--- Log opened Mon Oct 14 00:00:54 2024 00:03 -!- gatlingg1at [~njd@128.6.147.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:04 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 00:06 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:06 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 00:10 -!- Pixi [~Pixi@user/pixi] has joined #openbsd 00:11 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Client Quit] 00:11 -!- znedw08 [~znedw@home.znedw.com] has joined #openbsd 00:11 -!- zwr [~zwr@191-45-63-105.user3p.vtal.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has joined #openbsd 00:17 -!- zwr [~zwr@191-45-63-105.user3p.vtal.net.br] has joined #openbsd 00:18 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:23 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23 -!- SiFuh_ [~SiFuh@user/sifuh] has joined #openbsd 00:30 -!- x_x [~xx@user/xx] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42 -!- critter [~critter@190.77.12.151] has quit [Changing host] 00:42 -!- critter [~critter@user/critter] has joined #openbsd 00:49 < tux0r> oh syspatch 001 is already there 00:49 < tux0r> openbsd.. so insecure.... i'll go back to windows... ;-) 00:59 -!- b50d [~b50d@2a0a-a547-9782-0-76ea-1c92-ee18-637.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:02 -!- jb1277976 [~joe@user/jb1277976] has left #openbsd [] 01:02 -!- b50d [~b50d@2a0a-a547-a4c5-0-430b-c2f2-5e47-c4ad.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has joined #openbsd 01:12 -!- drkhsh [~drkhsh@user/drkhsh] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2] 01:16 -!- drkhsh [~drkhsh@user/drkhsh] has joined #openbsd 01:21 -!- chasmo77 [~chas77@c-76-105-254-179.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 01:21 < vortexx> so insecure that the patched daemon doesn't even run by default :P 01:32 < oldlaptop> and it's a DoS, exactly what exploit mitigations are supposed to turn security bugs into 01:37 -!- b50d [~b50d@2a0a-a547-a4c5-0-430b-c2f2-5e47-c4ad.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:43 < tux0r> ironically, unbound is one of the standard daemons that *do* run on one of my servers 01:43 < tux0r> so i am affected 01:43 < tux0r> :( ;-) 02:00 -!- zorz [~zorz@user/zorz] has joined #openbsd 02:01 < byteskeptical> finkfox: I didn't have any special settings for the dock to work. The one thing I did have to do is upgrade some of my cables though if your using the provided thunderbolt cable it should work. 02:01 -!- vortexx [~nothing@user/vortexx] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:03 < brynet> tux0r: why are you running recursive DNS resolver on a server? 02:03 < byteskeptical> Zerock: depending on your ISP you may have to ask them to release your current IP in order to get a new router dhcp'd (comcast for sure and verizon I think as well) 02:04 < tux0r> brynet: that server is solely meant to run my e-mail infrastructure, and i thought it could be an interesting experiment to use unbound on it. 02:04 < tux0r> and it surely is, to say the least. 02:04 < brynet> why not nsd? 02:04 -!- vortexx [~nothing@2001:1620:4535:dead:babe:15:1ee7:28] has joined #openbsd 02:04 -!- vortexx [~nothing@2001:1620:4535:dead:babe:15:1ee7:28] has quit [Changing host] 02:04 -!- vortexx [~nothing@user/vortexx] has joined #openbsd 02:05 < tux0r> because i had not even heard of nsd until this very moment. 02:05 < Zerock> byteskeptical: I'm thinking it's something like that but maybe slightly different. A few years ago I switched routers and did not have any issue. 02:06 < Zerock> but maybe they changed policy since then 02:07 -!- Aedil [~adrian@146.52.104.238] has joined #openbsd 02:10 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 02:10 -!- fish_head [~x@user/fish-head:02357] has quit [Quit: fish_head] 02:24 < tux0r> g'night 02:34 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:36 -!- sjg [~sjg@user/sjg] has joined #openbsd 02:36 -!- extrowerk_ [~extrowerk@1F2EF98D.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 02:37 -!- extrowerk [~extrowerk@1F2EFFE7.nat.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:39 -!- jab [~user@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 -!- Yukiteru [~Yukiteru@152.53.54.16] has joined #openbsd 02:44 -!- Yukiteru [~Yukiteru@152.53.54.16] has quit [Changing host] 02:44 -!- Yukiteru [~Yukiteru@user/yukiteru] has joined #openbsd 02:53 -!- _zip100 [~zip100@185.209.196.134] has joined #openbsd 02:53 -!- zip100 [~zip100@185.209.196.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:03 -!- tuftedocelot [~tuftedoce@46.23.87.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 -!- RypPn [~RypPn@user/ryppn] has quit [Quit: Real-time updating is paused. 