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02:31 < jb1277976> i installed openbsd ans noe i nees ro xompile a new kernel with cusrom settings.. anyone remember ehat i said earlier wirh my dmesg
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05:13 < jb1277976> are there older versions of openbsd other thrn 7.3 ?
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05:16 < thrig> several, all unsupported
05:17 < jb1277976> dam
05:18 < jb1277976> i read somewhere that somebody couldnt get openbsd installed on emmc but thry booted a 6.3 miniroot and it wad recognized
05:19 < jb1277976> https://misc.openbsd.narkive.com/PD524cqr/gl-inet-brume-gl-mv1000-sdcard-works-with-6-8-but-not-current
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05:20 < jb1277976> https://misc.openbsd.narkive.com/PD524cqr/gl-inet-brume-gl-mv1000-sdcard-works-with-6-8-but-not-current
05:20 < jb1277976> oops
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05:22 < jb1277976> sorry guys
05:23 < jb1277976> network lagging
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09:18 < jb1277976> here is the new dmesg with option SDDMC_DEBUG enabled in custom kernel https://0x0.st/XE76.txt
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09:44 < mischief> jb1277976: you might have better feedback if you write to the bugs mailing list
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11:05 < IcePic> deimosBSD: You could perhaps tweak a static-site-generator like hugo (in golang) to become a picture gallery generator?
11:10 < klsrqm> If I give a VM more ram in `vmd`, will it ALWAYS use up the amount allocated, or is RAM usage dynamic?
11:10 < klsrqm> I tried downloading more RAM for the VM but it didn't work ;)
11:15 < sibiria> RAM Doublerer and Download Speeder-Upperer For Windows(r) - Download now at tucows.ru
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11:16 < renaud> Is there a discord client for OpenBSD?
11:16 < sibiria> i'd be surprised if that monster compiled on openbsd
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11:17 < sibiria> the windows version uses a lot of windows-specific stuff; the linux version uses a lot of linux-specific stuff
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11:32 < pardis> renaud: bitlbee
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11:43 < renaud> pardis: good idea, I will have a look
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12:33 < remiliascarlet> renaud: No Electron on any of the BSD's. And Discord sucks.
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12:35 < renaud> remiliascarlet: I never said discord didn't suck, I am trying to help someone
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12:36 < sibiria> i don't like the implications of using discord, but i think it's an alright product from a technical perspective. the web client, that is
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12:49 < memleak> Hello, I went to reboot an openbsd system and it wanted me to run fsck so I did. There were three options, F, n and y. What is the difference between y (which is yes) and F?
12:50 < memleak> The F isn't documented anywhere..
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12:50 < memleak> I hit F hoping it meant "fix" :)
12:50 < klsrqm> the manpage has the answer: "force to assume an answer of 'yes' to all the remaining questions"
12:51 < sibiria> surprising that something invalidated after a regular reboot. did you press the reset button on the computer?
12:51 < memleak> ah, found the sentence in fsck_ffs man page
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12:52 < klsrqm> it's also at the end of the regular fsck(8) manpage
12:52 < klsrqm> last paragraph of the description :)
12:52 < memleak> I lost the root password so I had to do a hard reset and then use boot -s
12:53 < memleak> anyway, thanks everyone!
12:53 < klsrqm> most welcome :)
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13:00 < IcePic> memleak: there is a sysctl one can set so that ctrl-alt-del does a nice shutdown, it can be an idea to set it, if you intend to forget the root pw more times and still be able to recover the machine without borking up the drive
13:01 < memleak> thanks!
13:02 < renaud> ahh, ctrl-alt-del to reboot, such a bad idea because of MS
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13:03 < renaud> I remember being the only one with a linux laptop. And the person which was in charge of cleaning the desks and keyboards during lunch pause was taught to ctrl-alt-del - enter to lock the PCs before cleaning.
13:04 < IcePic> memleak: machdep.kbdreset=1             # permit console CTRL-ALT-DEL to do a nice halt
13:05 < renaud> not counting some people in the server room, which were ctrl-alt-del before checking if the KVM was on the correct server
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13:07 < IcePic> renaud: the list of things that controlled the PC from the keyboard on x86 is quite amazing
13:07 < sibiria> ctrl + alt + del was a bad idea. ctrl + amiga + amiga was better
13:07 < sibiria> bazinga.
