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00:09 < Zeroctober> polarian: the website says it came out Tuesday. OpenBSD is from the future. :)
00:09 < polarian> Zeroctober: I guess theo got a little ahead of himself :)
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00:22 < a1fa> o/
00:23 < a1fa> polarian: it released on Saturday
00:24 < polarian> a1fa: it hit the mirror on saturday
00:24 < polarian> not the same thing :)
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00:29 < a1fa> ok
00:33 < hussein1> how can i make dhcpd listen on multiple interfaces? i tried 'dhcpd_flags=em1 em2' and 'dhcpd_flags=em1,em2' but neither worked
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00:38 < dayid> hussein1: what is "neither worked", does it listen or give an error?
00:38 < hussein1> it fails to start with an error
00:39 < hussein1> it worked with "em1 em2" in quotes
00:40 < dayid> ok
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01:24 < nacelle> when I sysupgrade a box from 7.5 to 7.6, it reboots and its back in 7.5.  Any ideas?
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01:24 < nacelle> sysupgrade: installed new /bsd.upgrade. Old kernel version: OpenBSD 7.5 (GENERIC.MP) #2: Mon Sep 16 15:56:43 CEST 2024     root@syspatch-75-amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
01:24 < nacelle>  /bsd: OpenBSD 7.6 (RAMDISK_CD) #326: Mon Sep 30 09:00:03 MDT 2024 
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01:25 < nacelle> then the reboot
01:25 < nacelle>  /bsd: OpenBSD 7.5 (GENERIC.MP) #2: Mon Sep 16 15:56:43 CEST 2024
01:25 < nacelle>  /bsd:     root@syspatch-75-amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
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01:28 < Zeroctober> I notice your 7.5 kernel is from just last month... are you on a snapshot? that might have something to do with it
01:30 < Zeroctober> oh wait... no mine is too
01:30 < Zeroctober> never mind, disregard me
01:31 < nacelle> syspatched
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01:31 < Zeroctober> yeah
01:32 < nacelle> thanks for looking into it
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06:35 < klsrqm> "Fetching from ftp://ftp.spline.de/pub/OpenBSD//7.6/amd64/
06:35 < klsrqm> "
06:35 < klsrqm> \o/
06:36 < mavez> 7.6 is out?
06:36 < klsrqm> indeed it is!
06:36 < mavez> sweet!
06:36 < klsrqm> upgrading is probably NOT what I ought to be doing when I am supposed to be getting ready for work; but ... :D
06:37 < klsrqm> it's just too exciting to look at progress bars on the terminal
06:37  * klsrqm is a man of simple pleasurse
06:37 < mavez> lol
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06:39 < mavez> i'll upgrade at the weekend
06:42 < zelest> it's just 2-3 commands :D
06:42 < zelest> this release was supersmooth to upgrade
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06:47 < renaud> sysupgrade -> pkg_add -u -> sysclean -> reboot
06:47 < renaud> 4 commands :)
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06:48 < zelest> sysclean before reboot? :)
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06:48 < zelest> oh, nvm
06:49  * zelest is so used to running with -sn :D
06:49 < zelest> (don't, unless you wanna bump to -current)
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07:03 < renaud> zelest: yes, I alwaysreboot after the sysclean so I know that all services are able to run properly after using sysclean and that they are all using the new libs
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07:03 < renaud> that means 2 reboots, but I feel it safer
07:05 < zelest> renaud, no no, I was referring to no reboot after sysupgrade, but forgot sysupgrade actually reboots automatically unless you specify -n :D
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08:26 < lockywolf> is there a way to run tcpdump on all interfaces?
08:26 < lockywolf> line tcpdump -i any on other operating systems
08:28 < skdjs> is 7.6 not yet distributed?
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08:41 < lockywolf> skdjs: is this option in 7.6?
08:41 < lockywolf> :/
08:41 < lockywolf> I see
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08:44 < IcePic> skdjs: it should be
08:45 < lockywolf> what is the difference between "mbox virtual" and "relay domain"?
08:45 < lockywolf> in opensmtpd
08:46 < lockywolf> I am trying to run opensmtpd and postfix side-by-side, and deliver all mail to my gmail account.
08:46 < lockywolf> opensmtpd succeeds, postfix fails with DMARC error from google
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08:47 < IcePic> my guess is that relay domain would be a domain for which you accept and forward emails, mbox virtual would be where you accept emails for non-accounts based on some database or table that goes "when mail comes for not-real-user@some-domain, send to realuser@another-domain
08:48 < lockywolf> right, I see
08:48 < lockywolf> different TO field
08:48 < lockywolf> how can I disable tls on delivery in opensmtpd?