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Could also be something like interrupt from key device is level triggered and not flank triggered so as long as something says "key X got pressed" it keeps sending this to the input because the level stays high for the press duration 07:54 < IcePic> thyssentishman: bmercer@ had something similar on a chromebook, so reading his posts on mastodon might give hints. thread ends with https://bsd.network/@knowmercy/113273295435462065 so perhaps relevant? 07:54 < IcePic> thyssentishman: https://bsd.network/@knowmercy/113114105804827964 sounds totally like your issue 07:56 < thyssentishman> IcePic: thanks for the links 07:56 < thyssentishman> i would've never found those 07:56 < thyssentishman> i' 07:56 < thyssentishman> i'll take a look 07:59 -!- danilogondolfo [~danilogon@2a02:8084:4f62:1280:b7b3:a501:c0ed:dbd9] has joined #openbsd 07:59 -!- UDENIX [~UDENIX@user/udenix] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:03 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd 08:06 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has joined #openbsd 08:15 -!- UDENIX [~UDENIX@user/udenix] has joined #openbsd 08:15 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:17 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd 08:20 -!- artichaut [~artichaut@lfbn-bor-1-1220-130.w92-158.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:20 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 08:25 -!- ChubaDuba [~ChubaDuba@5.167.114.234] has joined #openbsd 08:38 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:38 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 08:41 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:44 -!- megawatt [~megawatt@user/megawatt] has joined #openbsd 08:45 -!- Warr1024 [~Warr@user/warr1024] has quit [Quit: Warr1024] 08:46 -!- Warr1024 [~Warr@user/warr1024] has joined #openbsd 08:46 -!- artichaut [~artichaut@lfbn-bor-1-1220-130.w92-158.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 08:53 -!- rain0r [~rainer@static.198.178.130.94.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: rain0r] 08:54 -!- rain0r [~rainer@static.198.178.130.94.clients.your-server.de] has joined #openbsd 09:01 -!- ChubaDuba [~ChubaDuba@5.167.114.234] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2] 09:01 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has joined #openbsd 09:03 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has joined #openbsd 09:14 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 09:15 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 09:15 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has joined #openbsd 09:23 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 09:24 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has joined #openbsd 09:29 -!- ixc [~x@user/ixc] has joined #openbsd 09:36 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-124-122-56-206.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:37 -!- adip [~adip@public-gprs386866.centertel.pl] has joined #openbsd 09:41 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-124-122-55-200.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #openbsd 09:43 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:48 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49 -!- antanst [~antanst@user/antanst] has joined #openbsd 09:53 -!- deltahotel [~deltahote@user/deltahotel] has joined #openbsd 09:55 -!- artichaut [~artichaut@lfbn-bor-1-1220-130.w92-158.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:56 -!- artichaut [~artichaut@149.102.246.21] has joined #openbsd 09:57 -!- noone [~six@user/six] has quit [Quit: nyaa~] 09:59 -!- jlavsund [~jlavsund@2.71.9.138.mobile.tre.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:59 -!- jlavsund [~jlavsund@fw.cybernetics.se] has joined #openbsd 10:01 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has joined #openbsd 10:05 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:08 -!- yclept [~yclept@user/yclept] has joined #openbsd 10:12 -!- kodcode [~kodcode@user/kodcode] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:13 -!- d-ra [~d-ra@user/d-ra] has joined #openbsd 10:21 -!- hsw [~hsw@2001-b030-2303-0104-0172-0025-0012-0132.hinet-ip6.hinet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:21 -!- hsw [~hsw@2001-b030-2303-0104-0172-0025-0012-0132.hinet-ip6.hinet.net] has joined #openbsd 10:36 < finkfox> hi. i'm wondering, what is the proper way to create an "ext2" formated usb stick? 10:37 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 10:40 -!- finkfox_ [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has joined #openbsd 10:41 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50 -!