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00:30 < vortexx> markboston: did you get it working?
00:39 < markboston> no im downstairs cooking dinner
00:40 < markboston> i’ll try again later after dinner
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00:40 < markboston> i also need to get back to the mister as well but not tonight
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02:07 < setient> i just use default fonts, usually
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03:00 < markboston> vortexx: so trying to boot with hd,3 says it can’t find the disk i have chainload +1
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03:20 < markboston> this version of fdisk is odd
03:20 < markboston> it doesn’t actually write the changes to the disk until you tell it to
03:20 < markboston> so saving it just saves what you did
03:20 < markboston> you have to tell it write the changes to disk
03:21 < markboston> and for some reason it thinks linux is a boot partition
03:22 < markboston> the linux version when you save it automatically does a write
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03:26 < setient> mikewilzn: did you try clearing the route tables and recalculating? 
03:26 < setient> whoops
03:26 < setient> nevermind
03:27 < setient> markboston: you always gotta write your changes, the gnu fdisk prolly does a save plus write 
03:30 < mischief> markboston: it might surprise you find out that most openbsd software is completely unrelated to linux software, even if it has the same name.
03:34 < setient> or save is write, etc
03:34 < markboston> i know it does
03:34 < markboston> how do i run fdisk?
03:35 < markboston> hd doesn’t work
03:35 < markboston> ./hd doesn’t work
03:37 < setient> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html should help
03:38 < setient> have you read that?
03:39 < setient> markboston: that should help a bit i think
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03:45 < setient> markboston: you good to go or do you need more help?
03:47 < markboston> i think there something wrong
03:48 < markboston> when i try to type newfs sd2a it says no file
03:48 < markboston> it seems like the installer is bored or something
03:49 < markboston> borked
03:49 < markboston> i had freebsd installed once but i forget how i had grub setup
03:50 < markboston> ah well i’ll stick with linux i guess until i have a system i can dedicate to bed
03:50 < markboston> bsd
03:59 < setient> markboston: its /dev/sda2
03:59 < setient> try that
03:59 < setient> newfs /dev/sda2
03:59 < setient> on linux, depending on distro, you have to put the full path to the device sometimes, depending on the utility
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08:38 < amnesiac> Hi
08:38 < zelest> Hi
08:39 < amnesiac> looks like release is coming. pkg_info from new snapshot says no such dir under 7.6/packages
08:40 < zelest> It's time for that good 'ol -Dsnap again
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09:15 < amnesiac> zelest, yeah. Thank for reminder.
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11:04 < rnkn> forgive me I know this is probably a dumb question but is it possible to build any web browser with widevine support on obsd?
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11:21 < IcePic> rnkn: doesn't look like it
11:21 < IcePic> seems to require someone else to provide a precompiled blob which noone seems to have done for obsd
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12:33 < oldlaptop> questionable whether someone reasonably *could* have such a blob for openbsd
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12:43 < renaud> the blob has a source code somewhere, presumably with some hidden keys inside. There are probably people who are able to buid it, but have signed not to.
12:44 < oldlaptop> I would strongly suspect they build less often than every six months for $other_systems
12:45 < oldlaptop> the way linux treats such things "they" will have had to build precisely once per arch (* their changes, obviously), if they're doing it right
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12:55 < aaronm04> in principle, someone could make a compatibility layer to allow the Linux widevine to run on OpenBSD (assuming the arch matches)
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12:55 < aaronm04> but there are so many other ways a developer could spend their time...
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13:17 < vortexx> markboston: you're booting EFI yet using grub the BIOS way. To dual boot you need to take the BOOTX64.EFI file off your local mirror and put it in the ESP partition (which you can mount with mount_msdos) and point chainloader at that like I told you last night. Also in OpenBSD it's newfs /dev/rsd2a (raw device). Let me know if you need more help, dualbooting is fairly easy once you know what you're doing
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13:20 < vortexx> damn it, I can't get back into bsdlaptops.wordpress.com, I no longer have access to the email account
13:21 < vortexx> the grub information on there is now out of date, as you don't need to provide the disk that the bootloader is on for chainloader
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13:26  * oldlaptop would rather use refind than grub's chainloading stuff on efi
13:26  * oldlaptop would mostly rather use refind than have grub at all, given that linux is its own EFI bootloader and refind knows all about that
13:27 < vortexx> you need grub (or systemd-boot) for linux anyway, I don't like adding yet another layer to booting
13:27 < oldlaptop> You do not need grub for linux on EFI.
