Oddmonger: also make sure you're not using bash as your root user shell, if you need to boot single mode it won't work because /usr/local won't be mounted (with a default disk layout, if you're doing one big partition you're fine but insecure) 13:38 < Oddmonger> it must be added by pkg_add 13:40 < phy1729> vortexx: pretty sure @shell bin/bash in PLIST does that 13:41 < vortexx> phy1729: so it does 13:42 < IcePic> if I was to force bash onto the root account, I would have it as a part of the ksh start up script, so first check that bash is available, then exec bash. This way one would survive single-user mode and so on 13:43 < Oddmonger> ah i should leave ksh to root then 13:46 < phy1729> IcePic: "Enter pathname of shell or RETURN for sh: " 13:47 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has joined #openbsd 13:47 < IcePic> Oddmonger: I think a certain amount of people come to obsd and do some work to get bash in there, and as time progresses find out that ksh is more or less ok for serious shell stuff anyhow 13:47 -!- martin_ [nobody@84-52-249.35.3p.ntebredband.no] has joined #openbsd 13:48 -!- morte [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 13:48 < Oddmonger> i don't close door to ksh, but before i'd like to be comfortable for getting accents, working nvim, and so 13:48 < Oddmonger> so i need a shell i know for that 13:48 < oldlaptop> If you don't have an extensive pile of bash completion scripts or something, I don't see much reason to *care* whether the interactive shell is openbsd ksh or bash 13:49 < oldlaptop> scripts could be a bit different (although I'm inclined to think scripts that need bash should't be in any bourneoid shell) 13:49 < oldlaptop> re listing package contents, see also https://openports.pl/path/databases/pkglocatedb 13:50 < oldlaptop> (and https://openports.pl/path/databases/sqlports while you're at it, especially if you speak sql) 13:50 < Oddmonger> well export PS1="\w\\$" seems to work in ksh 13:50 < Oddmonger> that was my biggest concern :þ 13:51 < IcePic> oldlaptop: even if you have tons of (supposedly portable) bash scripts, they should have #!/usr/bin/env bash as a first line to work on all kinds of OSes 13:52 < oldlaptop> yes, totally orthogonal question to what $user's shell it 13:52 < oldlaptop> *is 13:53 < oldlaptop> unless you habitually just source scripts in the running shell for some reason, I guess? 13:53 < oldlaptop> good way to generate interesting mysteries for yourself 13:53 < phy1729> As long as we all agree to rm -rf src/bin/csh :p 13:54 -!- rpratt [~rpratt@104-153-34-238.cpe.safelink.net] has joined #openbsd 13:54 < IcePic> phy1729: agreed 13:55 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 13:55 < oldlaptop> why *haven't* "they" all agreed to do that, I wonder? 13:56 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has joined #openbsd 13:56 < oldlaptop> I guess it'd be kind of sad in a sense to kill off one of the first pieces of BSD. 13:56 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:57 -!- morte [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:57 < phy1729> I've been told some of the senior devs still use it 13:58 -!- fspax [~fspax@31.135.234.244] has joined #openbsd 13:58 < oldlaptop> something about accounting for taste, I guess? 13:59 < oldlaptop> hard to change 30 years of muscle memory 14:01 -!- frkzoid [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cff0-a5f0-0d72-098e-d8d4-f085.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 14:02 -!- freakazoid332 [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cff0-a5f0-d00c-2e1d-0477-423c.inf6.spectrum.com] has joined #openbsd 14:05 -!- frkazoid333 [~frkazoid3@syn-035-145-250-165.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:05 -!- at_work [~at_work@user/at-work/x-5282331] has joined #openbsd 14:06 -!- frkzoid [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cff0-a5f0-0d72-098e-d8d4-f085.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:08 -!- freakazoid332 [~frkazoid3@2603-9000-cff0-a5f0-d00c-2e1d-0477-423c.inf6.spectrum.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:10 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 14:12 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:15 -!- brainbomb [~brainbomb@gw-sk2-d1.nrw.de] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 14:18 -!- struchu [~struchu@62.87.192.114] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.4] 14:24 -!- struchu [~struchu@62.87.192.114] has joined #openbsd 14:24 -!- format_c [~format_c@2a02:b98:f181:4094:f550:7488:2d5:5ffa] has joined #openbsd 14:24 -!- wildbee [uid653640@id-653640.ilkley.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 14:27 -!- djames [~djames@user/djames/x-9001197] has quit [Quit: My Unrecognized Mac has gone to sleep. 