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02:39 < PyR3X> building a port and 'make fake' puts the file fake-amd64/etc/blah/someconfig.conf how do I edit PLIST to make this a sample in /usr/local/share/examples/blah/someconfig.conf
02:39 < PyR3X> playing with @sample I can't get it right
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02:54 < rnkn> what are #openbsd's recommendations for process supervisors, if any?
02:55 < rnkn> os is it just a case of running `rcctl check PROC || rcctl restart PROC` as a cronjob
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03:30 < rnkn> *or
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03:43 < oldlaptop> rnkn: There's at least runit in ports (though I can't say any more than that about runit on openbsd).
03:44 < oldlaptop> I'm sure there are usecases wher your cronjob would be a perfectly fine fit.
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03:53 < rnkn> it's just that gotwebd sometimes dies when I run out of swap
03:54 < rnkn> (I have 256 MB of swap)
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06:53 < bountyht> oldlaptop: Does runit actually count as a process supervisor? I have not played with it for a while but I don't remember it having any mechanism for reporting or restarting services and such
06:53 < bountyht> which I find fitting, because the point of runit was being small and simple :-P
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07:07 < quinq> bountyht, that's exactly what it is/does https://smarden.org/runit/
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07:35 < access> Whenever I use the syspatch command, the local openbsd sound disappears every time.
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07:44 < avemestr> Sounds strange.
07:45 < byteskeptical> access: you mean the bell?
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07:49 < access> sound device
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07:57 < access> errr meaning sysupgrade, pkg_add -uU
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08:06 < access> my sound device missing :s
08:07 < access> fixed
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09:28 < rnkn> are there any gotchas to configuring dovecot-pigeonhole? I've checked everything a dozen times and I still can't trigger a sieve script...
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09:40 < betabug> I remember it took me a while to get it running, but don't really remember what the problems were
09:40 < quinq>  I have   sieve = file:~/sieve;active=~/.dovecot.sieve
09:40 < quinq> in /etc/dovecot/conf.d/90-sieve.conf
09:40 < betabug> probably some permission problems ... there are always those
09:41 < quinq> -rw-r--r--  1 quinq  quinq  7308 Jul 17  2023 .dovecot.sieve
09:41 < betabug> I wouldn't be able to remember now what's needed there
09:42 < betabug> I followed the tutorial for openbsd smtpd IIRC
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09:47 < dennis> betabug: which tutorial is "the tutorial"? :)
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09:53 < betabug> hmmm
09:53 < betabug> https://poolp.org/posts/2019-09-14/setting-up-a-mail-server-with-opensmtpd-dovecot-and-rspamd/
09:53 < betabug> I think it was that one
10:01 < rnkn> I'm pretty sure I've followed all those steps, and I just have a sieve script saying if true { fileinto "Test"; } but it's not triggering (i.e. nothing in logs)
10:03 < rnkn> only thing is when I run sievec I get 'Debug: open(/proc/self/stat) failed: No such file or directory' which seems to suggest it's thinking it's a linux system
10:04 < rnkn> ("all those steps" in this case means the poolp.org article)
10:08 < rnkn> quinq / betabug: do you think you could possibly pastebin me your smtpd.conf if it doesn't contain private info please?
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10:10 < rnkn> okay, my problem is lda is not being called
10:11 < rnkn> (or lmtp)
10:17 < rnkn> my smtpd.conf: https://rnkn.xyz/pb/58f8
10:22 < quinq> Indeed, you're not sending emails to dovecot
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10:38 < rnkn> quinq: I'm not? I am receiving mail... :/
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10:42 < quinq> But not with dovecot
10:42 < quinq> It's smtpd directly putting them in the maildir, as you configured it for
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10:45 < rnkn> hmm how embarrassing 
10:47 < quinq> Don't be :)
10:50 < rnkn> okay it's working now
10:50 < rnkn> thanks!
10:50 < rnkn> I was going nuts thinking it was a dovecot config thing
10:54 < quinq> nice!
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12:42 < klsrqm> hello all
12:44 < klsrqm> a quick networking / vm related question: i'm learning to set up vm's with vmctl, and i'm looking at the networking side. it's on a laptop using wifi (bwfm0). is it better to create a tun or tap device?
