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00:46 < highplainsdruid> finally outgrew relayd and decided to migrate to nginx
00:46 < highplainsdruid> wish i would have done it a while ago
00:46 < highplainsdruid> lots easier config
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02:13 < lts> Wait until you hit the gotchas :-) 
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02:16 < lts> My favourite is the reset of security headers for each location https://www.getpagespeed.com/server-setup/nginx-security-headers-the-right-way
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02:17 < lts> (I'm not advocating the use of the module that page advertises)
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06:17 < m0v> hello
06:17 < m0v> tried to boot openbsd amd64 image on an old machine
06:18 < m0v> stuck at "entry point at 0x..."
06:18 < m0v> whats the problem?
06:19 < quinq> It seems like it's stuck
06:20 < renaud> how old? you might have a i386 CPU
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06:23 < m0v> very OLD
06:24 < m0v> its an AMD Geode
06:24 < renaud> that's i386 only, not amd64
06:24 < m0v> and yes its 32 bit but i'm trying to boot 64bit image
06:24 < m0v> you're saying its not possible to install 64bit OS on 32bit CPU?
06:25 < renaud> that's exactly what I am saying
06:25 < m0v> great
06:25 < m0v> i think i'll go for x86 version then
06:26 < m0v> but is it still usable nowadays?
06:26 < renaud> I still have a soekris 4801 with an AMD geode running as a backup firewall
06:27 < renaud> running 7.5 i386
06:27 < m0v> i mean
06:27 < m0v> can it be used for browsing?
06:27 < zelest> lynx is pretty lightweight ;)
06:27 < m0v> since it is potato speed computer
06:28 < renaud> as zelest said
06:28 < m0v> so im doomed to live in the terminal :(
06:29 < renaud> you should be able to use X, but not browse youtube
06:29 < m0v> mostly just reading blogs
06:29 < m0v> probably
06:29 < m0v> definitely no youtube
06:30 < m0v> i'll give it a shot
06:30 < m0v> maybe try running i3 ontop of it
06:30 < m0v> see what happens
06:30 < m0v> lol my phone is way faster than this notebook
06:30 < m0v> haha
06:31 < renaud> my phone is faster than my main computer
06:31 < renaud> the phone has less ram though (12Gb vs 32Gb)
06:31 < byteskeptical> lol nice
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06:32 < runxiyu> you can't run a 64-bit OS on a 32-bit system simply because your CPU doesn't have enough bits in the registers...
06:32 < byteskeptical> mpv is available if you download some media but anything past 720 will probably not be a good experience
06:32 < runxiyu> (apparently modern amd64 processors don't properly support i386 segmentation either, but everyone uses paging anyways)
06:33 < renaud> byteskeptical: an AMD Geode was slow even in the i386 time, so I am not sure you should expect 720p
06:33 < byteskeptical> a boy can dream but yeah you're probably right
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06:34 < renaud> the Geode main point was low consumption
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06:35 < m0v> i can dream
06:35 < m0v> lol
06:36 < m0v> this is what i got
06:36 < m0v> potato machine
06:36 < m0v> i'll live in CLI most of the time
06:36 < byteskeptical> no shame in the i386 game here
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06:36 < m0v> like it's '99
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06:37 < zelest> I mean, it's probably doable, but slow as a dog
06:37 < m0v> lol
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06:42 < runxiyu> i wish there could be a linux fbcon equivalent on openbsd
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06:43 < renaud> by fbcon, you mean framebuffer console?
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06:50 < m0v> okay
06:50 < m0v> so my potato won't even boot
06:50 < m0v> the i686 image
06:50 < m0v> stuck in bios
06:50 < m0v> strange
06:50 < m0v> not the bios config
06:51 < m0v> the spalsh screen
06:51 < m0v> splash
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06:52 < runxiyu> renaud: yeah
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07:15 < Posterdati> hi
07:15 < Posterdati> please help, is dump using ssh ports when dumping over ssh?
07:15 < Posterdati> Thanks!
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07:18 < runxiyu> unsure what your question means
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07:19 < renaud> Posterdati: if you dump via ssh, it will transfer everything through ssh as you asked it to do
07:19 < renaud> if I understand you well
07:20 < IcePic> Posterdati: yes, if it runs over ssh, then it defaults to what ssh does in terms of tcp ports.