- jlavsund [~jlavsund@fw.cybernetics.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:50 -!- jlavsund [~jlavsund@2.71.9.138.mobile.tre.se] has joined #openbsd 10:52 -!- jambove [~jambove@BC063AC7.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:54 -!- jambove [~jambove@BC063F7F.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 10:56 -!- frdem [~frdem@109.7.17.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:57 -!- frdem [~frdem@178.157.33.2] has joined #openbsd 10:58 -!- angues [~snakes@user/Snakes] has joined #openbsd 10:58 < sibiria> finkfox_: newfs_ext2fs -v blahblah /dev/sdXc <- works 10:58 < sibiria> adjust X to whatever the actual device number is 11:05 -!- finkfox_ [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has quit [Quit: finkfox_] 11:05 < sibiria> presuming you've made a suitable partition first of course. i think you can do "-I " or so to just enforce all of it 11:06 -!- jlavsund [~jlavsund@2.71.9.138.mobile.tre.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10 < remiliascarlet> brynet: IMO, NetBSD is an OK operating system, especially useful in places OpenBSD is unsupported. But I just like the much more consistent nature of OpenBSD too much to go full blown NetBSD. 11:14 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 11:28 < vortexx> sibiria: you'd need to create a type 83 partition with fdisk first 11:29 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has joined #openbsd 11:30 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@117.139.163.129] has quit [Client Quit] 11:40 < thfr> thyssentishman: re: thinkpad gen6 keyboard - maybe this diff for the T14 gen6 here will also fix your machine: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=172873754328565&w=2 11:41 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:43 < thfr> hardware support is a difficult topic because the knowledge/skills how to implement it and fix drivers is sparse. conventional wisdom is that the machines used by those developers are usually the ones best supported... so some people have donated the machines they are interested in to developers (no guarantees...) 11:45 -!- mover [~hischild@user/mover] has joined #openbsd 11:45 < thyssentishman> thfr: thank you 11:46 < thyssentishman> I actually tried that patch without success 11:48 < thyssentishman> luckily, thread mentioned by IcePic lead me to this patch: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=172841287007678&w=2 11:48 < thyssentishman> which seems to be working 11:49 < thyssentishman> **mostly** 11:49 < thyssentishman> (see linked thread) 11:49 < IcePic> thyssentishman: happy to help 11:49 < thyssentishman> thank you very much! :) 11:50 < thyssentishman> at least I don't have to carry my external keyboard around anymore 11:54 < thfr> btw I've been trying to figure out the Framework 16 touchpad this week, without success so far 11:54 -!- sinvet [~sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 11:59 < IcePic> summon your inner miod 12:00 -!- bitflip_ [~bitflip@136.33.6.97] has quit [Quit: ttfn] 12:02 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has joined #openbsd 12:07 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:07 < thyssentishman> thfr: I saw your posts on the framework forum 12:08 -!- jauntyd [jauntyd@user/jauntyd] has joined #openbsd 12:08 < thyssentishman> at least there's been some progress on the S0 suspend 12:08 < thfr> yes, and I have at least a theory of what's preventing the touchpad from working 12:10 < thyssentishman> yeah, I saw that too. I hope you are onto something, fingers crossed :) 12:10 -!- scain [~scain@2603:8080:b104:4e00:45cf:678b:a7f:b897] has joined #openbsd 12:16 -!- bitflip_ [~bitflip@136.33.6.97] has joined #openbsd 12:20 -!- jedesa [~Thunderbi@user/jedesa] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20 < brynet> remiliascarlet: What? 12:22 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@user/OG-MagiC:07773] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@user/OG-MagiC:07773] has joined #openbsd 12:31 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd 12:35 -!- greybeard [~Adium@user/greybeard] has joined #openbsd 12:46 < RobbieAB> thfr: How much difference in the internals is there between the different size framework laptops? 12:48 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@222.210.190.90] has joined #openbsd 12:58 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@222.210.190.90] has quit [Client Quit] 13:00 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@222.210.190.90] has joined #openbsd 13:18 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:21 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has joined #openbsd 13:23 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has joined #openbsd 13:53 < jauntyd> Hello 13:53 < jauntyd> Is there a person I can ask about downloading official OpenBSD logo(s)? 