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00:01 < sysfu> I'm going to attempt to perform a remote resflash image dump from my worktstation to the alix CF card. 
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00:01 < sysfu> the rationale: I don't want to have to remove 10 screws just to get the damn CF card out an instert it into my USB card reader.
00:02 < sysfu> any tips or wisdom to share on this operation are appreciated.
00:03 < sysfu> will post my proposed command in a minute.
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00:16 < sysfu> pv resflash-i386-1906MB-com0_38400-20240902_1358.fs | ssh root@alix -t 'dd of=/dev/rwd0c bs=1M'
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00:54 < Zerock> that definitely could possibly work maybe
00:54 < Zerock> worst case, you'll have to use a screwdriver
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01:19 < highplai1sdruid> any results yet?
01:28 < vortexx> Zerock: sh /etc/daily will give you that security email you're waiting for whenever you want to find out
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08:43 < klsrqm> does anyone know how to do SNI matching in relayd for tcp protocols? i'd like to relay tcp connections to various servers based on which server is requested.
08:45 < rnkn> klsrqm: it’s not the same as http?
08:46 < klsrqm> i don't know, how would matching headers work for pure TCP connections? 
08:47 < klsrqm> rnkn: i don't know, i'm looking at the docs, but it only mentions http for a lot of useful features; would they just work on TCP? that'd be awesome...
08:48 < IcePic> I don't think relayd would work for generic tcp
08:49 < IcePic> SNI works because it sends a specific hostname it wants to land on, so relayd looks for this particular http header when handling the relaying
08:49 < sibiria> klsrqm: iirc it works automatically when you specify multiple cert-key combinations after eachother
08:49 < sibiria> a so-called "keypair" (misnomer)
08:49 < IcePic> other tcp protocols would need to have specific protocol decoders and at least relayd has no other such decoders
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08:50 < klsrqm> IcePic, sibiria - thanks. yeah, that's what i was wondering...
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08:51 < IcePic> so SNI is not based on "what hostname did the client resolve to land on my server", when the connection to you/relayd is made, it is only connecting to a specific IP, which is why http clients send SNI information in the stream to help load balancers do the right thing 
08:51 < IcePic> "if only there was an ip protocol where you could have millions of unique ips and just give each such service an ip of its own.."
08:52 < sibiria> if only...
08:53 < IcePic> SNI came about just because everyone figured ipv4 + TLS would make it run out even quicker, so they invented SNI to "leak" the wanted destination before crypto is set up so that the receiving end can decode one-out-of-many possible destination domainnames to present the correct cert for it when the client connects
08:54 < zelest> SNI har väl uppdaterats att inte läcka det väl?
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08:55 < renaud> depending on your needs, you might try either sniproxy or nginx with $ssl_preread_server_name
08:55 < klsrqm> hmm... so what i'm trying to do is, i've been successfully relaying gemini to my home server from a cloud VPS. i want to add a status page to the VPS on a subdomain. so I thought I could do something like, run a gemini server on the VPS that serves up the status info, then use relayd and fall back to the status page if the home server goes down. i thought i could somehow filter out requests for "status.domain"
08:55 < IcePic> zelest: there is some next-gen version of SNI that makes a checksum of the expected domain name or so, which makes it less readable for adversaries
08:55 < zelest> oh wait
08:55 < zelest> wrong channel and wrong language :D
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08:56 < renaud> no problem, nobody understood it anyway :D
08:56 < klsrqm> renaud: you underestimate our linguistic guessing abilities ;)
08:56 < zelest> tldr: ECH is a thing
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09:01 < renaud> klsrqm: I use sniproxy to redirect the service to the correct server. Obviously, it can also relay to other services on localhost.
09:01 < renaud> nginx with ssl_preread_server_name works another way
09:02 < klsrqm> renaud: thanks. i was trying to ditch nginx for relayd :)
09:02 < klsrqm> i'll look into sniproxy
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09:02 < klsrqm> mind, acc. to github: "Status: Deprecated
09:02 < klsrqm> "
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09:03 < renaud> https://github.com/renaudallard/sniproxy
09:03 < renaud> ;)
09:03 < renaud> that's the one used in OpenBSD
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09:04 < renaud> it has some pledge protections
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09:06 < klsrqm> renaud: sniproxy seems nice, can it do failovers / fallbacks?
09:07 < renaud> no, it cannoot
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09:37 < TaelTydes> any chance there's a few here familiar with raid1 / mirroring in openbsd specifically?
