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02:00 < ramrunner> guys, question if someone has any input. i have an apu2 pcengines board which upon upgrading from 7.4 to 7.5 everything went south. i am booting it with a 7.5 usb now, dmesg sees the SDMMC as sd0, i can mount it (and has my previous data after a glorious fsck session) yet /upgrade refuses to see any disks (it still prints sd0 as being the sdmmc but it doesn't see it as an available disk)....
02:00 < ramrunner> also i have to MAKEDEV sd0 cause normally it wasn't creating it. 
02:02 < ramrunner> hm... it seems that /install sees it, but /upgrade probably detects that it has already made it to 7.5 and doesn't show it as an available disk?
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02:51 < pardis> what exactly does "everything went south" mean? you skipped over the most significant part of the problem description
02:51 < pardis> did you move your computer slightly to the south?
02:52 < pardis> (the upgrader will allow you to "upgrade" to the same version again, which can sometimes be a useful thing to do, so that is unlikely to be the problem and it is more likely that whatever "went south" means caused the upgrader not to think there is a valid OpenBSD installation on that disk)
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04:31 < ramrunner> pardis it was a headless sysupgrade, which did not finish (the box never came up) i had to attach a serial to it, perform the upgrade and then it never booted again, when i rebooted with the rd, the fs on the sdmmc was corrupted, went through a very long fsck as i mentioned, which ended up with /etc on that fs gone. so that is why it wasn't booting.
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04:32 < ramrunner> it's ok i will reinstall on it, at least i had the configuration backed up. 
04:32 < pardis> upgrading a system with no /etc isn't really a meaningful operation anyway
04:33 < njn> make dumps
04:42 < ramrunner> it was supposed to be a day of an easy upgrade and setting up an ipv6 gif tunnel... sniff sniff. and has ended up being a cluster.
04:55 < njn> usually the way
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05:04 < ramrunner> njn indeed indeed XD
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14:18 < housemate> how may I boot openbsd with using systemd boot?
14:18 < housemate> pls
14:18 < housemate> hello
14:19 < sibiria> no
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14:19 < housemate> at all?
14:20 < housemate> or just a little bit.
14:20 < sibiria> i'm sure it works. but it's as everything else by the systemd author convoluted and idiotic to configure
14:20 < sibiria> rEFInd is a much simpler EFI bootloader
14:20 < miah> i dont find systemd-boot to be too problematic, its very basic and easy to deal with it
14:21 < miah> not that i've made it work with openbsd, i don't dual-boot
14:21 < sibiria> rEFInd doesn't even need configuring. it just does what EFI was designed to do: handle multiple EFI applications on a per-directory basis
14:21 < miah> but its nice to not deal with grub2 on efi systems
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14:21 < miah> i mean, you don't configure systemd-boot either
14:21 < miah> but you do have to 'install' it
14:21 < sibiria> you do if you want to add multiple entries to it
14:21 < miah> ya i never do that, because dual booting sucks always
14:22 < sibiria> multi-booting is kind of the entire point of systemd-boot
14:22 < housemate> I see...
14:22 < miah> it might be, but the other point is getting your system to boot on efi, which it does
14:22 < housemate> lol
14:22 < housemate> it consists of bootctl install...
14:22 < housemate> I love it.
14:22 < sibiria> you don't need systemd-boot to boot from EFI
14:23 < housemate> very well, elegantly developed, simplistic and straight-forward.
14:23 < housemate> like fucking your taxes.
14:23 < housemate> I mean the other way around, apologis.
14:23 < housemate> I mean the other way around, apologise.*
14:23 < sibiria> housemate: read up on "systemd-boot entries" if you want to try making it render a menu
14:23 < sibiria> else try rEFInd. it works without configuring
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14:24 < housemate> thanks, will give it a brief exertion of efforts.
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14:25 < sibiria> to give it a try, you may simply move openbsd's BOOT directory on the ESP to a new name, e.g. OPENBSD, and put rEFInd in the BOOT directory instead
14:25 < sibiria> BOOT/ being the default/primary EFI application
14:26 < sibiria> rEFInd will automatically find and list the other applications
14:26 < sibiria> if openbsd's EFI bootstrap is sane (unlike pretty much everything linux) it will boot without issues regardless of what its EFI application is named
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14:29 < housemate> okay, how do I resize the btrfs fs to allow for me to install openbsd?