08:50 < IcePic> the "host relay-url" option seems to have a smtp+notls option
08:50 < lockywolf> that seems to be for relay, but let me try
08:53 < IcePic> you might have to set up a rule that matches on a destination, and if it matches use an action which in turn says "send/relay via this host+notls .."
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09:03 < skdjs> my mirror haven't been updated yet
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09:11 < pirouel66> Hello
09:12 < renaud> skdjs: which mirror are you using?
09:13 < pirouel66> I just migrated to 7.6 and I would like to use dhcp6leased. I can't figure out what to put in /etc/dhcp6leased.conf. Can someone help me please? Thx !
09:14 < skdjs> yandex
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09:18 < renaud> maybe try to use one of the CDN ones
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09:39 < tobiasu> Another uneventful release, just how i like it
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10:09 < pirouel66> nobody can help me ? :(
10:17 < lockywolf> pirouel66: not that many people have updated perhaps
10:17 < lockywolf> where does smtpctl tracing go? maillog?
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10:21 < sibiria> have you tried:  request prefix delegation on <if name> for { <if name> }
10:22 < sibiria> and maybe also your LAN interfaces in that list if you want to split the prefix
10:24 < lockywolf> ah sh*t, trying to debug dmarc rejection on postfix, I ended up with mail being rejected on opensmtpd too
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10:33 < pirouel66> sibiria yes, we agree that dhcp6leased is supposed to give me a GUA IP? (eg: 2a0...)
10:34 < sibiria> i guess that entirely depends on the dhcp server on the other end responding to your solitications
10:36 < betabug> hi! my new thinkpad X13 sees the usb stick with the 7.6 install image, but does not want to boot from it ... do I need to set something in the bios settings?
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10:42 < betabug> oh, got it working
10:42 < sibiria> with the help of violence?
10:42 < betabug> disabled secureboot
10:49 < betabug> almost
10:50 < betabug> does the auto layout thing not use the whole disk?
10:50 < betabug> it's been too long since I did this thing
10:50 < sibiria> it uses the whole openbsd partition
10:50 < sibiria> which may or may not cover the entire disk. that's up to you
10:51 < betabug> should be the entire disk
10:51 < betabug> but this is a 2T disk and it gives me only 300 gigs for /home
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10:51 < sibiria> i always advise people to avoid the auto-layout, because it can go wrong in so many ways
10:52 < IcePic> the fdisk part sets the "percent of the disk" limits where the default is to use the whole of course, then the disklabel afterwards is the one with the auto-layout which splits into partitions and so on, inside the fdisk section you made in the first step
10:52 < sibiria> aka OpenBSD is friendly and lives entirely inside its own partition without spilling everywhere else like Windows and sometimes even Linux 
10:53 < sibiria> you should just edit the auto-layout to be what you need it to be
10:53 < betabug> yeah, editing the auto layout, I managed to give /home the remaining free space
10:54 < IcePic> sibiria: or, openbsd works around silly x86 platform limitations for fdisk partitions
10:55 < betabug> it seems it kinda said "whoever would want a /home bigger than 300g?"
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10:56 < IcePic> when I end up with crazy large /home partitions on obsd, if I missed a partition at creation, like /usr/local (which will grow a lot if you do large number of packages), then moving it to /home/local and placing a softlink in usr pointing to it works fine too
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10:58 < betabug> it gave 20g for /usr/local ... I guess that should do for a while
10:59 < sibiria> make sure /usr got more than 2g
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11:00 < sibiria> 2g used to be enough, but 7.6 sysupgrade appears to have grown a bit
11:00 < betabug> woohoo it booted :-D
11:01 < betabug> next step will be to move all my shit over ... but I'll have to look at that later
11:01 < tetraodon> yesterday I upgraded three vms and the erlite router, it went flawlessly as always since 5.7 where I started to use OpenBSD wherever possible
11:02 < tetraodon> thank you!
