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00:02 < vortexx> tmp_: that's more of a NetBSD thing
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00:04 < tmp_> That's an arch thing. arm64 and octeon have it.
00:06 < jb1277976> found a stick
00:07 < tmp_> Though I mostly used to use that in dealing with sparc/sparc64.
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00:15 < jb1277976> which one should i get i want the full disk so i don't have to use the network right away install75.iso ?
00:15 < systemdsucks> .fs if writing to flashdrive
00:15 < jb1277976> ?
00:16 < systemdsucks> or .img
00:16 < systemdsucks> yes, img
00:17 < jb1277976> Thanks
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00:20 < jb1277976> looks like i tried openbsd before wow can't belive i forgot.. i posted it about it on the nycbug website with no response https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=7398
00:21 < jb1277976> I think it was on an hp though
00:22 < jb1277976> nope it was freebsd
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00:28 < jb1277976> systemdsucks: there an option to install from the usb stick the full install instead of the network ?
00:29 < systemdsucks> yes, answer D
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00:29 < systemdsucks> for the location of sets
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00:57 < jb1277976> I. The location of sets of disk what do I choose ?
00:57 < jb1277976> Disk right ?
00:58 < jb1277976> D isn't  working 
01:05 < vortexx> depends if you're on the miniroot or install img. If miniroot you'll need to do it over http, install choose disk if you'd like, and then select not mounted yet
01:05 < vortexx> after that just keep hitting enter, the defaults should work
01:06 < jb1277976> Wired it's only recognizing sd0
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01:42 < jb1277976> Wired the installer only recognizing the USB sd0 yet dmesg shows sdhc1 emmc
01:42 < jb1277976> That normal?
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02:50 < jb1277976> Check it out https://misc.openbsd.narkive.com/wX4zuC1V/need-help-installing-6-3-to-acer-aspire-with-emmc-drive-sdmmc-troubles they installed openBSD to a USB then rebooted then the emmc was recognized then they installed to the emmc
02:51 < jb1277976> People are geniuses
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02:58 < thrig> or you could make the partitions and copy files and fiddle around with installboot if you like more typing
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04:18 < jb1277976> thrig: in Linux make the partition?
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04:31 < Intrepid> Hi all, I'm trying to backup a particular directory and all sub directories from my HDD to an encrypted USB stick containing the same directory from an earlier backup. I only want it to copy across new files from a particular date so that I'm not copying across duplicates from earlier backups. What is a sample cp command line I could use to achieve
04:31 < Intrepid> this?
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04:33 < thrig> there are actual backup programs that handle all those fiddly details
04:35 < jb1277976> thrig: got any documentation on the install boot and commands so I can read up ? Making chicken nuggets right now 😁
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04:40 < remiliascarlet> jb1277976: Nice, I made myself a bone in rib eye steak and 10 egg yolks in the meantime.
04:41 < remiliascarlet> Rib eye is cooked in cow's fat.
04:42 < jb1277976> Nice
04:43 < jb1277976> Scre this I'm gonna install openBSD on a laptop that works out the box lol to much hassle. I need to replace the HDD cause it's a spinning hard drive so everything is slow 
04:44 < jb1277976> Screw*
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04:57 < Intrepid> Just looking at Restic as a backup option - anyone used it? How'd you find it?
05:01 < thrig> gemini://thrig.me/tech/openbsd/restic.gmi
05:02 < Intrepid> link "not understood" in firefox... got a working link? Whats the gist?
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05:15 < remiliascarlet> Intrepid: It's a Gemini link, not HTTP.
05:15 < remiliascarlet> You need a Gemini browser for that.
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06:05 < jb1277976> Anything I can do about this temperature shutting down my laptop isn't hot or warm 
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06:14 < jb1277976> In fact my laptop is cold
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06:26 < jb1277976> I can't do anything. Wired 
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06:54 < oen> jb1277976: I had a temperature problem once with an old laptop, it reported crazy high temperatures at bootup. I think I worked around it by using "boot -c" and then diabling acpi before booting up
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07:00 < jb1277976> oen: do you remember how you did it ?
07:01 < jb1277976> That worked thanks oen 
07:05 < oen> I think maybe you can just disable the acpitz, instead of disabling the whole of acpi
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07:15 < jb1277976> Ok.. do I have to do it at every boot ?
07:15 < IcePic> you can use config(8) to set such options permanently
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07:31 < jb1277976> thanks
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08:01 < jb1277976> IcePic: config -e -o bsd.new /bsd then disable acpitz I quit rebooted and the temperature can't back 
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08:11 < IcePic> did you boot into bsd.new? Otherwise the changes ended up in a kernel file which the boot loader did not select
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10:30 < P-NuT> Morning all. Has the openbsd project (or anyone else) ever done any security auditing on the OpenIKED software? Is anyone able to make a claim that it's more secure than strongswan, let's say? 
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10:32 < sibiria> it may have been audited at the same time the ipsec codebase was audited in late 2010
10:34 < P-NuT> Hmm... Is strongswan more popular then? 
10:34 < P-NuT> It seems like it's used everywhere..
