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00:27 < jlmk> hello, bit of a newbie question. i edited /etc/ttys to diable ttyC1, ttyC2, ttyC3 and ttyC5. only ttyC0 is left on for my user login, and ttyC4 is used for X of course. this worked fine, i do not see the getty processes anymore in top. however in dmesg i still see "wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (std,vt100 emulation)". it makes sense, because the compiletime default configuration 5 vts according to the man 
00:27 < jlmk> page. should i ignore this or should i delete those screens, via wsconscfg in /etc/rc.local?
00:28 < jlmk> apologies for the typos.
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02:56 < falsifian> jlmk: What are you trying to accomplish? I have never tried messing with that. I guess you could try and see what happens, if you for some reason want those to go away...?
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03:13 < jlmk> i probably worded it badly. i mostly want the gettys/login terminals gone, but i wasn't sure if those extra would cause trouble without the vts.
03:13 < jlmk> extra screens of wsdisplay*
03:13 < falsifian> I don't know. Is there a specific reason you want the gettys gone?
03:14 < jlmk> it's a simple home desktop with just me as the user, i will never use any of those extra terminals, and usually i disable things i do not use - i'm aware the gettys barely use resources, it's just a habit of mine.
03:15 < falsifian> Good luck. I usually try to avoid messing with defaults and ending up in unusual configurations, to save myself grief later.
03:16 < jlmk> understandable, i will most likely go back to the default aswell. but thank you for your response.
03:18 < jlmk> this box is pretty vanilla, only 5 packages manually installed. i told myself to stay with defaults aswell, but seeing those extra gettys bothered me (must be my ocd) so i wanted to get rid of them. but it doesn't seem worth the trouble.
03:19 < falsifian> You might learn something.
03:21 < jlmk> already learned a lot the past week, it's been great fun (new to openbsd). feels very comfortable.
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03:21 < falsifian> I'm glad to hear it.
03:21 < jlmk> not a rich person but definitely going to support the project i can.
03:21 < jlmk> where i can*
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03:32 < jlmk> reverted the changes and everything seems to be back to normal. apologies for the noise.
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03:45 < falsifian> I wouldn't call it noise.
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04:23 < PyR3X> if my initial pledge is "stdio rpath wpath cpath inet proc unveil" and after configuration loading I drop to "stdio inet" is there any advantage to calling unveil("/", "") at that point since all files are now known and opened
04:32 < rueda> If all you've pledged is "stdio inet", then using unveil(2) will result in program termination.
04:32 < PyR3X> the point is just before dropping to stdio inet
04:37 < rueda> Did you mean "unveil(NULL, NULL)"?  That's the same as dropping the "unveil" promise in pledge(2).  See the third paragraph of description in unveil(2).
04:37 < thrig> just pledge it down, no need for a useless unveil here
04:38 < PyR3X> what about an unveil("/", "") upfront and as config locations become known unveiling them
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05:04 < PyR3X> also I assume /etc/resolv is one of the first things typically unveiled for network programs?
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06:45 < wkoszek> Is anyone here running OpenBSD on x13s (arm64 SnapDragon Thinkpad)?
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07:32 < IcePic> wkoszek: at least some of the developers have one of those
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07:50 < wkoszek> IcePic: I will check the commit logs. I'm having an issue booting this laptop into the installer. I wonder what I don't know.
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08:05 < IcePic> wkoszek: ok, latest reports I remember are mostly about gfx not being accelerated (enough) and so on
08:05 < IcePic> but given it is arm(64), combination of obsd version and those device-tree files is going to be important
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08:06 < IcePic> for some reason, "new" machines require a lot of pre-boot magic incantations
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08:14 < mischief> IcePic: that reason is because arm failed to hop on the acpi train.
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08:15 < mischief> efi/acpi for arm exists, but all of the vendor idiots copied the linux crap and yolo'd a device tree into their forked kernel, so everyone else can get fucked if they don't use it
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08:16 < mischief> same situation is playing out for riscv from what i've seen
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08:19 < wkoszek> I guess the pragmatic question would be - who is known to have it working and whether this person could give me necessary hints. I'd be happy to take notes and put it on a Wiki somewhere.