13:27 < vortexx> you mean you just use shimx64.efi?
13:28 < oldlaptop> I mean Linux is an EFI program, or is its own EFI bootloader, or includes an "EFI stub loader", or however you choose to put it
13:29 < vortexx> apparently some people over in that world are talking of sticking kernels+initrd in the ESP partition
13:29 < vortexx> which doesn't seem a great idea if you like FDE
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13:30 < oldlaptop> http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/linux.html#quickstart
13:30 < vortexx> I've been using grub to dual/multiboot for over 20 years now, it's always hard to kick such habits
13:30 < sibiria> i use rEFInd only on linux. no systemd-boot
13:30 < sibiria> and it just works. no messing around. not even any configuring
13:30 < oldlaptop> linux installations I've done lately seem to do whatever they need to do to make that Just Work, Right Out Of The Box
13:31 < vortexx> yep
13:31 < oldlaptop> although they tend to install a grub too - refind gets a menu entry for grub, and then a menu entry for linux
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13:31 < vortexx> as they should. Who wants to have to manually configure booting post installation?
13:32 < sibiria> what rEFInd does is to automatically list all EFI applications (the directories in EFI/ on the ESP) and just let you pick one to start
13:33 < sibiria> no need to tell it *what* you have available, unless you want to hide one of the applications
13:33 < sibiria> and it simply jumps into the chosen application folder and starts the BOOTX64.EFI in there
13:33 < oldlaptop> (and `$PACKAGER_THINGY $INSTALL refind` generally sets up the linux kernel as an EFI application where refind sees it)
13:35 < oldlaptop> openbsd shows up as the "fallback loader" if you haven't done anything fancy, and perhaps as 'openbsd/bootx64.efi' or whatever if you've taken the horrendously difficult step of putting bootx64.efi in some appropriate subdirectory
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13:35 < vortexx> yes I realize rEFInd does all the magic
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13:36 < vortexx> 'horrendously' :)
13:36 < oldlaptop> and then grub can simply go away
13:36 < vortexx> my primary requirement for grub atm is because I have an encrypted /boot partition for linux
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13:37 < vortexx> and I don't know of any way to unlock it apart from grub (systemd-boot may be able to do this)
13:38 < vortexx> (with grub-2.12 onwards you can just have one large / partition with /boot in it and encrypt that (with the right luks2 encryption, not argon2 but pbdkf), but not a single OS installer seems to know this so you have to roll your own)
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13:39 < sibiria> my dual-linux work laptop runs encrypted / but their /boot are both unencrypted unfortunately. i wish it was as easy and convenient as openbsd's FDE
13:40 < vortexx> grub can pick up that /boot is encrypted but if you're still on 2.06 you can only use luks1
13:40 < vortexx> it's a hairy business encrypting /boot, I had to practice a few times in VMs to be 100% sure
13:41 < vortexx> (shout out to whoever mentioned this was possible in this channel, some 2+ years ago)
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13:48 < vortexx> sibiria: you could just boot a live usb disk, copy the contents of /boot to / of the drive somewhere, encrypt /boot with luks, format it, copy back the contents, mount /, /boot and /boot/efi in a chroot and run update-grub or whatever your distro uses to make grub look at changes. There may be a step to make sure the crypto module is part of the grub bundle too
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14:50 < Zeftax> I cannot get past the installing of the filesets, it takes a a really long time, then after approx. 2 hours it fails on the fourth one (base75.tgz) (zip: stdin: crc error \n tar: end of archive volume 1 reached \n ftp: Writing -: Broken pipe). I have tried once, redownloaded the .img, rewrote the flash disk (with dd), tried two more times, and it keeps failing every time (not always on the same fileset, it has already failed once on bsd.mp). Also, before 
14:50 < Zeftax> installing the filesets it shows a warning about missing file SHA256.sig, I chose to continue without verification as I just want to try the system out. I am on a lenovo t480 notebook. Any ideas of what I could be doing wrong?
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14:50 < sibiria> sounds like a horribly slow mirror
14:51 < sibiria> you can of course use the install.img as well if you want, instead of the miniroot which installs over network
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14:51 < sibiria> first i'd try using a different mirror
14:51 < Zeftax> I did use install75.img, for the second two attempts. No speedup.
14:52 < IcePic> dont worry about the SHA256 warning if installing via install7x.img/iso, that is just about the inside file not being able to validate itself
14:52 < sibiria> oh. what are you installing onto?
