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00:24 < puffybuf> back to openbsd. So how do I get xterm to not be ugly? or should I get something else in ports
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00:25 < jb1277976> https://dpaste.org/GjnQM
00:25 < jb1277976> please tell me its something easy
00:25 < jb1277976> puffybuf: you need to put stuff in .Xresources
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00:26 < puffybuf> yea I get that, then I run xrdb -merge .Xresources to get changes accepted
00:27 < jb1277976> puffybuf: yep
00:27 < jb1277976> puffybuf: https://dpaste.org/g1KB7 here is a start
00:27 < puffybuf> I've been using wayland for the past... many years... I did X stuff like 15 years ago
00:27 < jb1277976> when i was on freebsd using another window manager i used that it looked nice
00:27 < jb1277976> oh i don't know about wayland sorry puffybuf 
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00:31 < jb1277976> puffybuf: do you like wayland ?
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00:31 < jb1277976> never tried it.. i heard it wasn't ready for prime time yet
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00:35 < puffybuf> I like wayland with swaywm tiling window manager.
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00:36 < puffybuf> wayland is the default for gnome linux now
00:37 < vortexx> puffybuf: there's st and roxterm and rxvt in packages.
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00:42 < puffybuf> oh it can do freetype fonts with xterm -fa terminus
00:42 < puffybuf> I'm trying to get the base xterm to work for me
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00:46 < ssm_> st's performance was terrible for me. rxvt-unicode is pretty good though, and the only terminal I'd consider using over base xterm at the moment if you need its features. alacritty and kitty are gpu accelerated, but I don't know what that means since I think xlib uses glx already...?
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00:48 < ssm_> Something to do with the glyph rendering, but I don't know what the usecase is since I've never had issues with glyph rendering performance in xterm, even in fullscreen curses programs
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00:51 < thrig> for silly games rxvt-unicode is good, if you're spraying lots of characters at a terminal
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00:52 < systemdsucks> I like zutty
00:52 < systemdsucks> also gpu accelerated
00:54 < ssm_> thrig: interesting. I've only experinced worse performance with rxvt compared to xterm (cataclysm-dda, both using line fonts); but that was several years ago.
00:57 < thrig> xterm had worse performance than rxvt for https://metacpan.org/dist/Game-Xomb/view/bin/xomb where I'm doing very inefficient things
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06:59 < tercal> Hi
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07:04 < militantorc> hello
07:05 < militantorc> does wayland exist on bsd oses
07:10 < IcePic> yes, but slightly less on obsd than fbsd from what I understand
07:10 < sir-photch> https://openbsd.app/?search=wayland
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07:13 < militantorc> theoretically if linux distros start forcing wayland before bsds are ready for it, and as a result most DEs/WMs and gui software switches to wayland moving forward, and supposing openbsd isn't ready at that time, would desktop be discarded?
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07:18 < IcePic> no, desktop would use the last working x11 code
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07:20 < militantorc> I meant in the theoretical possiblity that a lot of the gui programs abandon X due to momentum of majaor linux distros discarding X
07:20 < militantorc> such as gnome, firefox etc no longer having x versions
07:21 < rnkn> well that's weird, calendar(1) doesn't support one-off events, whereas macOS calendar(1) does
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07:21 < IcePic> then (just like devuan dist without systemd) you get to run the last non-broken version until someone either invents a shim layer (some kind of way2X11) or until wayland is working on bsd
07:22 < militantorc> Thanks, thats what I wanted clarity on
07:22 < militantorc> Because I have a feeling wayland shall be prematurely forced
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07:52 < IcePic> it was the same when x11/xorg started requiring 3D cards, lots of old stuff had 2D-only gfx chips
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08:16 < IcePic> then came mesa and helped run 3d->2d with cpu so you can see pixels at least
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09:09 < unpx> Hello there, I guess ``pkg_add -u'' is now hitting some exponential thing or I dunno what I broke. I just upgraded to 76-stable and I'm running updates. It prompt a long list of packages separated by `+' and at certain point say ``Detected loop, merging sets ok''
09:11 < unpx> https://unpx.net/tmp/pkg_add_u_loop is an extract
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09:13 < IcePic> just let it run
09:13 < unpx> https://unpx.net/tmp/pkg_add_u_loop.txt *
09:13 < unpx> IcePic: okay
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09:48 < op2> unpx: that's normal when a package that has lots of dependencies gets updated (i'd guess python in this case)
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11:10 < unpx> ImageMagick had a lot of things, op2 
11:10 < unpx> Still running, now doing kf6 stuff
11:11 < unpx> I'm guessing that uni firewall is also slowing down my connections... yikes
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11:42 < seninha> Hi, I'm getting a "Libraries in packing-lists...and libraries from installed don't match" error while `make package`ing a port for 2 days. I have updated both my /usr/ports and the installed packages. The package in question is "--W glib-2.0.4201.13 +-W glib-2.0.4201.13".