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13:09 < betabug> I wonder if going to -current might help with this laptop that doesn't have S3 sleep state and does not properly suspend with S0ix ... it's AMD, which still seems quite far off
13:09  * klsrqm is trying to hold back shouts of AMIGAAA
13:09 < betabug> I'm not used to living on a laptop without suspend any more
13:09 < IcePic> everything was better on amiga
13:10 < betabug> and more colorful
13:10 < klsrqm> i'll give credit to Atari mind over one thing: their 2600xl was a beautiful machine
13:12 < sibiria> amiga and c64 hold special places in my heart, but all home computers are my friends
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13:12 < klsrqm> being VERY loosely connected to the Amiga demoscene was once a good enough reference for me for a prospective landlord :D
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13:13 < klsrqm> noticed their e-mail address on the contract and asked if we might knew people in common, and i ran off a few nicknames
13:13 < klsrqm> so yeah, Amiga will have a soft spot for me too :)
13:13 < IcePic> its a while since I booted it, but my amiga4000 runs openbsd 3.2
13:13 < klsrqm> that's really cool
13:14 < klsrqm> i had a 500 but to be honest i have absolutely no clue what happened to it
13:14 < betabug> I had a c64 that I don't remember where it went
13:14 < klsrqm> it did run, managed to watch a few demos and play some games
13:14 < betabug> but that's more a function of my age than of the c64
13:14 < Zeroctober> I have a C128 within arm's reach :)
13:15 < betabug> nice
13:15 < Zeroctober> so I have just one important question:
13:15 < Zeroctober> Are you keeping up with the Commodore?
13:16 < sibiria> because commodore is keeping up with YOU
13:16 < Zeroctober> :)
13:17 < klsrqm> when it comes to low-powered computers, i had a showerthought last night about hooking up some relays to a RaspberryPI and installing NetBSD on it, so I can add it all to a toaster.
13:17 < IcePic> https://www.instructables.com/IronForge-the-NetBSD-Toaster/
13:17 < klsrqm> oh no, someone made it already
13:17 < sibiria> openbsd runs on some of the RPis, too
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13:19 < klsrqm> sibiria: an OpenBSD-powered mini submarine in the shape of a pufferfish should be cool :)
13:19 < klsrqm> "when i am done with these hobby projects..."
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13:23 < memleak> one that doesn't implode when you visit the titanic
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13:25 < klsrqm> i'll be pretty happy if it goes "bzzz" in the bathtub :D
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15:42 < deimosBSD> IcePic: i looked at hugo and zola, and realized they're too complex. the current version of 'tree' has an html export option that's good enough. or i could use caddy's native image grid in directory listings, but i really want static html/css and zero javascript for shipping a tarball to remote places
15:44 < deimosBSD> acme.com had a great thumbnail generator in posix-compliant shell i've maintained since the 1990s, but it's getting archaic
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16:59 < IcePic> deimosBSD: I did not know caddy had a grid mode, sounds interesting
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17:56 < ibs> I'm on a Thinkpad T480 and OpenBSD 7.6. I can't get sound through a USB-C docked monitor with builtin dock (and the 3.5 jack). Any ideas where to start digging or if it's even possible?
17:57 < Zeroctober> Is there just not a good way to set up an IPv6 firewall in pf? I've read a few guides now and they all seem to have only the bare minimum to get IPv6 routing but have no actual protection from inbound connection attempts. On IPv4 of course everything has to pass through the NAT, so it's pretty easy to write pf rules that allow the LAN hosts to reach out and get replies, but I'm not sure how to
17:57 < Zeroctober> permit IPv6 internet replies without also permitting all traffic coming from the internet to the IPv6 LAN.
17:59 < Zeroctober> ibs: what are you doing to select the audio device? sndiod is rather simple and doesn't automagically switch default interfaces just because you plugged something in.
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18:00 < sibiria> Zeroctober: practically you don't really need to take any other measures when working with ipv6 in pf than you do with ipv4
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18:00 < sibiria> for almost everything you can use a single rule set that applies for both address families
18:01 < sibiria> the most obvious difference besides address formats would be things like icmp differences (some of which you should allow in)
18:01 < mischief> Zeroctober: block in.. pass out.. what's the problem? it's stateful.
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18:02 < Zeroctober> maybe it's the state that I'm not understanding
18:03 < Zeroctober> oh I suppose I should say... by "firewall" I mean the firewall on the router, not on some OpenBSD host inside the LAN
18:04 < Zeroctober> a local firewall makes perfect sense to me. What I don't get is how the router is going to know that a reply coming in is in fact a reply and needs to pass into the LAN versus a new connection attempt which should be blocked
18:04 < ibs> Zeroctober: yep. Using that.. but that doesn't give me the device I want unfortunately. 
18:04 < Zeroctober> ibs: how do you mean?
18:05 < Zeroctober> it's been a little while since I did anything with sound on openbsd but I have some vague memory that you need to run a command to explicitly change the active interface
18:06 < ibs> Zeroctober: I got uaudio1 which is stuff hooked to my monitor. However, I'm missing the headphones output on the monitor as a choice.
18:06 < Zeroctober> ooooh
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18:07  * ibs smiles
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18:13 < Zeroctober> hmm, in your dmesg log, is there only one "audio" related to "uaudio1"?