07:22 < Posterdati> IcePic: thanks, because ssh works, but dump still gives connection refused
07:23 < IcePic> are you sure it does try ssh?
07:24 < Posterdati> no I'm not, how can I check this?
07:24 < IcePic> manpage seems to mention using rmt, but I'm not sure rmt tries to ride on ssh
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07:25 < renaud> what does your command line look like?
07:25 < IcePic> rmt seems to call rcmd(3), which in turn has some logic to figure out if it should or should not call whatever is in env var RSH, or use ssh
07:26 < Posterdati> doas dump -0auf user@dumpserver/file.dump1 /home
07:27 < IcePic> no colon in user@.. means no host
07:27 < IcePic> If the name of the file is of the form “host:file” or “user@host:file”, dump writes to the named file on the remote host using rmt(8).
07:27 < Posterdati> yes
07:27 < Posterdati> sorry
07:27 < Posterdati> doas dump -0auf user@dumpserver:/home/user/file.dump1 /home
07:30 < Posterdati> ok
07:30 < Posterdati> dump it using rmt
07:30 < Posterdati> so no ssh
07:34 < IcePic> the first part of https://man.openbsd.org/rcmd.3 is a bit weird to untangle, but if you are running this as root, I think you would set the env RSH to "ssh" and make sure you have all the key-stuff fixed so it can call the remote non-interactively.
07:35 < IcePic> as per: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=144274360917311&w=2
07:36 < Posterdati> thanks
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07:39 < runxiyu> Makefile, I could .SUFFIXES: .o .c    and use a target like .c.o to make .o files from .c files
07:39 < runxiyu> how could I make a file without an extension?
07:40 < runxiyu> e.g. a.c -> a
07:40 < op2> runxiyu: i believe that with default rules 'make a' will try to make 'a.o' and use a.c for it
07:40 < op2> don't even need a makefile, just 'make a' when a.c exists
07:42 < op2> hum, i was partially wrong, 'make a' will directly use a.c without the a.o step
07:42 < IcePic> op2: yeah, it will call cc to make the binary in one step
07:43 < IcePic> runxiyu: for openbsd, you could look at how the base system uses the shared makefile infrastructure to make a small neat Makefile. /usr/src/bin/ls/Makefile
07:44 < runxiyu> and some -DPREPROCESSOR_DEFINITIONS
07:45 < IcePic> the shared stuff is at /usr/share/mk/bsd.prog.mk but that one is convoluted to cover all kinds of cases, but does allow for small neat programs like /bin/ls to have a simple Makefile that defines the program name and a lib it wants in very few lines and that's it
07:45 < runxiyu> hm
07:45 < IcePic> depends a bit on what the actual end goal is
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07:54 < runxiyu> https://git.runxiyu.org/runxiyu/fases.git/tree/Makefile?h=runxiyu/overhauling-the-build-system
07:54 < runxiyu> I want something that basically does the same as the following lines in GNU-makefile:
07:55 < runxiyu> %: %.c\n\t$(CC) $(CFLAGS) $< common.c -o $@
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08:01 < IcePic> runxiyu: that line suggests the name of the binary is not to be known? As opposed to line 25-26 in the pasted url
08:02 < runxiyu> it's more like 28
08:03 < runxiyu> basically i want to be able to compile each utility as a standalone program, but also i want to be able to compile it as an object file to link into a "unified" executable that can call each main-ish function depending on the argv[0] it's called as
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08:03 < runxiyu> https://git.vitali64.duckdns.org/utils/fases.git/tree/Makefile?h=runxiyu/overhauling-the-build-system&id=1ebb15e39bc1dacb224460ab55ea0b12b6587cf7
08:04 < runxiyu> line 26 to 32
08:04 < runxiyu> and perhaps https://git.vitali64.duckdns.org/utils/fases.git/tree/ls.c?h=runxiyu/overhauling-the-build-system&id=1ebb15e39bc1dacb224460ab55ea0b12b6587cf7#n32
08:08 < IcePic> wait, re-inventing busybox?
