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00:35 < cation> I have a wireguard interface, wg1, that is in rdomain 1. I want to pass incoming traffic to that interface to a specific host that is in rdomain 0, so I have a pf rule that looks like `pass in quick on wg1 rdr-to 10.1.2.3 rtable 0`. the problem is that return traffic ends up staying in rdomain 0, and not being returned to rdomain 1. how can I change this?
00:41 < phy1729> Have you seen https://man.openbsd.org/ifconfig.8#wgrtable ?
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00:53 < cation> I was actually unaware of that option, but having just looked at it, I think I would have to keep this one as it is (set to 0). I want the encrypted wireguard traffic to continue going out over rdomain 0. what's happening is that the traffic that's supposed to be encapsulated in the tunnel ends up trying to go out over rdomain 0
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00:54 < cation> (the return traffic, that is)
00:54 < cation> (only the traffic being passed in using that rdr-to rule)
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01:38 < cation> what I expected is for the return traffic to go back out over rdomain 1 but it's using rdomain 0
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06:11 < michel>  Can anyone tell me if a intel eth e810-xxvda4 is supported ? 
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06:54 < michel> can I simply copy /etc/passwd from one system to the other ? 
06:54 < zelest> probably not
06:55 < zelest> (also, it doesn't contain any passwords)
06:55 < michel> ok, pwd.db 
06:55 < zelest> try /etc/master.passwd :P
06:56 < michel> how do I symc the users and password after a crash ?
06:56 < michel> I got a copy of /etc 
06:56 < michel> simply /etc/passwd /etc/master.passwd ? or do I need /etc/pwd.db ? 
06:56 < zelest> sure, that might work.. but make sure all the users (and added users from ports and such) are relevant
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07:03 < IcePic> if you copy passwd and master.passwd over and run "pwd_mkdb" on the destination it should build you a pwd.db
07:03 < IcePic> good if the endianess or int size differs, since this might perhaps affect the db file
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07:35 < michel> thx
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08:14 < klsrqm> hah, amazing, i managed to figure out my `gmid` and `relayd` woes :)) OpenBSD is MAGIC
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08:14 < zelest> :D
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08:20 < klsrqm> I feel like I owe many coffees/beers to the guys actually writing the manpages
08:20 < klsrqm> Absolute legends
08:21 < zelest> Agreed
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08:22 < zelest> I wrote a simple website where I can search in all the man-pages.. which is useful when looking for stuff but not knowing what program or libraray it's in :)
08:24 < rnkn> zelest: like apropos on man.openbsd.org?
08:24 < zelest> kinda, yeah.. but different :)
08:25 < zelest> Isn't aprops on man.openbsd.org "just" a webified aproprs(1) ?
08:25 < zelest> (without typos)
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09:44 < rnkn> zelest: that it is, yours is a full-text search?
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09:45 < IcePic> rnkn: with fixes from whiny users like me!
09:45 < zelest> rnkn, mhm
09:45 < IcePic> or fixes for bugs whiny users like me found, zelest did the fixing
09:46 < rnkn> zelest: can we see it?