11:42 < seninha> I suppose the snapshot repo is out-of-date.
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11:44 < seninha> "+-glib-2.0.4201.12"*
11:44 < seninha> May setting PKG_CREATE_NO_CHECKS be safe considering it's just a minor version number?
11:45 < IcePic> Or perhaps just wait for new packages
11:46 < seninha> i waited 2 days xP
11:47 < seninha> meh, gonna set it
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13:23 < vortexx> ok got round to emailing bugs@ for the qemu-system-sparc64 issue
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16:13 < jb1277976> Is there a guide to update the system or keep it up to date ? like debian has sudo apt update && sudo upgrade and arch got pacman -Syu ?
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16:15 < avemestr> jb1277976: syspatch and sysupgrade.
16:15 < sibiria> syspatch (update system)
16:15 < sibiria> pkg_add -u (update packages)
16:15 < sibiria> fw_update (update firmware)
16:16 < avemestr> jb1277976: Sorry, I meant: man syspatch and man sysupgrade.
16:16 < jb1277976> just run those commands independant of each other ?
16:16 < sibiria> it's what i do, in that exact order
16:16 < jb1277976> ok
16:16 < sibiria> syspatch always first, because it may update things relating to pkg tools and the firmware updater
16:17 < avemestr> I'd recommend reading about them first instead of copy pasting commands from randos on the internet. So it's not "just".
16:17 < sibiria> yeah, randos on the internet
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16:17 < sibiria> those three could be "hack commands"
16:17 < sibiria> but do refer to the man pages if you need customized behavior
16:18 < avemestr> sibiria: Or somebody else might suggest he just run "rm -rf". So I think it's a good idea to encourage researching commands before "just running" them the first time.
16:19 < thrig> an eye on the man page isn't terrible to do
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16:21 < sibiria> then we best not suggest running "man anything". if the bar is set as low as not knowing what "rm -rf" would do, then "man" is likely not gonna make the cut either
16:22 < sibiria> thankfully jb1277976 demonstrated plenty of basic *nix know-how the past few days
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16:23 < phy1729> sibiria: clearly we should link to https://man.openbsd.org/man to break the cycle /s
16:24 < avemestr> sibiria: He asked for guides, so if you want to be pedantic "man syspatch" is actually a better answer than "syspatch".
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16:25 < thrig> someone once had a "developer do" command line for access to Apple developer goodies
16:26 < sibiria> no, YOU are being pedantic :) i gave practical and functional examples
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16:26 < oldlaptop> And you didn't even say to do pkg_add -uU.
16:26 < oldlaptop> Could be worse!
16:27 < sibiria> we'll cover -U for him or her when it comes to installing new stuff
16:27 < oldlaptop> No, no, I saw on $random_wrong_website that you need -Uu to updating the things.
16:28 < oldlaptop> <sibiria> syspatch always first, because it may update things relating to pkg tools and the firmware updater
16:28 < oldlaptop> On that subject, it's a good idea to read the errata page first.
16:28 < sibiria> "calomel.org said to do it"
16:28 < oldlaptop> "the handbook"
16:28 < thrig> openbsd isn't for people who don't like walls of text
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16:29 < oldlaptop> you know, one of the really distinctive points about openbsd documentation, IMO, compared to other high-quality software documentation, is relative terseness
16:29 < oldlaptop> relatively low text-walls
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16:30 < oldlaptop> (and it's moved notably in that direction in the last little while. The FAQ seems a *lot* smaller these days.)
