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00:55 < njn> i dont know if this is a dumb question, is it possible to flush the inactive memory? or is this normal behavior? im running a vm, it seems to need me to dedicate 2G of ram because a gig is being used to relink the kernel which im not getting back making the vm inoperable
01:09 < pardis> after kernel relinking is finished, you should definitely get that memory back
01:09 < pardis> it doesn't hang around once it's no longer in use
01:11 < pardis> (incidentally, I have several VMs running OpenBSD with 512M of RAM and they work fine)
01:12 < njn> maybe something else is going on
01:12 < xzdx> ok who fucked what up now
01:14 < njn> strange, im really at a loss unless its the serial speed or something else, maybe using dd to create the disk image ... 
01:14 < njn> i have no idea, im getting alot of freezing of the vm untill i kill cu and return to it, but its only staying unfrozen for a few minutes
01:15 < njn> and not every time i return to the line does it come back
01:19 < njn> i cant even use ~ ^D to cut the line, i have use another terminal on the host to actually pkill cu
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01:24 < njn> im having a feeling its not using vmctl to create the image, im going to reinstall and see if it makes any diffrence
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02:11 < seninha> njm I was also getting unresponsive vm even on ssh, not only on console
02:11 < seninha> njn, ^
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02:12 < seninha> I removed /var/db/kernel.SHA256 so kernel relink fails
02:32 < njn> i mean could just chmod /usr/libexec/reorder_kernel but i dont think thats the problem
02:32 < njn> i seem to remember having this problem before, but i just cant remember what i did to fix it
02:35 < njn> i thought maybe it was lack of ram, but even after the kernel relinks, its still becoming unresponsive
02:35 < njn> im just going to have to narrow it down
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02:43 < njn> i think its because i used dd rather than vmctl create ... 
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03:03 < seninha> njm, I dont think how that could affect, i also did that last year and have not noticed any slow IO
03:03 < seninha> You can convert it to qcow2 with qemu.
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03:04 < seninha> qemu has some options to manage disk images
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12:42 < vortexx> highplainsdruid: any update on your pppoe issue?
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13:29 < highplainsdruid> you know, i totally forgot to do testing on it last night before i went to bed
13:29 < highplainsdruid> and now the store will be open in thirty minutes
13:30 < vortexx> yeah probably not the best time to test then
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13:30 < highplainsdruid> hours are shorter saturday and sunday so i can test in the afternoon this weekend
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17:12 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. Can someone help me fix my /etc/relayd.conf? I keep getting the following syntax errors: https://bpa.st/L2J3C
17:12 < dfdx> am I missing something ridiculously/stupidly obvious? my relayd.conf is here: https://bpa.st/FUOIW
17:12 < dfdx> for the life of me I can't see anything wrong with it at all.
17:13 < dfdx> it only complains about the lines relating to lit.domain.io. 
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17:15 < dfdx> e.g., if I swap line 53 and 54, relayd -n complains about line 53 (the new line with lit.domain.io in it). i'm not sure what the problem is with that.
17:18 < dfdx> is it a TLS issue? I ran "acme-client lit.domain.io && ocspcheck -N -o /etc/ssl/lit.domain.io.ocsp.pem /etc/ssl/lit.domain.io.fullchain.pem" without any errors.
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17:33 < dfdx> omg...
17:33 < dfdx> i found the error.
17:33 < dfdx> :s/header/Header/
17:33 < dfdx> oops, other way: :s/Header/header/
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18:21 < ibs> Is there any chance of getting sound via my USB-C docked monitor? Or should I not waste time trying?
18:22 < ibs> Built-in dock in the monitor
18:23 < mischief> does the sound card appear in dmesg?
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18:27 < ibs> Not that I can see, no.
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18:34 < mischief> maybe share your dmesg
18:35 < ibs> Is there a last boot one in OpenBSD?
18:36 < miah>  /var/run/dmesg.boot
18:36 < ibs> Thanks.
18:37 < ibs> Any preferred pastebin?
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18:38 < vortexx> clbin.com is in topic
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18:46 < rpratt> ibs, I have a Dell C2722DE monitor and the sound works via USB-C.
18:47 < rpratt> You could try: dmesg | grep uaudio , and see if anything comes up?
18:47 < ibs> https://dpaste.org/B5Qta
18:47 < ibs> I couldn't find a package for clbin :-)
18:48 < ibs> rpratt: Ok. That gives some hope. 
18:48 < ibs> rpratt: Stuff shows up.. but not what I want. ;-) I'd like the 3,5mm jack on the monitor..
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18:51 < rpratt> ibs: Looking at your dmesg, I do see a uaudio2 at uaudio1 . Can you show the output of: sndioctl ?
18:52 < rpratt> ibs: Sorry, I mean audio2 at uaudio1 .
18:52 < ibs> That's a wbcam and a mic (with output).. but sure. 
18:53 < ibs> rpratt: Which flags to get you the info your interested in?
18:53 < rpratt> Just a standard sndioctl. Mine has a server.device=1 , I'm thinking you may need to experiment with your audio out to see if one of them changes the audio to where you want it to go.
