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01:25 < gnucode> Is anyone running a 64-bit on 32-bit Hurd ?
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01:25 < gnucode> sorry wrong channel
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01:44 < pardis> wrong channel is a common problem with microkernels
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03:30 < ssm_> Guest8893 om: lol are you unregistered or something
03:30 < ssm_> actually if they aren't I don't think they can talk here
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06:13 < remiliascarlet> TommyC: By having to write 1000s of lines of code before even being able to render anything to the screen.
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06:16 < remiliascarlet> highplainsdruid: The climate here is sub-tropical from late spring to early fall, and and from early January to mid March it's freezing cold.
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08:15 < alx^> I can't launch DDB with Ctrl-Alt-Esc (with sysctl ddb.console=1), any idea why ? I'm on an ISO keyboard but it should not afftect Ctrl, Alt and Esc
08:16 < alx^> I'm on the computer itself, with a prompt
08:16 < alx^> and an USB keyboard
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08:24 < IcePic> alx^: if on x86(_64) perhaps you can set it to =2 and try C-A-Del ?
08:24 < IcePic> https://man.openbsd.org/ddb
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08:25 < IcePic> (needs a reboot I think, so you have to set it at sysctl.conf and one reboot later it would presumably work)
08:26 < alx^> Ah yes, I didn't dare changing machdep.kbdreset casue I didn't know where to find info on it
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08:28 < IcePic> there is a way to call sysctl ddb.trigger also
08:28 < IcePic> https://man.openbsd.org/sysctl.2
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08:29 < IcePic> (ddb.trigger)
08:29 < IcePic> When DBCTL_CONSOLE is set, writing to DBCTL_TRIGGER causes the system to enter ddb(4). When running with a securelevel(7) greater than 0, the process writing to this variable must be running on the console in order to enter ddb(4)
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08:29 < alx^> IcePic: I would just 'sysctl ddb.trigger=1' ?
08:30 < IcePic> yes, as root from the console
08:30 < alx^> okay I'll try this first
08:31 < alx^> I realize I need another way, because I'm investigating a freeze, so I'll need to launch it with the keyboard too
08:32 < alx^> do you think machdep.kdbreset has possible security/stability implications ? Or should I just go for it ?
08:32 < IcePic> if stuff is bad already, then go for it
08:32 < IcePic> worst case, you learn some from it. =)
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08:33 < IcePic> best case you learn a lot from it. 
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08:39 < alx^> yeah I might as well
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08:40 < alx^> when entering DDB with 'sysctl ddb.trigger=1' it won't take any input... could be frozen afaik :S
08:40 < alx^> i'll try the machdep way and confirm
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11:05 < alx^> Well machdep.kbdreset=2 didn't let me launch DDB either
11:06 < alx^> Is this elligible for bugs@openbsd.org or am just missing something ?
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11:24 < pardis> are you using a USB keyboard?
11:25 < pardis> oh, you said earlier you are
11:25 < pardis> there is no USB in ddb
11:25 < pardis> you will not be able to use a USB keyboard there
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11:31 < alx^> damn
11:32 < alx^> had tested with a USB->PS/2 converter but hadn't worked... should have tested all the way with a real ps/2 kdb
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11:33 < alx^> because it works... be it Ctrl-Alt-Esc (or now Ctrl-Alt-Del with machdep.kbdreset=2), or inputing into DDB
11:33 < alx^> tl;dr use a ps/2 keyboard :3
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15:55 < klsrqm> wondering: anyone here use Tailscale on OpenBSD? I am running into a problem with `tailscale file get`. Tested sending files with other machines (MacOS to Linux) and it worked file, however when I run `doas tailscale file get .` on OpenBSD it just hangs and nothing happens
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16:36 < martian67> kikadf: why use doas?
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16:39 < kikadf> martian67: ?
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16:42 < klsrqm> martian67: because tailscale is running as a service
16:43 < martian67> seems insane to need to run it as root just to do stuff like transfer files
16:43 < miah> if you 'doas -s' can you then execute `tailscale file get .`?
