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01:27 < rx> Is it possible to customize the section line in mdoc output?
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01:28 < rx> e.g. I have a custom section number (7rx), and instead of having 7rx at the top of the rendered page, I'd like to see "Rx manual" instead
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12:42 < Nazral> I just saw the macbook air m1 can run openbsd, is it daily-driveable by any chance? (i.e. works reasonably well without too much tinkering?)
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12:55 < rx> i tried a year or somethign ago, and suspend didn't work back then
12:55 < rx> dunno if things have changed
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13:54 < remiliascarlet> "and suspend didn't work back then" Sounds like with the PowerBooks with their PowerPC processors.
13:54 < polarian> say you are writing a C program, you need high quality entropy, what does OpenBSD offer... does it still use arc4random?
13:54 < polarian> (I read somewhere that arc4random is old and deprecated now)
13:57 < IcePic> arc4random is fine
13:57 < IcePic> the old algo behind it changed to something better
13:57 < remiliascarlet> Reading the manpage of arc4random(3), it doesn't look deprecated to me.
13:57 < Nazral> rx: ty
13:58 < IcePic> it depends slightly on how much entropy you want if you should call getentropy(), one of the arc4random* functions or read out from /dev/random
13:58 < vortexx> man getentropy says to use arc4random and man arc4random says chacha20 cipher is used and may be changed at some later date
13:59 < rx> polarian: arc4random is deprecated on some other systems; I just use ifdefs to use arc4random_buf on OpenBSD and getrandom on Linux
14:00 < rx> I might avoid /dev/random due to chroot considerations
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14:00 < rx> remiliascarlet: It just that people haven't figured out power management yet. 
14:00 < rx> It's*
14:00 < rx> I remembered when Asahi Linux didn't have proper power management
14:01 < polarian> vortexx: point proven :P
14:01 < polarian> rx: ah that explains it... it was likely deprecated on Linux for chacha 
14:01 < polarian> not on OpenBSD 
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14:01 < IcePic> recent glibc and openbsd both support getentropy() for "smallish" amounts of random data
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14:01 < polarian> IcePic: is getentropy() generated through arc4random?
14:02 < rx> (You should probably use getrandom(2) for Linux)
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14:02 < IcePic> polarian: on openbsd it is the reverse I think, getentropy() seeds arc4random stream for you
14:03 < rx> polarian: I don't see where getentropy is generated through arc4random, the man page just says that normal code should use arc4random. Also getentropy seems to be a syscall, and I doubt that a syscall calls a library function
14:03 < IcePic> getentropy() fills a buffer with high-quality entropy, which can be used as input for process-context pseudorandom generators like arc4random(3).
14:03 < IcePic> says "man getentropy"
14:03 < polarian> IcePic: ah so getentropy() is usually used to seed arc4random 
14:03 < rx> seems so
14:03 < IcePic> so getentropy is a syscall, whereas arc4random*() calls are libc
14:03 < polarian> so getentropy returns raw entropy
14:03 < polarian> from the kernel
14:04 < rx> Interestingly, in Linux getentropy just calls getrandom... alright I'm going offtopic
14:04 < polarian> why is entropy such a shitshow 
14:04 < IcePic> polarian: people had weird ideas on why it needed to be bad for a very long time
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14:05 < IcePic> like SunOS/Solaris not having a /dev/random device node unless you has the SUNWskip "security" package with crypto stuff which was not legal outside US
14:05 < IcePic> and all those urandom,srandom,random dev nodes being different was also a mistake
14:06 < rx> what is srandom
14:06 < rx> oh
14:06 < rx> seeded
14:06 < IcePic> in the old days, the slowest and best entropy source
14:06 < rx> huh
14:06  * zelest reads them as ultra-random and super-random
14:07 < polarian> headache...