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16:30 < oldlaptop> Partly I suppose that's a function of striving to have relatively small amounts of things to document. (doas versus sudo, et al ad nauseum)
16:31 < sibiria> i think some of the linux dist "EULAs" are longer than the openbsd installer output
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16:33 < thrig> oh yeah I found a small ttf font for a game, and the license text was larger than the font file
16:33 < sibiria> how have we strayed so far from God's light?
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16:33 < sibiria> lawyers...what a bunch of bastards
16:35 < oldlaptop> oblig.: the Internet Association of Bastards threatens legal action over this defamatory statement
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16:36 < miah> man pages in openbsd are fantastic compared to a lot of the pages i end up reading in Linux.
16:36 < miah> the terseness has been fantasic. straight and to the point
16:37 < pardis> I normally use OpenBSD man pages for basic Unix tools on Linux
16:37 < pardis> I keep a checkout of the OpenBSD git repo for that purpose
16:37 < pardis> OpenBSD sed(1) is much more practical than GNU sed(1), for example
16:39 < klsrqm> mind there are sometimes small discrepancies 
16:39 < klsrqm> like my Fedora install can understand `date -Idate` while OpenBSD can't
16:39 < thrig> sed and awk man pages weren't very good, you were supposed to read some book or pdf or something
16:40 < avemestr> klsrqm: Sometimes quite large differences too.
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16:41 < avemestr> klsrqm: E.g. grep.
16:42 < klsrqm> oh, interesting, haven't clocked
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16:43 < pardis> the differences between the tools are often much less significant than the difference in the quality of documentation
16:43 < pardis> but yes, one must bear in mind that not everything will apply
16:44 < avemestr> Yes. The GNU grep man page includes among other differences a small treatise on regular expressions for example.
16:45 < thrig> you could instead put that in re_format(7) or something
16:46 < avemestr> Yes. I don't know why the GNU people decided to include it in the man for grep.
16:47 < avemestr> The OpenBSD one says it's possible to use regexes and include re_format under SEE ALSO. As it should.
16:47 < pardis> likely because GNU is a bunch of tools that sometimes calls itself a complete system
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16:47 < pardis> it's perfectly cromulent to download and build GNU grep by itself on some non-GNU platform, and maybe they wanted complete docs in that case
16:48 < phy1729> Unless they don't use regexec, then the docs are wrong.
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17:09 < Bradipo> martian67: So, I installed CUPS and it's not able to print to my Epson WF-3820.  So much for CUPS and IPP making printing easy.
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17:11 < miah> in linux (or gnu), sed & awk probably had good _info_ pages and thats why they had bad man pages. gnu had some weird thing about info pages for a while.
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17:12 < Bradipo> Have they given up on info pages?  That would be a blessing!
17:12 < miah> i don't know but i hope so?
17:13 < miah> considering that most people don't even now what a info page is i'd hope so
17:13 < miah> +know
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17:15 < Foxy_> jb1277976: a good guide by pitrh@ to update/keep up to date your OpenBSD system => https://nxdomain.no/~peter/openbsd_installed_now_for_the_daily_tasks.html
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17:19 < jb1277976> Thanks Foxy_ bookmarked!
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17:35 < betabug> Bradipo: the secret to making printing easy is to buy a printer that does PostScript and networking
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17:37 < betabug> then you can simply use lpd and skip the whole CUPS drama
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17:40 < Bradipo> betabug: Oh yes, I know that for sure.
17:40 < Bradipo> I've been an HP fan for a long time.  But I needed a cheap printer quick because mine died, so I picked up something that I had hoped would continue to work.
17:41 < Bradipo> My older Epson did work fine using the epson-inject-printer-escpr driver...
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17:41 < thrig> HP is more about PCL than good postscript support
17:41 < Bradipo> But the new Epson requires the newer driver and it won't compile on OpenBSD.
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17:42 < Bradipo> Well, at this point, I'll take suggestions for a *good* PostScript printer.