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09:46 < zelest> rnkn, https://man.ifconfig.se/
09:49 < rnkn> zelest: excellent, and very fast
09:49 < IcePic> pingdom confirms it! very fast indeed
09:50 < IcePic> https://tools.pingdom.com/#6471af36d7400000
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10:07 < vortexx> my router rebooted afte a powercut, and it's running pppoe on the egress. It doesn't seem to learn the default IPv4 route and apply it for some reason
10:09 < vortexx> I used the pppoe example from the man page and have this line in the hostname.pppoe0 file: !/sbin/route add default -ifp pppoe0
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10:17 < klsrqm> zelest: this is very cool
10:17 < klsrqm> bookmarking this
10:19 < zelest> :D
10:19 < klsrqm> also great shout about the Creative dongle for bluetooth audio on your main site
10:20 < klsrqm> been wondering about that exact route, nice to see it works and to have a recommendation for a specific device
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10:50 < vortexx> ok fixed it, somehow the !/sbin/route line was missing 0.0.0.1 at the end of it
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11:07 < cation> so about my pf issue from last night... I think tcpdump on my pflog interface has been lying to me
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11:09 < cation> when I log traffic in pf.conf and run tcpdump on interface pflog0, it shows the interface name that return traffic is going out over as vlan0 (which is my normal internet traffic egress interface, in rdomain 0)... but if I run tcpdump on vlan0 directly and filter for the source host, no traffic appears
11:10 < cation> running tcpdump on the machine generating the traffic shows return traffic coming from the expected IP address (through the wg interface)
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11:16 < cation> this feels like a pflog bug but I'm not certain
11:17 < IcePic> cation: I guess you need to dump on the physical interface even if the traffic is tagged by the vland if
11:17 < IcePic> vlan*
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11:36 < cation> I should probably reproduce this in a lab setting, it really feels like some kind of tcpdump + pflog interface bug
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11:37 < dlg> tcpdump and pflog kind of work in different parts of the stack
11:38 < sibiria> you can sniff the vlan interface directly, if it's routing directly onto the egress interface. you will see the external host IPs involved in your traffic
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11:38 < cation> I sniffed vlan0 directly and did not see the traffic there
11:39 < sibiria> your dump filter rules may be wrong
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11:39 < sibiria> and if you sniff on the parent, you will see the same to/from but vid-tagged 
11:40 < sibiria> 802.11q/vid-tagged
11:40 < sibiria> .1q*
11:41 < sibiria> e.g. tcpdump -n -i vlan0 host 1.2.3.4
11:41 < cation> there may be a small misunderstanding of the topology: I have an egress interface (vlan0) in rdomain 0, and a wg interface in rdomain 1 that traffic comes in on and then gets routed to a particular host in rdomain 0 using a pf rule similar to `pass in log (all) quick on wg1 inet proto { tcp udp } rdr-to 10.1.2.3 rtable 0`
11:41 < cation> if I run tcpdump on pflog0, it shows return traffic returning over vlan0
11:42 < cation> but the traffic is actually returning over wg1 as it should be
11:42 < cation> (as confirmed by running tcpdump on vlan0 and not seeing the traffic, but seeing the traffic when running tcpdump on wg1)
11:43 < dlg> i think that makes sense
11:45 < dlg> if you think about where bpf and pf run
11:46 < dlg> ignoring tcpdump on pflog (and pfsync and enc), bpf basically shows you the packets as they come into the system when received by an interface
11:47 < dlg> or as the last thing before before being transmitted by an interfae
11:47 < dlg> right?
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12:04 < cation> here is what i'm seeing with some more context: https://clbin.com/XhbID
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12:05 < dlg> yep
12:05 < dlg> what i just said about bpf makes sense?