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If it's specific to Bash, then your script just sucks. 15:02 < phy1729> That's just false. There are bashisms worth using (though I'd prefer zshisms). 15:03 -!- zorz [~zorz@user/zorz] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:04 < Bradipo> If there are bashisms worth using, I wouldn't know what they are since I've apparently never needed them. 15:04 -!- zorz [~zorz@user/zorz] has joined #openbsd 15:04 < phy1729> Arrays come to mind 15:06 < sonya> phy1729: ksh93 is darn good at 'arrays', 'multilline' and search-history with default Ctl+R :)) 15:07 < phy1729> arrays aren't POSIX sh which is what /bin/sh implies 15:10 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Quit: lavaball] 15:10 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 15:11 < sonya> well.. the way of array works in current ksh/pdksh leads straight to ksh93.. whatever.. imho.. 15:21 < afresh1> tux0r: nobody was interested -- https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=162120435916828&w=2 15:23 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.72.164] has joined #openbsd 15:25 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.136.72.164] has quit [Client Quit] 15:26 -!- ProfessionalDesk [~Professio@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has joined #openbsd 15:28 -!- bagatur-wrk [~bagatur@user/bagatur] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:30 -!- vesper [~jdoe@gateway/tor-sasl/vesper] has joined #openbsd 15:32 -!- fspax [~fspax@31.135.234.244] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:32 -!- ProfessionalDesk is now known as no_warranty 15:32 -!- no_warranty [~Professio@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has left #openbsd [] 15:32 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has joined #openbsd 15:33 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has quit [Changing host] 15:33 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@user/no-warranty:20562] has joined #openbsd 15:35 < no_warranty> Hello. I just got into cwm, but cannot find a way to raise a window when I click on it. Is there a config line for this? 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Channels that begin with two or more # characters are for informal channels (e.g. ##chat).” 18:19 < quinq> ok, not actually what I said 18:20 < quinq> But an official group could claim property of a single-# channel if they don't own it yet 18:21 < quinq> “If your channel fits the above criteria and you are or have the official blessing of someone who is able to speak for the project or group, then you would qualify for an on-topic project channel. If your channel fits the above criteria but is otherwise unofficial, then you would qualify for an on-topic community channel.” 18:22 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1000:d274:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has joined #openbsd 18:22 -!- djames [~djames@user/djames/x-9001197] has quit [Quit: My Unrecognized Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:23 < mischief> there's enough devs here, i'm sure they could get it 'endorsed' ;-) 18:23 < phy1729> It was official/not on freenode. It's more topical/non-topical on libera. 18:23 < quinq> afaik it's been refused several times, mischief 18:23 -!- namaste [~namaste@user/xyk] has joined #openbsd 18:23 < quinq> (I may be mistaken though) 18:23 < phy1729> I'm pretty sure the project wants nothing to do with the channel. 18:24 < quinq> yeah 18:24 -!- djames [~djames@user/djames/x-9001197] has joined #openbsd 18:24 < quinq> Also because there was a time when it was more plagued with aggressive behavior 18:25 < phy1729> (They could still register so devs get openbsd/ cloaks and ignore the channel, but not my circus.) 18:25 < quinq> Nowadays people seem to be a bit more “adult” 18:26 < mischief> i think there was kind of a reverse eternal september with all the new waves of social media platforms arriving 18:34 -!- d-ra [~d-ra@user/d-ra] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36 -!- brainbomb [~brainbomb@gw-sk2-d1.nrw.de] has joined #openbsd 18:43 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@user/no-warranty:20562] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 18:45 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has quit [Changing host] 18:45 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@user/no-warranty:20562] has joined #openbsd 18:48 -!- WhyPok [~WhyPok@lfbn-dij-1-1217-bdcst.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 18:49 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 18:50 -!- WhyPok [~WhyPok@lfbn-dij-1-1217-bdcst.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Client Quit] 18:52 -!- fro [fro@humpty.dance] has joined #openbsd 18:53 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:58 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@lfbn-lyo-1-1454-239.