17:42 < betabug> brother is where it's at
17:42 < Bradipo> I had a Brother 25 years ago.
17:42 < Bradipo> Maybe I should look into Brother again?
17:42 < betabug> yepp
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17:42 < Bradipo> Do they have color printer that take PostScript?
17:43 < betabug> dunno, I just got a b&w laser for the few times that I actually need something printed out
17:43 < betabug> which is so rare that I fear inkjet ink would just be dried out again
17:43 < Bradipo> Yeah, I've had that problem too.
17:44 < Bradipo> Here's the error I get when trying to compile the newer epson-inkjet-printer-escpr2: https://clbin.com/l8U48
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17:44 < avemestr> Bradipo: I've had great success with a color laser Brother multi-function thingie on OpenBSD.
17:44 < Bradipo> I suspect it's because they are shipping .a files that only work with Linux rather than giving me the source to compile them myself.
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17:46 < avemestr> Bradipo: Model is mfc-l8690cdw (but others probably have same feature set). It is also able to scan to SFTP, so you can setup an account on a NAS or your computer and have scans going into a folder on that.
17:46 < Bradipo> Scan SFTP using SSH key?
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17:47 < avemestr> Password, IIRC.
17:47 < Bradipo> avemestr: How does it do for photo printing?
17:48 < avemestr> It's more of a small office kinda printer. I haven't tried using photo paper and don't know if it does that.
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17:48 < Bradipo> At any rate, my immediate problem is to figure out how to print from OpenBSD to this IPP thingy.
17:49 < Bradipo> ipptool returns the following supported documents:
17:49 < Bradipo> document-format-supported (1setOf mimeMediaType) = application/octet-stream,image/pwg-raster,image/urf,image/jpeg,application/vnd.epson.escpr
17:49 < Bradipo> Converting PS to JPEG is terrible, so that's not really an option.
17:50 < Bradipo> I haven't found anything that will convert PS to image/pwg-raster or image/urf.  And application/vnd.epson.escpr isn't an option because I cannot get the new epson-escpr-wrapper2 to compile.
17:51 < betabug> ghostscript convert to some image and imagemagick to the format that you need?
17:51 < betabug> but I fear it won't look really nice
17:51 < Bradipo> Well, I already tried converting to JPEG.
17:51 < Bradipo> It looks not very nice.
17:51 < Bradipo> e.g. I used: cat file.ps | pstopnm | pnmtojp | send-to-printer
17:51 < Bradipo> Oops, that should be pnmtojpeg
17:52 < Bradipo> I even used pnmtojpeg --quality 100, and it was still not good.
17:52 < Bradipo> But it seems image/urf and image/pwg-raster are proprietary.
17:52 < Bradipo> I guess I should contact Epson Support.
17:53 < Bradipo> Ask them why they short-changed OpenBSD with the epson-inject-printer-escpr2 when the previous driver worked fine on OpenBSD.
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17:56 < sibiria> do it with gimp?
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17:56 < sibiria> so you can see precisely what you have, and control exactly how to export it
17:56 < vortexx> I can second Brother colour laser printers for postscript
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18:32 < jb1277976> How can i make cwm restart the x server when i press CMS-q ? for some reason it goes to blank screen and i can't do anything but hard power boot
18:32 < deimosBSD> I can third Brother color laser printers for postscript and printing over usb
18:33 < betabug> jb1277976: have you set up the key for the "restart" function?
18:34 < jb1277976> i have this in .xsession hsetroot -tile ~/Pictures/1.jpg
18:34 < jb1277976> yep CMS-r reload
18:34 < pardis> cwm shouldn't be able to restart the X server, since the server should be started as root
18:34 < jb1277976> oh restart ? let me look
18:35 < pardis> it will only exit, and from there your .xsession should also exit
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18:35 < betabug> I guess you want to restart cwm, not all of X
18:36 < jb1277976> bind-key CMS-r restart
18:36 < betabug> don't see "reload" in the man page
18:36 < jb1277976> betabug: i want to go back to login screen
18:36 < betabug> aha
18:37 < betabug> perhaps that's "quit"?