08:20 < mischief> summoning dlg 
08:22 < IcePic> mischief: I'm sure its not 100% the same, but most of my octeons seem to be able to list their hw without me stuffing tons of random files from internet to a FAT partition, so one mustn't use acpi or have troubles, there seem to be middle grounds that OpenBoot/OpenFirmware and U-boot can use
08:22 < IcePic> which still allows your kernel to find out where in memory the serial console is and so forth
08:24 < IcePic> wkoszek: someone got a full dmesg out of it a year ago https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=7141
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08:26 < wkoszek> IcePic: I saw this one, but on a mailing list folks indicated that it's "x13" (amd64) not "x13s" (arm64)
08:26 < IcePic> oh
08:26 < IcePic> my bad
08:26 < mischief> sure, whatever the combo of PBL/SBL is. it needs to be discoverable and provide a common interface.
08:26 < wkoszek> Np.
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08:27 < IcePic> wkoszek: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=171430467412856&w=2
08:28 < wkoszek> This looks legit. It appears to somewhat work.
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08:29 < IcePic> yes, and I think there has been fixes to the qwx network since
08:29 < wkoszek> My problem starts at the install step: I booted the box with Win11, I wrote install75.img to a USB stick, and upon reboot, the "menu" is showing USB stick, but it refuses to boot from it.
08:29 < IcePic> I've been eyeing the X13s too, hoping to snipe myself a cheap on used-computer sale somewhere. =)
08:29 < wkoszek> I will sell you mine if I fail to make it work :)
08:31 < IcePic> wonder if you should see if the DTB instructions on https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/arm64/INSTALL.arm64 apply to it
08:31 < IcePic> perhaps one of the steps at "Install on systems without a supported miniroot" applies
08:32 < IcePic> which would have you to pkg_add the dtb stuff from ports on a supported computer to get to the DTB files to add
08:33 < wkoszek> Ok, this is becoming "the project".
08:33 < wkoszek> But this is good, I think my next step is to read through all of this.
08:34 < IcePic> wkoszek: it starts at https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html with hinting that some machine will need extra steps before install
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13:50 < decuser> hi folks, having some difficulty figuring out how to install openbsd without ethernet. I read the FAQ and they're not even close to how it works in 7.5. referencing fw_update, which doesn't appear to be part of the installation binaries... help.
13:51 < decuser> downloaded the iwn firmware, put it on vfat, then ext2 (I don't have an operational openbsd), mounted it, but then there's no fw_update or pkg_add...
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13:53 < IcePic> decuser: I think you should have unpacked the firmware files (it is .tar.gz) so you could move them into /etc/firmware in the installed OS after
13:54 < decuser> IcePic: don't I need internet during install?
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13:57 < vortexx> decuser: if you use the install75.img or .iso you have the sets included so no need for internet
13:57 < decuser> ah, ok then, I'll try that! back in a few.
13:58 < phy1729> You could also chroot into the new install and use the pkg_add and fw_update there
13:58 < vortexx> if you absolutely need the firmware to get network after install, https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#WifiOnly <-- this will be of help. Needs a VM or a machine running OpenBSD to do
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14:50 < vortexx> funny how that entry on adding firmware to the installer slipped into the faq back when 7.1 was released and most of us didn't notice...
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15:08 < tercaL> Changes made between OpenBSD X.X and -current was live on a dedicated page openbsd.org/plus.html - the file is not updated anymore?
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15:11 < sibiria> it's not really been updated regularly in many years
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15:17 < brynet> it's done manually when the person(s) doing it have the time, it'll catch up eventually. If you want the very latest, you can read the changelogs.
15:17 < brynet> https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/Changelogs/
15:17 < brynet> :P
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15:19 < brynet> plus.html has up until March 8th, so there's you starting point :D
15:20 < brynet> your*
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15:38 < tercaL> Thank you both.
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16:39 < sysfu> I dug out an old pcengines alix router and need to update it from 6.0/i386. What's the current best practice for doing so? I has a 2GB compact flash card in it, only looks like ~500MB is in use with current install. Several dirs are mounted to mfs such as /tmp /dev /etc/ and /var. Can't even remember if this was generated by something capuccio's flashrd.
16:40 < Bradipo> sysfu: You want to "upgrade"?
16:40 < Bradipo> Well, that means you have to get every release from 6.0 all the way up to 7.5 and apply them one at a time.
16:40 < sysfu> well, technically install a current release.