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18:25 < IcePic> Zeroctober: to be slightly more blunt than sibiria, to get equivalent protection on ipv6 as nat on v4 gives you, you need "block in inet6 on $exit_if" and that's it.
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18:29 < IcePic> exit => ext
18:29 < Zeroctober> that seems to simple to work :)
18:29 < Zeroctober> too*
18:31 < sibiria> if you don't specify an address family, the rule matches for both ipv4 and ipv6 - with the somewhat sneaky caveat that if something later on in the rule is ipv4-specific, the ipv6 "copy" of the rule will be omitted
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18:31 < Zeroctober> right
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18:32 < sibiria> block drop in quick on $ext <- all bases covered
18:32 < ibs> Zeroctober: no.. https://clbin.com/AsEns
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18:33 < Zeroctober> I don't even see a speaker in that log
18:34 < ibs> That's kind of the issue. :-)
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18:34 < Zeroctober> not a good sign
18:34 < ibs> Nope.
18:35 < Zeroctober> I too have a T480 and did run openbsd on it for a time, but I never messed with USB audio devices on it
18:42 < Zeroctober> reading about what it would take was one of the things that made me reconsider openbsd for its purpose
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18:42 < ibs> Not the end of the world though. I could move the cable to the laptop when I'm off-duty. And patch it to the monitor when I'm working (with my other computer). But it would be a slight life-impovement to get it working. 
18:42 < ibs> I might return to FreeBSD, just to see why that works, to give me clues. 
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18:42 < morpho> i found openbsd hardware support to be better
18:42 < morpho> SD card reader + wifi on a thinkpad x230
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19:37  * sonya finally upgraded to 7.6.. at first glance - suspend and standby (zzz && apm -S) are seems to be broken, comparing with 7.5.. unable to wake up, only hard reset helps so far (with fsck on boot).. any ideas where to look or what could be tweaked are welcome..
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19:42 < thrig> it's a work in progress?
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19:51 < Filystyn> openbsd will soon skip one version with those month earlier releases
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19:52 < Filystyn> I follow reddit chan and saw 7.6 and thought it's some kind of mistake or snapshot bs
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19:52 < Filystyn> life on obsd is good
19:53 < ssm_> vaapi for all!
19:54 < Filystyn> pkg_add is insane
19:54 < Filystyn> guys
19:54 < Filystyn> i remember how slow the check was 
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20:08 < dfdx> I finally was able to solve a problem that has bugged me for years. When I 'su' to root, I want (1) to . /root/.profile AND (2) to preserve the current working directory.
20:08 < dfdx> su -l did hte first but not the second, su and su -m did the second but not the first.
20:09 < dfdx> I finally put this in my user's .bashrc: alias su='su -l root -c "cd $(pwd); exec $SHELL"'
20:10 < sibiria> now you can never "su" in any other way unless you specify the full path
20:10 < sibiria> better to alias that as for example "suroot" :)
20:10 < thrig> \su
20:11 < thrig> ... but yes not breaking a command interface might be handy
20:12 < dfdx> if it becomes annoying enough, then i'll change it to su2 or suroot. I rarely (never?) use su in any other way.
20:12 < dfdx> when I need to run something as another user I use doas.
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20:13 < dfdx> or I'll just use \su, as thrig mentioned :)
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20:27 < chakuari> hi again
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20:28 < platao> chakuari, hello
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20:30 < sibiria> backslashing the executable name is a handy trick, i had forgotten that worked
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20:30 < dfdx> nevermind.. that alias doesn't seem to be working :| it's still using my user's *current* .profile and .bashrc settings, not root's. 
20:30  * dfdx sighs
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20:33 < dfdx> if one never actually logs in as root (ie. they only su to it), what even is the point of /root/.profile and /root/.kshrc? they're never triggered automatically. 
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20:35 < sibiria> su -l = "actually log in as"
20:35 < ssm_> dfdx: 1) some people who aren't you use the root account 2) correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the default contents of /root come from /etc/skel
20:36 < dfdx> sibiria: when i run "su -l", neither /root/.profile nor /root/.kshrc are sourced. I have to do it manually.
20:36 < dfdx> I can tell because I export a different PS1, which doesn't show up automatically.
20:38 < dfdx> nvm... one mistake, /root/.profile seems to be, when I run "su -l". 
20:38 < ssm_> dfdx: works for me. are you exporting PS1?
20:38 < sibiria> what's being read and not depends on root's login shell
20:38 < sibiria> but su -l assuredly does a "real login"
20:38 < sibiria> aka full login
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20:39 < Bradipo> While it might be a challenge to have it handle /root/.profile, you can do:
20:39 < dfdx> okay. i guess my new hack is, *within* /root/.profile, source /root/.kshrc
20:39 < Bradipo> env ENV=/root/.kshrc su -m root
20:39 < Bradipo> Yeah, that's a hack, don't do that.