08:09 < IcePic> for OpenBSD, the equivalent used in ramdisk installers is https://man.openbsd.org/crunchgen
08:11 < m0v> no success of installing openbsd on i586 hardware
08:11 < m0v> trying to install debian instead
08:12 < IcePic> m0v: what failed?
08:12 < renaud> m0v: what's that laptop?
08:12 < m0v> won't even boot using i386 image
08:12 < m0v> can boot amd64 image
08:13 < m0v> some old japanese laptop kohjinsha
08:13 < IcePic> if the cpu doesn't have fpu for instance, I think it will fail. Some 586-clones were basically jacked-up 486:s, and those do no suffice for openbsd
08:14 < m0v> what confuses me is that the amd64 image boots
08:14 < renaud> Soekris are using AMD Geode CPUs, they run OpenBSD just fine
08:14 < m0v> what could go wrong
08:15 < m0v> i tried to dd my usb stick several times
08:15 < m0v> thinking something corrupt
08:15 < IcePic> m0v: the bootblock is the same IIRC, it's when the kernel moves to LONG mode that it starts to differ between i386 and amd64
08:15 < renaud> amd64 will never work on this CPU, but i386 should. Maybe try a snapshot or an older version just to check
08:15 < IcePic> just a note from some commit last year: "AMD Elan SC520 has a Am5x86, 486-class processor.  We require a
08:15 < IcePic> 586-class processor."
08:16 < m0v> renaud: i know
08:16 < renaud> hw.model=Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by National Semi ("Geode by NSC" 586-class)
08:16 < m0v> is it possible that the image i downloaded got corrupted?
08:16 < renaud> hw.machine=i386
08:16 < m0v> there's only 1 partition
08:16 < m0v> while in amd64 image there are 2 partitions
08:16 < m0v> i think...
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08:18 < renaud> as I said, try a snapshot, an older version. But your USB stick might also be corrupted.
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08:19 < IcePic> i386 moving to pentium only was in 2020, so grab a release from before that and test perhaps, 6.6 or 6.5 should be from the 486-or-better period
08:19 < renaud> IcePic: I am running 7.5 with a Geode CPU
08:20 < IcePic> renaud: sure, but not all 586s are equal
08:20 < renaud> I guess his laptop is more powerful than the machine I am running
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08:21 < m0v> it originally runs windows XP
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08:22 < m0v> https://cdn.us.aving.net/news/photo/200705/9039_42968_1115.jpg
08:22 < m0v> this one
08:22 < renaud> https://www.small-laptops.com/kojinsha-e8/
08:23 < renaud> ?
08:24 < m0v> https://us.aving.net/news/articleView.html?idxno=9039
08:24 < m0v> i dont know if those are identical, just different case?
08:24 < m0v> but thats what i have
08:25 < m0v>  Price: 500,000(KRW) and 600,000(KRW) ($530 – $630 USD)
08:25 < m0v> lol
08:25 < m0v> this potato used to be expensive
08:25 < m0v> hahah
08:25 < renaud> it looks quite nice
08:25 < m0v> i won at a japanese online auction a few years ago
08:25 < m0v> never really used it
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08:43 < m0v> OpenBSD officially dropped support for i586 processors starting with OpenBSD 6.5. Therefore, OpenBSD 6.4 is the most recent version that still supports the i586 architecture.
08:43 < m0v> ah
08:43 < m0v> thanks GPT
08:43 < m0v> which confuses me even more
08:43 < m0v> because u use i586 renaud ?
08:43 < m0v> 7.5
08:46 < zelest> Wasn't it just 32bit vs 64bit? Or are you trying to install it on a < i585 machine?
08:47 < zelest> Ah, nvm
08:47 < zelest> There was more stuff in the backlog than I knew :D
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08:51 < renaud> I use the i386 image
08:53 < renaud> the i386 install page only mentions you need an FPU
08:54 < renaud> I don't see anything that points that i586 support has been dropped in 6.5 changelog
08:57 < renaud> but I also see in the install page that some custom BIOS won't work. So I suppose someone encountered some machine that just didn't work due to the BIOS.