11:02 < betabug>  /usr is 29Gig for some reason
11:02 < betabug>  /usr/X11 is a bit small, I hope the auto is right there
11:03 < betabug> hahaha, /home is 1.7T, time to collect more digital crap in life
11:04 < sibiria> usr-x11r6 is about 300m. you don't necessarily need it to live on its own file system. but if you do, 350-400m is enough
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11:04 < betabug> yeah, it's about 1g so should be ok for a while
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11:23 < IcePic> tetraodon: no, thank you for running octeons! =)
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12:12 < klsrqm> hello from 7.6 :))
12:13 < klsrqm> my first ever sysupdate, and it went very very smoothly
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12:23 < IcePic> almost boringly simple
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12:24 < klsrqm> honestly, i find OpenBSD so much less of a hassle than any Linux distro I used before
12:24 < klsrqm> Upgrading those was always a nightmare
12:25 < klsrqm> heck, I am still a version behind with my Fedora server (BUT DON'T TELL ANYONE) because ... upgrading sucks
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12:30 < oldlaptop> debian isn't so bad, I don't think (although they absolutely miss out on one of openbsd's tricks - every debian release is a "big deal" because they're on such a long cycle)
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12:32 < skdjs> unfortunately openbsd has the same braindead packet manager like all the others bsds
12:32 < IcePic> I think older netbsd fell into that trap, having some idea of "we release when all subsystems and all arches have all the new features and all bugs fixed", which meant that things would have to stop for very long times waiting for next release, then after release, tons of crazy code gets in, lots of bugs, then next cycle gets super long again
12:34 < oldlaptop> I assume it's a mistake to engage, but: openbsd's pkg_foo are a completely different implementation from anyone else's (to the extent the others use commands named pkg_foo anymore)
12:34 < klsrqm> skdjs: i try to view it as ... "uncomplicated" ;)
12:38 < Zeroctober> NetBSD's "pkgin" has a pretty nice CLI I think
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12:39 < Zeroctober> pkg_foo isn't too bad, but it suffers from the same problem as pacman: I always have to check the manual if I'm not doing one of 3 basic commands
12:40 < oldlaptop> Zeroctober: I'm not sure that's a solvable problem :P
12:40 < IcePic> pkg_delete -a is the inverse, it sounds scary as if it will destroy it all but it just cleans out unused crap
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12:41 < Zeroctober> oldlaptop: well, I don't feel that way with "subcommand" type package managers because the subcommands have memorable names
12:41 < oldlaptop> memnonic 'long options' or 'subcommands' only get you to "was that 'delete' or 'remove'?" :P
12:41 < Zeroctober> good ones have aliases :)
12:41 < IcePic> $someone could make a huge effort and make all the obsd <something>ctl have either "show" or "status" or both as subcommands. It's quite mixed by now
12:43 < Zeroctober> oldlaptop: the other nice thing about subcommands is even if I do have to go to the manual, I can find what I need more quickly by scanning the names of the subcommands as opposed to arcane option flags where I need to read the description of each one until I find the one I want
12:44 < Zeroctober> yes I know I can search the manual for text but oftentimes the manual's author chose different words than I would use for the concept I want :)
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12:45 < Zeroctober> it's not a huge deal, but I see it as a potential area of improvement
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13:27 < serxoz> Hi! I have just updated to 7.6 and I have email in this machine. In smtpd.conf 'table credentials passwd:/etc/mail/credentials' with this content: 'sergio@tr4ck.net:$2b$09$qXF9AK/XqJjcBO63YMZLlegIf6kApO5vcnpG:2000:2000:Sergio:/var/vmail/tr4ck.net/sergio::userdb_mail=maildir:/var/vmail/tr4ck.net/sergio'  and I'm getting this error on 'smtpd -dv': 'credentials[25594]: warn: table-api: imsg_get:
13:27 < serxoz> Result too large'. Do someone knows how I can resolve this... workaround was define table as file on smtpd.conf but that way I need a creds file for smtpd and one for dovecot
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15:31 < miah> happy 7.6 day!
15:39 < mavez> woooooo!
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15:46 < mavez> I miss the old tshirt designs, with indiana puffy and james bond etc...
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16:01 < mg> the poster is sooo good, kudos to whomever designed it
16:02 < miah> i like the poster as well
16:04 < systemdsucks> lovely puffys
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16:07 < RobbieAB> Oooh, update time! :D
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16:56 < jb1277976> hi all.. was here about 3 or so weeks ago or earlier.. i want to try openbsd again but it dosen't recgnozize my hard drive.. anything i can do to fix that or am i just SOL ?
16:57 < jb1277976> it recgonizes sd0 which is the usb its installing to
16:57 < oldlaptop> jb1277976: unless someone happens to remember a bunch of details from three weeks ago, you'll need to give more details than that
16:57 < Bradipo> What's so special about your hard drive that OpenBSD cannot recognize it?
16:58 < oldlaptop> With absolutely no context, the best wild guess I have for you is that you might want to look around in the machine's firmare ("BIOS") menu for settings about "RAID mode".
16:58 < oldlaptop> (If one exists, the setting you want is going to be something about "AHCI".)
16:58 < Zeroctober> or it's old hardware and you should be looking for "wd" devices instead of "sd"
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16:59 < oldlaptop> that's been a loooooong time :)
16:59 < Zeroctober> :)
16:59 < jb1277976> Ok i have a chroembook with coreboot on it it uses uefi and i can installa any distro and i'm currently using freeebsd right now .. the only thing that dosent work is sound.. i boot openbsd from the installer and when i get to the hard drive part it onlly recognizes sd0 the usb that has the installer on it.. i installed openbsd the other day to another usb and that worked but it still didn't recongize 
16:59 < jb1277976> the hard drive
16:59  * oldlaptop does have a pre-AHCI SATA machine laying around - s939
17:00 < oldlaptop> A "chromebook with coreboot on it" could be an awful lot of things, possibly with eMMC storage or something that is less likely to work.