20:40 < thrig> sudo doas su doas sudo su
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20:45 < ssm_> real question is if it is evil to source ~/.profile in ~/.xsession
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20:51 < dfdx> why is it unsafe to source /root/.kshrc from /root/.profile?
20:52 < ssm_> what if you're using a shell that's not ksh that also sources .profile?
20:53 < ssm_> I guess you could use an if statement on $SHELL
20:53 < ssm_> but either way sourceing kshrc in profile seems like an antipattern
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20:54 < dfdx> but why would root ever use anything besides ksh? I was told to not change root's default shell.
20:56 < tby> trying to sysupgrade a (headless) system but it boots into 7.5 instead of 7.6, any ideas?
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21:01 < sonya> tby: # sysupgrade -R 7.6  .. ? $ man sysupgrade - should help, definitely..
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21:08 < bylzz> sonya: tried, but no success
21:10 < Bradipo> dfdx: Read the man page for ksh(1) for a discussion of .profile vs .kshrc.
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21:11 < Bradipo> You should have this *already* in your /root.profile: export ENV=${HOME}/.kshrc
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21:12 < Bradipo> Which means that if you want ~/.kshrc sourced when you run "su -m" that you simply need to redefine ENV befor calling "su -m".
21:12 < Bradipo> Sorry, if you want ~root/.kshrc sourced.
21:13 < Bradipo> Hence: env ENV=/root/.kshrc su -m root
21:14 < sonya> bylzz: then i guess upgrade with /bsd.rd is an option..  here's no issues ever with /bsd.rd..
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21:16 < sonya> dfdx: for root it seems only two valid options of alternate shells: dash-0.5.12-static and tcsh-6.24.10-static ..
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21:20 < dfdx> Bradipo: I guess I don't really want su -m, though. I want the environment to change. the only thing I want to stay the same is the current working directory.
21:20 < dfdx> my user runs bash, root runs ksh. the user has his own PS1, root has his own. etc.
21:20 < Bradipo> Oh, that's a bit different then.
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21:21 < dfdx> I want su -l with the benefit of staying in the current working directory.
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21:24 < klsrqm> It's a totally n00b thing but I still have to wrap my head around IPV6. Thus far my only engagement with it was "disable it because otherwise your router crashes"
21:24 < klsrqm> Oh, sorry -- replying to a stale convo. 
21:24 < klsrqm> Forgot I scrolled way back up
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21:46 < Zeroctober> klsrqm: my ISP doesn't support ipv6 but I still want to understand it for later
21:46 < dfdx> okay, this is hilarious. I've found a "solution" (that works for me). 
21:47 < dfdx> previously I was using su -l root -c "cd ($pwd); exec $SHELL" but got weird behavior.
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21:47 < dfdx> like weird bashisms.
21:47 < dfdx> turns out, because my user is running bash, $SHELL was bash, not ksh.
21:47 < dfdx> fixing it to: su -l root -c "cd $(pwd); exec ksh" fixed it.
21:48 < thrig> cd && exec ksh
21:48 < dfdx> downside? yes, i've overridden su, but...
21:48  * dfdx shrugs
21:48 < dfdx> yeah, I will use &&, not ; actually.
21:48 < Zeroctober> you might could do su -l root -c "cd $PWD; exec \$SHELL"
21:49 < Zeroctober> to delay the expansion of SHELL
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21:49 < dfdx> wow, yeah, that works too.
21:49 < Zeroctober> \o/
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23:27 < thrig> gemini://thrig.me/tech/openbsd/sftp-only.gmi
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23:29 < Ltning> Ugh, since 7.6, hexchat coredumps with Illegal instructions if any addons are loaded (I only have znc lua modules). lua51 and luajit binaries don't coredump, but I don't know if that has any relevance.
23:29 < Ltning> The hexchat from 7.5 (before I did pkg_add -u) worked..
23:30 < thrig> were all the packages updated and everything else recompiled?
23:30 < Ltning> Yea, pkg_add -u is done. I don't have any locally-compiled stuff.
23:30 < Ltning> (I haven't messed much with openbsd ports yet)
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23:33 < dfdx> thrig: awesome write-up. I think that was me who asked that question!
23:33 < Ltning> Hrm, yea, it's the lua.so plugin in /usr/local/lib/hexchat
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23:46 < trench> https://www.openbsd.org/plus76.html
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23:52 < Ltning> Is there a way to globally tell GCC/LLVM to compile for my specific CPU, and more precisely, avoid creating binaries using instructions I don't have?
23:52 < Ltning> I suppose a lot of things just won't build then, but that's "OK" as it won't run anyway..
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23:58 < thrig> not really given that openbsd will make changes that require recompiling on new release
23:58 < Ltning> I mean for ports
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