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12:53 < sibiria> can the vmm even create tunnel interfaces?
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12:53 < klsrqm> according to the man page, yeah
12:53 < klsrqm> -L
12:53 < klsrqm> oh sorry
12:53 < klsrqm> that's for tap
12:53 < klsrqm> well, i don't know. :) 
12:54 < sibiria> i'm not sure a tunnel interface even makes sense unless the hypervisor has an internal network address translator
12:54 < sibiria> (like virtualbox does, for example)
12:55 < sibiria> for all i know, vmm only spawns tap(4) interfaces
12:55 < sibiria> optionally bridges
12:55 < klsrqm> ah, thanks! i was only wondering about the part where it said "tap creates a virtual ETHERNET" interface; while "tun creates a virtual NETWORK interface". i was wondering whether tap is specific to the ethernet port...
12:56 < sibiria> what man-page?
12:56 < klsrqm> man tap and man tun
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12:57 < dennis> vm.conf(5) only mentions tap, no tun. It's probably best to go with what's documented. No reason to deviate unless you know what you're doing.
12:57 < klsrqm> NAME
12:57 < klsrqm>      tap – Ethernet tunnel pseudo-device
12:57 < sibiria> right but those are the manual pages for the device drivers. they are not immediately connected to the hypervisor
12:57 < klsrqm> NAME
12:57 < klsrqm>      tun – network tunnel pseudo-device
12:58 < klsrqm> dennis: thank you!
12:58 < klsrqm> sibiria: gotcha. thanks everyone!
12:58 < klsrqm> i think the networking at the moment is the least of my woes, apparently i forgot to attach a bootable disk :D
12:58 < klsrqm> but... it's all learning!
12:58 < dennis> (:
12:59 < dennis> I found the FAQ to be pretty helpful when I started out with virtualization
12:59 < klsrqm> thanks, i will read through it. i was only going on man pages.
12:59 < klsrqm> i have to say tho, OpenBSD's man pages are _excellent_
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13:00 < klsrqm> they're so clear and easy to follow
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13:14 < klsrqm> hmm. so i managed to boot up a simple Alpine image, but i don't seem to have a network interface in the guest. 
13:15 < klsrqm> I run: $ doas vmctl start -L -i 1 -d alpine.qcow2 -r ./alpine-vm.iso alpine -- then i log in via cu. running ifconfig in the guest returns no interfaces.
13:15 < klsrqm> what am i missing?
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13:19 < vortexx> klsrqm: you can't bridge 802.11* interfaces to VMs, you have to use NAT
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13:23 < klsrqm> thanks vortexx 
13:24 < aaronm04> does vmm still have that thing going on where alpine guests have clock drift unless you install a special kernel module?
13:24 < klsrqm> woah. :D
13:26 < aaronm04> very large clock drift. IIRC too large for NTP to correct for
13:26 < aaronm04> but that was a few years ago
13:28 < klsrqm> so man says for NAT to work i need to enable ip forwarding. i ran $doas sysctl net.inet.ip.forwarding=1; which seems to have worked, but i am wondering, will the change persist or do i need to edit a config file somewhere?
13:28 < aaronm04> it won't persist. I believe the command line argument to that has to be added to /etc/sysctl.conf
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13:30 < klsrqm> thanks aaronm04, did so, let's see... just gonna reboot quickly
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13:32 < klsrqm> it persisted :)
13:33 < klsrqm> i mean, with the config file
13:33 < klsrqm> thanks aaronm04 
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14:21 < klsrqm> is it possible to work around the 802.11 bridging limitation by creating a trunk interface, and bridge the trunk interface and vm guests?
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15:48 < uwharrie> the faq has info on using veb/vport
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15:57 < mccd> Hey, I currently need go-delve for debugging go programs for work. I am curious, would it be possible to make use of vmd to emulate linux/freebsd for this purpose?
15:57 < quinq> Sure
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16:06 < vortexx> linux certainly, not sure freebsd is supported?