13:53 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:55 -!- Vigdis [~danj@ns4.chown.me] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.1] 13:56 -!- cow321 [~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:56 -!- Zerock [~0ck@copyfree/pedant/zerock] has joined #openbsd 13:59 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:ba9e:b262:4c91:9d86] has joined #openbsd 13:59 < thrig> the downloading may happen automatically if you've got one of those poorly written browsers that automatically downloads images 14:00 < jauntyd> :) 14:02 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has joined #openbsd 14:04 -!- zorz [~zorz@user/zorz] has joined #openbsd 14:07 -!- RobbieAB [~robert@user/RobbieAB] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07 -!- hwpplayer1 [~user@user/hwpplayer1] has joined #openbsd 14:08 -!- zorz [~zorz@user/zorz] has left #openbsd [] 14:10 -!- Vigdis [~danj@ns4.chown.me] has joined #openbsd 14:11 < krzych> Hi, how can i fix traccar after migrating to the latest version, it wont start, it asked me about traccar.xml 14:12 -!- kikadf [~quassel@20014C4E2BC46000DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.] 14:13 -!- RobbieAB [~robert@user/RobbieAB] has joined #openbsd 14:13 < krzych> i dont see new logs in var/log/traccar/tracker-server.log 14:14 -!- struchu [~struchu@staticline-31-183-188-83.toya.net.pl] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2] 14:17 -!- kikadf [~quassel@20014C4E2BC46000DEA632FFFE5AD709.dsl.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openbsd 14:22 < jauntyd> ty 14:22 -!- jauntyd [jauntyd@user/jauntyd] has left #openbsd [] 14:32 -!- deltahotel [~deltahote@user/deltahotel] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:37 < Zerock> sibiria: byteskeptical: the exciting conclusion: I needed to reboot my cable modem to get it to accept the new MAC address 14:39 -!- sandbag [~sandbag@user/sandbag] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:48 -!- FWbat [~fuzzy@c-73-35-154-239.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.2.1 -- just do it.] 14:49 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:53 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has joined #openbsd 14:54 -!- Bradipo [~Bradipo@50.77.44.29] has joined #openbsd 14:55 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p548542dd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 14:56 < sibiria> glad you came to grips with it 14:57 -!- horrad [~Thunderbi@p50989fe8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: horrad] 14:58 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:58 < krzych> ok i found it in the debugger :) (Caused by: java.io.FileNotFoundException: ./logs/tracker-server.log (Permission denied)) 14:59 < byteskeptical> Zerock: nice! congrats, enjoy the new router. 15:00 -!- tarxvfz [~tarxvfz@gateway/tor-sasl/tarxvfz] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:03 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@86-95-161-96.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #openbsd 15:03 -!- tarxvfz [~tarxvfz@gateway/tor-sasl/tarxvfz] has joined #openbsd 15:06 -!- CosmicDJ [~cosmicdj@p200300e24f00620102e04cfffe01e7ab.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:06 -!- gatlinggoat1 [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:d41d:cf3f:fce7:a533] has joined #openbsd 15:07 -!- CosmicDJ [~cosmicdj@p200300e24f09d60102e04cfffe01e7ab.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 15:07 -!- format_c [~format_c@2a02:b98:f181:4094:f550:7488:2d5:5ffa] has joined #openbsd 15:09 -!- gatlinggoat1 [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:d41d:cf3f:fce7:a533] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09 -!- megawatt [~megawatt@user/megawatt] has left #openbsd [] 15:10 -!- gatlingg1at [~njd@96.225.72.95] has joined #openbsd 15:12 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2] 15:23 < Zerock> hmm, alright, I have one more problem to solve. Hosts inside my LAN cannot reach services available to the internet by my rdr-to rules. I can see in tcpdump that the router is forwarding the request, and that the server inside the LAN is getting the request and attempting to reply. I think the problem is that since the client and server exist on the same subnet, the server is trying to reply 15:23 < Zerock> directly, but the client is expecting the reply to come from the router. What can I do about this? 15:26 -!