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14:52 < IcePic> you are supposed to check the img/iso before putting it on media and booting off it
14:52 < Zeftax> lenovo t480 notebook
14:52 < sibiria> yes but the storage medium
14:53 < Zeftax> usb flash disk
14:53 < sibiria> ok, well there's your problem
14:53 < IcePic> and yes, as sibiria says, seems weird to take hours. x86 should take a few minutes
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14:53 < sibiria> SDIO-based storage (SD cards, USB memory sticks) are horrifically slow when doing multiple small writes
14:53 < sibiria> which is exactly what's happening when the installer unpacks the sets
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14:54 < Zeftax> oh, ok. So I should get my hands on a usb dvd burner?
14:54 < sibiria> when i asked what you are installing ONTO i'm asking if you're installing openbsd onto an SSD, a USB flash disk, a hard drive etc.
14:54 < sibiria> not what the installer is on
14:54 < Zeftax> oooooh
14:55 < sibiria> *reading* off of USB flash disk is entirely fine, i don't think that's where your problem is
14:55 < Zeftax> it is an sata ssd drive
14:56 < sibiria> i have no experience with the T480, but... i guess there's a chance that either that device, or the EFI/BIOS config of the thinkpad, is somehow getting in the way
14:57 < Zeftax> hmm, i will try to boot in bios mode instead of uefi, if its possible.
14:57 < sibiria> i owuld recommend EFI
14:57 < sibiria> with CSM and such disabled
14:57 < sibiria> CSM and "secure boot" stuff disabled
14:57 < sibiria> also eventual "PATA emulation" disabled, if your model offers those things for the SATA channels
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14:58 < sibiria> so that they run in normal AHCI/SATA mode and not some emulated state
14:58 < sibiria> or "RAID" state
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15:03 < Zeftax> alright, no pata emulation or raid available, secure boot was already off, set boot to uefi only and turned off csm. trying it out now.
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15:22 < Zeftax> if the speed at which it is proceeding so far is to be an indication it seems this wasnt it.
15:23 < Zeftax> Thanks for the help, I think I will have to try it on a different device once I get access to something viable.
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17:16 < tmp_> Trying to set up iked with x.509, any tips on tracking down the cause of this sort of thing: https://dpaste.org/HAFGO
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17:55 < highplainsdruid> i'm having issues with pppoe establishing a new connection upon reboot.  i have to destroy the interface and sh /bin/netstart it again.  reading the pppoe man page, it suggests adding option PPPOE_TERM_UNKNOWN_SESSIONS to the kernel config file.  anyone else run into this?  a new, different ONT for the fiber didn't fix anything and my openwrt device never had problems so i suspect it's somewhere 
17:55 < highplainsdruid> in my configuration
17:55 < highplainsdruid> where do i find the kernel config file, and does this require compiling a custom kernel?
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17:57 < highplainsdruid> i'm reading man config now, i might be able to get this on my own
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17:59 < tmp_> That'd have been where I'd've looked, too. And test with boot_config(8).
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18:08 < highplainsdruid> oof, my connection just dropped out, if anyone responded after tmp i didn't see
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18:17 < sibiria> you can do a runtime reconfiguring of the kernel. just keep in mind that it will break kernel patches from syspatch. you need to undo the config before applying those, then redo them
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18:29 < highplainsdruid> i'm not finding a way in man config to change option PPPOE_TERM_UNKNOWN_SESSIONS without recompiling, am i misunderstanding?
18:29 < highplainsdruid> i was able to successfully disable acpimadt so i don't have to do that manually with each boot, that's nice.  it wasn't playing nice with this motherboard
18:30 < sibiria> editing the kernel config doesn't need recompiling
18:30 < sibiria> the problem with openbsd's config system is that it alters the kernel itself, rather than being a separate config file read by the kernel
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18:31 < sibiria> which is why checksums and hence kernel syspatches break when you reconfigure
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18:32 < sibiria> and: not everything can be changed in the kernel's internal config
18:32 < highplainsdruid> the ability to set options only appears under the 'kernel building' section of the man page, and the text below indicates that this function is to set config files for make?
18:32 < sibiria> i don't really know if your problem is subject to that limitation
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18:35 < sibiria> kernel config mostly relates to enabling or disabling drivers, and flipping various "switches" for them
18:35 < sibiria> you can just pop into config and have a look
18:36 < sibiria> config -e -o /blargh /bsd
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18:37 < sibiria> or -o /dev/null even, probably works too
18:37 < highplainsdruid> see https://man.openbsd.org/pppoe.4 under 'kernel options' and see what you think
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18:38 < highplainsdruid> i could not find a way under config -e to set this
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18:39 < sibiria> then it's probably a hard-coded definition
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18:41 < sibiria> can't you just delay bringing up your pppoe link?