16:40 < Bradipo> Might be faster to just backup what you need from it and reinstall.
16:41 < sysfu> that's what I'm thinking but I don't even remember if I did a direct install via bsd.rd or it was some readybake install via flashrd or whatever.
16:42 < sysfu> I'll save all the config files of course, but I want to make sure my new install is setup properly for a compact flash filesystem.
16:43 < sysfu> I must have used resflash now that I think about it.
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16:44 < sysfu> Looks like it's still developed and up to date too! cool. https://gitlab.com/bconway/resflash
16:45 < decuser> hi folks, so I'm trying to install without network. I burned the install75.img to usb and booted. I went through the install and it went fine until time to locate the sets. Nowhere to be found.
16:45 < vortexx> decuser: they're not mounted by default. Select disk as location of sets
16:45 < vortexx> then when it asks if it's mounted, select no
16:46 < vortexx> it'll mount it for you and find the sets
16:46 < decuser> but it's not listed as an available disk... looking on internet, somebody suggested removing and reinserting usb and it would remount as sd2 (was rd1) that worked, but WTF?
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16:46 < vortexx> decuser: ? will list available drives when it asks you which drive
16:47 < decuser> right, sd2 isn't in the list until it's reinserted... weird
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16:49 < decuser> it only lists sd0 (256 GB SSD) and sd1 (1TB SSD)...
16:51 < vortexx> that is strange
16:51 < decuser> and the USB /dev/rd0a is on /
16:51 < vortexx> you left the usb stick in the whole time?
16:51 < decuser> before I reinsert it to get sd2 to work, yes.
16:51 < vortexx> (until reinserting because it didn't see the drive)
16:51 < vortexx> ok
16:51 < decuser> right now I redid and I'm still with rd0, sd0, and sd1, no sd2...
16:52 < decuser> I think reinserting is a strange requirement, so I'm looking around to see if there's another way...
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16:53 < decuser> sysctl hw.disknames doesn't list it either.
16:54 < sibiria> that is indeed unusual. did you write the image to your USB-stick using some tool that tries to be helpful by modifying it a bit?
16:54 < sibiria> like for example Rufus
16:54 < decuser> nah, dd and I did shasum on the image - straight from openbsd site.
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17:01 < decuser> tried it on my thinkpad, same issue. Not just me though... https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/nwslc1/cant_find_file_sets/
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17:06 < decuser> ah, well, chalk it up to openbsd installer quirk... no problems installing freebsd :). Off to see if I can work through it without more weirdnesses!
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17:08 < sibiria> does your PC happen to be running with CSM enabled
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17:09 < sibiria> and/or some secure boot thingy
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17:09 < sibiria> best disable CSM and eventual "P-ATA compat" settings
17:09 < sibiria> they tend to get in the way
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17:12 < decuser> sibiria - prolly... lemme try sommadat
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17:19 < decuser> no effect
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17:27 < sibiria> do you see the device show up in dmesg when the kernel boots?
17:28 < sibiria> though i suppose it'd end up in hw.disknames if that were the case
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19:13 < D0peX> yo, i'm trying to get a simple golang service running. but I fail to figure out what is failing. It says: 'not found', while the binary is there and is r_x'able by the service user i've made
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19:14 < D0peX> rcctl says; not found, during rc_start stage
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19:21 < byteskeptical> D0peX: is where?
19:22 < D0peX> byteskeptical: wdym?
19:22 < D0peX> oh the bin
19:23 < D0peX> /usr/local/bin/.
19:23 < D0peX> it's basically this in rc config:
19:23 < D0peX> daemon="/usr/local/bin/goatcounter"
19:23 < D0peX> daemon_flags="serve -db 'sqlite:///var/goatcounter/goatcounter.sqlite3' &> /dev/null"
19:24 < phy1729> &> is a bashism/zshism
19:25 < D0peX> i figured, but yet the issue persists when i remove the redirect
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19:30 < miah> what about /var/goatcounter/... is that all readable by the user?
19:31 < D0peX> yep
19:32 < echelon> i'm trying to use openbsd in production and i'm getting push back by upper management since they're not familiar with it, are there any examples of commercial users of openbsd i can reference?