16:07 < mccd> well I'd just need one of them. That's great, thanks
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19:16 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240721165445 some good news on the hw video decoding front
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19:16 < vortexx> Libva's VA-API (Video Acceleration API) imported into xenocara
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20:04 < topcat001> this is fantastic news
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20:20 < emmanuelux> hi, basic question, website like https://browserleaks.com/dns print dns that the browser use, but could the browser can return this info to the website (with the javascript test ?) I dont think else it is a security pb 
20:29 < quinq> Apparently mine is secure, it says “n/a (no js)”
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20:33 < emmanuelux> is js can send to the server (website) what is had displayed in the browser ? i dont think
20:37 < sibiria> the browser can't know what resolvers are ultimately used
20:39 < sibiria> the way it works on that test is that it asks your browser to "surf to" a number of unique hosts under its control, and it checks what resolvers are doing the lookups
20:40 < phy1729> The IP isn't in the DNS response, so the backend has to figure it out and send it to the client.
20:40 < sibiria> JS not needed to perform the test. the entire test can be pre-rendered server-side
20:40 < sibiria> and would perform identically
20:41 < phy1729> JS is just needed to show the client the result
20:42 < emmanuelux> but any website could do the same and see the dns we use ? 
20:43 < phy1729> Yeah
20:43 < sibiria> yes and no. they'd have to set up the same sort of test and be in control of the DNS server of the "test hosts" they ask your browser to visit
20:45 < sibiria> it's a forensic setup, and anyone can do it if they really want this data from the visitors
20:45 < emmanuelux> OK i don't know it was possible so easely
20:49 < sibiria> if you tell the browser <img src="https://dJRs84jEd9295fZqrgs.ourtestthingy.com/poop.png"> then, well, someone is gonna make a DNS query for that hostname and it's gonna be you :)
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20:51 < quinq> That website is broken
20:51 < quinq> It just gives the public resolvers of my ISP, which are not used
20:52 < quinq> It's a scam
20:53 < sibiria> works great for me. tells me all of my dns-over-tls resolvers i forward to
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20:53 < quinq> weird
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20:54 < sibiria> the test is specifically to make sure your browser is really using the resolvers you tell it (and your system) to use
20:56 < quinq> I did check with wireshark, it queries my local gateway
20:56 < quinq> Which doesn't use my ISP dns servers
20:56 < quinq> Though that's what this website says
20:56 < emmanuelux> this one is good too : https://ipleak.net/
20:56 < emmanuelux> it shows ipv6 dns too
20:58 < quinq> Ahhh
20:58 < quinq> I think I missed the context of that conversation
20:58 < quinq> “In this context, with "DNS leak" we mean an unencrypted DNS query sent by your system OUTSIDE the established VPN tunnel.
20:58 < quinq> Yeah, I'm not using a VPN, it just prints random dns server
20:59 < sibiria> i'm not using a VPN either
20:59 < quinq> So that test is null
20:59 < phy1729> It prints my IP for me since I run unbound on the gateway. You might want to double check your setup.
21:01 < emmanuelux> same, i run unbound so websites can see that I use unbound, good to know
21:02 < sibiria> i run unbound but i forward all queries to other resolvers. my unbound doesn't iterate anything on its own
21:02 < quinq> That just means that you leak dns
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21:03 < emmanuelux> yes I leak my dns, but I use vpn too
21:04 < byteskeptical> not in all circumstances it seems
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21:04 < quinq> They also give the usual bullshit IP-based geolocation
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21:04 < quinq> “Accuracy Radius: 200 KM” fail.
21:05  * oldlaptop has seen that either get within a few miles or think I'm actually in the middle of a swamp a hundred miles away
21:05 < oldlaptop> depending on the exact ISP and its exact network arrangements at the time
21:05 < sibiria> for me it alternates between finding my city (but no specifics) or the address of the head office of my particular ISP
21:06 < oldlaptop> (the rural fiber outfit based in the town down the road made for pretty accurate guesses)
21:06 < oldlaptop> (because "the head office" is in the town down the road)
21:06 < quinq> What about the ass office ?
