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06:53 < lts> LibreSSL goes to eleven^Wfour
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07:01 < Foxy_> finkfox: /2
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07:33 < RobbieAB> thfr: Ok, so no, they aren't just a different sized screen, in terms of support. Though it sounds like the 13 is actually better supported.
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11:44 < thfr> RobbieAB: jcs@ wrote a whole post about the Framework 13 including what's supported with updates, and I think he fixed some of the compatibility issues himself... no such love for the Framework 16 so far...
11:45 < thfr> see here: https://jcs.org/2021/08/06/framework
11:51 < RobbieAB> thfr: Ah, nice, thank you. Though that would presumably not be the current 13 models, so that in a way answers my question anyway.
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13:03 < anexit> How can I say block on all interfaces?
13:03 < anexit> block on proto tcp from any to any port 70
13:03 < anexit> Tells me it's invalid
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13:08 < sibiria> you omit "on <interface>"
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13:09 < sibiria> e.g.:  block proto tcp to any port 70
13:09 < anexit> yeah I got it
13:09 < anexit> :D
13:09 < sibiria> mhm
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13:10 < anexit> I was looking at the (all) parm as well but I think the above is just a better fit.
13:10 < remiliascarlet> http://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/packages/ Looks like they don't have any packages for macppc anymore...
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13:13 < sinvet> can you change this OpenBSD FDE encryption key ?
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13:15 < sinvet> this is something I did not find the answer via google
13:19 < sinvet> I mean just yes or no, I do not need here step by step instructions, because I'm aware this is advanced unix-like group
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13:21 < betabug> sinvet: man bioctl "-P      Change the passphrase on the selected crypto volume."
13:24 < sinvet> betabug, thanks
13:24 < betabug> yw
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15:22 < vortexx> remiliascarlet: it's possible the packages haven't finished compiling yet, powerpc and powerpc64 are still listed but no number of packages provided is given yet
15:22 < vortexx> still listed here: https://www.openbsd.org/76.html
15:23 < vortexx> (erratum: there's 8314 powerpc64 packages)
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15:28 < finkfox> how can I find out what it cause high "sys" load?
15:29 < Zeroctober> finkfox: systat(1) I think
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15:31 < sibiria> top -S
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16:24 < finkfox> enabling "Thunderbolt Assist Mode" in my bios on a thinkpad x1 carbon 6th gen results in ACPI storm.
16:25 < finkfox> other users have reported this problem. someone wrote a patch to ignore a certain acpi interrupt https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=152022260714390&w=2
16:25 < miah> do you need Thunderbolt Assist mode?
16:26 < finkfox> only if I want the thinkpad docking station to work
16:26 < miah> seems like there is a firmware bug, have you updated? https://www.notebookcheck.net/ThinkPad-Thunderbolt-3-failure-What-s-happening-why-it-s-happening-and-how-to-fix-it.451207.0.html
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16:27 < finkfox> my goal is to have a "desktop" setup with external screen, keyboard, mouse, without having to plug/unplug three cables. I was hoping the dock would be good for that.
16:27 < finkfox> miah: yes, both laptop and docking station have latest firmware now.
16:29 < finkfox> so i'm wondering, my external monitor (nec multisync) has some usb ports. is there any chance of gettings those to work when connected to the monitor via hdmi?
16:29 < finkfox> dmesg remains quiet when I attach usb devices in that way.
16:30 < finkfox> byteskeptical: i'm still wondering if and how you got your dock to work.
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16:36 < Bradipo> finkfox: NEC multisync... is that CRT?
16:37 < Bradipo> I suppose the last time I had an NEC monitor it was CRT.  Maybe I shouldn't assume that yours is still CRT. lol.
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16:40 < TaelTydes> I don't suppose anyone is aware of any docmentation of commonly patched headers for interchangable libs? I have mappings for the easy stuff, like bin dirs, but it's be nice to have mappings for say <sys/videoio.h> -> <linux/videodev2.h> for eg
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16:40 < RobbieAB> finkfox: I'm not sure HDMI can carry USB like that, at least not without support from the graphics card on the computer. Anytime I have seen those, they have had a separate USB cable (though it has been years, I suppose thunderbolt might be able to do it)
16:43 < finkfox> Bradipo: no its LCD
16:44 < Bradipo> Yes, I see that I was wrong.
16:45 < miah> HDMI can carry a bunch of things, even ethernet
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16:45 < RobbieAB> It would still need the graphics card to support it though, wouldn't it?
