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06:05 < IcePic> polarian: well, the way I see it, a gpl dev hands out the code, and the receipient could try to do anything with it, but is limited by certain rules that says if you do x,y,z (mostly related to giving it away once more), then receiver must also publish source so it can (somehow) get back to the dev once more. So the receipients of the gpl code are slightly limited and have less freedoms than no-rules.  
06:07 < IcePic> polarian: the person giving away gpl code expects to be able to gain back improvements that may arise after the release if license is followed. For BSDL on the other hand, the receiver is given slightly more freedoms, including not handing source back, including slapping GPL-like rules on it and so on. So this gives the receipient more freedoms with the code they receive, and hence in my view, the BSDL 
06:07 < IcePic> focuses on maximizing the freedoms of the user and not the publisher
06:08 < IcePic> both gpl and bsdl has the least possible limitations in place to prevent strike-back, ie, in both cases, you can't take someones bsdl/gpl code and re-publish it as your own and try to sue the developer for stealing your code, nor can you sue because /bin/ls did not start your kitchen appliance as you expected it to
06:10 < IcePic> but apart from saying "this is my code but you may have it", they tend to focus on different aspects of sharing. gpl cares for the developer (or the-code-itself) so it can get back edits, the bsdl focuses on maximizing what the user may do with it, as long as its not legally trying to hurt the publisher
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11:17 < polarian> IcePic: ah I get your point of view now, thanks 
11:17 < polarian> +1
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13:12 < a1fa> hello o/
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13:36 < a1fa> i am struggling to get relayd to log correctly. it only logs connection errors.. but no http protocol logs, like requested in the config
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14:02 < a1fa> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1330868
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14:26 < a1fa> Is Ryek still around? He has been silent for a while
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14:28 < a1fa> Last he posted was last year in '23
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14:37 < remiliascarlet> polarian: I won't see myself using HyperbolaBSD for anything serious, but I am willing to at least try it out in a VM or something for curiosity sake.
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16:18 < nmeum> hi, I would like to use relayd/httpd as a reverse proxy with authentication (http basic auth or TLS client certs). however, it seems to me that this is presently not possible as relayd doesn't support authentication and httpd can't by itself act as a reverse proxy. am I missing something or is this just not possible rn?
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16:32 < nmeum> looks like I am not the first person to run into this: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=163999575616513&w=2
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19:29 < a1fa> nmeum: haproxy may be what you want
19:29 < a1fa> im struggling with relayd myself.. its not even logging like its supposed to
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19:36 < Bradipo> relayd is log deficient.
19:37 < pardis> relayd is deficient in many ways
19:37 < pardis> it's very focused on being a simple reverse proxy, but if you need something more then it's often far less hassle to just install nginx or haproxy or something
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19:38 < a1fa> i would be supper happy with just logging what it says it would log
19:39 < a1fa> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1330868
19:39 < a1fa> haproxy is the king
19:40 < a1fa> except  haproxy is not pledged ;)
19:40 < Bradipo> I've been pleased with relayd once I get it working, but often getting it working is super challenging.
19:41 < a1fa> does your logging work?
19:43 < a1fa> i would be happy with these minimums if the logging worked
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19:44 < Bradipo> At the moment, I see in the man page that it supports CONNECT.  Which suggests to me that I could potentially make it relay traffic to a local ports (e.g. as a tunnel transport).
19:44 < Bradipo> What logging are you trying to use?
19:45 < a1fa> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1330868
19:45 < Bradipo> I have "log state changes" and "log connection" in my relayd.conf
19:45 < a1fa> 7.6: Added a "log" option to relayd.conf(5) rules. 
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19:45 < Bradipo> Oh, I'm not on 7.6.
19:45 < a1fa> lol.. i am on 7.5 as well
19:46 < Bradipo> So you're trying to log the "match header" and "match response"?
19:46 < a1fa> just match header
19:46 < a1fa> thats incoming
19:46 < a1fa> i dont care about response
19:46 < Bradipo> I see.
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19:47 < a1fa> betwen httpd and relayd.. i am blind as a bat 
19:47 < Bradipo> Where in the man page does it say you can have a log statement: http://man.openbsd.org/relayd.conf
19:48 < a1fa> https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-7.5/relayd.conf#log~2
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19:50 < Bradipo> Oh, so it's also in  7.5...
19:50 < Bradipo> So in this case, the key/value pair that is supposed to be logged is what?
19:50 < a1fa>     match header log "Host"
19:51 < a1fa>     match url log
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19:51 < a1fa> httpd log is useless.. i no longer see client ips
19:53 < a1fa> im too invested in relayd to change it to haproxy this go around
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