12:07 < cation> I think so, yes
12:07 < dlg> ok
12:07 < dlg> so a packet comes in on wg1, it gets shows to bpf
12:08 < dlg> the next thing that happens is pf gets run against it
12:08 < dlg> so it'll be a packet coming "in" from wg1
12:08 < dlg> and wg1 is in rdomain 1
12:08 < dlg> but you have a rule that moves it into rdomain 0, which is fine
12:09 < dlg> the next thing that happens is a route lookup in rdomain 0, which bits a host on igc1 to send to
12:10 < dlg> the next thing that happens is pf gets run against the packet going "out" on igc1
12:10 < dlg> and then bpf on igc1 is shown the packet
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12:10 < dlg> and then it's on the wire
12:10 < dlg> the weird stuff happens for the replies
12:11 < dlg> the reply comes in on igc1, which shows it to bpf
12:11 < dlg> next you have the reply pass in on igc1 in rdomain 0
12:11 < dlg> then you have it do a route lookup for the reply in rdomain 0
12:11 < dlg> that route lookup selects the default route via vlan0
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12:12 < dlg> pf gets to see the packet going out on vlan0 in rdomain 0 at this point
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12:12 < dlg> but the state that switched the rdomains matches here
12:12 < dlg> so pf moves the packet into rdomain 1 at this point
12:13 < dlg> but this is also when it's logging the packet
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12:13 < dlg> which is why it looks like its going out vlan0
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12:14 < dlg> cos pf moves it into rdomain 1, the route lookup is done again, which picks wg1 this time
12:15 < dlg> but it skips pf
12:15 < dlg> the packet goes out wg1
12:15 < dlg> and you see it via bpf on wg1
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12:16 < cation> hmmmm! ok, this makes more sense to me now... I do remember reading about some weirdness around return traffic when it's moving between rdomains (actually here https://www.packetmischief.ca/2011/09/20/virtualizing-the-openbsd-routing-table/) but did not expect to see the traffic also appear this way in something like tcpdump
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12:17 < dlg> i wrote a little bit about this at https://mild.embarrassm.net/~dlg/openbsd-bits/net/firewall-intro.html
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12:18 < dlg> your situation makes sense if you think about when bpf actually runs in the network stack
12:18 < dlg> and when the pf states match and apply/undo their rdomain changes
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12:23 < cation> ok, I think I understand now
12:24 < cation> thanks a lot
12:25 < dlg> npz
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17:36 < itrsea> How do I read more about how Qt 6 was packaged or modified as qt6? qt6 packages open-source code I would carry to commercial versions of the sources.
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17:39 < itrsea> I want to know how the qt6 package links the libc++ standard library.
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17:53 < itrsea> I will start at the Ports Tree.
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18:09 < itrsea> I found the ports package for qt6. I will read more about how to build Qt 6.
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18:10 < sir-photch> Does anybody here host a VM at openbsd.amsterdam and can tell me whether or not I need to decide before ordering if I want 2GB of RAM or not? Also, how many cores does a VM have access to?
18:11 < sir-photch> Like, can I upgrade RAM afterwards
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18:18 < byteskeptical> sir-photch: not sure if they do in place upgrades like that. You may have to switch to a new vm, as far as I know you get a single core per vm though if you need something custom I would reach out to Mischa and team prior
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18:36 < mastensg> is there a way to asynchronously wait until a filesystem is mounted? netbsd's kqueue has EVFILT_FS, which seems to do this, but openbsd does not
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18:46 < itrsea> Qt on OpenBSD needs support. How do I begin porting?
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18:49 < itrsea> Most of the components I would use are available with patches already available in the OpenBSD packges. Other components would be patched in to work with OpenBSD. The system libraries are linked using the Ports install prefixes.
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19:38 < TaelTydes> itrsea: what need's patching / porting? the only qt program I use is qutebrowser for js stuff but that seems to work fine.
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19:42 < TaelTydes> qt6 6 is packages at least, you having some troubles?
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19:55 < opv> Anyone know what the "inflight" runstate means for an smtpd queue item? The manpage doesn't say too much about it. If it's "inflight" it should be delivered, no?
19:57 < thrig> probably something in the process of begin gotten elsewhere
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20:13 < itrsea> TaelTydes, I was convinced I needed to build a newer version of Qt 6 without looking at the available components. I was also reading previous updates with less components.
20:13 < TaelTydes> I'm not familiar with smtpd as I haven't got around to switching from dovecot but at a guess i'd imagine it to mean not landed yet.
20:14 < itrsea> The patching or porting would be to increment the version on the next release.
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20:15 < TaelTydes> ah. i see. what are you trying to build?
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20:16 < TaelTydes> I mean, do you need a newer version for something else or just noticed it was lagging a few tags or something.
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20:19 < itrsea> The latest features would allow fixes to the chromium webengine, I expect to always be lagging secuity updates.