- greybeard [~Adium@user/greybeard] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:26 < Zerock> one idea I had was to make a match rule for packets on $lan_if to ($ext_if) to nat-to ($lan_if), but that doesn't seem to be doing what I want either, and of course it causes me to lose information about which host really made the request 15:32 < Bradipo> So you're using rdr-to to forward traffic from "outer" LAN to a server on "inner" LAN? 15:33 < Bradipo> Also, I don't see how this makes sense "client and server exist on the same subnet". 15:33 < Bradipo> If client and server are on the same subnet, why is rdr-to even necessary? 15:34 < byteskeptical> Zerock: you can try something like: match out on $ext_if from ($lan:network) to any nat-to ($ext_if) 15:38 -!- jpb [~jimbznc@user/jpb] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:38 < Zerock> Bradipo: Theoretically not necessary, but for convenience it is. For example I have an HTTP server hosted inside my LAN. I have a rdr-to rule which makes it accessible from the internet. From a PC on my LAN, I want to be able to access that HTTP server by its FQDN, which resolves to my router's external address and hits the rdr-to rule. 15:39 -!- jpb [~jimbznc@user/jpb] has joined #openbsd 15:39 < betabug> in the past people used to solve this problem with split-dns 15:40 < betabug> local dns returns the local ip for that server, no fw rules needed 15:40 -!- gatlingg1at [~njd@96.225.72.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:40 < Zerock> that may be what I end up doing 15:40 < Bradipo> Yes, I was just about to recommend location aware DNS. 15:40 < betabug> if you have only one client, you can even simply use /etc/hosts and be done 15:41 < Zerock> although, one problem is that I have many services which don't all map to the same host inside the LAN 15:41 < Zerock> so I would need different domain names for each one to do it by DNS 15:43 < Bradipo> It's generally not a good idea to take packets from a LAN, hit the external interface on a L3 device and then forward the traffic back to the LAN from which it originated. 15:43 < Bradipo> Causes all kinds of difficult to diagnose problems. 15:43 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44 < Zerock> well I'm figuring that out 15:45 < Bradipo> Might be better to do an rdr-to on the internal LAN interface? 15:45 -!- jpb [~jimbznc@user/jpb] has quit [Quit: Bye!] 15:45 < Bradipo> See what happens. I haven't ever tried this particular setup that you have. 15:45 -!- jpb [~jimbznc@user/jpb] has joined #openbsd 15:45 < Bradipo> I put servers on a DMZ, not on an internal LAN. 15:45 < Zerock> yeah a DMZ would also fix this problem 15:46 < Zerock> alright I'll figure it out. thanks for the inputs 15:48 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 15:54 < Bradipo> On another note... 15:54 < Bradipo> Is there a decent backup tool that can be used by non-technical people that runs on OpenBSD? 15:54 < Bradipo> e.g. one that can just backup to a mounted USB drive? 15:55 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 15:55 < RobbieAB> non-technical and openbsd seems a strange combination 15:55 < Bradipo> Not really. 15:56 < opv> is there a web browser in base? 15:56 < Bradipo> People don't have to be experts in OpenBSD to login, open a web browser and do things. 15:56 < RobbieAB> Bradipo: Ok, so something that requires a level of technical skill to setup but not use is reasonable? 15:56 < Bradipo> There are dozens of packages in OpenBSD that can be installed that make the user experience on OpenBSD useful to non-technical people. 15:57 -!- textmode_ [~textmode@81-229-99-111-no69.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openbsd 15:57 < miah> depends on how you define backup tool 15:57 < Bradipo> Do all Windows users know how to install Windows and set it up? 15:57 < miah> tar and rsync are backup tools 15:57 < quinq> Maybe non-technical means pocket-computer-iliterate 15:57 < Bradipo> Yes, I'm well aware of tar/rsync. I could just write a script, but I'm looking for something more "friendly" to those who are not as comfortable on the command-line. 15:57 < miah> and beyond definition, it depends on where you set the technical bar 15:57 < RobbieAB> Bradipo: No, but then most people have someone more technical install their Windows. 15:58 < RobbieAB> A script with a menu entry? 15:58 < Bradipo> RobbieAB: Precisely. Consider me the "more technical installer". :-) 15:58 < miah> https://apps.kde.org/kbackup/ could be a solution 15:58 < miah> for less technical users 15:58 < Bradipo> Technical bar is, they are able to reason about filesystems, but don't know enough about rsync. They could use a UI to select which things they want backed up and to which media. 