18:37 < jb1277976> bind-key CMS-q quit
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18:42 < jb1277976> can i kill -HUP something ?
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18:47 < klsrqm> Hmmm... It seems that rolling back to the snapshot five days ago fixed my USB device woes
18:47 < betabug> I have no key configured for this, but shit-alt-control-q just killed cwm and by result logged me out
18:47 < klsrqm> As well as the crashes I was experiencing
18:48 < betabug> seems to be a default key combo
18:50 < betabug> yupp, it's in the man page
18:51 < betabug> I need to set up less for case insensitive searching by default
18:51 < vortexx> jb1277976: if ctrl-alt-F1 works to get to console, do that then login and do rcctl restart xenodm, that'll restart X for you
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18:52 < betabug> ctrl-alt-shift Q works for me
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18:57 < jb1277976> vortexx: that worked.. betabug that takes me to a blank screen where i have to hard reboot
18:57 < betabug> that sounds like something is not right
18:57 < jb1277976> yep
18:59 < betabug> and it doesn't sound like it's something that you can change with cwm setup
18:59 < jb1277976> so wierd
19:00 < jb1277976> let me test with startx/xinit
19:02 < jb1277976> betabug: works with startx i can go back to the console when pressing cms+q
19:02 < jb1277976> so wierd
19:03 < sibiria> but then again, your configuration is a bit weird and not inline with what's recommended for openbsd and xenocara
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19:04 < jb1277976> probably cause i'm testing it still using the default config and binding stuff
19:04 < sibiria> xenodm + .xsession is the way, not startx + .xinitrc
19:05 < Bradipo> So, I've been able to get somewhat decent output from the printer just using my own shell script filter with lpr/lpd.
19:06 < Bradipo> Basically my printcap file has :if=/path/to/filter
19:06 < sibiria> jb1277976: enable xenodm at boot (rcctl enable xenodm), move your stuff from .xinitrc to .xsession and make the file executable and put a shebang in it, then see what happens
19:06 < sibiria> also make sure in /etc/ttys that ttyC4 is "off" and that at least ttyC0 is "on"
19:07 < jb1277976> sibiria: i used startx/.xinitrc to test if the cms-q worked.. it took me back to the console.. when i did cms-q with xsession it took me to a blank screen and xendodm i forgot how to spell it does't relog me in
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19:08 < Bradipo> So much for CUPS and IPP being useful.
19:08 < Bradipo> At least I've found that I can write my own "filter" using ipptool.
19:08 < sibiria> jb1277976: and, as was mentioned to you yesterday, some thinkpads have a BIOS/EFI setting that make F1-F12 by default behave not as F1-F12 but as the controls instead (volume, backlight etc.)
19:09 < sibiria> and there will be an option that reverts that, so you have F1-F12 normally, and the controls by first holding the "fn" button on the keyboard
19:09 < sibiria> i can imagine this annoyance getting in the way of you wanting to switch consoles with ctrl+alt+F1-F12
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19:09 < jb1277976> yep
19:09 < jb1277976> let me go into my bios
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19:11 < sibiria> on my thinkpad it's in Config -> Keyboard/Mouse -> "F1-F12 as primary function". you want that thing ENABLED
19:12 < sibiria> and you want "Fn sticky key" DISABLED, if you happen to have that option
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19:17 < jb1277976> Got it..thanks sibiria fn+alt and whatever f1-f12 key works to get into a tty
19:17 < jb1277976> i had to change it in the bios
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19:20 < vortexx> zayd: were you able to file a bug with the qemu project?
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19:21 < vortexx> jb1277976: try upping limits in /etc/login.conf for staff user, might help with the hard locking.
19:21 < Bradipo> Except... ipptool doesn't support reading from stdin, so that makes it hard to use as a filter.  Bah.
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19:27 < jb1277976> vortexx: this one ?
19:27 < jb1277976> xenodm: \ openfiles=512 ?