17:00 < jb1277976> aw ok its emmc then ?
17:00 < oldlaptop> I have absolutely no clue.
17:00 < Zeroctober> we don't know. it's your computer
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17:01 < jb1277976> well yea its emmc but i'm thinking that could be the reason also.. when i boot openbsd it says not configured i think
17:02 < oldlaptop> If you can paste a dmesg (even from bsd.rd) somewhere, that would be a lot of the "details" you would need to give us.
17:02 < oldlaptop> (that would include this "not configured" message)
17:02 < jb1277976> would i need to boot openbsd/ drop to a shell run dmesg then cp it to the usb ?
17:02 < Zeroctober> yeah. could just be a generic kernel issue that could be solved with a different kernel config
17:03 < oldlaptop> Something like that, yes. [S] at the installer boot prompt would do it.
17:03 < jb1277976> ok.. let me go put openbsd on a usb.. brb
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17:06 < Filystyn> guys 7.6 is out
17:06 < Filystyn> ?
17:06 < oldlaptop> It is.
17:06 < Zeroctober> correct
17:06 < oldlaptop> Join the rowing team today?
17:06 < Filystyn> Hmmm a bit eraly
17:06 < Filystyn> ahhh I need to do kernel fix after install tsss
17:07 < Filystyn> not sure I want to update xD
17:07 < oldlaptop> Yes. Really early, the announcement went out yesterday in North America time.
17:07 < Filystyn> hould have make patch for future but ofc though i have half year
17:07 < Filystyn> should have mader *
17:08 < Filystyn> Im updating xD
17:08 < Filystyn> I thought I will sit with you guys a while on irc today
17:08 < Filystyn> but it seems work needs to be done!
17:08 < Filystyn> goodnigt!
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17:18 < byteskeptical> morning
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17:31 < jb1277976> i have sd0 and sd1 sysctl hw.disknames shoes both but sd0 isnwhere inwant to cooy dmesg to when i run disklabel sd0 it says disklabel: /dev/rsd0: no such file or directory
17:31 < jb1277976> sorry on a phone
17:31 < IcePic> jb1277976: is this on the installer ramdisk image?
17:32 < zwr> `cd /dev; sh MAKEDEV sd0 sd1`
17:32 < Zeroctober> ^
17:32 < jb1277976> ok
17:32 < IcePic> if so, then breaking out to a shell with ! on a prompt and running what zwr write will help
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17:34 < jb1277976> omg its ntfs.. let me look for another usb
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17:34 < Zeroctober> o_O
17:36 < jb1277976> i need to mount sd0i right ?
17:36 < Zeroctober> to do what?
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17:37 < jb1277976> copy dmesg to the usb so you guys csn help me figure why the installer isnt recognizing my emmc hard drive
17:37 < Zeroctober> oooh right
17:37 < Zeroctober> sd0i sounds right
17:38 < Zeroctober> well, if the target drive is sd0
17:39 < jb1277976> can i copy dmesg to the usb that has the installer? i see a c i psrtitions
17:40 < sibiria> yes. it's the ESP. it should have a few kilobytes of free space
17:40 < jb1277976> c or i ?
17:40 < sibiria> i
17:40 < jb1277976> ok
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17:41 < jb1277976> rebooting
17:42 < IcePic> on openbsd, the c partition is a .. "virtual" one covering the whole device. Should not be used to write/mount/newfs most of the time
17:42 < IcePic> so its always going to be there, even if there are not actual partitions on the device
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17:48 < jb1277976> ok i copied dmesg to the i partition rebooted to freebsd mounted snd i dont see dmesg
17:48 < sibiria> you have to mount it as "msdos" and copy the file to the mount path
17:49 < jb1277976> let me try again probably user error
17:49 < jb1277976> ok
17:49 < sibiria> you probably over-wrote the device node file
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18:12 < betabug> so my new thinkpad X13 doesn't properly suspend and definitely doesn't come back from this false suspend state
18:13 < betabug> I wonder if it's this issue mentioned in https://jcs.org/2021/01/27/x1nano about the S3 suspend mode
18:13 < betabug> in which case I would probably have to update the firmware
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18:34 < jb1277976> https://0x0.st/XEkp.txt
18:34 < jb1277976> finally
18:34 < jb1277976> i will be AFK but pelase tell me what i need to do to get this hdd up and running with freebsd
18:34 < jb1277976> s/freebsd/openbsd/
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18:48 < Zeroctober> jb1277976: so your eMMC device is sdhc1 and the drive is found as sdmmc1, but later I see: sdmmc1: can't enable card
18:48 < Zeroctober> I'm not sure what exactly that means, but it looks like the culprit
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18:49 < pardis> it means it fails trying to power up/initialise the "card" (since sdmmc(4) is a driver for memory cards, and the eMMC device appears to be presenting as a card reader)
18:50 < pardis> if you want more useful information you will need to compile a kernel with option SDMMC_DEBUG
18:51 < Posterdati> hi
18:51 < Posterdati> please I need help on programming gpio, i2c and spi for Raspberry PI 3 with OpenBSD, thanks!