14:07 < IcePic> and one was supposed to make certs and rsa keys from srandom, then use "random" for the per-session keys, but it would also stall sometimes so busy SSL servers would flip to using urandom for per-session entropy
14:07 < IcePic> so if the "idea" that urandom was crap, your https:// site was still using guessable crap session keys so anyone could listen in
14:08 < IcePic> OR, all entropy was actually good, and you sitting and moving the mouse to stir the srandom was futile
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14:12 < polarian> it would be easier just to hook up a block of uranium to a geiger counter at this point /j
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14:18 < sibiria> hardware entropy generators use a bunch of various electronic tricks in the analog domain. not sure radiation is one of them but who knows
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14:19 < rx> should probably use radioactive decay /hj
14:22 < IcePic> I think overcharing backwards current on a transistor is popular
14:23 < IcePic> overcharging*
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14:24 < sibiria> a very common and simple way to produce white noise in analog synthesizers. it's a working approach
14:24 < sibiria> diodes can also be used in similar way to make noise
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14:34  * ericonr would use getentropy for most cases because it's actually supported by most modern platforms
14:35 < ericonr> Unless generating a lot of random numbers, then arc4random might be a significant performance advantage 
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14:38 < polarian> ericonr: thx
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14:44 < a1fa> o/ hey y'all.. something has happened to my Meta key - it does not work - i wonder if it is related to event bus or something else?
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14:48 < sibiria> ericonr: i think it's about as fast as secure PRNGs go
14:49 < a1fa> i wonder if my .xresources file got corrupt
14:49 < a1fa> nope :(
14:50 < sibiria> there are of course a lot faster PRNGs that are "unpredictably pseudorandom", but arc4random wears belts and suspenders in order to keep people calm
14:51 < a1fa> looks like other keyboard keys are also not working, Ctrl,Meta,Alt
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15:09 < lts> Try with xev(1) whether they work at all, and if they do, try "setxkbmap <yourmap>" to fix it
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15:11 < a1fa> lts: looks like bios update broke it
15:11 < a1fa> i have no clue how thats even possible
15:12 < lts> I hope downgrade fixes it for you
15:12 < a1fa> its not registering in xev at all
15:12 < a1fa> how crazy is that
15:14 < a1fa> i am going to try reloading defaults first
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15:18 < a1fa> rollback time :(
15:18 < a1fa> i have never seen this before
15:19 < a1fa> new USB keyboard works fine
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15:22 < a1fa> operator error ;) i guess this keyboard has a switch that toggles win key on and off.. it somehow got flipped on
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15:23 < lts> :-)
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15:24 < a1fa> 9/10 on the silly scale
15:24 < a1fa> apologies for the fire drill :)
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16:36 < lts> Have to appreciate how the tracking spy stuff is longer than the actual link
16:38 < thrig> bloat factor(TM)
16:39 < vortexx> just delete everything from the question mark onwards
16:39 < vortexx> make urls great (and short) again!
16:40 < thrig> google will probably propose embedding web fonts into URL
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19:39 < ratsclub> Hello, folks. I would like to ask if this https://opencollective.com/openbsdfoundation is a legit place to donate to OpenBSD
19:41 < jcs> no
19:41 < phy1729>  Don't see it linked to from https://www.openbsdfoundation.org/donations.html
19:42 < jcs> looks like it was just used one time by the foundation to collect from some general fund
19:44 < ratsclub> I see, I'll default to PayPal in that case. Thanks!
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21:04 < wolfdog> hi everyone, using login_yubikey(8), is there a way to also allow normal password authentication? using the auth-defaults options on login.conf seems to only let me use either passwd or yubikey
21:04 < wolfdog> as in, when i have both of them only the first one works
21:07 < sibiria> you could make a new class
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21:12 < wolfdog> and having that class use ':auth=passwd,yubikey:' or something like that?
21:12 < wolfdog> maybe i can edit staff to have that
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21:23 < wolfdog> oh wait, i think i might be misunderstanding how it works
21:23 < wolfdog> the first one is the default and any others need to be specified manually...
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