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01:14 < TaelTydes> is anyone running wayland / dwl by any chance? I've bought an amd gpu so I can switch to obsd on my machine & was planning on going back to x11 but the gpu only has 2 dp outputs & I run 3 vertical monitors.
01:16 < TaelTydes> I have adapted the startsway.sh script provided by the sway package & thing have been mostly smooth sailing once I figured I need to add my user to the operator group for /dev access.
01:18 < TaelTydes> The only issue I'm facing is that the cursor keeps getting stuck. Falling back to the tty & starting dwm/dwl does not fix the issue. 
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01:21 < TaelTydes> I'm just getting into dwl, so unsure if the problem might stem from there. Can anyone suggest what logs I should be looking at, or general resources for learning about interfacing with mice & kb on obsd?
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01:28 < setient> TaelTydes: do you have linux experience?
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01:44 < TaelTydes> I do setient:
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01:49 < TaelTydes> All user space though. The comprehendable kernel was my push towards obsd. Not very familiar with hardware interfacing thought. It's not something I've had to concern myself with yet.
01:49 < setient> TaelTydes: its all the same, kde on openbsd is kde
01:49 < setient> its the same as linux for most terminal commands. there are some differences in flags because bsd vs gnu
01:50 < setient> i think OBSD uses X Org instead of wayland
01:50 < setient> did you get wayland installed and working following some tutorial?
01:51 < pardis> OpenBSD just uses X.org, there is no "instead of Wayland"
01:51 < pardis> Wayland is by no means a default that needs to be deviated from
01:51 < setient> thats what i thought
01:52 < setient> i don't run X on my openbsd machine (its a sparc64 headless machine)
01:52 < TaelTydes> I've been running river for a while, & thought i'd try out dwm seeing as xenocara covers some of the proposed security benefits of wayland, & being vetted in base is likely the safer bet. 
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01:53 < TaelTydes> This gpu has only 2 dp's & I run 3 little vertical monitors. X seemed to be having some trouble with the hdmi monitor which resulted in tearing & general wierd behavior.
01:55 < TaelTydes> I figured I would guinei* pig but wasn't sure if any others were doing the same.
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01:58 < TaelTydes> this is the first I'm hearing of spark64 :setient. care to share the use case?
01:59 < setient> sparc64 is just another architecture like amd64 or arm64
01:59 < setient> its basically dead now and i have an old machine that i got running again to use as a seedbox.
01:59 < TaelTydes> & no tutorial's. I have taken a look through ircnow's guides though. haven't found the time just yet.
02:00 < setient> do you know if you were running in accelerated mode or not?
02:00 < TaelTydes> nice. any wierd gotchas with keeping the architecture alive or mostly smooth sailing?
02:01 < TaelTydes> I've no idea tbh. I don't play games. Just programming. vulkaninfo runs though, which I presume is a good thing.
02:02 < setient> yeah, so i found out with rtorrent, i am getting segbus faults. it is because the sparc64 has different memory alignment than say, arm64 or x86_64
02:03 < setient> and has requirements where those might have stuff
02:03 < setient> TaelTydes: yeah, i would check to make sure if it is running in accelerated mode
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02:05 < setient> i learned about sigbus this week
02:05 < TaelTydes> setient: i'll look into that now. & could be interesting insight to some assumptions.
02:05 < TaelTydes> have you found a fix?
02:06 < setient> no
02:07 < setient> i prolly would need to write a patch
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02:07 < setient> its essentially not ported
02:07 < setient> i think
02:07 < TaelTydes> i wonder if there is any sort of translation layer that could bridge the gap. 
02:10 < TaelTydes> wishful thinking though I suppose. I might have to pick up a less supported architecture to learn some stuff.
02:11 < setient> oh def
02:11 < setient> i mean, you can run bochs/qemu to just run x86 code
02:11 < setient> most of my openbsd experience is not on x86, i have used alpha, mac68k, macppc, sparc, sparc64
02:11 < setient> its been a few years since i touched openbsd though
02:12 < setient> i mostly ran it on sparc 
02:12 < setient> mac68k and sparc are no longer supported
02:13 < TaelTydes> I started with powerpc, though I definetely wasn't aware of that at the time. 
02:13 < setient> yeah
02:13 < setient> i mean, i started with x86
02:13 < setient> i got a bunch of fun hardware in the early 2000's
02:14 < setient> funnest machines I ran it on was a quadra 840av
02:15 < setient> i ended up switching to netbsd on that one though, had a friend who was heavily into m68k netbsd ports
02:16 < TaelTydes> nice. mine was an ibook g4. it was a good intro to computing. it's took a long time to come back around to unix though.
02:16 < setient> oh i had one of those! 800 mhz g4
02:18 < TaelTydes> i remember attempting to get snow leopard on it. I can't remember if I did. I imagined it would kick the thing up a notch but it likely would have done the opposite. 
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02:20 < setient> thats neat!
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02:38 < benrc6> Is it possible to suspend (zzz) for an amount of time and hibernate (ZZZ) after suspending for an amount of time? Like suspend after 10 minutes idle and transition to hibernation 20 minutes after suspension?
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02:41 < setient> oh hm
02:41 < setient> i was going to respond
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03:32 < TaelTydes> it seems this bitlbee buisness might have to wait. see you on the other side.
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04:22 < rozenglass>  /lastlog bitlbee
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09:43 < tercaL> pkg_add -u tells me about a change on Dovecot version 2.3.21v0 to 2.3.21.1v0, how to see what changed between these two versions?
