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00:28 < seninha> tux0r, it is more extensible tho. One can add more source forges without having to create new variables.
00:28 < seninha> like sr.ht
00:31 < tux0r> seninha: one of the problems with this approach is that it is impossible to use self-hosted repositories AFAIK
00:31 < tux0r> granted, that wasn't easier with the old approach
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00:31 < phy1729> https://github.com/openbsd/ports/blob/master/infrastructure/db/dist-tuple.pattern
00:32 < tux0r> i'd like to have a DIST_TUPLE like "vcs host path tagname/commithash targetdir" or something, allowing me to just use my fossil server as a source for my ports
00:32 < tux0r> but that would break compatibility with something, i guess.
00:33 < phy1729> You can still do that with SITES
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00:34 < tux0r> DIST_TUPLE is redundant while SITES exists.
00:34 < tux0r> one of those should go ;-)
00:35 < phy1729> Having a shorter way to do a thing can be helpful
00:36 < tux0r> openbsd is not necessarily known for providing two or more ways to do the same thing
00:36 < tux0r> (which is good)
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00:40 < thrig> (and they lack developers for all those extra knobs)
00:41 < phy1729> Except in this case the developers wanted the shortcut
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01:03 < pardis> does the bikeshed come with additional packages?
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11:39 < bsdbandit01_>  Good morning 
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12:10 < amnesiac> Hi guys. vmd could passthrough usb devices from host ?
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12:13 < sibiria> no
12:14 < amnesiac> sibiria, i c
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18:23 < vortexx> 7.6 ports tree has landed
18:23 < vortexx> time to fire up dpb, once it's cheap leccy time
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18:25 < systemdsucks> vortexx: macbook still won't boot :(
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18:32 < vortexx> systemdsucks: that's terrible, I doubt it'll be fixed in 7.6. Can you revert to 7.5 perhaps?
18:33 < systemdsucks> vortexx: i am in 7.5, plan is just skip 7.6 I guess
18:34 < systemdsucks> by the time I installed 7.5, snapshots were already not booting on this hw
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18:38 < vortexx> oh wow if it's been this long I hope you filed a bug for this
18:38 < vortexx> so irritating when you can't even boot
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18:43 < systemdsucks> vortexx: I didn't, when I noticed it someone already had sent a mail about it to  -bugs
18:45 < vortexx> systemdsucks: Ok so at least someone has done that. You wouldn't happen to have the link to that bug would you? (I'm going to look on marc.info as well)
18:46 < systemdsucks> vortexx: i can look it up
18:46 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=172296226508903&w=2 this?
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18:46 < systemdsucks> let me see
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18:47 < systemdsucks> vortexx: yes, that one
18:47 < systemdsucks> t will still hang after recognizing/configuring the SSD (sd0)
18:47 < systemdsucks> exactly that
18:48 < systemdsucks> the hw is the same, macbook 12.1
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18:49 < vortexx> ok
18:49 < vortexx> yeah there's no follow up :/
18:49 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=172645193101111&w=2 this one looks similar
18:50 < systemdsucks> yes, quite similar and also refers to the other one
18:51 < systemdsucks> slightly different hw
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18:56 < vortexx> maybe you should email with reference to either one or both of those bugs on tech@ and ask if there's an answer for this
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18:59 < systemdsucks> vortexx: ok, i'd just have to suscribe to the list as well 
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23:35 < jb1277976> hi, thinking of trying openbsd currently using freebsd.. is there documentation of openbsd on a chromebook ? the chromebook is full uefi it runs nice only thing that dosen't work is sound
23:36 < vortexx> there's rarely documentation specific to one device. You can check for dmesgs here: https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=index&fts=chromebook
23:37 < jb1277976> Thanks
23:37 < vortexx> usually everything but nvidia gpus and certain wifi cards is supported
23:38 < vortexx> wifi on OpenBSD isn't great at all
23:38 < Bradipo> Which is odd because network in general on OpenBSD is pretty solid.
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23:40 < jb1277976> looking at some of those dmesg's seem to suffer the same thing i am on this chromebook.. it only outputs 1 pcm device and thats usually just 1 pcm that does nothing
23:41 < jb1277976> never hearts to boot it up
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23:41 < jb1277976> s/hearts/hurts/
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23:42 < ssm> vortexx: works infinitely better than Nutworkmanager, unless you're just referring to hardware support
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23:45 < vortexx> ssm: hardware support, specifically
23:45 < vortexx> we all know this, there's no point hiding it
23:45 < vortexx> Stephan Sperling is the onyl dev and he can do about one driver per 6-12 months
23:46 < pardis> there's loads of unsupported stuff that isn't nvidia or wifi
23:46 < pardis> bluetooth is an obvious example
23:46 < vortexx> and that doesn't extend to updating the 802.11 stack for .11ac or .11ax at expected (on other OSes) speeds
23:46 < vortexx> yeah bluetooth too, but for audio there's ways around that
23:46 < pardis> also, "Chromebook" is a marketing brand for a very wide range of different hardware
23:46 < vortexx> (usb dongles handling it all)
23:48 < pardis> modern power management stuff isn't very well supported either
23:48 < pardis> and NVMe is only supported on a technicality
23:48 < pardis> (NVMe devices will work by essentially pretending they are spinning magnetic disks)
23:49 < vortexx> at least they work
23:49 < vortexx> we'd be up the creek if they didn't
23:49 < Bradipo> Is lack of funding the limiting factor?  Or lack of contributors?
23:49 < pardis> yes, but it's another case where the speeds expected on other OSes aren't achieved
23:49 < vortexx> both, but mostly lack of contributors
23:51 < jb1277976> can i install openbsd on an existing installation of like say freebsd
23:51 < jb1277976> i can't find a usb stick
23:53 < Bradipo> You can probably write a bootable USB stick from FreeBSD using just dd.
23:54 < ssm> jb1277976: unless you can load everything into ram like a ramdisk, doing an in-place installation will just leave you with a broken installation
23:54 < tmp_> Depending on how the hardware boots, you may be able to write a miniroot image to the swap partition and boot from that.
23:54 < jb1277976> naw doing to much.. let me keep looking for this usb stick
23:55 < tmp_> s/miniroot/miniroot-installer/
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