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10:45 < IcePic> sweeps yes, claims no
10:46 < IcePic> and strongswan is on an OS that is used more, so it would be natural for it to have a larger userbase, if something like "every 0.1% of any OS user will at one point create a vpn"
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14:20 < vortexx> it's amazing what net/samba will pull in as dependencies. gtk+ 2&3, qt, rust, llvm, gcc, 
14:21 < vortexx> (I'm trying to come up with the bare minimum of packages I need built for my VMs and the router, none of which need GUI stuff, and I'm testing port by port what gets downloaded, for 39 ports
14:21 < vortexx> )
14:21 < vortexx> s/router/routers
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14:24 < vortexx> net/weechat pulls in rust, of all things for an irc client
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14:26 < aaronm04> what does weechat use rust for?
14:27 < phy1729> Are you sure it's not a build dep?
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14:29 < oldlaptop> lang/rust itself is the compiler, isn't it?
14:30 < vortexx> phy1729: it's a build dep yes
14:30 < vortexx> all the stuff I'm mentioning are things being pulled in to build a port
14:30 < vortexx> duplicity uses rust too
14:30 < vortexx> (my backup system of choice)
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14:35 < Foxy_> vortexx: rust is NOT a build depends for Weechat, confusion with Ruby
14:36 < Foxy_> weecaht depends on Python, Lua and RUby... but NOT on Rust
14:36 < getz> dkjjyyy
14:36 < Foxy_> *weechat
14:36 < vortexx> Foxy_: it's pulling in rustc at the distfile download stage, so something that weechat depends on pulls it in
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14:49 < vortexx> it uses no less than 177 distfiles if you start from scratch
14:50 < vortexx> which is kind of enormous for an irc client. Oh well...
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14:53 < Bradipo> Is that because of dependencies?
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14:56 < phy1729> It depends on multiple languages because scripts can be written in multiple lanaguages
14:58 < vortexx> Bradipo: yes
14:58 < vortexx> net/zabbix pulls in a ton of things too
15:00 < sibiria> a ton of popular packages could benefit from a -minimal flavor
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15:04 < vortexx> yeah it'd be nice, especially for stuff that runs in just tui or as a daemon
15:05 < vortexx> tough to sort out though
15:05 < sibiria> toughest part is getting the project to accept the port
15:05 < phy1729> Counting all the build deps isn't particularly fair
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15:08 < Bradipo> Depends on what one is analyzing I suppose.
15:08 < vortexx> it's a pretty edge case, most users don't build their own packages
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15:24 < aaronm04> oh, newer Ruby can use Rust
15:25 < aaronm04> it has some kind of JIT written in Rust now
15:25 < aaronm04> so Rust would probably be a transitive build dep of weechat?
15:26 < aaronm04> I think the JIT is optional?
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15:27 < aaronm04> it's called YJIT
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15:33 < oldlaptop> It is well and wisely said that OpenBSD is not Gentoo
15:35 < aaronm04> are you referring to optional deps?
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16:01 < oldlaptop> That's one part of it, I suppose.
16:01 < oldlaptop> (the useful part, as opposed to "I wonder what happens when I build the kernel with -Ofast")
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16:04 < amnesiac> Hi huys
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16:04 < amnesiac> why could dhcp stopped working for vmd guests after switching stable -> current ?
16:05 < amnesiac> any changes ?
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16:05 < sibiria> current is always full of changes and surprises. it's its "thing"
16:07 < amnesiac> sibiria, ye yes
16:08 < aaronm04> amnesiac: I don't know but you could look in openbsd-tech archives from the past few months for mentions of dhcp and/or vm(m|d)
16:08 < amnesiac> still can't figure out why it stopped to get addresses, nothing changed in host dhcpd.conf and vm.conf
16:09 < aaronm04> you can also try tcpdumping various interfaces
16:09 < aaronm04> to narrow down where the problem is
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16:11 < amnesiac> aaronm04, already, packets exist on tap and bridge, however absent on vether interface where dhcpd is listening to
16:11 < amnesiac> request passes tap and bridge, and not reaches vether by some reason
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16:13 < amnesiac> looks like some mrouter may be ipv4toipv6 was on host system, and passed this kind of traffic somwhere. and now it broken. 
16:13 < amnesiac> pflog says this: 
16:13 < amnesiac> rule def/(ip-option) [uid 0, pid 0] block in on tap0: :: > ff02::16: HBH (rtalert: 0x0000) multicast listener report v2, 1 group record(s)[|icmp6] [hlim 1] (len 36)
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16:52 < amnesiac> sibiria, aaronm04 figured out that this was pf rules.
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17:05 < vortexx> -current got tagged today btw
17:05 < amnesiac> great
17:05 < vortexx> (well, last night actually)
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17:18 < joe9> is there a pdf viewer that respects X11 -geometry? mupdf does not. Even zathura does not seem to do so.
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17:18 < Bradipo> xpdf does I think.
17:18 < joe9> thanks.
17:19 < Bradipo> I don't know about the new one that was recently changed.