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09:52 < al1r4d> does anyone know how to use this on OpenBSD? https://github.com/thesofproject/sof-bin
09:53 < al1r4d> without that, my speaker wont active
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11:27 < avemestr> tercaL: https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/mail/dovecot/Makefile
11:27 < avemestr> tercaL: A couple of CVEs addressed.
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11:28 < avemestr> tercaL: More details: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=172373643330576&w=2
11:29 < avemestr> al1r4d: What's your device?
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11:30 < avemestr> al1r4d: Preferably a dmesg.
11:30 < avemestr> (on some paste site)
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12:04 < tercaL> thanks a lot avemestr
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13:02 < al1r4d> Nothing snd
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13:02 < al1r4d> avemestr
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15:06 < tercaL> With PF, I cannot make TCP 53 port connection from my server to an external/public DNS server of mine, even if I have this rule: "pass quick on $ext_if proto { tcp, udp } from any to ($ext_if) port 53.
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15:07 < tercaL> However if I add; "pass out quick on $ext_if proto { tcp, udp} to any port 53", I am able to connect to someip:53, and I'm confused. The first rule does not mention "in" or "out", isn't it supposed to pass for the both?
15:07 < tercaL> Why should I explicitly add ^^second rule which states "pass out", while I have "pass quick on.."?
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15:11 < tercaL> Here's my pf.conf: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/vyUn7huM
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15:12 < sibiria> tercaL: the rule doesn't translate to "pass out on $ext proto udp to any port 53"
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15:15 < sibiria> you want to pass UDP traffic OUT on $ext, from ($ext), to any port 53
15:18 < setient> sibiria: tcp over DNS is important these days for DNS SEC, if he is using that
15:18 < setient> Also, you have to consider just because it can receive a packet, doesn't mean it can respond and sned out a packet on that port
15:18 < setient> i think
15:22 < sibiria> DNSSEC rarely has to hit TCP, but you are right, it can happen with large signatures
15:22 < sibiria> but my point remains, the PF rule is wrong
15:23 < tercaL> This is my Authoritative nameserver for my domains
15:23 < sibiria> it's phrased backwards. "from any to ($ext_if)" is inbound 
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15:24 < tercaL> But I sometimes need to connect public:53
15:24 < tercaL> sibiria: even I don't mention pass in/pass out?
15:25 < tercaL> *even if
15:25 < sibiria> to make outbound connections to a DNS elsewhere, pass out on ext from (ext) to any port 53
15:25 < sibiria> to accept inbound (if you're running e.g nsd or bind), pass in on ext from any to (ext) port 53
15:26 < sibiria> the mistake you made is in the from/to
15:26 < sibiria> even if you omit in/out which implies two rules covering both
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15:35 < vortexx> the other mistake is the rule passed traffic to the external interface's port 53/tcp, not to the outside.
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15:41 < setient> i read it wrong, thank you sibiria 
15:41 < setient> i didn't catch that fix
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16:32 < ssm_> is there a binding to kill a process with SIGINFO? on freebsd it's ^T, but that doesn't seem to work here
16:33 < avemestr> man signal might be a good starting point, but perhaps you're already past that.
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17:00 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/stty.txt
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17:04 < pvalenta> p
17:04 < pvalenta> sorry, misstype 
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17:43 < begriffs> How do I identify the maintainer of a port?
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17:45 < begriffs> (In particular, arm-none-eabi-gdb)
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17:50 < jcs> :/usr/ports$ make search key=arm-none-eabi-gdb
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18:04 < ssm_> begriffs: make show=MAINTAINER
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18:08 < begriffs> Thanks. It just says the ports mailing list, so I guess nobody in particular.
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18:11 < begriffs> My bigger issue is trying to use obsd to do embedded development for stm32 arm chips. I modified the arm-none-eabi-gcc to use the "rmprofile" multilib, and build picolibc from source, but I found that arm-none-eabi-gdb is too old to understand the dwarf symbols in libc and libgcc. I stripped debug symbols by hand and got it working, but the whole thing is very fragile. I wonder if maybe having a separate Linux computer is best for embedded dev
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18:12 < begriffs> Anyway, sorry for the rant. I think arm-none-eabi-gcc is used for cross compiling obsd itself, and so I don't think the maintainers are open to changing it, like including the rmprofile. Maybe it could be a different port flavor or something...
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22:51 < linetrace> has anyone running (or trying to) recent amd64 -current snapshots experienced hangs during boot?
22:51 < linetrace> especially around/after nvme(4) detect/attach?
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22:53 < viq|w> kern.version=OpenBSD 7.6-beta (GENERIC.MP) #258: Sat Aug 17 01:11:49 MDT 2024 booted for me without issue, though I don't have any OpenBSD hosts with nvme
22:53 < linetrace> Tried upgrading from amd64/7.5-stable on 2024-08-01 and again today, but still hangs after nvme0/scsibus1/sd0 output (2015 MacBook Air w/i7-5650U)
22:54 < linetrace> The NVMe is a Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 500GB
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22:54 < linetrace> I do see there has been recent development in nvme(4)
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23:08 < vortexx> linetrace: I'll have to reboot to update to -current, will try tomorrow to see if my nvme device has this issue too
23:09 < vortexx> (on linux atm)
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23:21 < linetrace> vortexx: Certainly interested in your results. I'll try to get a bug report submitted shortly too
23:24 < oldlaptop> does bsd.rd do the same thing?
23:25 < oldlaptop> (I'm in a similar boat to vortexx, the one nvme box runs linux on the metal - though I guess I have most of that nvme disk unpartitioned still...)
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