08:58 < renaud> Also, I don't really trust chatGPT, it prefers answering wrong things than non answering
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08:59 < renaud> I don't like people that prefer say something wrong than admit they don't know
08:59 < renaud> And I have seen this is taught to salesmen
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09:01 < renaud> when I ordered my BMW, I asked the seller what was the weight repartition between front and read because it was an electric car, so it might differ somewhat from its gas countrepart. And the seller gave me the incredible answer of 20/80...
09:01 < renaud> s/read/rear/
09:01 < m0v> so you are saying my BIOS is not compatible?
09:01 < renaud> might be
09:01 < m0v> but why it boots the amd64 image?
09:01 < renaud> It's a somewhat niche computer
09:02 < renaud> it doesn't boot the amd64 image, you only see the bootloader
09:02 < m0v> yes
09:02 < renaud> I doubt the bootloader is very different between i386 and amd64
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09:02 < m0v> with the 32 image, the bootloader wont even load
09:03 < renaud> you could try booting the i386 image with the amd64 bootloader
09:03 < m0v> now thats beyond my knowledge
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09:04 < runxiyu> are the ISOs updated when there are system patches?
09:04 < renaud> runxiyu: no
09:09 < runxiyu> ah
09:21 < renaud> but at install time, you get a notification that there are patches available (if any)
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09:47 < runxiyu> i didn't set up wifi during installation
09:47 < runxiyu> and now it's hard for me to install... wifi
09:47 < runxiyu> or rather, to get wifi working at all
09:48 < runxiyu> fw_update :/
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09:49 < runxiyu> i'm apparently unable to get a dhcp address on my ethernet
09:49 < runxiyu> strange
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09:51 < al1r4d> hello.. i have a question: how to disable swap completely? because i run openbsd on emmc.. i worried about emmc health.. thank you
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09:57 < renaud> al1r4d: echo '/sbin/swapctl -d /dev/sd0b' >> /etc/rc.local
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10:03 < al1r4d> thank you :)
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10:03 < renaud> it's not the only way, but if your system is already installed, it's quite simple.
10:04 < al1r4d> okay renaud
10:04 < al1r4d> its working
10:04 < sibiria> don't forget to remove swap from your etc-fstab as well
10:04 < sibiria> it's a little bit "tidier"
10:05 < al1r4d> oh yeah, its good idea, sibiria
10:05 < al1r4d> i just migrated from linux... yeah, still shock about openbsd
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10:08 < renaud> sibiria: removing if from fstab is not sufficient if it's /dev/sd0b
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10:09 < renaud> obsd# grep swap /etc/fstab && swapctl                                                                                
10:09 < renaud> #9ec2438ab7bfee54.b none swap sw
10:09 < renaud> Device      512-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Priority
10:09 < renaud> /dev/wd0b      5732096        0  5732096     0%    0
10:10 < renaud> But it's cleaner to remove it of course, and you can even reformat the partition to get that space back
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10:25 < runxiyu> apparently my home wifi is broken
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10:30 < renaud> I think that 99% of home wifi networks are broken at some point :D
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10:43 < sibiria> renaud: i think it needs to be in fstab to be mounted
10:43 < sibiria> swapctl reads the fstab to find out what to do
10:44 < sibiria> (rc calls swapctl and mount -A etc.)
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11:06 < vortexx> https://www.openbsd.org/i386.html Pentium and up, with FPU
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11:13 < vortexx> Looks like 6.8 was the release that dropped i486 support
11:14 < vortexx> iirc AMD Geodes aren't quite i586
11:14 < vortexx> (I used the wayback machine on the i386.html to find the change)
11:15 < vortexx> m0v: try the 6.7 i386 release, that should probably work
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11:19 < sibiria> didn't i386 bump the requirement to i586 ("pentium") already ages ago?
11:19 < sibiria> as in 15 years ago
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11:19 < m0v> thanks vortexx 
11:19 < vortexx> sibiria: no it bumped to i486 ages ago
11:19 < m0v> but i tried multiple linux distros too
11:20 < vortexx> yw m0v 
11:20 < m0v> and it murdered the hdd
11:20 < m0v> lol
11:20 < m0v> i wanted to run openbsd on it so bad that i tried every possible combination of things
11:21 < m0v> and killed the hdd
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11:23 < vortexx> sibiria: https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20070530031412 2007 was when the 80386 support was removed
11:25 < sibiria> the 486 bump i remember
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11:28 < renaud> sibiria: I have tested, and if you use ?d0b, it will be mounted by default even if removed from fstab. As my paste suggested.