17:19 < Bradipo> I know the old one, which has now been renamed xpdf3 in ports, does.
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17:19 < Bradipo> If this is what you mean: -geometry <string>  : initial window geometry
17:20 < joe9> yes, that is what I mean.
17:20 < Bradipo> Yeah, I use that to have explicit placement for xpdf3.
17:20 < Bradipo> The new one doesn't seem to have it.  I spit on it.
17:21 < joe9> that sucks, thanks. i will try to get xpdf3
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17:22 < joe9> xpdf3 works fine. Thanks, I will stick with it.
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17:23 < joe9> xpdf seems to do so too. 
17:24 < Bradipo> Well, it's usage doesn't state it.
17:25 < joe9> Bradipo: Thanks, both work fine with -geometry.
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18:05 < jb1277976> What happened to quassel irc client ?
18:05 < jb1277976> I don't see it in ports or packages 
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18:11 < thrig> last mentioned 2022 https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&w=2&r=1&s=quassel&q=b
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18:28 < jb1277976> Thanks
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18:57 < oldlaptop> jb1277976: I've been building it outside the ports system for years, with no patches or anything. You need to set CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH to include the Qt cmake files (/usr/local/lib/qt/cmake or something), and I've lately had to add -lc to LDFLAGS (haven't dug into that)
18:57 < oldlaptop> I'd say I keep meaning to get around to writing a port, but someone already did that and mailed it in...
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18:59 < oldlaptop> I've also never bothered with setting up tls, since I haven't used it without either ssh or wireguard
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19:04 < jb1277976> oldlaptop: Thanks
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20:25 < markand> anyone having issues with ibus on GNOME? sometimes keyboard input gets unexistant but windows keybinds still work...
20:26 < vortexx> markand: in the limited time I've used GNOME of late (on 7.5) I haven't had that issue
20:26 < vortexx> are you running -current or -stable?
20:26 < vortexx> (this was mostly in a VM)
20:26 < markand> no, 7.5
20:26 < vortexx> ok so -stable
20:26 < vortexx> like me
20:27 < vortexx> does it happen randomly? How's your ram usage?
20:27 < vortexx> nothing messes with GNOME like running out of swap
20:27 < markand> yeah last time it even happened without logging, directly at gdm :(
20:28 < markand> 8GB RAM, 54% used
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20:31 < ibs> I'm aware I won't get answers.. but still, is it DSA? https://nitter.privacydev.net/evilsocket/status/1838169889330135132
20:33 < jb1277976> openBSD is polar opposite of freeBSD 
20:33 < Bradipo> Is what DSA?
20:42 < byteskeptical> I suppose he means if DSA key support is the underlying issue found by evilsocket?
20:43 < byteskeptical> or rather somewhere in the DSA codebase
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20:53 < vortexx> markand: you've twigged my memory, you need to up some limits in login.conf iirc
20:53 < vortexx> specifically for staff entries
20:53 < vortexx> lemme boot the vm
20:56 < vortexx> up the openfiles-cur and -max, maxproc-cur and -max and the datasize-cur and max
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21:05 < ibs> Bradipo: The link. :-)
21:06 < ibs> Bradipo: Or rather.. what's behind it. 
21:06 < ibs> byteskeptical: Yep, correct.
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21:32 < jb1277976> I'm reading https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html but it doesn't show all the make commands.  Is there a section for that ?
21:33 < rak> OpenSSH 9.1 changed the syntax for match statements. Any ideas on how to fix 'Match final host="*.sdf.org"'? I tried removing double quotes, no luck. The man page and https://www.openssh.com/releasenotes.html#9.9p1 aren't particularly helpful. I'm getting "Missing Match criteria for host=*.sdf.org"
21:33 < byteskeptical> jb1277976: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/guide.html
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21:40 < phy1729> Match final host "*.sdf.org"    maybe? It doesn't look like that should work from the man page, but it looks plausable from a quick code scan
21:41 < rak> phy1729: That did it, thanks!
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22:02 < jb1277976> Does make IS_INTERACTIVE=yes not do anything. I'm doing it wrong I know 
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23:09 < pardis> what do you expect it to do?
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23:38 < jb1277976> pardis: give me prompts or let me take what I want out or put in the port then compile?
23:39 < pardis> why do you expect it to do any of those things?
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23:42 < mischief> that's not really how make works
23:43 < oldlaptop> Normally the interactive thing one uses to decide which things are in a makefile is a text editor.
23:43 < oldlaptop> (Some of them even have prompts.)
23:49 < pardis> I'm sure you could implement a text editor as a Makefile if you were determined enough
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23:50 < oldlaptop> probably not a POSIX one
23:50 < oldlaptop> (at some point you're not writing a makefile, you're writing a shell script the even harder way)
23:51 < thrig> in theory sendmail macros are turing complete
23:52 < oldlaptop> in theory even Turing machines are Turing-complete
23:52 < Bradipo> I'm glad that I haven't had to work with sendmail macros since the late '90s.
23:53 < thrig> but can they play a record that destroys turing machines?
23:54 < pardis> does sendmail -o interactive=yes not do anything? I'm confused
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