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18:55 < jb1277976> So no openbsd ?
18:55 < Posterdati> ?
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18:56 < Filystyn> haha guys
18:56 < Filystyn> audio bug got fixed
18:56 < Filystyn> as the change log says
18:56 < Filystyn> and tested in wild now
18:56 < Filystyn> No need to add hacky kernel fix
18:57 < Filystyn> obsd ftw best system ever ;-)
18:57 < Zeroctober> jb1277976: maybe, maybe not. you'd need to build a kernel with that option enabled to get more info to find out why it's failing. otherwise no, it doesn't look like your eMMC will work
18:57 < tux0r> depends on your use case
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19:00 < Zeroctober> jb1277976: I see you have what looks to be a built in SD card reader that might work.
19:01 < Zeroctober> it would be slower (and take up your card slot) but it would work if you really wanted to
19:01 < jb1277976> yea its a dongle its external
19:01 < Zeroctober> hmm
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19:06 < dennis> I just upgraded to 7.6, and suddenly I only have one cpu core. I had 16 on 7.5. It's an Intel E5-2683 v4. Is there some new mitigation which disables a lot of cores or something?
19:07 < Zeroctober> o_O sounds like you got downgraded to sp kernel for some reason
19:07 < Posterdati> did you check sysctl?
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19:07 < Zeroctober> do ls / and see if you see bsd.sp or bsd.mp in there.
19:07 < Zeroctober> if you see bsd.mp then you're probably running in sp mode
19:08 < Posterdati> sysctl hw.ncpu
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19:10 < dennis> Hum. I have both bsd.mp and bsd.sp in /. bsd.mp has mode 644 and bsd.sp has mode 700.
19:10 < Zeroctober> o_O
19:11 < dennis> sysctl hw.ncpu says 1. hw.ncpufound is 32 and hw.ncpuonline is 1
19:11 < Posterdati> sysctl hw.smt
19:11 < Posterdati> ?
19:11 < Zeroctober> what are the modify dates on bsd.mp and bsd.sp? which is more recent?
19:11 < dennis> hw.smt=0
19:12 < Posterdati> change it to 1
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19:12 < dennis> Zeroctober: bsd.mp is from tonight, and bsd.sp is from april! /bsd and /bsd.booted is also from tonight
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19:13 < Posterdati> try to change hw.smt to 1 in /etc/sysctl.conf
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19:14 < Zeroctober> dennis: yeah sounds like you booted the sp kernel. try booting bsd.mp from the prompt just to make sure it's not broken. if it works, you can mv /bsd /bsd.sp && mv /bsd.mp /bsd
19:16 < dennis> seems like that's the case, yea. I'll try that, and enabling threading if not. thanks :)
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19:44 < Ltning> Is there any way to tell OpenBSD to not enable any of the spectre/meltdown/whatnot mitigations? I'm on a PPro and I suspect always-on mitigations are killing performance on this ol' thing..
19:45 < Zeroctober> I suspect there may be kernel config options for that
19:45 < brynet> nope
19:45 < Zeroctober> fair enough
19:46 < brynet> You would have to neuter checks in cpuid feature detection..
19:46 < Ltning> Not even build-time options?
19:46 < phy1729> If you want knobs to turn off security features, you're probably using the wrong OS.
19:46 < brynet> Ltning: nope
19:46 < Ltning> brynet: Yea I was told that might be the case, so not entirely surprised
19:46 < Zeroctober> for what it's worth, I lean toward NetBSD for old hardware
19:47 < Ltning> phy1729: Turn off security features that do absolutely nothing on my hardware? I don't think that's entirely unreasonable to wish for.
19:47 < Ltning> That said, I totally get how embedded those probably are and also purposefully hard/impossible to disable
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19:48 < Ltning> Zeroctober: Yea, netbsd does "feel" snappier on ~same harwdare, but since I have two of these beasts, I want to keep running both :)
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19:49 < Zeroctober> how much memory?
19:49 < Ltning> 256 on the netbsd box, 384 on this one
19:49 < Zeroctober> if you're not dead set on unix, I think that's barely enough to run Haiku :)
19:50 < sibiria> doesn't disabling HT on its own solve all or most of the spectre/meltdown vulnerabilities?