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09:38 < TaelTydes> considering my options for a 3 way mirror. In an ideal world i'd be able to pull a disk out & read it on another obsd machine. 
09:39 < TaelTydes> Otherwise the hardware hosting the raid would be a single point of failure for all drives which partially defeats the purpose of the whole endevour (yes, raid not backup)
09:40 < TaelTydes> would also be nice if the 3 drives could double as a cache for better reads, ideally.
09:41 < TaelTydes> I would usually f & find out but the reality will effect my hardware choice / setup.
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09:44 < sibiria> openbsd's softraid supports both raid1 and raid5
09:45 < sibiria> but i'd advise against using it, because it's terribly slow and that comes with risks that counter the redundancy you're supposed to get from raid
09:45 < TaelTydes> siberia: yes. raid5 is out of the question though due to striping.
09:45 < IcePic> I do appreciate the idea of a 3-drive raid1 though
09:46 < sibiria> as in, i'd advise against using openbsd's softraid entirely for anything but full-disk encryption
09:46 < IcePic> we keep lots of important data at work on 3-copies, just so you are not at super high risk when one drive for any reason is offline
09:47 < sibiria> the problem with openbsd's softraid is that it writes to disks in sequence, not in parallel. if you have an outage in the middle of a write you're at a very large risk of having a desycned array
09:47 < sibiria> for the same reason write performance also drops almost linearly with the number of disks in the array
09:48 < TaelTydes> IcePick: it seems it's not often considered that if machine hosting the disks needs to be intact to restore a raid then the number of the disks that can fail are somewhat negated by that fact, from my limited understanding.
09:49 < TaelTydes> siberia: are reads parallel? I understands obsd is not exactly the common choice here so anecdotal docs are limited.
09:50 < TaelTydes> siberia: what would you recommend instead? muxfs? different host os?
09:50 < sibiria> TaelTydes: i honestly don't know, but when testing RAID5 i did not recall any read performance boost at all
09:50 < IcePic> TaelTydes: I'm sure openbsd will not split reads among raid1 members
09:50 < klsrqm> hate to be "that guy" but with my limited knowledge, isn't this a great use for ZFS pools and FreeBSD?
09:51 < IcePic> klsrqm: could well be. Have single disk on obsd computer and do frequent rsyncs over to zfs
09:52 < TaelTydes> klsrqm: I belive that with zfs raid1, if the zfs host goes down the disks can't be read from at all.
09:52 < sibiria> TaelTydes: unfortunately you're at a disadvantage if you want local redundant storage and openbsd as the host. i have no recommendations. maybe your motherboard has "fake-raid" controller - most of them do. that might be an option
09:53 < TaelTydes> it will be a sata ssd mirror & I consider system failure to be about as likely as a raid drive going down, provided the raid itself is being hosted on .. a disk.
09:53 < sibiria> softraid (mdraid) on linux works very well, as an option. and it's fast
09:53 < TaelTydes> siberia: interstin, that's not something I've considered. 
09:54 < sibiria> linux mdraid also supports RAID6 which i think is a great choice between performance and redundancy, if you have enough disks to spare
09:54 < TaelTydes> I heard mdam+1 should have this kind of behavior where the drives are not coupled to the mirroring implementation.
09:54 < TaelTydes> I was openbsd's raid impl behaved similarly.
09:55 < klsrqm> TaelTydes: thanks, you are probably right! As I said, limited knowledge...
09:56 < TaelTydes> klsrqm: zfs is nice though. I used to use it with nixos. I could be completely wrong, but i'm pretty sure you would need to do export the pool & some other shenanigans which would be impossible without the interface to the pool.
09:59 < pardis> if I had to make a RAID mirror with OpenBSD, I would buy a motherboard with hardware RAID and use that
10:00 < pardis> bioctl(8) can manage RAID controllers that have appropriate driver support
10:01 < TaelTydes> pardis: I guess in that case I would need to make sure the motherboard could be swapped out in the event of failure.
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10:02 < TaelTydes> I'd ideally like the drives to be as decoupled as possible. I suppose dumping & using some tooling for verification may be an option if I stick with obsd.
10:03 < pardis> how big do you plan for these ffs filesystems to be? consider that OpenBSD fsck can be slow with very large filesystems, so even if yanking a disk and putting it somewhere else is viable in theory, you could be waiting hours
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10:05 < TaelTydes> pardis: quite likely 2/4tb sata ssd's. I have a single 8tb micron 5300 pro at the moment but they're 200 a pop.