18:54 < rpratt> So, like "sndioctl server.device=1" , "sndioctl server.device=2" , until you run out of devices.
18:54 < ibs> rpratt: Ah, yes. That was among the first things I tried. Give all of them a shot, but no luck.
18:55 < ibs> /Give/Gave/
18:56 < rpratt> Sorry, that is disappointing. Hopefully someone else has a better idea, but if it doesn't show up in dmesg, you might be out of luck.
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18:58 < ibs> Yeah. I sort of figured. Never got it working on FreeBSD either, with this computer, it however worked fine there with a Dell 7390 (I'm on a Dell 7490).
18:58 < ibs> Bad bad grammar. Sorry.
18:58 < ibs> #data.se%
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18:59 < ibs> https://dpaste.org/k6o28
19:00 < rpratt> I know they're always working on things. I have a 5420 (works flawlessly) and a 5450, which only started to recognize the USB dock about a month ago, and the wireless card still doesn't work.
19:01 < vortexx> ibs: pkg_add curl && <command> | curl -F 'clbin=<-' https://clbin.com
19:01 < vortexx> easy enough :)
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19:06 < ibs> vortexx: Aaaaaah, niceness.
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19:06 < ibs> I didn't read properly. 
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19:10 < mischief> uhub1: port 2 reset failed
19:10 < mischief> that could be a problem
19:14 < mischief> ibs: whats in `usbdevs`?
19:14 < ibs> mischief: Yep, but is a 3,5 jack "part of" the uhub?
19:15 < mischief> i see later in the dmesg the port seemed to work so maybe just flaky reset procedure
19:16 < ibs> #data.se%
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19:17 < ibs> https://clbin.com/andWi
19:18 < ibs> Love the clbin. Really neat.
19:18 < klsrqm> also there's paste.c-net.org: "$ <command> | nc paste.cnet.org"
19:19 < klsrqm> also there's paste.c-net.org: "$ <command> | nc paste.cnet.org 9999" even
19:19 < mischief> none of these really look like generic audio devices
19:20 < ibs> klsrqm: Thanks.
19:21 < klsrqm> what happes in `tail -f /var/log/messages` if you unplug your monitor and plug it back in?
19:22 < ibs> It loads the same devices as seen in dmesg.
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19:22 < klsrqm> yeah, well, it just doesn't see it then i guess
19:22 < klsrqm> strange that it worked on the 7390 but not on the 7490
19:22 < ibs> Yeah, I thought so too.
19:23 < armin> I'm on some 120€ thinclient here, runs "only" at 60Hz, but it's working completely fine with OpenBSD.
19:23 < rpratt> I went digging through my collection of crap, I have a UGreen External USB Sound Card Jack USB Adapter thing. It shows up on OpenBSD as uaudio device, and it was like $13 from Amazon.
19:23 < armin> rpratt: nice :D
19:24 < ibs> Well, I'm really ok anyhow.. would just be a little more fancy if I had audio via monitor. I use the 3,5 plug in the laptop now, which works fine. 
19:25 < klsrqm> ibs: i wonder whether
19:25 < klsrqm> (sorry, pressed enter at the wrong time)
19:26 < rpratt> What is the model of your monitor?
19:28 < ibs> Lenovo Thinkvision T32h-20
19:28 < armin> ibs: good choice.
19:30 < ibs> armin: Yeah, I really like the matte-ness. ;-)
19:31 < armin> ibs: well it's cheap, the panel is decent, it has usb-c, and the desk stand mount is halfway robust.
19:31 < ibs> I mounted mine in an arm.
19:31 < armin> ah, even better. :)
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19:33 < klsrqm> i'm looking at the specs for both and it seems the only difference is that there is an extra USB port on the 7490?
19:34 < klsrqm> did you get the thunderbolt version or the non-thunderbolt version?
19:34 < ibs> Oh yes. The 7390 has thunderbolt. Not the 7490. 
19:35 < klsrqm> official spec says "optional thunderbolt"
19:35 < klsrqm> right so that might be the thing?
19:35 < klsrqm> "DisplayPort over USB Type-C(optional Thunderbolt 3(1)"
19:35 < klsrqm> is it possible that you got a slightly differently specced version?
19:35 < rpratt> I apologize, you've probably already looked. On my 5450, in the BIOS -> Integrated Devices, there's an option that literally says "Type-C Dock Override" , and there's a section for Type-C Dock Audio. It does explicitly say "Dell Docks" , but it wouldn't hurt to double-check it?
19:35 < ibs> Yep. That might for sure be it. 
19:36 < ibs> rpratt: Thanks. Alrady tried all different settings in BIOS though.
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19:38 < klsrqm> say, you change that BIOS setting -- would you have to run fw_update again if changing the Type-C Dock Override; at least for the first time?