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19:34 < D0peX> miah: -rwxrwx---  1 _goatcounter  _goatcounter
19:34 < D0peX> ill try 774
19:35 < D0peX> nada
19:35 < AShapiro> echelon: you could say: openbsd, the operating system made by the creators of openssh!
19:35 < quinq> Flight 774 to Sydney
19:36 < AShapiro> 4 8 15 16 23 42
19:36 < echelon> AShapiro: yeah, i already provided a link to the innovations page
19:37 < D0peX> Management should make management descisions, not operational ones. If there is not real good argument for not using certain software... If the operational guys are confident with it, why not?
19:39 < Bradipo> echelon: What problem are you trying to solve with OpenBSD?
19:42 < miah> D0peX: have you tried running your rc script as _goatcounter
19:43 < D0peX> it does use the daemon_user param with said user
19:43 < D0peX> is that what you mean?
19:44 < miah> well, can you run goatcounter serve -db 'sqlite:///var/goatcounter/goatcounter.sqlite3' as _goatcounter ?
19:47 < D0peX> can i run a command as that user when it is /bin/nologin ?
19:47 < miah> doas -u _goatcounter /bin/sh
19:47 < D0peX> trying su -c to no avail
19:47 < D0peX> ah
19:48 < D0peX> yeh it has no working dir
19:48 < D0peX> oh nvm i am it
19:48 < D0peX> derp
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19:49 < D0peX> but yes, that works
19:49 < D0peX> the binary + params works as i have them in rc
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19:49 < miah> but the user has no home directory set?
19:51 < miah> (you said 'no working dir' im guessing there is no home directory set for the user)
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19:51 < D0peX> i was under /root when i switched shell, so the _goatcoutner user could not determine cwd
19:51 < miah> ah i see
19:51 < D0peX> that whas what /bin/sh said
19:52 < D0peX> but it works, sooo
19:52 < miah> ok well its good that it works
19:52 < D0peX> it is!
19:52 < miah> that means the issue is probably in your rc script
19:52 < D0peX> most likely
19:52 < D0peX> but what can it not find
19:52 < miah> can you paste it somewhere?
19:52 < miah> (not to irc please)
19:52 < D0peX> it is basically this one: https://daulton.ca/2021/01/openbsd-goatcounter-server/
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19:55 < D0peX> i thought it was failing on rc_check, but that isnot the case
19:55 < D0peX> well i say that
19:55 < vortexx> echelon: https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20110420080633 it's old but this is an example
19:56 < echelon> thanks!
19:56 < vortexx> we could do with some more corporate use writeups
19:56 < D0peX> wtf miah , it works now
19:57 < miah> behold. the power of irc.
19:57 < D0peX> changed literally nothing other than running it once under that user
19:57 < D0peX> let me yoink the doas shell to _goatcounter
19:58 < D0peX> HAH that is it
19:58 < miah> which was it?
19:58 < D0peX> when i log out the _goatcounter user it is not working via rcctl
19:59 < D0peX> so it is failing on rc_check function in the script for some reason
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20:04 < miah> if you test the rc_check command manually, does it 'work'? eg, pgrep -q -xf "/usr/local/bin/goatcounter.*"
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20:11 < D0peX> well it is just pgrepping
20:12 < miah> i just never trust anything and literally step through each item while debugging to make sure it actually works as expected
20:13 < miah> i dont really know ksh well enough to know what shell flags can be set to enable debugging the rc script in more detail
20:13 < miah> but that 'not found' is coming from something in that. i'd set some debug flags and step through it
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20:15 < byteskeptical> vortexx: agreed
20:23 < D0peX> good advice, gotta check later miah .. tnx!
20:24 < byteskeptical> echelon: I think the best you could do is probably some old Darpa news: https://www.theregister.com/2003/04/18/us_military_shuns_bsd/
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20:25 < byteskeptical> just pass -d to rcctl and for ksh I think set -x will enable some form of debug printing of your script
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20:34 < miah> byteskeptical: thanks
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22:22 < PyR3X> forked processes inherit the unveil of the parent right?
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23:58 < decuser> hi folks, I just finally finished successfully installing openbsd on my T430, seems to be working - including wifi. I have questions :)
23:58 < decuser> 1. is there a first steps doc out there somewhere with stuff like updating, getting irc client, etc.
23:59 < decuser> 2. is there a first steps doc out there somewhere...
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