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19:51 < Ltning> Dual CPU; 200MHz on the netbsd box, 266 on this one (that weird PII-in-PPro-socket thing)
19:51 < Ltning> sibiria: No HT on any of these :)
19:51 < brynet> sibiria: On a Pentium Pro?
19:51 < brynet> lol
19:51 < Zeroctober> I think sibiria is asking a different question
19:51 < sibiria> brynet: on a CPU *with* HT and subject to those vulnerabilities, obviously
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19:51 < Ltning> Zeroctober: Yea I did realise recently that is theoretically possible.. but I have no way to get this thing to boot from USB, and the CD-ROM drive has loose, rattling parts inside..
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19:52 < Zeroctober> sounds like it's time for a new cd-rom drive :)
19:52 < Ltning> Not all the vulns are HT-dependent afaik
19:52 < brynet> I mean, most mitigations are guarded by feature detection, the most expensive one on this hardware might be for Meltdown, the PTI (Page table isolation).
19:52 < Zeroctober> or maybe you could find an old PCI USB card
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19:53 < Ltning> Zeroctober: That won't make it bootable unless it has a BIOS, and I'm not aware of any that have that. But I do have a couple of options, it just involves...work. The case it's built in isn't friendly to work with, only pretty to look at.
19:53 < Zeroctober> ooh yeah the bios
19:54 < Ltning> brynet: Yeah, that would be my suspicion. So *theoretically* patching the kernel to actually detect the CPU as non-affected might do, but I wouldn't have a clue where to start with that.
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19:54 < dnns> Zeroctober: booting bsd.mp worked 
19:55 < dnns> thanks a bunch :)
19:55 < Zeroctober> dnns: yay!
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19:55 < brynet> The plop bootloader makes booting from USB possible on systems that don't natively support it.
19:55 < Zeroctober> no idea why it didn't install that properly but glad it works
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19:55 < Zeroctober> brynet: ooh that sounds useful
19:56 < Ltning> Yeah plop is possible, but it doesn't work at all on my other ppro. Didn't test on this one. Different chipset and bios, so might work.
19:56 < Zeroctober> aw man, proprietary :(
19:56 < dennis> Yea, that was weird. The mode on bsd.mp was weird as well. I'm guessing I fat-fingered something at some point, and the installer used bsd.sp because of it
19:56 < Ltning> PC hardware was, is, and seems to remain awful. :)
19:57 < Zeroctober> Ltning: unrelated, but I'm running openbsd on a Sun Ultra 2 with dual 300 MHz CPUs and 768 MB of RAM :D
19:59 < Ltning> That is very very nice. Sounds positively snappy! Also, no mitigations! What kind of gfx you got in there? I'm cheating a bit with a PCI ATI card that has DRM driver support..
20:00 < Ltning> I have a couple of Niagara CPU pizzaboxes here, but none of our BSDs support them, it seems :(
20:00 < Zeroctober> It's got a Creative3D card but I couldn't get X to start properly in openbsd 6.x when I last tried, so it's running headless as a semi-public unix for my friends who like old stuff :)
20:01 < Ltning> Also an Ultra10 with a dead clock battery (but I have new RTCs in a drawer here, just lacking time)
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20:01 < Ltning> It already has openbsd installed though, just needs some TLC
20:01 < brynet> I need to dig ou my blade 1000 again.. https://brynet.ca/pub/dmesg-blade1k.txt
20:01 < brynet> out*
20:01 < Ltning> And an Indigo2 .. but until someone ports the Irix GUI to something else, that one won't run anything else.
20:03 < Ltning> Anyone got a Tahoe hiding in an attic somewhere? That would be fun to play with ;)
20:03 < Zeroctober> a Chevrolet Tahoe in the attic?
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20:05 < Zeroctober> I don't have any SGI computers but I do have a huge SGI monitor looking dejected in the corner
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20:06 < Ltning> Dunno if the Chevrolet will run BSD, but the CCI will. If you can find one.
20:07 < Ltning> sysupgrade was fast on this thing, but pkg_add -u is on its 3rd hour now
20:07 < Zeroctober> ooooof
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20:09 < Ltning> I used to be super impatient when working with this hardware 25 years ago. Now I cherish the opportunity to fetch coffee/beer, read up on stuff, pester people on IRC etc. while waiting.
20:09 < Zeroctober> :)
20:10 < Zeroctober> yeah I also remember being impatient back in the day. I don't know that I cherish the waiting now but it does bring some joy to see the old processors doing their best.
