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00:01 < falsifian> D0peX: Here's my relayd.conf. It includes examples of matching by hostname and by hostname with path. https://clbin.com/Nr11U
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02:29 < rnkn> is there a high-level interface to kqueue? something I can just run in a sh script?
02:32 < dlg> uh
02:32 < dlg> what are you trying to do in a shell script that needs kq?
02:33 < rnkn> monitor files in Maildir/.Notes for changes
02:34 < mischief> try inotify-tools in packages
02:34 < dlg> yeah
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02:35 < rnkn> oh fiddlesticks I thought there was an OpenBSD way, not a dirty Linux way
02:35 < rnkn> s/was/might be/
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02:39 < rnkn> oh I see that libinotify does use kqueue
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03:24 < mischief> kqueue is kind of orthogonal to a receiving events on file/path changes
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04:05 < lts> Happy sysadmin day and thank you for the services
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04:41 < byteskeptical> lts: you're still not getting root
04:42 < lts> That would mean effort
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06:55 < pkal> I frequently see relayd.conf tutorials mention something like tcp { nodelay, sack, socket buffer 65536, backlog 100 } as a performance improvement, but the exact options differ.  Does anyone know how to determine the right values for ones system, or do you just have to experiment?
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09:45 < lts> pkal: you'll need to study these TCP concepts to make that call. SACK for example is an efficient packet loss renegotiation technology, and enables less packages needing to be re-sent with bad connections. Downside is that an attacker could leverage it for a denial of service attack against you
09:45 < lts> If in doubt, just use those you've listed
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09:59 < rnkn> I think my POSIX sh BBS is done
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15:05 < a1fa> o/ hello world
15:06 < a1fa> does anyone recall when KISS was removed from kernel?
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15:09 < a1fa> kiss(4) and ax25(4)
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15:16 < phy1729> You could bisect down to a version with man.openbsd.org
15:16 < phy1729> s/version/release/
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15:18 < a1fa> i did.. not finding it.. guess it was never part of openbsd
15:18 < a1fa> but hambsd
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15:19 < phy1729> I didn't see mentions of either in the log for src/sys
15:22 < a1fa> looks like it was just a set of patches on top of openbsd src and the project has gone quiet 
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15:24 < a1fa> too bad they didnt try to upstream those patches
15:25 < a1fa> to support 0.00001% of the community :)
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16:30 < juny> hey folks, I'm looking to get a lenovo thinkpad t14 to run openbsd on. are there any caveats I should be aware of? I'm especially concerned about wlan -- is it guaranteed to have a supported chipset?
16:31 < juny> if not, are there similar alternatives which I should look at?
16:31 < juny> I heard thinkpads are popular among openbsd users
16:32 < juny> I'm worried about e.g.: https://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=11824
16:34 < a1fa> jcs has some nice laptop reviews
16:34 < a1fa> https://jcs.org/openbsd-laptops
16:34 < lts> https://bsd-hardware.info/ as well
16:34 < juny> thanks a1fa
16:34 < juny> I'll have a read
16:35 < lts> Plus iwx(4) wlan cards (Intel AX2xx) can be bought for very small price
16:37 < juny> lts: unfortunately I'm don't think I can be too sure of the specific hardware I'm going to be getting, the thinkpad specs are kinda vague
16:37 < juny> (the US website includes a nice PDF with listings for the specific hardware, but I'm not in the US)
16:37 < tommyrot> lenovo doesn't even know themselves what their laptops ship with, it likely depends on availability and cost
16:38 < juny> right
16:38 < lts> Either it will work just fine, or you can buy a replacement part cheaply
16:38 < juny> okay thanks
16:38 < juny> is it easy to open and stuff?
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16:39 < juny> I had a horrible laptops that was entirely pressed and glued together
16:39 < juny> s/laptops/laptop/
16:40 < lts> Thinkpads are scary to open the first time and a piece of cake from there on
16:40 < lts> Youtube should have a lot of videos
16:40 < juny> alright
16:41 < juny> also, there is an optional WWAN module. should I even bother with that?
16:41 < juny> not that I need it mind you, I'm just curious
16:42 < juny> e.g. umsm(4) or something
16:43 < a1fa> idk 
16:43 < a1fa> beyond my realm of expertise 
16:44 < a1fa> my big pet peave with most laptops is not having dedicated F keys, and glossy monitor screens 
16:44 < a1fa> ...and maybe not enough usb ports
16:45 < juny> people actually use the F keys?
16:45 < juny> I can definitely relate to the latter issues though
16:46 < lts> Next you're saying you're not using a numpad or home/end :-) 
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16:46 < juny> nah
16:46 < juny> I mostly type on an hhkb :p
16:47 < juny> (60%)
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16:54 < a1fa> if you are using cwm/i3wm - i dont know how you can get away not having dedicated f keys
16:54 < leah2> cwm uses f keys?
