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11:30 < zwr> hmm
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11:52 < IcePic> zwr: some part of Iridium trying to open a socket when they shouldn't be (according to the pledge promise)
11:53 < IcePic> 97STD NOLOCK{ int sys_socket(int domain, int type, int protocol); 
11:53 < IcePic> 97   STD NOLOCK{ int sys_socket(int domain, int type, int protocol); 
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15:05 < avemestr> bioctl -c C -l sd1a softraid0 
15:05 < avemestr> softraid0: CRYPTO exceeds maximum size (35156655503 > 34359738368)y
15:05 < avemestr> bioctl not-so-happy with an 18TB disk.
15:06 < pardis> you can probably just make two partitions with two crypto volumes and softraid-concat them together
15:07 < pardis> or don't softraid-concat them together, since I hope you aren't trying to make an 18TB ffs filesystem
15:07 < avemestr> ;-)
15:10 < avemestr> UFS2/FFS2 supports up to 8 zebibytes, they said!
15:13 < pardis> but when you need to fsck you will be waiting for 12 hours, and you'd better hope you have 18GB of RAM
15:14 < sibiria> i guess you can to some limited extent reduce the number of superblocks/fragments to survive that, at the cost of increased risk of file system fragility
15:15 < pardis> my biggest ffs filesystem is 8TB and it already takes the better part of a day to fsck
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15:15 < sibiria> i.e. if you're storing massive files on that 18TB file system you can set large block-sizes and large fragment-sizes
15:16 < avemestr> There's 32GB RAM, fortunately.
15:16 < pardis> I would argue that if you need an 18TB filesystem, OpenBSD is the wrong hammer for this screw, but you are of course free to ignore my opinions
15:18 < oldlaptop> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5RXm5q3lcQ&list=PL873A957141B903D1&t=760s
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15:31 < avemestr> Thanks for the words of advice.
15:31 < avemestr> or warning.
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15:40 < lts> Some other OpenBSD limits are becoming reachable too. PF queue max bandwidth is 32-bit, i.e. a bit over 4 Gbit, for example
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15:41 < lts> Heh, shouldn't have used "a bit" there. It's actually 2^32 – 1
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15:47 < vortexx> avemestr: there's a <1TB limit for the a partition of the boot disk
15:47 < vortexx> if not the entire device
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16:25 < oldlaptop> and as has been seen the upper limits of /'s size are not necessarily well-tested
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16:27 < pardis> I assumed that any 18TB filesystem would not be used for / since that takes it from "probably a bad idea" to "utterly deranged"
16:28 < oldlaptop> which means of *course* someone will try to do it
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16:47 < aqsd> I did it with 12T.  I'm not proud if it, but not too ashamed either.
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16:49 < sibiria> in light of openbsd's softraid being rubbish when it comes to standard RAID-levels...
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18:00 < TaelTydes> I planned to use obsd for my sata ssd pi nas. primarily a music server via mpd so don't need breakneck speeds. 
18:01 < TaelTydes> managed to snag some 8tb micron sata ssd's for a good price. I'm pretty sure netflix uses FFS as ZFS is slow on SSD IIRC.
18:04 < sibiria> i don't think anything, in terms of reading, is slower on SSD than HDD
18:06 < TaelTydes> I believe ZFS was a bottleneck for netflix. 
18:07 < TaelTydes> Of course given the same filesystem an SSD is going to be faster regardless.
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18:11 < sibiria> 8tb is a substantial amount of disk space. if oyu intend to store stuff of 2-3 mb avg. file size, you have some benefits to gain from looking into increasing block/fragment size on the file system
18:12 < avemestr> The 18TB drive was not intended for a boot disk. Going to the limit disklabel created a partition that in turn allowed for a filesystem with a size of 15.1TB.
18:15 < TaelTydes> siberia: I'll keep that in mind.
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18:21 < avemestr> A bit on why Netflix (at least 4 years ago) still used UFS insteaf of ZFS: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/ltjv8m/zfs_is_overwhelminly_praised_yet_why_does_netflix/
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18:40 < pardis> the rationale for a particular choice of tooling at Netflix's scale rarely generalises to small businesses or individual users
18:42 < TaelTydes> pardis: of course. It does give one the impression that UFS is a fairly capable, though.
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18:44 < TaelTydes> I used a ZFS pool as /home on a prev install alongside tmpfs root. It was a nice set-up in all honesty though I think a simpler filesystem with additional tooling makes some sense.
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18:53 < amnesiac> Hi guys. How to read serial numbed of disk attached to system ?
18:54 < amnesiac> in dmesg only model is shown
18:55 < TaelTydes> sysctl hw.disknames
18:55 < amnesiac> yeah it's names in system
18:55 < amnesiac> I meand serial number of hard disk printed on this
18:56 < TaelTydes> ah, apologies.
18:56 < amnesiac> np
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18:57 < vortexx> amnesiac: man atactl
18:58 < vortexx> atactl sd0 | head -n 1 | awk '{print $8}' prints out the serial number itself for me
18:59 < amnesiac> vortexx, thank you!
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19:00 < vortexx> amnesiac: yw
19:00 < pardis> TaelTydes: it's capable for certain workloads, yes
19:01 < pardis> such as the workloads Netflix uses it for
19:01 < pardis> very, very few users have Netflix-like workloads, though
19:04 < pardis> if you are doing anything at all with files other than copying them over the network, the reason why Netflix uses UFS is entirely irrelevant, and even if you are just copying files over the network, you probably don't have the volume of requests to make that reason significant
19:05 < vortexx> I remember Kirk McKusick making a presentation some 10+ years ago about UFS/FFS, and he mentioned that they once had to patch the block size to allow for 10M size because Sony requested it for the Playstation 3 or 4 or something
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19:16 < avemestr> pardis: Good rules to live by: https://blog.bradfieldcs.com/you-are-not-google-84912cf44afb
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19:21 < ssm_> avemestr: enable javascript and cookies to continue
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19:32 < TaelTydes> correct. that line of thinking would be reductionary. all generalizations. I don't care for sweeping statements.
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19:51 < zelest> So, I've connected my headphones to the 3.5mm on my Lenovo X395 laptop, yet it seem to use the built-in microphone (which is crap) instead of the one in my headphones...  How do I change this?  I've tried with mixerctl, but I can't seem to change any values.
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20:16 < amnesiac> zelest, try sndioctl server.device=0 or 1
20:16 < amnesiac> it's in multimedia faq
20:16 < amnesiac> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#usbaudio
20:16 < amnesiac> if it's usb
20:16 < amnesiac> man sndiod sndioctl
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20:21 < zelest> amnesiac, It's not, it's the normal 3.5mm jack on my laptop
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