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20:10 < Zeroctober> and when I return to modern processors I feel like I'm cheating :)
20:11 < Ltning> ^- this
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20:12 < Ltning> I'm running a httpd on a 286. On the one hand it's impressive, but then again, someone's running linux on a 4040 so .. of course a httpd will run on a 286.
20:12 < Ltning> Sorry 4004
20:12 < Zeroctober> lawl
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20:13 < Zeroctober> my ultra 2 is running a gemini server and it takes a good few seconds just for the TLS handshake
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20:13 < Ltning> Don't you have an FPU or SIMD unit? I don't remember the specs of those CPUs.. I have nginx on this ppro and it's not *that* slow at handshaking..
20:13 < sibiria> i have an old abit bf6 mobo equipped with a passively cooled p3-600 and 768 mb of ram. it would be interesting to see it chug along on openbsd, but probably also a bit painful
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20:14 < sibiria> (it did run openbsd for years, back in the early 2000s)
20:14 < Ltning> Eh, a p3-600 should cruise along just fine
20:14 < Zeroctober> Ltning: maybe we should talk about that some time.
20:15 < Ltning> Forget running any kind of brower/javascript, but everything else should be positively snappy. Also because memory bandwidth and such will be several times that of this machine.
20:16 < miah> just dont try to run the Java Hotspot web browser :P
20:16 < Zeroctober> most things are snappy
20:16 < Zeroctober> crypto chugs a bit though
20:16 < miah> (it was slow even when it was released in the '90s)
20:16 < sibiria> it's certainly snappy when idling with sshd, smtpd and apache2 in the background
20:16 < Zeroctober> generating the certificates was a nice long wait
20:17 < sibiria> or diffie-hellman parameters of useful size
20:17 < miah> a friend and i install netbsd on a apple llc decades ago and we tried to ssh and realized it would never work.. but we did get irc working
20:18 < miah> ssl requirement in gemini is possibly a bad requirement; or we need something else like gemini for 'retroweb'; i suppose we could just run gopher proper
20:18 < Zeroctober> errr Apple IIc??? are you sure you don't mean Mac IIc or something?
20:18 < miah> maybe
20:18 < Zeroctober> Apple IIc is an 8-bit computer :)
20:18 < miah> im pulling this memory out from like 23 years ago and i was never an apple computer person
20:18 < Ltning> This one runs x11 at 1600x1200x32bit (drm), windowmaker, urxvt, hexchat, etc. etc. Netsurf (browser) will run with javascript disabled (illegal instruction if I enable it), and I run a browser on another machine with remote X.
20:18 < Ltning> The slowest part is that remote X stuff. It's horribly inefficient.
20:19 < miah> maybe a lciii? its all the same to me
20:19 < miah> walled garden pizza boxes
20:19 < Zeroctober> that sounds more like it
20:19 < thrig> gopher, spartan, and various other protocols exist
20:19 < Ltning> Not all the same to the kernel. But still, very cool.
20:20 < Zeroctober> I'm not really a mac guy either, but I know the apple IIc doesn't have enough RAM to even think about booting netbsd
20:20 < Ltning> What's a good gopher client nowadays? I only use gopher from OS/2 ..
20:20 < Zeroctober> Ltning: I use Lagrange for gemini which also supports gopher
20:20 < miah> i have a laptop i want to put a bsd on, its a 386. zenith supersport sx
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20:20 < Zeroctober> miah: that sounds fun
20:20 < miah> i think i'll have to run a archival version, like netbsd 1.0 or something
20:21 < Zeroctober> maybe
20:21 < Ltning> miah: Won't work, unless you go for a really old BSD. 386 support was dropped everywhere 10-15+ years ago. Something about missing instructions for some atomic operations.
20:21 < miah> ya
20:21 < Zeroctober> I run NetBSD 10.0 on a Pentium 150 with 80MB of RAM
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20:21 < miah> nothing 'modern' will support it, but some old stuff will
20:21 < miah> i technically have xenix on floppy so i could maybe do that
20:21 < Ltning> Zeroctober: Lagrange I think doesn't work, at least without building it from source. I believe it requires some fancy SSE instructions.
20:22 < miah> but who wants to run sco products (not even i did in the 90s when i sold sco products)
20:22 < Zeroctober> ooh you mean for the ppro
20:22 < Zeroctober> lynx can do gopher
20:22 < Ltning> miah: If you get a working xenix install, do make an image of the HDD. I've been struggling for a while with that.
20:22 < miah> i have a floppy set here on 3.5's
20:22 < miah> unsure if they are still readable or not
20:23 < Ltning> I have SCO Unix + Banyan Vines on floppies (unix on 3.5", vines on 5.25"). Haven't tested them yet, only recently stumbled across them.