18:41 < vortexx> highplainsdruid: are you 100% sure your /etc/hostname.pppoe0 is fine?
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18:45 < highplainsdruid> i'm pretty certain the hostname.pppoe0 is fine.  i copied the config from man pppoe and edited my authentication information.  it works fine except for this issue
18:45 < highplainsdruid> how do i delay bringing it up?  put a sleep command in the hostname file?
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18:48 < vortexx> I ask because when I moved to a pppoe over vdsl line I failed to add the last part of the manpage's example with the route 0.0.0.1 thing
18:49 < vortexx> have you tried running tcpdump / wireshark on the underlying ethernet interface to see why pppoe0 won't come up ?
18:50 < highplainsdruid> oh that's a great idea.  i've been trying to figure out how to go about debugging this and wasn't really sure where to look
18:50 < highplainsdruid> i've got the route line in there
18:50 < vortexx> ok
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18:51 < vortexx> yeah I had to do that to work out that the radius server on the other end expected CHAP not PAP for the auth
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18:51 < vortexx> (wasn't in the docs I was given by the ISP)
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18:51 < sibiria> highplainsdruid: yeah adding e.g. "!sleep 10" as the very first line works as a crude hack
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18:52 < sibiria> and just in case... in your pf ruleset where you reference the interface, are you wrapping it in parens so that pf picks up various state/ip changes on it?
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18:52 < highplainsdruid> i am, yes
18:52 < highplainsdruid> thanks!
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18:54 < highplainsdruid> i'll have to wait until after business hours to really dig into this, but i appreciate all of the tips, thank you everyone
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18:55 < vortexx> you're welcome, and good luck
18:55 < vortexx> keep us posted, it's always interesting to find out what the problem really is and what it took to solve it
18:56 < highplainsdruid> will do
18:58 < sibiria> one problem with the crude sleep hack is that netstart brings up interfaces in serial. if the pppoe link is dependant on something else to establish a link first, then...
18:58 < sibiria> as some last resort maybe you can just reinit the interface in rc.local :p
18:59 < highplainsdruid> often times it requires many restarts to be stable
18:59 < sibiria> that's unfortunate
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19:00 < highplainsdruid> if i don't get any progress on my end i'm going to call my isp and see what the error messages are on their end
19:00 < highplainsdruid> one time it turned out that frost heave had physically pulled the fiber link out of the connection outside lol
19:00 < highplainsdruid> they diagnosed that one from their end
19:00 < sibiria> heh
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19:01 < highplainsdruid> it's a rural cooperatively owned isp and sometimes they are not the sharpest tools in the shed, but they are always good at working with me on stuff
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19:01 < sibiria> "IT janitors"
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19:06  * oldlaptop can recall mice in the box down by the side of the main road being an issue
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19:11 < tmp_> If the frequency of required restarts goes up and down on something like a regular pattern, that would suggest a link to some physical line issue formally analyzed back in the days of POTS. The papers on it, including fixes, are likely still online somewhere.
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19:11 < tmp_> I ran into it when I had DSL.
19:12 < tmp_> Which I don't have anymore as the provider called, using the service they provided, to inform me that the line providing service didn't exist so they were closing my account.
19:12 < oldlaptop> ...?
19:12 < tmp_> Indeed.
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19:17 < highplainsdruid> the disconnect earlier today is evidently a service outage, i called them and the message said if you are calling to report a service outage, we know
19:17 < highplainsdruid> so that's good
19:18 < highplainsdruid> it's only upon rebooting the machine that it requires a few resets to get going, it didn't happen with openwrt, and it happens on multiple machines with multiple ethernet drivers on the underlying interface so i'm inclined to believe it's on my end somewhere
19:19 < highplainsdruid> it's been an issue for a long time but now i'm actually hosting services people pay me for so i gotta dig deeper lol
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19:27 < highplainsdruid> someone did something to the internet it appears.  lots of outages on downdetector right now
19:28 < sibiria> three-letter-agency patch thursday
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19:32 < vortexx> highplainsdruid: are you on fiber? if so, is the fiber going straight into the router or via an ethernet bridge of some kind?