15:59 < Bradipo> Except it's KDE. lol. 15:59 < quinq> Ah, technical bear meaning having to learn, here 15:59 < miah> i mean, you want less technical users, are you gonna set them up with a tiling window manager? 15:59 < quinq> s/bear/bar/ 15:59 < miah> i'd put kde on anything im handing to somebody who barely knows windows/macos 15:59 < RobbieAB> Suitable for non-technical, but not allowed be KDE 16:00 < Bradipo> I currently put xfce4 on it. KDE is a bit heavy. 16:00 < Bradipo> Though, who knows, maybe KDE would perform/behave better. 16:00 < Bradipo> Lately it seems that xfce4 and messagebus are extremely buggy. 16:02 < RobbieAB> https://www.opbyte.it/grsync/screenshot.html ? 16:03 -!- talos [~talos@2600:6c5d:0:4b06:56f9:a7ca:bca6:f6d] has joined #openbsd 16:03 < Bradipo> I wonder if there's a Tk UI for rsync. :-) 16:03 < RobbieAB> No idea if it is packaged, but it has a GTK UI, so should blend in nicely with XFCE 16:03 < xse> things like borgbackup/restic are bound to have a few frontend/GUI wrapper, like sysutils/vorta 16:03 -!- cow321 [~deflated8@user/meow/deflated8837] has joined #openbsd 16:05 < RobbieAB> Deja Dup is the gnome tool, that might also blend in (though heaven knows how much extra weight it pulls) https://welcome.gnome.org/app/DejaDup/ 16:06 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@lfbn-lyo-1-1454-239.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06 < thrig> gnome? at least three gorillas 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I just know that the Framework 16 seems to have issues with the touchpad that the Framework 13 didn't seem to have 18:10 -!- format_c [~format_c@2a02:b98:f181:4094:f550:7488:2d5:5ffa] has quit [Quit: format_c] 18:12 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:15 < byteskeptical> well I think jcs submitted a patch for the 13 to work as it does. I don't think any such patch has been submitted for the 16 18:16 < vortexx> isn't the only difference between 13 and 16 internals that there is a discrete GPU? (no I do not own this hw) 18:18 -!- oxzi [~oxzi@marohu.lurk.space] has joined #openbsd 18:22 < byteskeptical> It's a very similar touchpad from the same company but an different revision. I also looked into this slightly, I think the underlying issue here is the AMD cpu instead of intel. I think jcs's previous patch only affected intel machines which is why despite the simularity it doesn't work the same way. 18:23 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@86-95-161-96.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Quit: https://github.com/ivdsangen] 18:34 -!- cross [~cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34 -!- jfsimon1981_c [~jfsimon19@lfbn-lyo-1-1454-239.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openbsd 18:35 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has joined #openbsd 18:39 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@lfbn-lyo-1-1454-239.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- gatlingg1at [~njd@128.6.147.73] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:44 < sir-photch> probably a dumb question: will the latest OpenSMTPD release 7.6.0 be available via pkg_add -Uu ? I didn't see that popping up when I just tried to upgrade 18:44 < sir-photch> Or is it upgraded in another way 18:46 < oldlaptop> smtpd is part of openbsd and therefore upgraded along with the rest of openbsd 18:46 < sir-photch> ... so in 7.7? 18:46 < oldlaptop> (also, "pkg_add -Uu" is redundant) 18:46 -!- davlefou [~davlefou@2a01:e0a:5f4:4bd0:7f4:3647:2344:711] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:46 < sir-photch> right 18:47 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD 7.6 has smtpd from OpenBSD 7.6. OpenBSD 7.7 will have smtpd from OpenBSD 7.7. 18:47 < sir-photch> K 18:49 -!- mlw [~mlw@41.73.193.26] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:50 -!- typicat [~karl@h-37-123-143-132.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 18:51 < oldlaptop> insofar as it has a separate version number, see https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/usr.sbin/smtpd/smtpd.h 18:51 < oldlaptop> (it certainly appears to be aligned with the system's version number) 18:51 < xse> Ended up asking misc@ about that sshd invalid-user feature, we'll see if i'm missing anything obvious https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=172891153529337 (cc pardis) 18:52 < Bradipo> Which is interesting because OpenSSH has it's own version. 18:53 -!- gracefeel [~gracefeel@66.135.19.182] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:53 -!