20:23 < miah> nice, i used to have a banyan parallel unlock _everything_ key that a BV admin gave to me
20:23 < miah> lost it along the way
20:23 < miah> never ran banyan myself, was more into netware
20:24 < Ltning> I have the universal unix root password that every Vines install on the planet shared until v4.11 or something thereabouts.
20:24 < Zeroctober> :|
20:25 < Ltning> I broke a Vines server once by attempting to change it. Turns out it was hardcoded in any number of places.
20:25 < miah> oops
20:25 < Ltning> (the world *has* progressed)
20:25 < Zeroctober> I know the hack to read the contents of the unencrypted passwd file on many old unixes
20:25 < miah> lp/lp usually works on old *nix
20:25 < miah> better lock it down, install SATAN
20:26 < Ltning> miah: One of my OS/2 machines runs Netware 4.2 for OS/2. Paravirtualisation from 1994.
20:26 < miah> oh thats cool
20:26 < miah> i used to run my bbs on OS/2 3.0 (warp)
20:26 < Ltning> Serving all my dos and os/2 machines.
20:26 < Ltning> Telnet floppy.museum. Runs on a warp3. :)
20:26 < miah> very cool!
20:27 < Ltning> (With the BBS files served from the netware box, a 486dx50)
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20:28 < Ltning> (Actually you want syncterm or something, telnet doesn't like old ansi)
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20:29 < Ltning> Fun fact: syncterm won't run on my ppro. Also coredumps with Illegal instruction.
20:29 < Zeroctober> yeah I've noticed that with a few things on my p150
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20:35 < oldlaptop> Not too many people testing with actual i686es anymore, I guess.
20:35 < Bradipo> I would, but things went unsupported.
20:35 < oldlaptop> Maybe fewer than test with actual i586es.
20:36 < oldlaptop> (which I don't remember being quite the same level of "wow that's expensive" as ppros)
20:36 < AlaskanEmily> Oldest thing I test on is a Pentium III. I've never even used an Intel CPU older than that tbh
20:37  * oldlaptop has a 386... I think sx laptop laying around somewhere here that still works
20:38 < Zeroctober> oldlaptop: hence the nick? ;)
20:38 < oldlaptop> don't think I have any working 486/586 thinkpads anymore :( fantastic keyboards on those things
20:38 < AlaskanEmily> Also it was hell trying to get 3DNow! testing working a couple months ago for a project lol
20:38 < oldlaptop> AlaskanEmily: Rather questionable trying to use that now that even AMD's formally given up
20:39 < oldlaptop> (some of the CPUs claimed not to support it anymore seem to actually still respond to the instructions, IIRC, but you have to wonder about that)
20:39 < Zeroctober> my thinkpad 365XD is losing its mind a bit. I love the keyboard on that one.
20:39 < oldlaptop> :(
20:39 < Zeroctober> I have a 380D in good shape but the keyboard is not the same
20:40 < oldlaptop> the 755 series and relatives are IMO the best
20:40 < AlaskanEmily> I went on the warpath to find the highest throughput 4x4 matrix transformation code. Mixing x87 and either SSE4.1 or AVX on AMD and Intel, respectively was faster than just SSE/AVX alone. I got curious about if I used 3DNow! and SSE2.
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20:40 < oldlaptop> although... 300-series wouldn't have the corny tilty-thing, would they? a 760-series keyboard without that would still be pretty darn good
20:41 < oldlaptop> (don't think I ever had any of those)
20:41 < Zeroctober> tilty thing?
20:42 < oldlaptop> 760-series thinkpads have a (rather silly, IMO) mechanism to raise the back of the keyboard about a half an inch when the lid's opened and lower it back down when the lid's closed
20:42 < oldlaptop> they're not quite rigid or heavy enough for that to really feel right
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20:43 < Zeroctober> oh dear
20:43 < Zeroctober> no, it doesn't have that
20:43 < oldlaptop> I don't mean to say they're *bad* - but that's enough to detract from the sublime perfection of their immediate predecessors :P
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20:50 < klsrqm> ah well. i tried setting the new "lidaction" parameters in sysctl but my laptop (MacbookAir 6,1) which, according to some digging, supports "acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5" is still bugging out when i close the lid
20:52 < jrmu-> hm did luxembourg just go down again?
20:52 < jrmu-> oops wrong window, sorry
20:52 < Posterdati> yes it did
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20:59 < deimosBSD> do people have a favorite static image gallery generator that works with openbsd?  bonus if it's not python based
21:00 < deimosBSD> i started writing a script in shell with imagemagick, but they realized people probably have better choices
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21:01 < Bradipo> Haha, the project that gets reinvented all the time.
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21:02 < deimosBSD> indeed, this would be my 4th iteration of doing this in shell
21:02 < deimosBSD> maybe i'll just revert to `tree` and its html output
21:03 < deimosBSD> force a new generation to learn to use their browser back button
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