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02:06 < randomuser894879> Greetings!
02:06 < randomuser894879> What cipher does OpenBSD use by default when installing the system with Full Disk Encryption?
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02:57 < byteskeptical> randomuser894879: /usr/src/sys/dev/softraid_crypto.c
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03:09 < seninha> Hi, what are the wsrc and wobj groups for? /usr/obj and /usr/src are owned by them, but no system user are in those groups.
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03:11 < phy1729> https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Bld  cf. Avoiding Root Privileges
03:11 < seninha> OpenBSD needs manpages like NetBSD's https://man.netbsd.org/groups.7 and https://man.netbsd.org/users.7
03:14 < xzdx> I JUST SAW THE CRAZIEST THING
03:14 < seninha> phy1729, thanks :)
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03:14 < aaabbb> xzdx: an object with schizophrenia?
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03:15 < xzdx> Someone made a 1.5gbps ethernet adapter that is like a port adapter lookin thing that hooks up on USBC
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03:15 < xzdx> Its like the size of a USB stick and you just stick it in your switch
03:17 < xzdx> then you plug in your computer by USB and it just grabs the adapter
03:18 < xzdx> If I can get a bunch of these I will NEVER buy ethernet cards again
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03:25 < seninha> switches are generally not close to the desk, one must need a long usb cable
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07:53 < rIMpossible> Good morning :)
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08:01 < rIMpossible> iwn0: fatal firmware error is what I get from time to time. Is it possible, that DFS (dynamic frequency selection) is active? Can I *reliably* monitor those events, for example with tcpdump(8) -y IEEE802_11_RADIO ? If yes, what do I need to take care of?
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08:03 < rIMpossible> Device is a Lenovo X61s with iwn0 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965" rev 0x61: msi, MIM
08:03 < rIMpossible> O 2T3R, MoW1, address
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08:15 < mischief> what makes you think dfs has something to do with fatal firmware errors
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08:19 < rIMpossible> mischief: It comes from time to time, that the WiFi-LED starts blinking. There is no connection then. ifconfig iwn0 shows 'No network'. After like 1 minute the network reestablishes itself, without my intervention
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09:04 < avemestr> A possible reason might be 16 year old hardware dying.
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09:07 < renaud> I have seen several devices for which the wifi card died before everything else
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09:08 < renaud> my printer being one of them. my chilrens lenovo laptops (both of them)
09:09 < mischief> rIMpossible: strictly out of curiousity what's the first line of output of `openssl speed dsa` on a machine like that
09:11 < mischief> (7950x 338863 512 bits DSA signs in 9.95s, J4115 40591 512 bit DSA signs in 10.01s for comparison)
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09:48 < sibiria> i've had several wifi cards run 24/7 for years on end. i've never had one die, but i have noticed them go "numb" on the specific wavelength they were operating on after months
09:48 < sibiria> just switching to another channel a few steps away made it go away (until it was time to switch again)
09:49 < sibiria> possibly some fundamental electric phenomenon that i'm unaware of
09:50 < sibiria> apparently capacitors can display change in charge/discharge if they operate at high fixed frequencies for extended periods, and need to be "reset"
09:52 < sibiria> exhibit change*
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10:08 < rIMpossible> mischief: https://pastebin.com/E1YikGkZ
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12:40 < sibiria> anyone who knows if it's possible to disable "mouse follows focus" in cwm? or maybe it's entirely related to x.org?
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13:56  * oldlaptop can report at least one (cheap) dead wi-fi card, possibly related to being so cheap it doesn't have a shield over the interesting bits of the PCB.
13:57 < oldlaptop> things like wi-fi radios are (AIUI) supposed to be relatively fragile to ESD and so on
14:00 < sibiria> fiddling around with antenna replacements to try solve the problem of a problematic signal environment, and ending up with one that has a wildly different impedance than the circuit was designed for, can shorten the life of the amplifiers etc.
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14:01 < sibiria> i think that's pretty much the main risk. and people do love buying "boost antennas" instead of reflectors to try solve poor wi-fi
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16:41 < vortexx> I had a bunch of pcmcia wifi cards in the early days of wifi, they would overheat the laptop (10") like nothing else
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16:45 < vortexx> they did work in OpenBSD though which was nice, don't remember the driver
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18:32 < klsrqm> Can anyone offer any hints about this dual display screen flickering issue I am having? Details in this Mastodon post: https://exquisite.social/@rqm/113176951542137445
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18:40 < vortexx> klsrqm: you might want to post your /var/log/messages so we can see the timestamps of your dmesg. That's a very long dmesg, lots of connecting and disconnecting like the usb hub is resetting a lot
18:40 < vortexx> and yes it's odd behaviour
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19:12 < avemestr> Live streams from EuroBSDCon: https://www.youtube.com/@EuroBSDcon/streams
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19:28 < vortexx> avemestr: I'm still getting through BSDCan's streams :P
19:28 < vortexx> it does help to play at 1.75x speed if the speaker's voice is adequate
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19:31 < avemestr> vortexx: BsdcanOrg added to yt-dlp list! :-)
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19:32 < vortexx> avemestr: excellent!