10:06 < pardis> I've had fsck take several hours on an 8 TB ffs filesystem before
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10:06 < pardis> 2-4 TB is probably not quite that severe, but bank on at least an hour or so of downtime waiting for fsck in the event you need to move a disk without a graceful umount
10:07 < pardis> you can cut down on that if you partition the disks into multiple ffs filesystems
10:08 < TaelTydes> maybe 2TB would be a better size for the mirror then, & my bank balance.
10:09 < sibiria> you can also cut fsck-time down if you increase block- and fragment-size on the file systems - if applicable for you
10:09 < TaelTydes> pardis: that last point is interesting. Partitions with different redundancy levels could be interesting.
10:10 < TaelTydes> block sizing isn't something I'm too clued up on but I'll make note of that.
10:11 < sibiria> the man page of newfs describes the options
10:11 < sibiria> it only makes sense to increase the numbers if you intend to store mainly larger files there
10:12 < sibiria> the default sizes are in the few kilobytes, and are tailored for file systems typically having a lot of that, such as system disks and so
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10:13 < sibiria> less optimal for large storage of files that are always several megabytes and upwards
10:13 < TaelTydes> i misread the nicks there. I see, so the defaults quite likley won't be the ideal.
10:13 < sibiria> e.g. your music and video library can benefit from being "re-tuned"
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10:16 < TaelTydes> I don't tend to store videos but I've got quite the music collection. the single large drive would be primarily for serving music via mpd so will dig into this soon.
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10:28 < TaelTydes> if I decide to go the dump a primary drive to 2 others via a cronjob or something similar, does anyone have any workflow ideas for checksumming only the dump changes? it seems I could use save the dump -w output, make the dump & then run a cksum between all changed files. that'd be a start at least.
10:33 < sibiria> dump/restore is a bit too old and inflexible for things like checksummed changes. personally i would only use it if i really needed to dump the actual file system with all the low-level things preserved, inodes and such. something like rsync or its many derivates would be a better tool for such backups
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10:47 < TaelTydes> siberia: I see. that would more portable also I suppose, (not that I plan on leaving.)
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10:53 < TaelTydes> Also looking into reading parallel reads of the same file across multiple drives that aren't in a raid. Seems fairly scriptable given if the drives are kept in sync. it'd be an interesting challenge at least!
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12:50 < klsrqm> what do people use for inserting emojis?
12:50 < klsrqm> (sorry for the extremely technical and important query :D )
12:50 < sibiria> a normal modern irc client
12:51 < sibiria> they are characters almost like any other
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12:52 < sibiria> 😱
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12:55 < IcePic> I google "closed fist with raised middle finger unicode" and then cut-n-paste it into the chat as needed. ..🖕 
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13:01 < thrig> and my handy irssi script filtered it out
13:01 < TaelTydes> klsrqm I would write a c program that maps emoji's to words & then use slmenu as a selector so you aren't relying on a display server.
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13:01 < IcePic> thrig: I would never give you "The Finger", you know that. 
13:03 < TaelTydes> klsrqm: you could use a shell script with dmenu or something though. sure you can find plenty of examples of the mappings.
13:05 < TaelTydes> there nearly 4k emoji so you may as well hash.
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13:08 < IcePic> that's why you need a 4k screen, to see all mojis at the same time
13:09 < pardis> klsrqm: xcompose
13:09 < TaelTydes> IcePic: you need 3 4k monitors to include all common combos. Grab an extra eye while you're at it.
13:10 < IcePic> as if I did not have a third eye in my forehead
13:10 < IcePic> -"Man who kisses blowfish gets extra holes poked in face"  Old chinese saying
13:10 < Zerock> kitty has a built in thing for selecting unicode characters to insert
13:10 < pardis> 𓂺
13:11 < TaelTydes> I need to train my reverse crazy eyes for the ultimate flex.
13:11 < pardis> coming up with an appropriate xcompose sequence left as an exercise for the reader
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13:17 < TaelTydes> klsrqm: you must travel where the Unicode Consortium reside. They teach of the dark art of moji insertion.
13:19 < Zerock> insertion? 😳
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13:31 < Foxy_> klsrqm: 🎉
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14:04 < unpx> About usb tethering on Pixel 6a. Fren showed me that ethernet over usb should be called cdc-ecm. Looking for that on man pages gives me cdce(4)
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14:06 < unpx> But that doesn't show up in dmesg
14:08 < unpx> FreeBSD has cdceem(4)
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14:18 < pardis> what *does* show up in dmesg?