- typicat [~karl@h-37-123-143-132.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Changing host] 18:53 -!- typicat [~karl@user/typicat] has joined #openbsd 18:53 < oldlaptop> insofar as it's not aligned it appears to be that sometimes they don't bump it before an openbsd release (or three) 18:54 < oldlaptop> whether that's because there's no compatibility break or whatever or because it's easy to forget I could not say 18:55 -!- oxyhyxo [~oxyhyxo@101.191.16.128] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:58 -!- _0bitcount [~BigByte@110.pool95-21-144.static.orange.es] has joined #openbsd 18:59 -!- davlefou [~davlefou@2a01:e0a:5f4:4bd0:5d4d:fe89:5e13:875e] has joined #openbsd 19:03 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 19:08 -!- msamsing [~msa@094145068082.dynamic.telenor.dk] has joined #openbsd 19:09 -!- gatlingg1at [~njd@pool-165-230-225-180.nat.rutgers.edu] has joined #openbsd 19:10 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055:e9b1:94fd:12d9:575] has joined #openbsd 19:13 -!- msamsing [~msa@094145068082.dynamic.telenor.dk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:21 -!- Aedil [~adrian@146.52.104.238] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:37 -!- Yukiteru [~Yukiteru@152.53.54.16] has joined #openbsd 19:37 -!- Yukiteru [~Yukiteru@152.53.54.16] has quit [Changing host] 19:37 -!- Yukiteru [~Yukiteru@user/yukiteru] has joined #openbsd 19:41 -!- Yukiteru_ [~Yukiteru@152.53.54.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:42 -!- gatlingg1at [~njd@pool-165-230-225-180.nat.rutgers.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:52 -!- _0bitcount [~BigByte@110.pool95-21-144.static.orange.es] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:59 -!- ixc [~x@user/ixc] has quit [Quit: ] 20:00 -!- setient [~setient@li92-193.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:02 -!- setient [~setient@li92-193.members.linode.com] has joined #openbsd 20:04 -!- m0v [~m0v@user/m0v] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:10 < pardis> xse: I don't know what your question is, the logs you posted seem to be doing exactly what you've configured sshd to do 20:10 -!- m0v [~m0v@113.192.26.170] has joined #openbsd 20:10 -!- m0v [~m0v@113.192.26.170] has quit [Changing host] 20:10 -!- m0v [~m0v@user/m0v] has joined #openbsd 20:10 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has joined #openbsd 20:10 < pardis> it's saying "match not found", so it's not matching on invalid-user 20:10 -!- SirJitsu [~SirJitsu@162-231-111-175.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:15 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:16 < pardis> have you tried confirming if this is the issue by changing 'Match Invalid-User' to match on a different user that does exist? 20:18 < pardis> and have you been testing RefuseConnection with an invalid user from the same source, perhaps? 20:21 < xse> pardis: sorry i should have been clearer, what i believe happens is my user is being recognized as an invalid user https://clbin.com/xuvHP 20:21 -!- typicat [~karl@user/typicat] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:22 < pardis> but the log says "match not found", which suggests it's not matching and perhaps there's a bug elsewhere (either in the config or the code, since this is a new feature) 20:22 < pardis> I haven't updated to 7.6 yet so I can't test myself 20:23 < xse> if i remove the 'match invalid user' i don't get penalised, if i use for example "Match User xse\n\tRefuseConnection no" 20:25 -!- typicat [~karl@user/typicat] has joined #openbsd 20:25 < xse> I've also tried invoquing sshd with stuff like 'sshd -T -C addr=127.0.0.1,user=xse | grep refuse' and so on 20:26 < xse> right, i managed to get one person who replicated what i was seeing so i'm enclined to believe there's a bug 20:26 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:26 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has joined #openbsd 20:28 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28 < xse> yep still quite recent, so much so i did not find any known good sample configuration 20:28 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has joined #openbsd 20:30 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38 -!- joxn [~john@utaw/joxn] has joined #openbsd 20:38 -!- joxn [~john@utaw/joxn] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:47 -!- angues [~snakes@user/Snakes] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.2.1] 20:47 -!- noone [~six@user/six] has joined #openbsd 20:48 -!- CrashOverride [~strcat@p548542dd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:48 -!- oraculo [~mirc-rc@177.100.68.254] has joined #openbsd 20:49 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 21:00 -!