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16:46 < finkfox> RobbieAB: you are most probably right, I need to connect the usb hub on the monitor with a dedicated usb cable.
16:46 < miah> ya i think it would
16:47 < finkfox> I just know I had it working my years ago on a different OS (probably gentoo). can't remember how I got it to work.
16:47 < miah> its why i dont trust hdmi on many things, i'll plug it into linux/openbsd. but i wouldn't trust a appletv to not support hdmi-ethernet and let a smart tv online through it
16:48 < miah> we have a older apple cinema display that has usb, and you have to specifically hook the usb cable up to the pc/mac (the display cable has a usb dongle as well as thunderbolt)
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16:49 < miah> (i havent been able to convince my wife to use a *nix on her desktop) lol
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16:49 < finkfox> so instead of using docking station via thunderbolt (connect 1 usb-c cable to laptop) I could use the monitor (connect hdmi, usb-hub, usb-c power). hmm.
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16:51 < miah> maybe? won't know until you try
16:52 < miah> at least Xwindows doesn't tell you to be scared of trying things with your monitor anymore =)
16:52 < thrig> the high-pitched whine and blank screen after you set the refresh rate too high...
16:53 < miah> better get out the degausser
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17:07 < echelon> hello, has anyone tested openbsd on ibm hardware?
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17:08 < echelon> i have some power7's but they don't even have video out, was wondering if you need an hmc for console
17:08 < thrig> thinkpads used to be ibm, so yes
17:09 < echelon> :P
17:10 < Zeroctober> openbsd supports serial consoles
17:10 < echelon> is it enabled with the default installer?
17:11 < Zeroctober> there's a thing you can do at the boot prompt of the installer to set it to use serial
17:11 < Zeroctober> I did it recently
17:11 < Zeroctober> also possible to modify the installer image to do it by default
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17:12 < echelon> ok
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17:12 < echelon> i don't think hmc console works the same as serial console
17:12 < echelon> it's likely some proprietary thing for remote management kind of like idrac
17:13 < Zeroctober> I know very little about ibm power
17:14 < pardis> which port would you even install on a power7?
17:14 < echelon> ?Currently OpenBSD/powerpc64 supports POWER9 processors and runs stably on PowerNV machines based on the Raptor Computing Systems Talos II and Blackbird boards. Support for POWER8 processors is included but untested.
17:14 < echelon> so is power7 out of the question?
17:15 < thrig> the eye-watering price tag usually rules out easy support
17:15 < pardis> unless the code that was written for and tested on POWER9 just happens to work on a different CPU, and/or you are willing to implement support for it yourself, probably
17:15 < echelon> it would run custom software that i wrote
17:16 < echelon> i just want to ensure that the o/s works
17:17 < Zeroctober> can't hurt to try
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17:21 < betabug> go to the store and try to boot it with an usb stick while the sales guy doesn't see you ;-)
17:21 < Zeroctober> he said he already had machines for it
17:21 < echelon> there's no store for ibm power servers
17:22 < betabug> and it probably won't boot from a usb stick ;-)
17:22 < betabug> also if there was a store, the sales guy *definitely* wouldn't let you at the machines without keeping an eye on you
17:22 < Zeroctober> why wouldn'tit?
17:22 < betabug> Zeroctober: it would be too easy
17:23 < Zeroctober> good point
17:25 < thrig> unless you arrange for a distraction to pull the sales guy away
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17:26 < betabug> long enough to load the tape drive with the OS and toggle in the bootloader
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17:33 < echelon> so ibm power isn't the same as powerpc?
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17:40 < IcePic> ibm power is a series of machines, powerpc is a type of cpu. ibm power uses ppc, but they are not identical
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18:44 < finkfox> confirmed: had to connect usb-upstream port on nec monitor for integrated usb hub to work.
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18:50 < finkfox> ntpd tells me that "-s" flag has been removed? I have quite some offset, how can I fix that: constraint offset 25160s, clock unsynced, clock offset is 25135132.863ms
18:53 < miah> i usually just use `date` to set a time close to the correct time and let ntpd fixup the offset
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18:58 < finkfox> miah: ok
18:58 < finkfox> wondering what caused this huge offset though.
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18:59 < serious> the slow and inevitable march of time
18:59 < thrig> a BIOS once decided to boot four years into the future (and NTP was broken for unrelated reasons)
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19:00 < thrig> so the other sysadmin was like "hey did this system really boot four years..." and I was like yup sure did
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19:01 < Posterdati> hi
19:02 < Posterdati> please help, does egcc come with an ld like egcc-ld?