14:18 < pardis> presumably you see something when you plug in the device and/or enable tethering
14:20 < unpx> pardis: just ``ugen2 at uhub0 port 2 "Google Pixel 6a" rev 2.10/5.10 addr 10''
14:20 < unpx> With another phone I get both ugen2 message and urndis0 because of older Linux kernel on phone
14:21 < pardis> in that case, it looks as though whatever the Pixel 6a is exposing isn't supported
14:22 < pardis> ugen(4) is what attaches to devices there is no specific driver for (so that the USB device can still be driven from userland, if there is an application that knows about the device)
14:29 < unpx> pardis: I see
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14:51 < sysfu> Zerock, finally finished copying the resflash.img file off the snail VM to host computer, that took about six hours over SSH. Attempting the remote disk reflash now.
14:51 < Zerock> good luck
14:53 < Zerock> wait
14:54 < Zerock> you copied the img file onto the host disk as a file?
14:54 < Zerock> is it being held in memory or something?
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14:55 < Zerock> or do you mean you copied it from the VM to your local disk and now you're gonna send it over to the target host?
14:57 < sysfu> highplailsdruid, operating is running now. the -t option for ssh command was unnecessary but it still executed. 2:30min in and 25% complete.
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15:03 < unpx> pardis: at the end what is the point? That there is no support on OpenBSD for CDC-ECM?
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15:07 < sysfu> Zerock, I built the reflash image on tha i386 obsd 7.5 VM. Then I had to move the file off that VM, onto host loonix computer. Only method I could think of is via SSH to host system, which worked, but very slow, like like everything else on i386 VM.
15:07 < Zerock> right I understand now
15:08 < sysfu> From loonix host, dump img over SSH to alix system. Just completed, took 11 minutes. Ended with segmentation fault...going to attach serial console and power cycle alix, see if it was succesfuly.
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15:08 < sysfu> I got a boot loader...
15:09 < sysfu> kernel is loading...
15:09 < tommyrot> you know you can pxe boot these devices right?
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15:09 < sysfu> Filesystem check, then tons of errors. <sigh>
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15:10 < Zerock> damn
15:10 < sysfu> tommyrot, yes but my home LAN pxeboot setup is borked.
15:10 < vortexx> sysfu: you could pipe dd over nc too
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15:10 < Zerock> well not anymore ;)
15:10 < pardis> unpx: cdce(4) exists and I've used it before
15:10 < sysfu> It's functional enough where I can boot the bsd.rd kernel. Maybe I can try again.
15:10 < pardis> it just doesn't look like it supports your device
15:11 < pardis> I don't have a Pixel device of any sort so I can't verify one way or another
15:11 < sysfu> uhh, apparently resflash image doesn't include bsd.rd, at least it's not in root dir.
15:12 < Zerock> rip
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15:12 < sysfu> trying another boot in single user mode.
15:14 < miah> if you want to share 5g, get a netgear nighthawk, has a ethernet port built in. no worries about driver issues then.
15:14 < miah> works great with openbsd (its how I'm online)
15:15 < sysfu> it's possible I just have a defective flash card. A guy in the reflash issue comments suggested searching for 'industrial' CF cards on ebay. Think I'm going to order another one.  https://gitlab.com/bconway/resflash/-/issues/29#note_2088259735
15:16 < sysfu> miah, I'm a zero WiFi guy, but appreciate the suggestion.
15:17 < sibiria> i used to be a paranoid zero-wifi guy. then i gave in and used unencrypted wifi but with ipsec. then wpa2 happened and that seemed decent enough
15:17 < sysfu> whup. Single user mode boot died too. Error output mentions bad dir ino. Seems likely that faulty CF card is the culprit. https://bpa.st/TSJE4
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15:18 < sysfu> sibiria, security concerns rank lower than the health concerns for me.
15:19 < sibiria> it's just a few milliwatts. keep the laptop away from the crotch
15:20 < sibiria> but i understand the concern! i never keep my cellphone in my pocket unless i need to
15:22 < miah> hrm? i'm not using wifi at all with this setup, ethernet =)
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15:23 < sysfu> miah, you mentioned sharing 5g, so I assumed wireless.
15:23 < miah> i even stated ethernet
15:23 < Zerock> 5g cellular, not 5ghz wifi
15:23 < miah> indeed
15:23 < miah> my previous isp was point-to-point wifi though, it was terrible
15:24 < sysfu> sibiria, biological effects occur at very power levels. Frequency and modulation type are bigger factors that power density.