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16:44 < klsrqm> it runs, but rather than it running the transfer, it just does nothing
16:45 < klsrqm> same issue
16:45 < miah> sounds liek its not a problem with doas then
16:46 < miah> you might need to add a uh. --diagnose in that commandline somewhere; i don't know tailscale but that looks the closest to a --verbose / --debug kinda thing
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16:46 < miah> althought that argument might only be available under tailscale bugreport
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16:48 < miah> im not sure how tailscale intends for users to debug stuff, so if you do you'll want to look into that
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16:49 < klsrqm> right... pebkac
16:49 < lts> ktrace(1) and kdump(1) may help with troubleshooting
16:49 < klsrqm> i was sending the file to the wrong machine .... 
16:49 < lts> ...nevermind :-)
16:49 < klsrqm> sorry everyone
16:50 < klsrqm> mind i will give ktrace and kdump a go now, just out of curiosity, sounds like a good skill to learn
16:50 < miah> good luck on your tailscale adventures
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17:42 < klsrqm> thank you :)
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18:48 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. I have two versions of php installed, php-8.1.29 and php-8.2.21.
18:49 < dfdx> Right now, /usr/local/bin/php points to php-8.1
18:49 < dfdx> is there a safe way to make that point to php-8.2?
18:49 < dfdx> aside from just manually running ln -s?
18:49 < dfdx> i don't know if doing that will break anything.
18:49 < Lucas> what do you mean with "safe"?
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18:50 < dfdx> Lucas: okay, let me rephrase. Should I update php to php-8.2? Some php-apps are not working because they require php>8.2 and php still points to php-8.1
18:50 < Lucas> you can just give it a try and point it back to php-8.1 if it stops working for you
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18:50 < dfdx> fair point.
18:51 < setient> yeah, i would keep your languages up to date, depending on the errata for the language and patches. but really, that is not the best and generally it is a good idea to keep up to date 
18:52 < setient> just update the symlink and you should be g2g
18:52 < dfdx> how does one normally keep their languages up to date?
18:52 < setient> by updating packages periodically or downloading the source directly and recompiling it
18:53 < setient> you also need to read the errata and upgrade guides, because sometimes you have to do things to your code too
18:53 < dfdx> got it. thanks.
18:53 < dfdx> manually changing the symlink appeard to work.
18:53 < dfdx> thanks again.
18:53 < setient> np!
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18:59 < pardis> you only updated /usr/local/bin/php? who is writing CLI-only software in php?
19:00 < setient> pardis: some people do!
19:00 < setient> its a language like any other
19:01 < setient> and i would think that FB does a lot of it. they also do really really really nasty things to PHP
19:01 < lts> Many nextcloud administration tasks are done with cli
19:01 < setient> i can see that
19:01 < setient> reminds me of ember, the javascript framework
19:01 < setient> or the ruby on rails console
19:04 < dfdx> pardis: nextcloud, pixelfed.
19:05 < dfdx> there is something called php laravel and php artisan.
19:05 < dfdx> don't ask. i don't know. 
19:06 < setient> i bet the symphony framework also has some cli tools. i wouldn't not be shocked
19:06 < setient> and test frameworks
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19:08 < pardis> nextcloud is not CLI-only software
19:08 < pardis> the pkg-readme for nextcloud explicitly mentions php-fpm
19:09 < pardis> never heard of pixelfed, but it seems to be a web service, so it's also unlikely to be CLI software
19:09 < setient> pardis: it is a piece of cli software. you can use the nextcloud CLI interface without a nextcloud server.
19:09 < setient> sorta like the AWS CLI
19:09 < pardis> oh, how odd
19:10 < setient> yeah, most services have an API
19:10 < setient> you can use that API to manage things
19:10 < pardis> yes, I know what an API is
19:10 < pardis> it's odd to implement the client for the API in PHP
19:10 < setient> its just what they do when they have an app in that language
19:10 < setient> why introduce a second language
19:10 < setient> i mean, you could also write your own client or whatnot too. they prolly have libraries
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19:11 < pardis> well, PHP isn't really a good choice for any web application complex enough to be interacted with in this way to start with
19:11 < pardis> so it's not so much introducing a second language as choosing a better first one
19:11 < setient> i don't agree with that
19:11 < pardis> anyway, this was just surprising to me, I didn't really intend to start a language war
19:11 < setient> what would you say about facebook about being complex and having CLI tools?
19:11 < pardis> I'd say using PHP is probably one of Facebook's least questionable choices
19:12 < setient> sure, i don't really like PHP but i see why
19:12 < setient> lol, i can agree to that
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21:59 < klsrqm> pardis: didn't Facebook rewrite php tho? I seem to recall that their PHP is basically not PHP. 
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