14:29 < miah> its been a minute, so i had to look. there isn't any 'configuration' needed for systemd-boot either (maybe for multiple entries), but 'bootctl install' is all thats needed to copy the boot manager to uefi; https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-boot
14:29 < housemate> using, say, fdisk, OR GDISK?
14:29 < housemate> I like gdisk.
14:30 < housemate> ty
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14:30 < miah> btrfs most likely has something built in to do that since btrfs/zfs both want to be volume managers
14:31 < housemate> yes, and then writing the /boot/loader/entries/* files and specfifying the options of the behaviour of the bootloader in the file /boot/loader/loader.conf ...
14:31 < housemate> what can I say? I like it.
14:31 < housemate> I see...
14:31 < miah> i avoid btrfs because its still be bit unstable (though better these years than previously); zfs i just avoid because of licensing and not-mainline
14:32 < housemate> is it possible to encrypt a btrfs filesystem, which is not encrypted at present, btw?
14:32 < miah> no idea, a #linux channel is probably better suited for those questions
14:32 < housemate> do you kind computer enthusiasts know of?
14:32 < housemate> okay, yes, sure.
14:32 < housemate> does not btrfs on openbsd..?
14:32 < housemate> or what?
14:32 < miah> thats linux only afaik
14:32 < housemate> of course you could, you can do whatever you believe that you can.
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14:33 < miah> if you want to port it though, enjoy.
14:33 < housemate> well- they're both linuxes...
14:33 < housemate> yes, ...
14:33 < miah> openbsd is not linux
14:33 < housemate> which is the openbsd fs?
14:33 < housemate> yes it is...
14:33 < miah> it is a *UNIX* yes, and Linux is based on UNIX, but linux != unix and linux != bsd
14:33 < housemate> it isn't unix, it is linux, certainly. ha ha
14:33 < housemate> it is, ngl.
14:33 < sibiria> housemate: from a practical perspective you only really have ffs as choice for openbsd. ext2 support is mature and *should* work to boot from and keep the system on as well. but ffs "is it"
14:34 < housemate> because unix is proprietary, while linux is not.
14:34 < sibiria> at least i think the bootstrap can do ext2?
14:34 < miah> its more than that
14:34 < miah> bsd's are based on unix code
14:34 < housemate> yes.
14:34 < housemate> I see...
14:34 < housemate> I can see why.
14:34 < sibiria> if not you'd have to keep / as ffs and the rest as ext2. i don't think the "mess" would be worth it
14:34 < miah> linux is entirely written from scratch outside of the unix world and tries to be somewhat unix compatible via posix and such
14:35 < housemate> but what I say remains accurate truthfulness in claim.'
14:35 < housemate> I know.
14:35 < miah> i dont know of anybody who claims that openbsd is linux or vice versa
14:35 < housemate> lol
14:35 < miah> it may be that people who don't know what they are talking about say that
14:36 < sibiria> housemate: are you still wanted by the aussie kangaroo police force?
14:36 < pardis> even to say that Linux is based on Unix is not exactly true
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14:36 < pardis> much of the design is taken from Unix, but the code is not
14:36 < miah> right
14:36 < miah> i guess it depends on how deep you go with 'based on'
14:37 < miah> 'design taken from' is roughly the same as 'based on'
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14:37 < miah> if you want to take it to the furthest, you could say linux is based on minix with unix designs
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14:38 < housemate> yes, sibiria ...
14:38 < housemate> I am not gonna lie, if it makes them happy. then I am easy.
14:38 < sibiria> godspeed, housemate 
14:38 < housemate> tyty
14:38 < housemate> you too, how's the siberian wilderness?
14:39 < housemate> smells like snosberries?
14:39 < housemate> ha ha, jkjk.
14:39 < sibiria> i'm thankfully in the north-european cultivated lands, but it's alright here!
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14:39 < sibiria> may puffy keep you from the prying five-eyes
14:39 < housemate> I met a guy from there, he came from the middle of nowhere, not anywhere in general since it all is any way!
14:39 < phy1729> Please keep it OpenBSD related
14:40 < housemate> but in eastern russia. far, far, eastern russian.
14:40 < housemate> oh, sorry.
14:40 < housemate> of course.
14:40 < housemate> is there still an ot for this community, phy1729 ?