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19:30 < vortexx> jb1277976: no, staff, the entry below default at the top of the file. Multiply by 4 most of the values usually helps a lot
19:31 < vortexx> (when using GNOME I need to boost these or I get input lag)
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19:35 < pardis> that will only help if your user is actually in the staff login class (which will be the case if you created the user in the installer)
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20:30 < Bradipo> Hahaha who needs CUPS anyway: https://clbin.com/MhSEd
20:31 < Bradipo> Works using the :of=/path/to/filter directive in /etc/printcap.
20:31 < Bradipo> Kind of stinks that ipptool doesn't read from stdin.
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21:11 < deimosBSD> glad to see i'm not the only paranoid that uses this setup, https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2024-10-19-my-admin-workstation.html
21:12 < deimosBSD> except I go one further by using a unique ssh key for each host under administration
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21:47 < idjit91> Can anyone help me with relayd? It's not modifying my headers like I'd like it to and I'm not sure where I'm screwing up. httpd.conf: https://pomf2.lain.la/f/918khuxb.conf -- relayd.conf: https://pomf2.lain.la/f/rwfseipt.txt -- log with `relayd -vvvd` casted: https://pomf2.lain.la/f/1wb8ycuw.txt
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22:07 < byteskeptical> idjit91: what exactly are you trying to do?
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22:10 < idjit91> byteskeptical: I am trying to modify the headers that the user receives.
22:11 < idjit91> For example, I want to cast `curl -I $domain | grep Strict-Transport-Security` and have it return `Strict-Transport-Security: max-age=31536001`
22:11 < byteskeptical> idjit91: ok but which one in the context of the relayd conf you shared
22:12 < idjit91> Honestly, a lot of them. There's a whole list in the relayd.conf file. None of these things are changed (see lines 37 to 94)
22:12 < byteskeptical> are you sure your hitting relayd?
22:12 < byteskeptical> and not httpd
22:13 < idjit91> I'm not entirely sure. However, if I create an issue by changing line 104 to `$ext` instead of `$local` I am not able to access the website, which leads me to think that I am hitting relayd.
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22:14 < byteskeptical> well your $local is localhost or 127.0.0.1 specifically and that wouldn't normally be what you hit from an outside or even ip:443 curl 
22:15 < byteskeptical> you seem to have port conflicts between httpd and relayd which is probably why $ext is not working for you
22:17 < byteskeptical> idjit91: in httpd.conf switch all your listen statments to use $local and pick an alternative port for 443 like 8443
22:18 < idjit91> Ok, I did that. Reset everything and now I'm getting this `curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate`
22:20 < byteskeptical> then update your relayd conf to use $ext and 443 for listen and 8443 for the forward
22:21 < idjit91> I'm getting the same error
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22:24 < byteskeptical> idjit91: sorry if using the a tls port on httpd you have to had 'with tls' to the forward statement in relayd
22:24 < kodcode> how can I stop chrome from changing white_balance_temperature from "auto" to "4600" on my webcam? only chrome does that, not firefox..
22:24 < byteskeptical> s/had/add
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22:25 < wickedshell> Has anyone gotten a working (cross or not) compiler for go on the Octeon target? I can find some commits to go years ago that claimed support for OpenBSD/mips64 but that's not a valid target on my x86 linux machine, and it's not something I can install from on the device that I've found.
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22:31 < byteskeptical> wickedshell: your trying to cross compile go from x86 to octeon?
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22:32 < wickedshell> byteskeptical: yeah, I'd be happy to compile on target (it would actually be my preference), but it's not something I can install from pkg_add, and I haven't been able to find a binary anywhere
22:32 < wickedshell> I've thought about trying to bootstrap the entire toolchain on target, but I was hoping to skip that....
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22:37 < vortexx> sparc64 on qemu continuation: what's the likelyhood of being able to boot the install cd, mount the harddrive partitions and chroot to it, then download source code and compile a kernel? Would there be enough resources configured to be able to do that?
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22:38 < vortexx> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-bugs&m=172980769606197&w=2
22:38 < byteskeptical> wickedshell: sorry bud not familar with any qbit may be a good person to ask
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22:41 < idjit91> I'll fiddle with this off and on for the next couple of hours. Thank you for your input, byteskeptical.
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22:48 < wickedshell> byteskeptical: no worries
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