11:31 < IcePic> renaud: I seem to recall that also
11:31 < sibiria> it probably doesn't read fstab then like documentation says, but the actual disklabel
11:32 < IcePic> having a swap slice on the same device as the root device would make it enable block swap on it. fstab would be so you could use swapctl to turn it off and on later 
11:33 < renaud> swapctl doesn't need fstab to turn it on/off, unless maybe with -A
11:34 < sibiria> i guess it goes only for actual block device
11:34 < sibiria> unlike with a swap file, where an fstab entry is required
11:34 < sibiria> (for obvious reasons)
11:36 < sibiria> maybe the kernel mounts it on its own to acquire the "dump" location early
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12:04 < al1r4d> i wonder why you all choose openbsd as main operating system even openbsd have performance problem? would you explain? (this question for all users) (i respect for all openbsd contributors.)
12:06 < sibiria> i like its tidiness and its well-structured layout. i don't require high performance from it
12:06 < renaud> security > performance
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12:09 < sibiria> in my case it's not my main operating system. i use macOS for that. openbsd is my multi-functional router/server
12:15 < vortexx> al1r4d: I don't use OpenBSD as my daily driver even if it's installed multiboot on my laptop. My wifi isn't supported (AX500) and audio bluetooth is an issue as well. I use OpenBSD where I can though, like on routers and VMs
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12:23 < IcePic> al1r4d: Once upon a time I was involved with a forum where many people would discuss overclocking their computers (a lot) and solutions to cooling and so on. In the part of the group that overclocked the most aggressively, crashes were "normal". Yet, they would benchmark and find out if pushing ram speed up a bit would give 1.223% more fps or some other value easily tested for. None of them considered how 
12:23 < IcePic> much of a "performance loss" a crash was worth. It was ok for them to run their machines so fast that they would crash out of the game they played, wait for reboot, perhaps tune down some BIOS settings again and reload the game. 
12:24 < IcePic> al1r4d: choosing obsd with its slightly less performance is the same for me. Not getting hacked, not worrying about if next update changes everything so no docs are valid anymore and all that just goes away.
12:25 < IcePic> things I learned in the 90s still work out fine on obsd (and the other BSDs). Things about linux in the 90s are not the same at all.
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12:28 < renaud> normal, there is no more gnu/linux, now almost only systemd/linux
12:28 < IcePic> for me, getting 15% faster file systems or 15% faster wifi would not make my life better, especially if it comes at a cost of having to relearn system monitoring tools (netstat, ifconfig), init systems, audio (oss, also, pulse, jack, whatever)
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12:29 < renaud> I was also in the overclocking scene, let's talk about peltier subzero cooling :)
12:30 < IcePic> renaud: not saying its not a real sport, just that one of the major things was just not even counted in
12:30 < IcePic> how much fps is "rebooting after a crash" worth?
12:31 < IcePic> the rolling average is taking a hit there while you wait for winders to chkdsk your WinXP boot.
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12:32 < renaud> It was more some kind of hidden contest about who would run his CPU with the highest frequency
12:34 < oldlaptop> <IcePic> al1r4d: choosing obsd with its slightly less performance is the same for me. Not getting hacked, not worrying about if next update changes everything so no docs are valid anymore and all that just goes away.