15:24 < sysfu> miah, I also dislike wireless purefly for performance and reliability reasons.
15:25 < byteskeptical> I've just used https://clbin.com/A3R3R
15:25 < miah> congrats. so this doesn't apply to you then. but maybe the person above who was asking about sharing 5g via their pixel will find it relevant.
15:26 < sysfu> miah, ah! sry, didn't make the connection.
15:28 < miah> i'd prefer to get a small device with a 5g modem that i could run openbsd on, but i haven't found a solution for that in the same price range as what i got this nighthawk for (~$100)
15:28 < miah> the devices are easy to find, but finding a low cost 5g modem isn't
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15:29 < Zerock> I'd like to run a dhcp server on my phone so I could just plug it in the WAN port of my router for emergency connection of my entire LAN
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15:31 < sibiria> the router should run the dhcp server
15:31 < sibiria> the phone should only be an egress
15:31 < Zerock> well the router is a dhcp client on the WAN port (to get an address from the ISP)
15:31 < sibiria> it can be a dhcp server as well
15:32 < sibiria> you can use a dynamic and static range for the LAN simultaneously
15:32 < Zerock> it can be, but in my ideal case I don't need to change my router config to switch to cellular uplink
15:32 < sibiria> i think it's ok that it's a dhcp server at all times
15:32 < Zerock> I think we are talking past each other
15:32 < Zerock> yes my router is a dhcp server for the LAN
15:33 < Zerock> I am talking about using my cell phone as an internet gateway in case my ISP is offline but I still want to connect my LAN to the internet
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15:33 < Zerock> ideally I would be able to just disconnect the cable modem and connect the phone and it just works
15:34 < vortexx> Zerock: you could use ifstated for that
15:34 < sibiria> yes you can fall-back to a static ip in the event of no lease
15:34 < sibiria> you can accommodate both scenarios without shutting one thing down and firing another up
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15:35 < Zerock> well I'll have to see about how to arrange that. the router is not openbsd
15:35 < sibiria> then you might already be using e.g. dhcpcd which has fallback methodology
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15:35 < sibiria> (which i *think* dhcpleased is missing)
15:35 < vortexx> combine with a trunk interface using failover and it should work
15:36 < vortexx> man trunk has an example for that
15:37 < miah> make your router openbsd and you'll solve more problems
15:38 < miah> if its some SOHO device, its probably already spreading malware ;)
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15:39 < Zerock> it runs openwrt
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15:41 < miah> if you want to have a fun time, look at http logs on a public ip sometime, _endless_ scans for openwrt /luci urls
15:42 < miah>  /cgi-bin/luci specifically. hopefully you have your external web management closed off on it
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15:44 < miah> also, if you want to cry yourself to sleep go look at the defcon talk from a few years ago. most wifi routers are using MIPS and the linux security features on those platforms are seriously lacking. 
15:45 < miah> https://cyber-itl.org/assets/papers/2018/Linux_MIPS_missing_foundations.pdf
15:45 < miah> here is their paper about it
15:45 < miah> the related video of the talk is really good stuff too
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15:46 < miah> (i also run openwrt on wifi routers internally)
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15:48 < sibiria> same. i run it as wifi-to-ethernet bridge, because openbsd
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15:51 < miah> im excited for openwrt to release their own platform, supposed to be on arm
15:52 < sibiria> a fork of busybox?
15:52 < miah> will be able to stop buying thrift store routers and reflashing them while supporting openwrt, a win for all
15:52 < miah> no, they are making their own router device
15:52 < sibiria> ah
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15:55 < miah> https://lists.openwrt.org/pipermail/openwrt-devel/2024-January/042018.html
15:55 < miah> the announcement
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15:57  * miah dreams of a openbsd-wrt style thing.. will keep dreaming.
15:57 < mischief> port luci? :)
15:58 < miah> i'll add to to my infinite project list
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16:34 < sysfu> Zerock, flashed resflash I build again to the CF card, this time using external USB card reader. Popped it back into the alix and SUCCESS. 
16:34 < sysfu> 2.5 days of thrashing and finally beat it into submission.
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16:35 < sysfu> Also, with regards to dd write to CF card underneath a running operating system: Wasn't a good idea. Brian Conway (resflash author) recommended the following.