19:02 < Posterdati> Thanks!
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19:04 < Zeroctober> Posterdati: I don't see a package called egcc in the repo at all
19:04 < Zeroctober> but you can use pkg_info -L to list the files contained in a package
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19:08 < Posterdati> Zeroctober: I know...
19:08 < Posterdati> egcc = gcc
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19:12 < Zeroctober> pkg_info -L gcc | grep ld
19:12 < Zeroctober> I don't see one
19:13 < itush> anyway to sysupgrade over ssh on toptop box  Intel i226-V 2.5G N5105?
19:13 < thrig> ld.bfd is a GNU linker
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19:17 < Zeroctober> itush: you can sysupgrade over ssh, but once it reboots to install the sets it will go offline until the upgrade is complete. if the upgrade fails, your system may become unreachable over the network.
19:18 < itush> Zeroctober: it's fine. the problem is it download sets going reboot and dont do upgrade
19:19 < Zeroctober> hmm
19:19 < itush> until i plug monitor and keyboard no upgrade
19:20 < Zeroctober> yeah sounds like something weird is happening
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19:21 < itush> found same problem on reddit but no solution
19:21 < Zeroctober> easy stuff to check... did you make sure you have enough room in all your file systems?
19:21 < itush> sure
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19:22 < Zeroctober> are any of your file systems mounted as read-only?
19:23 < itush> it just going fine if I connect monitor and keyboard
19:23 < Zeroctober> o_O
19:23 < itush> something happen on boot
19:23 < Zeroctober> that sounds like maybe something weird with inteldrm driver failing when there's no monitor connected
19:24 < Zeroctober> I also have an N5105 and had to do something for that
19:24 < Zeroctober> one moment
19:24 < itush> found this one https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/vmnum6/installing_openbsd_on_remote_headless_server/
19:24 < Zeroctober> echo 'disable inteldrm' >/etc/bsd.re-config
19:24 < Zeroctober> and there was another command to regenerate the checksum that I forgot
19:24 < miah> it sounds like your system is erroring on no-keyboard like old bios used to 'press f1 to continue'
19:25 < thrig> keyboard not found! press f1!!
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19:25 < miah> right
19:25 < thrig> me: just boot, damn it, you're a gorramed server
19:25 < itush> but it rebooted well not issues
19:26 < Zeroctober> yeah, the inteldrm thing sent my system into a boot loop
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20:20 < klsrqm> hmmm, strange -- my $PATH seems to be set correctly and yet user-installed binaries are not found 
20:20 < klsrqm> https://paste.c-net.org/GorakWinter
20:20 < klsrqm> does anyone have any ideas what the cause may be?
20:22 < klsrqm> (was fine before the update to 7.6)
20:23 < klsrqm> oh, curiouser and curiouser -- same response if i call it directly?!
20:23 < Bradipo> You didn't show: ls -l /home/kls/.local/bin/rsh*
20:24 < Bradipo> Nor did you show: ldd /home/kls/.local/bin/rshell
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20:26 < klsrqm> oh man, thanks, that's probably it... didn't realise it was a symlink!
20:27 < klsrqm> i think it has to do with pipx
20:27 < Bradipo> I'm not a big fan of this trend to put things in ~/.local or ~/.config.
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20:31 < klsrqm> thanks Bradipo for the pointers, it's fixed now. basically it had to do with upgrading Python to 3.11 and pipx getting confused. `pipx reinstall-all && pipx ensure-path` fixed it.
20:32 < Bradipo> Aha, yes, had to be Python... one of the things that utilizes ~/.local!
20:33 < klsrqm> virtual environments get confused with python upgrades apparently
20:33 < klsrqm> and i get confused just as normal practice
20:33 < Bradipo> lol
20:33 < Bradipo> At least it's possible to figure out.
20:33 < Bradipo> If this had been a problem on Windows you would spend hours pouring over useless suggestions on websites, point, click, pointy, clicky, and still be spinning.
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20:34 < klsrqm> *shudder*
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23:12 < zayd> why do the install isos never include the SHA256.sig file it warns about when installing sets?
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23:22 < thrig> presumably the attack already corrupted the iso, or the iso is already golden
23:26 < sibiria> zayd: because you are supposed to verify the ISO
23:26 < sibiria> if it verifies itself it's not verifying anything
23:27 < zayd> sibiria: oh, never have had to do that for anything else, assumed it was just something in the installer
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23:28 < sibiria> you don't have to for this either, but you should
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