12:34 < oldlaptop> interesting - openbsd is historically not shy about just changing something if developers assess it needs changing
12:35 < renaud> IcePic: my old overclocking site (now defunct): https://web.archive.org/web/20050217083435/http://www.octools.com/
12:35 < oldlaptop> but they *do* have a certain approach to how they do that
12:36 < IcePic> oldlaptop: well, in the old days, the system compiler was cc. then it became gcc, but cc still works and is what the /usr/src Makefile calls. Now it is clang, which you still call with "cc", so depending on your view, nothing changed, or lots and lots of things changed in the system compiles
12:36 < oldlaptop> like, maybe ALTQ goes away, but pf.conf(5) doesn't get replaced with lisp macros
12:36 < renaud> the thing about OpenBSD is that devs dare breaking ABI between releases
12:37 < oldlaptop> dhclient -> dhpleased is a big deal in some cases, but not on the same scale as (linux) ifconfig -> ip
12:37 < IcePic> oldlaptop: well, I'd say the change was to have hostname.if use "autoconf" instead of the name of the tool that gives you an ip
12:38 < oldlaptop> and it all adds up to openbsd being maybe one of the more open to changes in an "ordinary" scheduled six-month release, and also somehow still one of the more old-fashioned free unixoids
12:38 < oldlaptop> (and hostname.if can still say dhcp)
12:39 < oldlaptop> renaud: and so they don't wrap back in time
12:41 < renaud> in linux, you have multiple commands for network stuff, ifconfig ip iwconfig iw. And config is at different places from distro to distro
12:41 < oldlaptop> There used to be multiple ones just for wi-fi
12:41 < oldlaptop> don't forget ethtool
12:42 < IcePic> miitool before ethtool
12:42 < IcePic> needed a way to set half-duplex if your site had cisco gear who screwed up FDX negotiations. ;)
12:43 < renaud> and netplan for ubuntu
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12:54 < Nazral> Hi, I've got a fresh install of openbsd and I have a sound problem: headphones work out of the box, speakers are dead (I tried and followed https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html, they do work on linux though)
12:56 < Nazral> ... well, nevermind, after this fiddling on linux, I rebooted in openbsd and it works ... 
12:56 < Nazral> sorry :D
12:59 < sibiria> don't forget our friend wpa_supplicant. the messier the soup, the better
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13:37 < renaud> sibiria: note that OpenBSD also needs wpa-supplicant with 802.1x
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13:37 < renaud> and afaik, there is no support for wpa3
13:39 < sibiria> there is no support for wpa3 yet. does anyone really use EAP still outside of windows "Enterprise" environments?
13:41 < sibiria> or linux maybe outsources all of its authentication to wpa_supplicant
13:44 < oldlaptop> "enterprise" environments can include things like (say) college campus networks
13:47 < oldlaptop> (that's been my only cause to use wpa_supplicant on OpenBSD in the past decade or whatever, might be other public/semi-public instances)
13:49 < oldlaptop> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20130128142215 note comment
13:50 < IcePic> Yeah, eduroam would be one reason for wpa_supplicant
13:51 < runxiyu> sibiria: my school does
13:53 < oldlaptop> I would generally expect such institutions to have a public captive-portal thing (annoyances obvious) and a WPA-EAP-whatever network
13:54 < runxiyu> My school uses both, on top of each other
13:54 < runxiyu> TLS v1.0 PEAP WiFi, then a captive portal
13:54 < oldlaptop> :(
13:54 < runxiyu> they have absolutely no mitigation for arp spoofing
13:54 < oldlaptop> :(
13:54 < runxiyu> the captive portal is some JavaScript garbage and it's plain HTTP
13:55 < runxiyu> it attempts to encrypt things with the current unix timestamp in milliseconds, but it uses rc4
13:55  * oldlaptop will stop spamming - catch-all :(
13:55 < runxiyu> rc4, an insecure and symmetric cipher; and they send the key along with the ciphertext so the encryption is absolutely useless
13:55 < oldlaptop> Advanced cybersecurity techniques here.
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13:56 < runxiyu> so i surprised them with https://git.runxiyu.org/runxiyu/tooch.git/tree/sjauth/sjauth.c
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13:57 < oldlaptop> Maybe the whole thing is secretly an educational exercise
13:57 < oldlaptop> sure worked if so :)
13:57 < runxiyu> (i want to make this just a posix shell script, but i was unable to implement rc4 in shell without going nuts)
13:57 < m0v> reporting back, tried the 6.7 release as suggested by vortexx, doesnt load the bootloader, also tried 6.4 release suggested by GPT, also doesnt work, not sure whats wrong with this netbook
13:58 < m0v> i give up
13:59 < oldlaptop> FWIW: https://core.tcl-lang.org/tcllib/doc/trunk/embedded/md/tcllib/files/modules/rc4/rc4.md :)
13:59 < renaud> stop using GPT :)
13:59 < renaud> you have an exotic laptop, maybe there are BIOS parameters you can tweak too
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14:00 < oldlaptop> (tcl is approximately what "bourne-ish shell, but redone as a usable language" looks like)
14:00 < runxiyu> i mean, if I couldn't do it in standard /bin/sh, i'd probably just go with C
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14:52 < vortexx> m0v: how much ram does your laptop have ?