19:32 < vortexx> (same question for vdsl)
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19:42 < highplainsdruid> the fiber goes into an ONT that connects to my machine
19:43 < highplainsdruid> the issue persists through multiple models of ONT as well, forgot to mention
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19:43 < highplainsdruid> i tried to get them to let me hook up directly to the fiber but they want their hardware on the end for network diagnostics and stuff i think
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20:24 < highplainsdruid> i think i succeeded in building a kernel with that option
20:24 < highplainsdruid> several more hours until store close though
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20:52 < avemestr> I'll be getting 10gbit/s through fiber in a months time. Crazy times. Not that I actually have a need to push that many bits - but the ixl driver can get some exercise :-)
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21:01  * tmp_ get virtual ISDN on an overloaded network.
21:01 < vortexx> yeah I'll be in that situation by the end of the year probably... Would need to replace the APU6 which I'm not really in a hurry to do
21:02 < tmp_> I need to move somewhere I can get a modern network connection.
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21:10 < seninha> Hi, I have a openbsd vm in which high security is not something I want and it takes too much time to reorder the library. How can I disable that?
21:10 < seninha> I disabled library_aslr on rcctl(8) thinking that alone would suffice. Should I need to rm -rf /usr/share/relink too? (will that break something somehow?)
21:10 < seninha> s/Should/Do/
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21:19 < tmp_> Just to be clear, you ran `rcctl disable library_aslr` ?
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21:32 < tmp_> I'm drawing a blank on the proper way to do this, but it looks like the goal is to set library_aslr=NO in "/etc/rc.conf.local". As that's neither a service nor a daemon, rcctl won't set it?
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21:34 < tmp_> I suppose a hack way to do this that'll store it the proper way might be: grep library_aslr /etc/rc.conf | awk '{ print $1 }' | sed -e 's/YES/NO/' >> /etc/rc.conf.local
21:35 < tmp_> I'd test that without the redirect to /etc/rc.conf.local first, and note that thats a DOUBLE '>' to append the result to /etc/rc.conf.local .
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21:39  * oldlaptop doesn't quite get the reason you'd try to avoid editing the file
21:40 < tmp_> Filters out typos.
21:42  * tmp_ has been up too many dozens of hours today to work without typo filters.
21:44 < Bradipo> What prevents the > instead of >> typo? :-)
21:45 < tmp_> ... I'm still trying to figure out that one.
21:50 < sibiria> tmp_: just "rcctl disable library_aslr"
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21:54 < tmp_> I probably typod when I tried testing that....
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22:36 < seninha> tmp_, yeah, I ran `rcctl disable library_aslr` and /etc/rc.conf.local lists "library_aslr=NO"
22:37 < seninha> But kernel is still relinked when booting the vm.
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22:38 < seninha> I got told to `rm -rf /usr/share/relink` but I am not sure how that would affect the system, nor whether that will revert on sysupgrades.
22:38 < seninha> I also could not find anything by grepping the manual.
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22:46 < tmp_> Ah, 'library_aslr' only controls library relinking.
22:46 < vortexx> seninha: if you delete that I think it prevents kernel syspatches
22:47 < vortexx> as well as relinking sshd etc
22:48 < vortexx> confirmed, syspatches for the kernel use /usr/share/relink/kernel
22:48 < vortexx> (I used tar tzf on one to check(
22:49 < tmp_> Boot time kernel relinking happens in '/usr/libexec/reorder_kernel', which is called by '/etc/rc' without qualifications.
22:51 < tmp_> And, yes, '/usr/libexec/reorder_kernel' calls '/usr/share/relink/kernel'.
22:52 < seninha> yey https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=172597320627850&w=2
22:52 < seninha> "Delete /var/db/kernel.SHA256" -- Mizsei Zoltán on "ld on startup - with to disable" thread at misc@
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22:53 < seninha> It seems I'll get some "reorder_kernel: failed" on dmesg, but do not care.
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22:54 < tmp_> Yes, '/usr/libexec/reorder_kernel' is a shell script that depends on the existence of '/var/db/kernel.SHA256' to run, as well as running on a non-nfs file system. Those are the only controls i've spotted.
22:57 < tmp_> Moving '/var/db/kernel.SHA256' out of the way (or REmoving it) will have the script skip reordering the kernel and just issue instructions on how to recreate that file if you want to re-enable it.
22:58 < seninha> I wonder whether sysupgrade will restore it.
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22:59 < tmp_> Probably.
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23:10 < vortexx> sysupgrade will as it just untars everything normally
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