14:40 < miah> literally nobody was talking until housemate showed up
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14:41 < housemate> lol!
14:41 < sibiria> his presence and curiosity about booting openbsd delivered this chat medium unto its intented function
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14:41 < miah> indeed
14:42 < sibiria> housemate: anyway, give refind a try if you can't wrangle systemduh-boot
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14:42 < sibiria> it's only a matter of copying the files onto the ESP and it runs
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14:43 < housemate> it is how the general IRC channel evolves on my entering into it, I am THE WORST THING SINCE ELVIS.
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14:43 < housemate> sorry phy1729 I will stop now, it was only in response to miah.
14:43 < housemate> :-)
14:43 < sibiria> AND FULL BEARDS BUT A CLEAN-SHAVEN MOUSTACHE
14:43 < sibiria> SHEESH
14:43 < housemate> with no socks, but flippers.
14:44 < sibiria> keep in mind that you should use GPT as well, not MBR, if you want to go the real EFI way
14:44 < housemate> oops shit, we need an off topic channel for us types.
14:44 < housemate> haha, I am also a sane human bean.
14:44 < housemate> ofc GPT!
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14:45 < sibiria> and openbsd as usual lives entirely inside a single partition of its own. so if you just squeeze your current linux install out of the way a bit, you should have enough to get openbsd in there as well
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14:46 < housemate> I see, okay. tyty.
14:46 < miah> good luck =)
14:46 < miah> now back to our regularly scheduled tumbleweeds
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14:58 < op999> how can i regenerate mandoc.db after i deleted it?
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14:59 < lucas> makewhatis(8)
15:00 < op999> oh wait i tried running makewhatis /usr/share/man but i didnt do it as root
15:00 < op999> oops
15:01 < vortexx> ramrunner: just out of curiosity, why use the sdmmc card instead of an ssd?
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15:13 < vortexx> housemate: systemd-boot + openbsd here: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/741709/how-to-pass-extra-options-to-openbsds-efi-boot-loader-with-systemd-boot
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15:15 < vortexx> speaking of systemd... https://github.com/reyk/systemd-openbsd (don't try this on a production or dev system!)
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15:24 < vortexx> housemate_: also there is #systemd for that type of question
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15:25 < vortexx> even I haven't tried systemd-boot yet, I'll set up a dualboot VM to test tonight 
15:27 < vortexx> (and yes you can encrypt btrfs in a LUKS container)
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17:34 < op999> what filesystem encryption does openbsd use by default?
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17:38 < phy1729> By default? None. There's an option in the installer to encrypt. But the man pages don't seem to say what algo the CRYPTO discipline uses.
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17:47 < Bradipo> Yeah, I was curious about this at one point as well.  It's in the source... some AES256 I think.
17:48 < lucas> AES-256-XTS
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18:09 < lts> That information is seriously well hidden
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18:16 < miah> it seems like the kind of information that could be added to a man page, and i wonder if a patch to do that would be welcomed
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18:23 < op999> thanks lucas 
18:23 < op999> i know phy1729 i mean when that option is selected
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18:24 < op999> maybe i shouldnt have said by default
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18:31 < morpho> does clang/llvm 18 work on OpenBSD, has anybody messed around with compiling C23?
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18:46 < vortexx> morpho: llvm 18 hasn't been imported yet, even snapshots are only on 17
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18:57 < Foxy_> morpho: LLVM 18 is imported in ports (devel/llvm/18) but not built as package
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20:10 < pi0> anyone running openbsd 7.5 on a pi4? https://github.com/pftf/RPi4 is this all i need to run it straight off the micro sd?
20:10 < pi0> i was going over the docs here, https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.5/arm64/INSTALL.arm64 and it listed it as a possible suggestion 
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20:24 < metavoid> pi0: yes, running on 3x pi4. But uefi firmware versions is picky
20:27 < pi0> do you recommend just running it off a usb drive?
20:28 < pi0> is there much of a performance difference or just the convienance of having it all in a single micro sd?
20:28 < metavoid> I run on external ssd over usb, no sd card
20:28 < metavoid> microsd is really a bottleneck
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20:31 < pi0> what type of services are you running on the pi 
20:31 < pi0> trying to see what i can do
20:32 < metavoid> postgres,haproxy,squid and other stuff
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20:32 < metavoid> httpd and telegraf
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