14:52 < vortexx> that might be a factor here
14:52 < m0v> 1GB i think
14:52 < vortexx> as much as that? ok shouldn't be an issue then
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14:54 < vortexx> you might want to start on much much older releases then, like 3.x or 4.x
14:55 < vortexx> I've got a laptop that's stuck on 5.0/i386 cos the driver for the chipset got borked after that, disabling usb support
14:55 < vortexx> and thus network, since it doesn't have an ethernet port or wifi
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19:27 < weikerigen> Hello, is there a configuration option for httpd to customize or remove the "Server" header?
19:30 < thrig> fiddle with server_http.c and recompile
19:32 < quinq> (or usr.sbin/httpd/httpd.h)
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19:33 < quinq> Rename it to NetBSD httpd
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19:34 < serious> templeOS or webTV httpd if you're going to the trouble anyway 
19:34 < weikerigen> okay thanks
19:35 < sibiria> +1 for templeOS
19:36 < sibiria> also add "Terry Davis was here before Kilroy"
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22:08 < highplainsdruid> anyone know why mongodb is so out of date in ports?
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22:19 < Bradipo> highplainsdruid: Whatever is there has been working for me. :-)
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22:23 < highplainsdruid> it's on version 4 something while the latest release is 7 something
22:24 < highplainsdruid> i couldn't get pypdfium to build on openbsd either so i just have it running on a debian vm along with my application
22:25 < sibiria> it's possible that mongodb became "unportable" or linux-centric after version 4
22:25 < Bradipo> Unlinuxable.
22:26 < highplainsdruid> i figured it was something like that
22:27 < highplainsdruid> i've kind of accepted as i get further and further into web application development that my applications will have to run on linux
22:28 < highplainsdruid> i keep them behind an openbsd firewall and reverse proxy and hope for the best
22:28 < Bradipo> highplainsdruid: https://learnbchs.org/
22:29 < highplainsdruid> C?  no thank you lol, not for this project
22:30 < highplainsdruid> also, sqlite?  interesting choice
22:30 < highplainsdruid> i'm really liking python/flask/waitress/mongodb
22:31 < highplainsdruid> built a few tools that make our life at the grocery store easier already
22:31 < highplainsdruid> going to be replacing our entire point of sale system
22:31 < highplainsdruid> i tentatively have a deal with a guy to take over his business designing POS software for grocery stores
22:31 < highplainsdruid> i buy in by building the next version
22:31 < Bradipo> Yeah, that can be an interesting market.
22:32 < highplainsdruid> i could totally do it BCHS style but it would take ten times as long to develop
22:34 < Bradipo> I guess I don't typically consider POS software "web" software.
22:35 < Bradipo> So yeah, BCHS, no, BC maybe. :-)
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22:39 < Guruuuuuu> Is there a way to view the stdout/stderr of OpenBSD rcctl services? A lot of them are failing but it doesn't say why, just the "servicename(failed)"
22:40 < highplainsdruid> everything is a web application these days
22:40 < highplainsdruid> the pos runs in a web browser
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23:22 < oldlaptop> [18:30:04] <highplainsdruid> also, sqlite?  interesting choice
23:22 < oldlaptop> probably the most appropriate choice for a large majority of websites that need/want an SQL database
23:22 < oldlaptop> (and probably a fair chunk of the ones that think they want document databases or whatever)
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23:23 < oldlaptop> (mongodb in particular had some drama around becoming not-free a while ago, IIRC)
23:25 < oldlaptop> I take no position on its appropriateness for POS software in particular, but I'd want to do https://wapp.tcl.tk/home/doc/trunk/README.md
23:25 < oldlaptop> (should deploy fine behind either relayd or slowcgi, and sqlite practically goes without saying)
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