16:35 < sysfu> The best approach I have found in that situation is to boot bsd.rd, use MAKEDEV to create the disk device, and then use ftp/dd with a local plaintext web server.
16:35 < sysfu> ftp -o - http://path/to/img.gz|gzip -d|dd of=/dev/rwd0c bs=1m
16:39 < Zerock> yeah that seems good
16:42 < pardis> writing directly to the storage being used by a running OS is rarely a good idea, whatever the context
16:43 < Zerock> something I didn't even consider until now: the swap partition
16:43 < Zerock> you clobbered your own swap space which would have corrupted anything that needed to be pulled back into memory
16:44 < pardis> swap isn't the only concern there, any mmap'd files will be subject to the same problem
16:45 < Bradipo> Doesn't bsd.rd just load into RAM though?
16:45 < Zerock> they don't call it the disk destroyer for nothing
16:45 < pardis> Bradipo: yes, that's why it's a better solution
16:45 < Zerock> Bradipo: he wasn't running bsd.rd at the time iirc
16:45 < Bradipo> Oh, "at the time" being key.
16:46 < pardis> files don't even need to already be mmap'd for that to be a concern, actually
16:46 < pardis> suppose the metadata for /bin/ls is cached in memory, but not its contents
16:46 < pardis> you write random data to the disk and then try to run ls
16:46 < Bradipo> Or maybe some not-so-random data.
16:47 < pardis> hopefully the data you wrote to disk doesn't happen to look like a valid ELF header
16:49 < pardis> on the bright side, your ls will now support fewer options
16:49 < Bradipo> And maybe have a few new ones.
16:49 < Bradipo> ps has nearly as many as ls...
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17:33 < thyssentishman> psssst...
17:33 < thyssentishman> https://0x0.st/XwOy.jpg
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17:39 < Bradipo> thyssentishman: How well does it run?  Does it crash a lot?
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17:40 < Bradipo> And good job by the way... a herculean effort.
17:40 < thyssentishman> I didn't have a chance to test yet as I had to run
17:40 < thyssentishman> so you can imagine how anxious I am to try it
17:41 < thyssentishman> thank you :)
17:41 < thyssentishman> there's still a couple of nits to fix with the package but its looking good
17:45 < setient> heck yeah
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18:04 < vortexx> nice job thyssentishman 
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18:45 < klsrqm> :D :D :D
18:48 < klsrqm> bwahahahaha, just reading back the responses
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18:59 < Bradipo> klsrqm: Are you a TTY operator?
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18:59 < klsrqm> Bradipo: yes.
18:59 < klsrqm> well, kinda.
18:59 < klsrqm> Most of the things I use are in TUI's, running in i3
19:00 < Bradipo> Haha, not quite what my joke intended, but sure. :-)
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19:02 < TaelTydes> miah: I've just got a used 502Q-AE 5g quectel modem. they've been discontinued so people are flushing stock. There's no support in kernel sadly. 
19:03 < klsrqm> Bradipo: I fear you must elaborate on the joke then :) 
19:05 < TaelTydes> i've just got a quectel 502q-ae for 100. It'd be nice have a place for community patches for this sort of stuff.   
19:06 < TaelTydes> damn. didn't scroll. apologies.
19:08 < TaelTydes> in fairness taking patches from strangers might not be ideal but the community is small.
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19:11 < sibiria> we took almost all of the in-kernel wireguard driver from a man who is pretty much a complete stranger who has absolutely zero searchable internet presence up until just a couple of years ago
19:11 < klsrqm> TaelTydes: my mother warned me against doing so
19:11 < klsrqm> sibiria: woah, well, thanks, i guess...? but the good thing about open source is that at least it can be audited
19:12 < sibiria> much like jia tan!
19:12 < miah> i still trust that wireguard code more than tailscale that everybody keeps telling me to use
19:13 < Bradipo> jia tan, of xz backdoor fame?
19:13 < setient> lol
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19:14 < sibiria> yes
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19:15 < Bradipo> That's nothing.  People entrust their life savings to Satoshi Nakamoto.
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19:16 < miah> satoshi nakamoto is rokos basilisk.
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20:07 < thyssentishman> vortexx: thank you :)
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20:16 < vortexx> yw
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22:27 < Bradipo> Has anyone gotten OpenRocket to work successfully on OpenBSD?
22:28 < Bradipo> I tried the latest version 23.09 and it just had a runtime error and seems to hang.  I tried the penultimate 22.02 and it causes X to abort with signal 6 (ABRT).
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