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16:59 < juny> I don't use either of those a1fa 
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17:14 < fro> i don't use f keys in cwm
17:15 < falsifian> Yeah, I generally reserve mod4+... for window-manager shortcuts and that works out fine. Maybe I would use function keys if my keyboard had them.
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17:19 < lts> I'll need at least F3 for search next, F5 for refresh, and F11 for fullscreen
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17:24 < juny> lts: in firefox? I just ctrl-f and ctrl-r. as for fullscreen in the rare cases I need it I use the designated fn key I have + a number
17:25 < ForeverNoob[m]> https://0x0.st/XfMX.txt - This is the first thing it reminded me of: https://www.random.org/analysis/dilbert.jpg
17:28 < uwharrie> the description of that feature in the man page just got an update to clarify things
17:28 < uwharrie> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=172018981427593&w=2
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17:35 < ForeverNoob[m]> Oh that looks fairly recent yeah. I'm glad OBSD upholds its dedication to accurate documentation :)
17:41 < Bradipo> So 0~30 will use a random value, but is that random value chosen each time the cronjob is run?
17:41 < Bradipo> Or only the first time that crond starts?
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17:41 < Bradipo> If that's what the clarification is about, I definitely think it's warranted.
17:41 < Bradipo> As it is, it's misleading.  I thought that it would pick a new random value each time it was time to run.
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17:46 < Bradipo> For months, I've been under the impression that my randomly scheduled job would be running on different minutes each hour, but really it's the same minute each hour, just with an initially random chosen value.
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17:48 < uwharrie> It clarifies that it's chosen once when the crontab is saved. The discussion included the reasoning that something like `~ * * * *` wouldn't make sense if it chose 59, ran at 08:59, then chose 1 and ran at 09:01 as that would violate the expectation of an hour spacing
17:49 < Bradipo> Yeah, I suppose that makes sense too.
17:50 < Bradipo> Nothing wrong with the way it's implemented in my opinion, just poor documentation.
17:50 < Bradipo> Now that I know what it's really doing, I can set my expectations correctly.
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17:58 < Bradipo> On another note... does "pass out" also activate state for IPv6 return traffic?  e.g. NDP stuff?
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17:59 < Bradipo> I have "block return log" as my first reul, and then I have "pass out" as my second.
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18:00 < Bradipo> But in pflog output, I'm finding that when I try to ping6, the NDP stuff is being blocked.
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18:02 < Bradipo> In the ndp(8) output, I see (incomplete) for the peer I'm trying to ping.
18:04 < Bradipo> Hmm, that's odd.
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18:04 < Bradipo> The source of the ping6 isn't the IPv6 address that I specified with -I...
18:04 < Bradipo> Something trying to be too smart?
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18:08 < Bradipo> Seems that pf is smart enough to add 2 states.
18:08 < Bradipo> One for a link-local address and one for the actual IPv6 address assigned to the interface.
18:08 < Bradipo> So I see state in the state table, but yet it's still being blocked by pf.
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18:15 < Bradipo> Odd, I guess the "pass out" has a bug with respect to ipv6.
18:15 < Bradipo> I had to add an explicit: pass in on egress inet6 proto icmp6 icmp6-type { neighbradv routeradv }
18:16 < Bradipo> After adding that, I have no trouble pinging from OpenBSD on IPv6.
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18:36 < armin> :)
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18:38 < armin> I hate to say this, but the reason that most of the OpenBSD servers have an AAAA record nowadays I'm probably guilty of a bit
18:38 < armin> And I'm honestly thankful that Theo jumped in on that one and simply enabled it
18:39 < armin> I noticed absolutely nothing weird, at all, everything continued to work on my end
18:40 < armin> But I was able to use OpenBSD on my IPv6 only hosts from that point on
18:40 < armin> <3
18:41 < armin> But wow never seen a community enabling IPv6 without any struggle whatsoever, I think that was a first
18:43 < armin> good night.
18:43 < uwharrie> I might give it another shot once dhcp6leased makes it into a release
18:43 < armin> uwharrie: I had no problems with IPv6 even on my laptop.
18:45 < uwharrie> my problem wasn't with getting the setup working, but with certain streaming service working poorly over v6
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18:52 < vortexx> I'm always surprised when IPv6 keeps working but IPv4 breaks on my router
18:52 < vortexx> streaming stuff works, most websites don't
18:52 < Bradipo> I don't care so much about IPv6 on the "Internet".
18:52 < vortexx> IRC keeps working
18:52 < Bradipo> This is just on a local LAN.