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21:06 < oldlaptop> This outfit was (and is) too small to afford an ass office
21:07 < oldlaptop> verizon or whoever has an ass office across from the bar
21:07 < sibiria> thank god JS (so far) can't see that you're on wifi and see the nwid
21:08 < sibiria> i bet google are already working on it for chrome, just to give users "a richer experience" in conjunction with wifi-assisted geolocation
21:08  * oldlaptop would be mildly surprised to investigate and discover that actually it can see the nwid already
21:08 < emmanuelux> sibiria, you forward your dns query to a vps for example ? 
21:08 < oldlaptop> (except that probably wouldn't work on openbsd \o/)
21:09 < sibiria> emmanuelux: not a vps, i don't run a resolver of my own, but i forward (over TLS) to a few various public resolvers
21:09 < sibiria> quad9 and such
21:09 < oldlaptop> s/can/can't I should say
21:10 < emmanuelux> i use quad9 too for vpn dns
21:10 < oldlaptop> i.e. I bet (with low confidence) there's already some js interface to interrogate that
21:11 < oldlaptop> maybe the privacy implications would be so obvious that what's left of the 'standards process' would actually object, and google would then proceed to quietly do it as a vendor extension
21:11 < sibiria> chrome would be the main suspect
21:11 < PyR3X> when using unveil how do I start with not allowing anything? is it unveil(NULL,"") or?
21:11 < oldlaptop> (as, uh, they've apparently been caught doing already? something about the damn thing whitelisting google-owned domains for some zooty new feature)
21:12 < phy1729> If you don't need any files, just don't pledge {r,w,c,d}path
21:13 < PyR3X> I want to start with unveil not allowing anything and incrementally add things as config files are determined
21:13 < PyR3X> and then disable it with unveil(NULL,NULL) 
21:13 < oldlaptop> IMO the better approach would be the classic pledge thing of starting with reasonably complete access, opening the files you need, and then dropping foopath entirely
21:13 < oldlaptop> if that is compatible with the program's operating mode, anyway
21:14 < PyR3X> ahh okay
21:14 < oldlaptop> if you need to be opening and closing files under /some/random/place in operation that could be different
21:15 < PyR3X> its /var/log/myprog.log and potentially another log file depending on configuration so I'll only unveil those files
21:15 < PyR3X> but I thought I'd start up front with an unveil to nothing and add them
21:15 < oldlaptop> perhaps consider using syslog instead also
21:16 < oldlaptop> (or perhaps you want that configurable)
21:16 < PyR3X> I'm pledging a port
21:16 < oldlaptop> Ah.
21:16 < thrig> unveil to nothing is the end state, not something you do first (unless you're blocking everything)
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21:17 < oldlaptop> but if you're blocking anything why aren't you making a pledge without foopath?
21:20 < PyR3X> so if the log is opened early enough and all locations for write are known after config loading then I just pledge for dns stdio wpath wpwpand set unveil to null null I think
21:20 < brynet> There are a handful of examples in base that cannot pledge for a variety of reasons that do unveil("/", "") it is fine.
21:23 < brynet> Of course, if you *can* use pledge, and can move things around to open files up front to be able to drop rpath/wpath, that is better. But that's probably not the case when applying this to an existing port.
21:24 < brynet> Unless for very simple ports. :-)
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21:25 < PyR3X> this might be simple enough the logs are opened early after config reading
21:26 < quinq> I must be tired…
21:27 < quinq> That dnsleaks gives my gateway resolver IP too, not my ISP
21:27 < quinq> werks as expected by RFC
21:27 < PyR3X> is there a nomenclature in the Makefile metadata or otherwise to indicate a port is pledged
21:28 < PyR3X> I've seen come make a comment #pledge on WANTLIB
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21:38 < dostoyevsky2> I want to crosscompile Rust from Linux to OpenBSD... but `rustup target add' has no option for OpenBSD, it has netbsd/freebsd though... could I somehow make them work on OpenBSD as well?  I remember that OpenBSD could emulate the syscalls of other OSes but not sure how practical that is these days...  I just want the simplicity of Go's `GOOS=OpenBSD GOARCH=amd64 go build' also for Rust
21:42 < brynet> No rustup on OpenBSD, no syscall compatability layers at all anymore.
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21:44 < dostoyevsky2> Could I maybe compile the target for OpenBSD myself?  Maybe only certain tiers get added as available targets
21:44 < brynet> As for rust, the stable is packaged in ports, if the version that shipped with 7.5 is too old, you'll need to run -current snapshots or wait for 7.6.