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:59 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@lfbn-lyo-1-1454-239.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 18:59 -!- brainbomb [~brainbomb@gw-sk2-d1.nrw.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00 -!- jlmk [~jlmk@user/jlmk] has joined #openbsd 19:10 -!- gce108 [~gce@user/gce108] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:17 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 19:18 -!- ForeverNoob[m] [~weechat@user/ForeverNoobm:35570] has joined #openbsd 19:19 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:19 -!- pstef [~pstef@user/pstef] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19 < ForeverNoob[m]> RobbieAB: re: During downtime. So here's what I'm dealing with. Say I have network-exposed service 1, but also 2 and 3. If my priority is security, I would immediately have to restart the service / reboot after updating any relevant files. 19:19 < ForeverNoob[m]> On my Alpine server, it looks like this: if [ "$(echo $update_output | grep -i 'linux-\|ssl\|ssh')" ] ; then update_and_reboot.sh ; fi 19:19 < ForeverNoob[m]> Meaning, everytime a packagename containing "linux", "ssl" and/or "ssh" get updated, it will do so, and then reboot when done. 19:20 < ForeverNoob[m]> Considering my uptime is important too (though a bit less important than security), I'd also like to have as much of it as reasonably possible while still being able to focus on security. 19:20 < ForeverNoob[m]> So this means, that with every addition of a network-exposed service, it also multiplies the amount of downtime. So that would mean that if we have total likelihood downtime (d), update frequency of network-exposed service (f), then it would look something like d = f1 * f2 * f3 etc. 19:20 < ForeverNoob[m]> But dunno, that's the theory I came up with while being pretty baked, so I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on this. 19:20 -!- WhyPok [~WhyPok@lfbn-dij-1-1217-bdcst.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 19:20 -!- pstef [~pstef@user/pstef] has joined #openbsd 19:21 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055:cbbb:5a05:5c17:354f] has joined #openbsd 19:30 -!- PyR3X [~PyR3X@user/pyr3x] has quit [Quit: quit] 19:31 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 19:31 -!- PyR3X [~PyR3X@user/pyr3x] has joined #openbsd 19:34 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@user/no-warranty:20562] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 19:40 -!- mlw [~mlw@41.223.180.4] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:52 -!- ghane [~ghane@81.92.220.126] has quit [Changing host] 19:52 -!- ghane [~ghane@user/ghane] has joined #openbsd 19:54 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has joined #openbsd 19:55 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.92] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.92] has joined #openbsd 20:01 -!- fspax [~fspax@31.135.234.244] has joined #openbsd 20:01 -!- d5k [~d5k@p4ff78089.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 20:03 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1000:d274:1e6f:65ff:fe88:557f] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:04 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06 -!- vbotka_ [~vbotka@92.245.202.144] has joined #openbsd 20:06 -!- vbotka_ [~vbotka@92.245.202.144] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10 -!- adig_ [~default@109.166.137.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:11 -!- zimmer__ [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 20:13 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:16 -!- adig [~default@109.166.137.120] has joined #openbsd 20:16 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 20:16 -!- djames [~djames@user/djames/x-9001197] has quit [Quit: My Unrecognized Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 21:22 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has joined #openbsd 21:22 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@23-92-16-163.ip.linodeusercontent.com] has quit [Changing host] 21:22 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@user/no-warranty:20562] has joined #openbsd 21:29 -!- visl [visl@user/visl] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:31 -!- visl [visl@user/visl] has joined #openbsd 21:32 -!- shored1 [~shored@user/shored] has joined #openbsd 21:32 -!- shored [~shored@user/shored] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:33 < jrmu> pkal: https://wiki.ircnow.org/index.php?n=Relayd.TLSMulti 21:33 -!- bsd4me [~bsduser@user/bsd4me] has joined #openbsd 21:34 < jrmu> I need to fix up the guide but it did work for me 21:36 < pkal> jrmu: that looks good, I'll try it out tomorrow. thanks! 