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19:52 < klsrqm> vortexx: I think that's because I was doing a bit of ESP32 development... I forgot how long this laptop has been running
19:53 < klsrqm> https://paste.c-net.org/DefaultPermits
19:53 < klsrqm> ^^^^ /var/log/messages
19:55 < klsrqm> the video I recorded is timestamped around 14:49 today (21 Sept) -- I  see no events corresponding to it in the logs
19:56 < klsrqm> The barcode reader in the logs is a big LOL, I have no idea what that is about :D
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20:02 < vortexx> klsrqm: thanks for providing that, I have no real idea what the issue is, does this happen in another OS? Was it fine in 7.4?
20:02 < vortexx> might be failing hw, how old is it?
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20:17 < vortexx> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20240921181110
20:17 < vortexx> DSA keys will be deprecated early 2025
20:18 < klsrqm> vortexx: kt?S 
20:18 < klsrqm> .... sorry 
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20:21 < klsrqm> It's an early 2014 Macbook Air, i5 model
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20:24 < klsrqm> https://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=c02nthseg083
20:24 < oldlaptop> vortexx: openssh is the wrong target for irritation and all that, but that will of course be inconvenient for those cases where some ancient creaky trashy ssh server is still out there in production :|
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20:44 < vortexx> oldlaptop: well for people on ancient OSes that do have ssh it can be an issue, but those are usually only on protected lans
20:44 < vortexx> NexTSTEP 3.3 for ex has ssh backported
20:45 < vortexx> also sshd has grown RefuseConnection and some other things that may remove the need for pf to limit rate and blacklist ssh connections:  sshd(8): add a sshd_config "RefuseConnection" option that, if set
20:45 < vortexx>    will terminate the connection at the first authentication request.
20:45 < vortexx>  * sshd(8): add a "refuseconnection" penalty class to sshd_config
20:45 < vortexx>    PerSourcePenalties that is applied when a connection is dropped by
20:45 < vortexx>    the new RefuseConnection keyword.
20:45 < vortexx>  * sshd(8): add a "Match invalid-user" predicate to sshd_config Match
20:45 < vortexx>    options that matches when the target username is not valid on the
20:46 < oldlaptop> at that point, openbsd does still ship /usr/bin/telnet :P
20:46 < vortexx>    server
20:46 < vortexx> (apologies but this is important new info for sshd)
20:46 < oldlaptop> maybe just the first line or three would be important enough
20:47 < vortexx> should have formated them to two-three lines
20:47 < vortexx> anyway :P
20:47 < vortexx> 7.6 will allow you to remove a line or two in pf.conf perhaps, and let sshd manage rate limiting
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20:48 < vortexx> match invalid-user will reduce churn by quite a bit I reckon
20:49 < oldlaptop> but then I don't get to collect all the log entries for failed logins as "xi"
20:49 < klsrqm> oh the hijinx for invalid-user i can think of
20:49 < klsrqm> invalid users are fair game right?! :D
20:50 < oldlaptop> I don't think you get to call the users invalid for filling up their 4K disk quotas
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20:53 < vortexx> oldlaptop: at uni I had a 10Mb disk quota :P
20:54 < vortexx> (on Sun SparcStation 5s=
20:54 < vortexx> )
20:54 < klsrqm> that's a really cool machine. did those have the space cadet keyboards?
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20:56 < vortexx> which where?
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20:58 < klsrqm> Sun SparcStations-- for some reason I thought that Sun Sparcstations had these super cool keyboards that allowed you to type 4000-ish different characters 
20:58 < klsrqm> --- wrong, acc to wikipedia those were the Lisp machines
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21:04 < rIMpossible> exit
21:06 < vortexx> klsrqm: the keyboards were unixy enough to allow you to do stop-A and thus evade the mandatory 9pm reboot (they were all network booted and the internal drive was used for swap
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21:13 < vortexx> Stop-A essentially paused the entire machine
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21:14 < klsrqm> pretty cool! i managed to achieve very similar functionality on my latest ESP32 project, although, not intentionally... :D
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21:36 < vortexx> klsrqm: and what's an ESP32?
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21:43 < vortexx> oh, a SoC thingy
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23:22 < aaronm04> If I wanted to recreate the LiveUSB experience with OpenBSD, would the best approach be to unpack a tarball into a ramdisk, then chroot on init into the ramdisk?
23:24 < aaronm04> Or cpio instead of tarball...
23:37 < mischief> why?
23:37 < vortexx> aaronm04: just install to a second usb drive and boot that
23:37 < vortexx> nothing more needed
23:38 < vortexx> or do you want to run the whole or most of the OS in mfs?
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23:43 < aaronm04> The point is an installation that gets wiped clean on reboot
23:46 < sibiria> fuguita is a "live" openbsd product. the author documented the entire solution for others to learn from
23:51 < vortexx> indeed
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