21:45 < ForeverNoob[m]> 7.6 would be out in ~November ?
21:45 < brynet> No idea, but probably not recommend. rust ports are fairly complex and involve a bootstrap, there are local patches in prots.
21:46 < brynet> dostoyevsky2^
21:46 < dostoyevsky2> brynet: Yeah, and if I want to compile the Rust compiler for OpenBSD on Linux as a cross compiler it's probably missing the patches
21:47 < brynet> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/lang/rust/patches/?hideattic=1#dirlist
21:47 < brynet> indeed
21:48 < brynet> cross compiling from Linux is probably not going to work well
21:50 < dostoyevsky2> Will the patches ever be upstreamed?  Why do FreeBSD/Netbsd have target support on Linux, did they just have people more willing to work with the rust team to upstream the changes?
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22:08 < ForeverNoob[m]> Uh, can someone please explain: https://0x0.st/XpTx.txt - There's apparently a new BUILDINFO but it won't update to the new snapshot?
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22:15 < zwr> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240721165445 undeadly news says OpenBSD will have hardware accelerated video decoding. that's nice I was having issues playing back 4K video 
22:16 < byteskeptical> not anymore
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22:19 < quinq> Using OpenBSD is an emotional rollercoaster
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22:21 < ForeverNoob[m]> +1
22:22 < wolfdog> I could say the same about Linux :P
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22:24 < tux0r> nah, linux is an emotional highway
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22:24 < tux0r> filled with rage and despair.
22:25 < ForeverNoob[m]> At least you know when there are new updates on Linux :P
22:25 < tux0r> all the time
22:25 < quinq> On OpenBSD too, there's a ml dedicated to it
22:25 < tux0r> because linux is an insecure mess
22:25 < tux0r> :D
22:29 < ForeverNoob[m]> quinq: Where the last message was posted on 2024-06-26: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-announce&r=1&b=202406&w=2
22:29 < wolfdog> because there hasn't been new updates since?
22:29 < wolfdog> it's not that complicated
22:31 < quinq> that
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22:31 < ForeverNoob[m]> Perhaps at surface level then? I want to check whether there's a new snapshot available for current without downloading stuff like bsd.rd etc. Previously it was suggested to compare /var/db/installed.BUILDINFO with https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/BUILDINFO, but that... doesn't seem to fly as I've demonstrated: https://0x0.st/XpTx.txt
22:33 < ForeverNoob[m]> If sysupgrade had something similar to an extra -n flag for "Just check, but do not download any new files" that would have been sweet.
22:34 < quinq> Yeah, that would be nice
22:34 < wolfdog> it probably takes a while for a snapshot to go from built to available on FTP/CDN
22:34 < wolfdog> but yeah I agree that a flag to check would be nice
22:34 < quinq> You could still script something and check https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/amd64/index.txt date for example
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22:37 < ForeverNoob[m]> Oh, I might look into that, thanks!
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22:49 < byteskeptical> ForeverNoob[m]: not sure I understand why BUILDINFO doesn't work? In your paste your checking a different server from the one your updating from
22:49 < byteskeptical> not surprising you're getting different results
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22:57 < ForeverNoob[m]> byteskeptical: Aren't cdn.openbsd.org and ftp.openbsd.org "aliased" to the same thing though?
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23:00 < thrig> did you actually lookup those addresses
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23:08 < ForeverNoob[m]> I didn't mean they were one and the same server, just that files were replicated between them.
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23:11 < byteskeptical> ForeverNoob[m]: eventually but there isn't some magic between mirrors that instantly syncs them
23:12 < byteskeptical> ForeverNoob[m]: the real question is why would check a different server instead of the one you choose to install from
23:14 < ForeverNoob[m]> Hmm, I suppose that makes sense yeah. Thought those mirrors got replicated almost instantly (or sooner than the snag I ran up against)
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23:16 < byteskeptical> It's up to the mirror maintainer how often they attempt a sync some do it faster than others
23:19 < ForeverNoob[m]> Ah, yeah in that case this make a lot more sense.