19:38 < klsrqm> (I genuinely don't know, so it's a question more broadly to the channel)
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19:42 < sibiria> if a new device shows up for the first time, and it needs external firmware, then yes
19:42 < sibiria> fw_update will only fetch firmware for devices it sees right then and there
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19:47 < seninha> For those here who have /usr/ports as a checkout of github's mirrored repo, how do you keep your own ports? Do you keep them at /usr/ports/mystuff like one is supposed to do with CVS checkout or do you use g{i,o}t features like branches to handle the port tree?
19:50 < echelon> if you're using git, you can just add your directory to .gitignore
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20:15 < armin> I wrote this here https://codeberg.org/armin/snippets/raw/branch/master/pkg because I'm too stupid to remember all the pkg_* things...
20:16 < dfdx> this is amazing, thanks.
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20:38 < IcePic> seninha: I dont see how it would differ depending on if it is a cvs or git checkout
20:47 < seninha> With git it is easier to keep different branches for different ports and also keep track of upstream repo.
20:51 < armin> Hmmmm, but wouldn't it make more sense to externalize your own ports? E.g. /usr/myports ?
20:51 < armin> Why even pollute /usr/ports in that case to begin with?
20:55 < echelon> yeah
20:55 < echelon> also, if your application is intended to run on openbsd, would it be considered a port?
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21:00 < seninha> armin, i find it easier when updating an already existant port.
21:00 < seninha> to diff and send patch to ports@
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21:01 < armin> :) thx for your answers.
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21:20 < avemestr> A long (and opinionated) write-up on various databases and filesystems and the effect of yanking the power from a drive: https://unixdigest.com/articles/battle-testing-php-fopen-sqlite-postgresql-and-mariadb-on-ffs-ufs-ext-xfs-and-zfs.html
21:21 < avemestr> The author likes FFS2. It is amuzing to see how resilient most databases and filesystems are - with only UFS having some issues with consistency.
21:21 < avemestr> (And FFS2 requiring a bit more to be fsck'ed compared to ZFS and XFS)
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22:20 < oldlaptop> avemestr: (not having read the thing yet) sqlite makes an effort to do automated tests of power-loss recovery (ISTR the procedure generally involves a gimmicked VFS/IO layer)
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22:21 < setient> avemestr: thats a neat read
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22:32 < oldlaptop> it strikes me that writing one "row" or "record" per file is just about the idea case for "just use fopen()"
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22:33 < oldlaptop> (certainly where these files are small)
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22:37 < sibiria> great article
22:37 < avemestr> There's some weirdness in the article for sure. The "you don't have to use a database, just use fopen" and such. I'd say people use database for different purposes. Still, an interesting and time-consuming test installing different OSes on physical hardware, different databases and then yanking the power to specific disks :-)
22:38 < sibiria> probably the same reason why openbsd has no hotswap support, despite it being mandatory to claim SATA support
22:38 < sibiria> the kernel seems to settle for seeing the medium on init and doesn't check up on it again
22:41 < oldlaptop> avemestr: I think treatment of that issue is pretty reasonable. (I would stress *much* more the utility of a declarative query language as a general matter. sqlite is useful without a disk.)
22:41 < oldlaptop> even when the declarative query language sucks as badly as sql
22:42 < setient> i mean, you don't need a disk for postgres or any database really. you could use a memory filesystem
22:42 < setient> i have done that for test runs of software during CI!
22:43 < oldlaptop> in the softdep tests: sqlite is going to blow up really, really hard if the filesystem separates a hot journal (or wal, I guess, in this case?) from the database.
22:44 < setient> i mean, there is a reason why oracle takes whole block devices
22:45 < oldlaptop> I suppose you could write an sqlite VFS that does that.
22:46 < oldlaptop> Pretty perverse outside some wacky embedded context.
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22:57 < echelon> i've seen people use sqlite vfs to query against json files
22:57 < echelon> in s3
22:58 < setient> oldlaptop: or CI
22:58 < setient> its VERY useful for CI
22:58 < setient> that is if you are not mocking out your db calls like you should be
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23:00 < echelon> continuous integration?
23:00 < setient> yes
23:00 < setient> memory is faster than disk so it makes your test runs go faster
23:00 < setient> so therefore its useful
23:00 < setient> fast feedback!
23:01 < echelon> that's true for everything
23:02 < setient> that is true but for tests where you dont' care about the data, its a very good use case for those memory based filesystems or whatever
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23:11 < oldlaptop> echelon: this is horrifying
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23:13 < emmatebibyte> does anyone here have any advice on the topic of routing all traffic (inbound and outbound) through wireguard on openbsd?
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23:23 < avemestr> emmatebibyte: https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-10-09-openbsd-wireguard-exit.html
23:25 < emmatebibyte> we have had little success following that guid
23:25 < emmatebibyte> e
23:25 < emmatebibyte> unfortunately
23:32 < avemestr> emmatebibyte: I'm no expert, but I think you might get better responses if you tell about your setup, what you've tried, what you experience, what errors you see, or whatever.
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23:33 < phy1729> I shove my user into a rdomain and then only have a wg if in that rdomain
23:33 < emmatebibyte> i need everything to work over the wireguard connection
23:33 < emmatebibyte> avemestr: fair enough, something just came up but i can come back later
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