18:52 < Bradipo> What I am surprised about is that the two rules that I have don't work.
18:53 < Bradipo> "block return log" followed by "pass out"
18:53 < Bradipo> That does not work for IPv6.
18:53 < Bradipo> At least not for IPv6 on *this* network.
18:54 < Bradipo> The router/neighbor adverts don't get past pf.
18:54 < vortexx> my issue is the default route that I get via PPPoE doesn't get added to the config by default, maybe my hostname.pppoe0 is wrong but it's basically the example from man pppoe. Maybe I should add it via rc.local or crontab
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18:59 < PyR3X> in httpd.conf I have 'errdocs "/htdocs/errdocs"' and a custom err.html inside errdocs.  err.html has a <link rel="stylesheet" href="/css/style.css"> but it's not being picked up
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18:59 < vortexx> Bradipo: don't you have to open ports on the lan side for IPv6 NDP ? 
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19:00 < Bradipo> I don't think so, it's all ICMP6.
19:00 < Bradipo> In fact, I could see that the default rules create state for icmp, but apparently they don't cover the advertisements.
19:00 < vortexx> then allow all ICMPv6 (sorry, I don't remember how NDP works)
19:00 < Bradipo> NDP is just like ARP but for IPv6.
19:00 < vortexx> icmp !icmp6 in pf.conf
19:01 < Bradipo> Yeah yeah, I said icmp, I mean icmp6.
19:01 < Bradipo> This showed up in the output of "pfctl -s s | grep ipv6
19:01 < Bradipo> all ipv6-icmp fe80::....
19:02 < vortexx> so if it' the local lan, are you afraid a host gets compromised and starts using ICMPv6 to cause issues? I'd just use pass quick for ICMPv6
19:02 < Bradipo> No, not worried, just surprised that "pass out" isn't sufficient to create state for ICMP6.
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19:05 < vortexx> pass out wouldn't be enough to cover incoming stuff
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19:05 < Bradipo> Well, it's not "incoming".
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19:06 < Bradipo> No more than the response to IPv4 PING is "incoming".
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19:06 < Bradipo> "pass out" is supposed to create state sufficient to enable the "return traffic" to get back in.
19:06 < Bradipo> So you don't have to worry about "incoming".
19:07 < vortexx> but what if the incoming slaac client's requests aren't getting in? cos block return blocks incoming as well as outgoing
19:07 < Bradipo> Well, sure.
19:07 < Bradipo> But that's precisely what "pass out" is supposed to enable.
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19:21 < vortexx> pass out doesn't enable pass in
19:22 < vortexx> and if rad doesn't see the input it's not going to send out the config
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22:18 < typicat> so, before doing research - did something change regarding vaapi overnight? vainfo returns -1 on both iHD and i965 after sysupgrade (gen 8 broadwell, intel hd graphics 5500) - but was working this morning
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22:19 < typicat> vaInitialize failed with error code -1 (unknown libva error),exit :(
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22:22 < typicat> hm, the iHD_drv_video.so file and i965 are in a different location than paths reported by vainfo 
22:23 < uwharrie> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=172179855513899&w=2 ?
22:23 < uwharrie> and https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=172176512930513&w=2
22:24 < typicat> ah, great info, thanks unwharrie :)
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23:09 < pyral> Hey. I've got a server running on an old NUC. It used to timeout after some time transferring over SFTP, but eventually seemed to stop. However, I updated to 7.5 (from 7.4) and it started doing it again. No idea how or if I fixed it before. Hooking it up to a monitor, I get a re0 Watchdog Timeout Error. Any things I can do that would make this instead be nice and polite and not cease any network functioning? Not too sure what's up and the only solution of `
23:09 < pyral> sysctl kern.watchdog.period` or `auto` to 0 throws a value not available error.
23:10 < pyral> *rather, I get a re0 watchdog error when the actual connection dies mid-file transfers.
23:17 < tommyrot> nope, realtek is trash
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23:21 < pyral> Given it's an Intel related device, I don't doubt it.
23:22 < pyral> I'd been able to move 200GB from one PC into the server, though, among other bulk transfers, so I'm mostly unsure what would cause it to start acting up again aside from being probably made of plastic and toothpaste.
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23:28 < tommyrot> i didn't know intel nucs even used realtek
23:29 < crash_> it's weird that a nuc uses realtek ethernet instead of their own intel ethernet, but maybe that is a cost saving thing?
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23:32 < pyral> Maybe. These things are probably built with nickles and dimes. This one dates back to 2018 or so, I think, but has held up. Ran a bunch of servers on it as I'd learned how to do networking stuff.
23:33 < pyral> But I'd not be surprised if OpenBSD tends to catch stuff being clunkers early, given its strictness.
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