- mijndert [~mijndert@user/mijndert] has quit [Quit: kbye] 21:01 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has joined #openbsd 21:07 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055:e9b1:94fd:12d9:575] has quit [Quit: Got to go. irctk 1.1.0-beta] 21:10 -!- adig_ [~default@109.166.137.188] has joined #openbsd 21:10 -!- adig_ [~default@109.166.137.188] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12 -!- adig [~default@185.53.199.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:14 -!- yclept [~yclept@user/yclept] has quit [Quit: nyaa~] 21:17 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has joined #openbsd 21:20 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has joined #openbsd 21:22 -!- adig [~default@109.166.137.188] has joined #openbsd 21:22 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@ppp-124-122-55-200.revip2.asianet.co.th] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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22:43 < finkfox> byteskeptical: are you sure you have/had this kind of dock and it was working with your x1? 22:45 -!- todi_away [~todi@vm4634378.25ssd.had.wf] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45 < finkfox> ps: getting windows 10 installed on usb stick was quite tedious. 22:45 -!- todi [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 22:46 < smol-hors> the easiest way to do that is to already have windows installed, lol 22:49 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has joined #openbsd 22:52 -!- todi_away [~todi@5.154.181.23] has joined #openbsd 22:53 -!- mbuhl [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53 -!- todi [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54 -!- Yukiteru [~Yukiteru@user/yukiteru] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:54 -!- mbuhl [~mbuhl@user/mbuhl] has joined #openbsd 22:55 < sibiria> finkfox: USB flash memory is poorly suited for anything resulting in lots of small writes 22:55 < sibiria> better use a USB SSD/HDD for such setups 22:56 -!- todi_away [~todi@5.154.181.23] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56 -!- todi [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 23:00 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@109-92-123-228.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01 < finkfox> sibiria: well, it worked out, and I don't think I will need it very often. 23:01 -!- halcon [~halcon@S01065c76956084d6.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openbsd 23:06 -!- todi_away [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 23:07 -!- todi [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:10 -!- talos [~talos@2600:6c5d:0:4b06:56f9:a7ca:bca6:f6d] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 23:12 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:12 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:15 -!- megawatt [~megawatt@user/megawatt] has left #openbsd [] 23:20 -!- todi_away [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:20 -!- macabro [~user@user/monkey/x-0691028] has joined #openbsd 23:23 -!- talos [~talos@2600:6c5d:0:4b06:fd9e:8bbf:26ca:ea98] has joined #openbsd 23:24 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24 -!- todi [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openbsd 23:27 -!- todi_away [~todi@vm4634378.25ssd.had.wf] has joined #openbsd 23:29 -!- todi [~todi@p57803331.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:30 -!- halcon [~halcon@S01065c76956084d6.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34 -!- xzdx_ [~xzdx@c-76-112-20-192.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openbsd 23:34 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has joined #openbsd 23:35 -!- Tingo [~Tingo@2407:d000:b:268a:4bb:2a65:c255:2b87] has joined #openbsd 23:35 -!- xzdx [~xzdx@user/XZDX] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:36 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.104.216.29] has joined #openbsd 23:39 -!- todi_away is now known as todi 23:45 -!- ipetruk [~user@user/ipetruk] has joined #openbsd 23:47 -!- hussein1 [~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hussein1] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:47 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@223.104.216.29] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 23:48 -!- zimmer [~zimmer@user/zimmer] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:56 -!- hussein1 [~weechat@gateway/tor-sasl/hussein1] has joined #openbsd 23:57 -!- todi [~todi@vm4634378.25ssd.had.wf] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Oct 15 00:00:41 2024