21:37 < jrmu> sure you're welcome 21:37 -!- user24037 [~user47239@user/user282069] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1] 21:41 -!- down200 [~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 21:42 -!- down200 [~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu] has joined #openbsd 21:44 -!- down200 [~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50 -!- djames [~djames@user/djames/x-9001197] has joined #openbsd 21:54 -!- f6k [f6k@otaku.sdf.org] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:55 -!- psydroid2 [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:56 -!- down200 [~down200@shell.lug.mtu.edu] has joined #openbsd 21:57 -!- emma_ [~emma@user/emmatebibyte] has joined #openbsd 21:57 -!- emma_ is now known as emmatebibyte 21:58 < emmatebibyte> hi there. i was wondering if anyone know how i can get pinentry-tty 21:58 < emmatebibyte> it doesnt seem to come with the standard installation of pinentry/gnupg 22:00 -!- no_warranty [~no_warran@user/no-warranty:20562] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 22:02 < uwharrie> you'd have to compile it yourself 22:02 -!- djames [~djames@user/djames/x-9001197] has quit [Quit: My Unrecognized Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:04 < Bradipo> All I know is that gnupg's new way of prompting for passwords leaves much to be desired. 22:05 < Bradipo> It leaves sensitive data on the terminal. 22:05 < ForeverNoob[m]> GPG in and of itself leaves much to be desired. 22:05 < Bradipo> Sad, but true I suppose. 22:06 < ForeverNoob[m]> One of the ways you can flush out terminal memory is to first open it inside a tmux pane / window, do sensitive stuff there, and then close that pane / window. 22:09 < Bradipo> Yeah, or just open a single xterm with no other purpose. 22:09 < Bradipo> But it only started with newer versions of OpenBSD. Not sure what GnuPG enabled, but it's kind of ugly. 22:09 < Bradipo> Maybe I'm doing it wrong. 22:10 < ForeverNoob[m]> (Assuming you have X installed and running :)) 22:10 < Bradipo> But it happens because gnupg now insists on putting up some kind of prompt in the terminal (not a standard stdin prompt but a fancy prompt). 22:11 < Bradipo> So if you do something like: gnupg -d xyz.gpg | grep something 22:11 < ForeverNoob[m]> Yeah I remember being pissed at GPG for requiring an external pinentry app a few years ago. 22:11 < Bradipo> It uses the alternate screen to display the dialog, but then it gets messed up if you pipe it to less (because less also changes the alternate screen). 22:11 -!- WhyPok [~WhyPok@lfbn-dij-1-1217-bdcst.w92-141.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: /kill WeeChat 4.2.1] 22:11 < Bradipo> So all of your sensitive data ends up both in less *and* on your terminal. 22:12 < Bradipo> So I just have to close the terminal. 22:12 < Bradipo> But yes, the external pinentry is kind of lame in my opinion. 22:12 < Bradipo> Maybe it's more secure? I don't know. 22:12 -!- metavoid [~80blocks@user/metavoid] has joined #openbsd 22:13 < emmatebibyte> i see 22:13 < ForeverNoob[m]> According to GPG devs it is. 22:14 < ForeverNoob[m]> And then there's this: https://old.reddit.com/r/GnuPG/comments/1cspu7i/help_accidentally_deleted_some_of_my_private_keys/ 22:14 < Bradipo> That's when backups are important. 22:15 < ForeverNoob[m]> Sometimes I wonder if they deliberately make the UX as hostile as possible for their users. 22:17 < emmatebibyte> so what is the reason pinentry-tty isnt included with pinentry and also not available as a package? 22:17 < ForeverNoob[m]> So pretty much the first fundamental thing I learned in my first lessons about pubkey crypto... that pubkey is mathematically derived from the privkey, does not apply to GPG because in order to recreate the pubkey you also need to have a timestamp, a haystack and blood of a virgin goat. 22:17 < emmatebibyte> the gtk and qt frontends are available ;-; 22:17 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:18 < Bradipo> emmatebibyte: I wonder what the difference is between pinenetry-tty and the kind of prompt it's already doing now? 22:18 < ForeverNoob[m]> AFAIK there's also pinentry-curses if you want to stay in terminal. 22:18 < Bradipo> Maybe it's pinentry-curses that's the cause of my woes. 22:18 < emmatebibyte> > the kind of prompt it's already doing now? 22:18 < Bradipo> If pinentry-tty is just a basic tty prompt (like it used to be), then that's probably what I've been used to. 22:18 < emmatebibyte> Bradipo: i dont know the prompt 22:19 < emmatebibyte> i should probably test the default one i suppose 22:19 < uwharrie> I tend to wrap all calls to gpg in a script that ensure GPG_TTY is correctly set, otherwise pinentry-curses makes a mess 22:19 < emmatebibyte> i put GPG_TTY in .env but /bin/sh doesnt seem to source it on start 22:20 < Bradipo> I usually: export ENV=${HOME}/.kshrc 22:20 < Bradipo> Then in ~/.kshrc I put the things I want in my shell. 