20:20 < itrsea> I am developing with the Qt 6 packaged with OpenBSD 7.5 to no practical issue.
20:21 < TaelTydes> nice. I wonder if that's why qutebrowser's been acting up when too many tabs or JS heavy. Big projects though. Qutebrowser is the only application I ever really needed to pin on nixos besides dev stuff.
20:21 < itrsea> I have yet to move off the qmake onto the cmake system, but I think qmake is supported, yet deprecating in Qt.
20:22 < TaelTydes> I haven't even learnt make. I just have a file full of helpers I dump in to all of my programs that gets less shitty every time.
20:23 < TaelTydes> not fully cached or anything but stores the config phase like pplatform & what not.
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20:24 < itrsea> CMake is supported in future releases of Qt, where qmake is supported now but with plans to migrate onto CMake. Are you building while linking directly to the libraries?
20:24 < TaelTydes> I really should learn these build systems but they never seem to like my shell code.
20:26 < itrsea> Do you compile against the Qt libraries?
20:26 < TaelTydes> i've not really wrote anything big enough to have to manage the build of another project. 
20:26 < itrsea> The make systems enable dependency resolution when building modules into a project.
20:27 < TaelTydes> usually just clone a few files to a sub dir.
20:27 < TaelTydes> is that like they make sure all the other projects get built before yours does or something?
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20:29 < itrsea> The Ports system on OpenBSD is an excellent use of makefiles. Each file contains a component build instruction and dependency requirements.
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20:30 < quinq> */14
20:30 < itrsea> When a component is asserted, then it pulls required packages from the dependency list. It is implemented as makefiles conditionally linking.
20:34 < TaelTydes> I know makefiles are fair old & standardized & been opotomized over the year, but I do sometimes wonder if it would be better if make was a shell library rather than a dsl. 
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20:35 < TaelTydes> I know even the nicer make implementations are usually up in the thousands. I'm just adding what I need but I'm sure I'll be reaching for them soon enough.
20:37 < TaelTydes> that's probably just because whenever I try to make patches to the big ones they tell me off.
20:38 < itrsea> Make uses timestamps from filestat to determine when to compile a chain of objects. A chain of objects is defined with globbing and simplified resolution, avoiding redundancy. Some of these features would need to be implemented in every script.
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20:41 < TaelTydes> yeah the timestampings nice but I'm not sure why they need their own file format. i feel the same way about yaml though. you end up writing scripts anyway to generate the correct yaml or we. 
20:42 < TaelTydes> I definetely don't understand it well enough to write anything better myself. I will have to learn them & i'll probably change my tune.
20:44 < itrsea> Some larger components use abstract steps with PHONEY targets. This is why `make all` does not require a file `all`. Yeah, look at the features of OpenBSD makefiles which are different than GNU makefiles. The difference is likely reflecting the difference in the systems.
20:44 < pardis> both Makefiles and yaml see a lot of inappropriate uses that would indeed be better achieved by other tools
20:45 < pardis> especially yaml, in recent years
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20:48 < itrsea> Is the nicer solution to make, to hire a dedicated Build Engineer?
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20:51 < itrsea> The better system could be to have a low-latency daemon patcheing rc systems with contained, scheduled restarts.
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21:17 < klsrqm> can anyone point me to some documentation on how to define patterns for "check send data expect pattern" in relayd.conf? what's the syntax? regex?
21:19 < sibiria> it's lua pattern matching
21:20 < sibiria> oh actually, that might not be the case for that
21:21 < sibiria> confusing it with httpd
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21:25 < itrsea> klsrqm, shell globbing
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21:29 < thrig> glob(3)
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21:29 < thrig> or really section 7
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21:32 < itrsea> Seebach, P. (2008). Beginning Portable Shell Scripting: From Novice to Professional. Switzerland: Apress. 33.
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21:42 < sibiria> Seebach, Tommy (1977) - Apache
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