23:20 < brynet> mirrors are not updated atomically, very often you'll catch a mirror in the middie of a sync, e.g: half updated packages. Absolutely have to watch out for that..
23:21 < ForeverNoob[m]> Great, as if I didn't have enough things to worry about :P
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23:23 < brynet> Updating immediately as soon as a new snapshot is available is going to be a bad time, especially if you're not following along with source-changes@, checking current.html FAQ, etc. Anyone who has hit a ABI crank knows to wait a bit.
23:29 < ForeverNoob[m]> Thanks for the heads-up. Currently all I'm attempting to do is run an IRC client inside my OBSD VM. Hopefully I'll be able to avoid such headaches by keeping packages to a minimum.
23:32 < zwr> openbsd current is meant for openbsd development, use a stable to run an IRC server
23:32 < tux0r> *client
23:33 < zwr> yes
23:34 < ForeverNoob[m]> Stable's version is super old though. I could technically compile it, but that takes forever on my VM.
23:35 < ForeverNoob[m]> Though I might run stable when 7.6 comes out (which would be somewhere in November?)
23:36 < zwr> which IRC client? 
23:37 < tux0r> compiling ii or jj would probably be pretty fast ;o)
23:38 < vortexx> ForeverNoob[m]: these days... More like early October. No promises on that though
23:38 < ForeverNoob[m]> Or why compile at all? https://github.com/dylanaraps/birch
23:38 < ForeverNoob[m]> zwr: Weechat
23:39 < tux0r> ForeverNoob[m]: because bash on openbsd is a burden
23:39 < vortexx> couldn't you just compile on a local vm and then copy the files over?
23:39 < ForeverNoob[m]> No because my laptop is at the point of meltdown :P
23:40 < ForeverNoob[m]> tux0r: I still have a lot of legacy Bash stuff that I'm now rewriting to fully POSIX sh. So hopefully this burder will be temporary :)
23:40 < zwr> cloc says 213228 lines of C for weechat, didn't expect it to be that big
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23:41 < ForeverNoob[m]> It can do a lot of stuff, and it can look very pretty :3
23:41 < zwr> + 41093 for C++
23:41 < zwr> of C++*
23:42 < zwr> but I compiled Dolphin on a Pentium 4 lapotp a dozen times, it can't be that bad
23:42 < zwr> the Dolphin emulator, that is
23:43 < Tingo> #pkg_add weechat
23:48 < wolfdog> is weechat 4.2.1 that "super old" though?
23:49 < tux0r> technically, it is
23:49 < tux0r> but it won't lack TOO many ircv3 features ;)
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23:49 < tux0r> (4.2.0 is half a year old now..)
23:50 < ForeverNoob[m]> It has quite some velocity to it, already has some options which are incompatible if you've set them in 4.3+
23:50 < wolfdog> it's a damn irc client, why does it need such a speedy release cycle
23:51 < ForeverNoob[m]> Because it's very actively being developed :D
23:51 < tux0r> but the irc protocol isn't
23:52 < tux0r> i mentioned ii and jj above because you can't get more basic than THAT..
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23:53 < wolfdog> compiling weechat can't be that bad even in a VM
23:53 < wolfdog> sure it'll probably take a fair bit but if you call that mindfulness time it's no loss :D
23:54 < ForeverNoob[m]> tux0r: Yeah but I bet they don't have the QoL improvements that Weechat has. Though the only thing I do miss in Weechat is colors in the log scrollback. However I doubt any other client has that either.
23:55 < tux0r> QoL seems to be a matter of taste ;)
23:55  * tux0r uses ERC, so i probably should stfu about that
23:56  * wolfdog shrugs
23:56 < ForeverNoob[m]> Well I technically _could_ compile it in the background, but one of my goals is to go offline upon a new update first, update, and then go online (not particular for only Weechat though, but I found this to be a painful approach, so I'm kind of looking for a hybrid setup for now. Maybe compiling in the background?)
23:56 < ForeverNoob[m]> tux0r: Yeah well there you can just extend it with your own QoL additions :P
23:57 < tux0r> :D i actually contributed QoL additions to jj (namely, it can actually be compiled on illumos/solaris now) --
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