22:20 < Bradipo> ENV is defined in ~/.profile 22:21 < Bradipo> ENV goes defined in ~/.profile rather. 22:22 < Bradipo> All documented in ksh(1) of course. 22:22 < Bradipo> If you want .env sourced, you could do: export ENV=${HOME}/.env 22:22 < emmatebibyte> i see 22:23 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:23 < emmatebibyte> im going to reboot :P 22:23 < emmatebibyte> i will probably be back 22:24 -!- emmatebibyte [~emma@user/emmatebibyte] has quit [Quit: nyaa~] 22:28 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@178.220.27.246] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.3] 22:37 -!- sunwind [~paradox@host217-39-234-58.range217-39.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Outside Context Problem.] 22:37 -!- harkaitz|1 [~harkaitz|@user/harkaitz] has joined #openbsd 22:41 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has joined #openbsd 22:44 -!- sunwind [~paradox@host217-39-234-58.range217-39.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openbsd 22:45 -!- format_c [~format_c@2a02:b98:f181:4094:f550:7488:2d5:5ffa] has joined #openbsd 22:47 -!- sunwind [~paradox@host217-39-234-58.range217-39.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:53 -!- avemestr [~avemestr@static.237.84.140.128.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openbsd 22:55 -!- lbia [~lbia@user/lbia] has joined #openbsd 22:55 -!- rez [~rez@user/rez] has joined #openbsd 22:56 -!- emmatebibyte [~emma@user/emmatebibyte] has joined #openbsd 22:56 < emmatebibyte> good morning 22:56 < emmatebibyte> im using pinentry-curses for now 22:58 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.3.3] 23:01 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has joined #openbsd 23:03 -!- bsd4me [~bsduser@user/bsd4me] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03 -!- Janicious [~Janicious@user/Janicious] has joined #openbsd 23:04 -!- bsd4me [~bsduser@user/bsd4me] has joined #openbsd 23:06 -!- sonya [~nologin@gateway/tor-sasl/sonya] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07 -!- typicat [~iam@user/typicat] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:13 -!- Janicious [~Janicious@user/Janicious] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 23:14 < emmatebibyte> does anyone know why it is that OpenBSD's pinentry package doesnt come with pinentry-tty? 23:14 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055:cbbb:5a05:5c17:354f] has quit [Quit: Got to go. irctk 1.1.0-alpha] 23:14 < emmatebibyte> or at least why it isnt packaged separately 23:14 -!- Janicious [~Janicious@user/Janicious] has joined #openbsd 23:14 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 23:18 < Janicious> Hello together, sorry for asking again, but last time you helped me alot, for my game mod, i'm paying a artist on fiverr, need the most known photo of theo de raadt (for those who dont have seen my last message, im modding a game, which Theo de raadt is the god of computers).... I promise thats my last question. 23:20 < Janicious> i know, just a small detail, but i love details... 23:27 -!- rez [~rez@user/rez] has quit [Quit: much snoozes...] 23:36 < fro> this seems like a really bad troll 23:37 < Janicious> why? 23:38 -!- lbia [~lbia@user/lbia] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:38 -!- aesthetikx [~aesthetik@c-107-5-17-250.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 23:40 < tux0r> vortexx: "p5-*" works, but if you dont think of it in time, it's hard :) 23:42 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p548542d2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:42 < Janicious> fro, its just a question, if you dont agree i should ask, just kick me 23:43 < fro> OR 23:43 < fro> i could just do what i already did 23:43 < fro> because it's done 23:43 < Janicious> yes? 23:44 < Janicious> why i'm a troll, becaues i invest love, time and money to mod a game? 23:47 < Janicious> and asking the openbsd community, who have much more ideas about some things? 23:47 -!- typicat [~iam@user/typicat] has joined #openbsd 23:50 -!- format_c [~format_c@2a02:b98:f181:4094:f550:7488:2d5:5ffa] has quit [Quit: format_c] 23:53 < Janicious> Political discussions and other incendiary topics are unwelcome. ^ 23:54 < Janicious> what did i wrong? whats wrong with you? 23:57 < quinq> Janicious, https://www.google.com/search?q=theo+de+raadt&hl=en&udm=2&tbs=qdr:y 23:57 < Janicious> yeah, i saw this, but which is most known of him? 23:59 < quinq> Maybe that one https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/torvaldsnvidia-640x424.jpg 23:59 -!- adip [~adip@c159-63.icpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] --- Log closed Sat Jul 20 00:00:02 2024