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02:45 < emmanuelux> hello in pf.conf, queue bandwith seems to be limited to about 4000M, if I set more, it displays incorrect numbers in systat queue
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02:59 < byteskeptical> emmanuelux: you can try adjusting net.inet.ip.maxqueue
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03:29 < lts> Setting net.inet.ip.maxqueue from 300 to 9000 doesn't seem to have an effect - the queue bandwidth maximum still flips to zero at 2^32-1 bps. FreeBSD fixed this on their PF at https://reviews.freebsd.org/D16782
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03:33 < dlg> sounds like a fun little project you could hack on
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06:55 < IcePic> emmanuelux: probably a 32bit integer holding the bits-per-sec value
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14:22 < TaelTydes> hey folks, I was having a crack at using ndb to keep a list of ports to install & have managed to lock the pkgdb. I've had a look at related code in source but I'm not sure how best to go about this. 
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16:22 < vortexx> what's a big driver I could remove from GENERIC on sparc64?
16:23 < thrig> dmesg (if you have that) can be parsed for what drivers actually are extant
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16:33 < vortexx> I guess anything gpu would be eligible for removal
16:33 < vortexx> thanks
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16:58 < oldlaptop> if it builds amdgpu, that'd be a pretty obvious target
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16:59 < oldlaptop> (more so than other GPU stuff)
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18:11 < vortexx> yeah I'm just trying to see if I can trim down GENERIC so that qemu-system-sparc64 boots -current GENERIC
18:11 < vortexx> turns out checking out cvs from a chroot in bsd.rd isn't great
18:11 < vortexx> hangs the VM
18:12 < vortexx> pulling it in on an amd64 VM and going to download it off that
18:12 < vortexx> I'm having many doubts I'll be able to compile but we'll see
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18:15 < vortexx> if that doesn't work... I don't know how to cross compile and it's not encouraged. So the risky route is trying to compile in 7.2, the last release that'll boot
18:15 < vortexx> and yes I'm fully aware that's not supported either, binary compability not being ensured between releases and all that
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18:23 < mischief> i wonder why cross compiling continues to be discouraged. clang certainly supports it well, unlike how gcc used to be
18:24 < thrig> a) inertia b) self-hosting is a goal
18:24 < thrig> c) lack of resources d) other
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18:25 < uwharrie> also it's fragile and no one wants to deal with the support requests
18:27 < phy1729> aiui compiling a release is a good stress test to make sure the platform actually works
18:34 < klsrqm> can i get a vowel?
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18:38 < miah>  e!
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18:43 < ym> Hi. My ISP doesn't provide IPv6 /64 subnet as is meant to, it serves only 1-2 IPv6 addresses for PPPoE interface. So I need NAT66. The rule in my pf.conf:
18:43 < ym> match out log on egress inet6 from !(egress:network) to any nat-to (egress) label nat66
18:43 < ym> I thought it will do the thing, but when trying to ping v6 internets from LAN I'm getting "Beyond scope of source address" messages.
18:44 < ym> I have very poor understanding of IPv6 but I thinkg there is something about routing. Maybe someone can say on a first glance what should I try next?
18:46 < ym> Tried rad, BTW, but IIUIC, it asks for routes from ISP router and latter doesn't want to deal with my LAN.
18:46 < lts> I'll be that guy and comment that for most ipv6 problems, the best solution is to abandon the failed protocol and its failed implementations
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18:48 < vortexx> ym: you shouldn't need NAT64, just pass the IPv6 traffic as your /64 should fully routable
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18:49 < vortexx> assign your lan addresses from the /64 and of course give the router's internal interface(s) an address from that block too
18:49 < lts> Isn't NAT66 exactly what's needed when your ISP gives you /64 only?
18:49 < vortexx> lts: not really, I have a /64 and just pass the traffic through
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18:50 < lts> Doesn't that imply a flat network?
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18:50 < vortexx> to translate this to IPv4 thinking, you're getting a routable IP for the pppoe address but also a block of routable addresses for the lan
18:51 < vortexx> vs RFC1918 addresses requiring NAT
18:51 < vortexx> lts: what's a "flat network" ?
18:52 < lts> Flat network is where you have all your hosts in a single network, being able to connect to each other without going through a router
18:52 < lts> contra e.g. VLANs
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18:53 < vortexx> yeah it could be implied but is there a problem cutting up a /64 into smaller segments if you need vlans?
18:54 < vortexx> (no I haven't tried this, but so long as everything routes normally and pf can handle things...)
18:54 < thrig> SLAAC kinda wants /64
18:54 < lts> SLAAC was my initial thought as well
18:55 < vortexx> I like fixed IPs on my lan for IPv6
18:55 < vortexx> especially for reverse DNS
18:55 < vortexx> mh, cvs may have been working after all... I got the console back after ftp finished downloading the src.tgz
18:56 < vortexx> I really should be using tmux
18:57 < thrig> tmux is a good default to avoid hindsight problems
18:58 < vortexx> especially in bsd.rd
18:58 < vortexx> well if it works in bsd.rd, chrooted into install
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18:58 < thrig> especially if you only have that one serial connection
18:58 < vortexx> that's the case
18:58 < vortexx> my laptop is cooking up
18:59 < vortexx> might have to move all this over to the homelab server, but let's see if I manage
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19:12 < vortexx> wd0(pciide0:0:0): timeout <-- oh dear...
19:13 < vortexx> (trying to untar src.tgz
19:13 < vortexx> )
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19:43 < ym> ISP doesn't gives me /64, that's the problem.
19:45 < vortexx> tmux: getptmfd: Device not configured <--- well that's a shame
19:45 < ym> Well, subnet is /64, but ISP's router passes only those IPs which it gave to PPPoE.
19:45 < vortexx> ym: I misread, sorry
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20:32 < vortexx> ok, removed radeon, all of usb, all of scsi (I'm uside IDE for wd*), that should trim the kernel down considerably
20:33 < vortexx> been a good 20+ years since I compiled a kernel, used to have to for RAIDframe
20:38 < ssm_> I removed amdgpu(4) and still noticed no significant decrease in boot time. kernel binary was 2/3rds the usual size though.
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20:39 < thrig> I used to have a script to automate removing of unused devices
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20:40 < vortexx> no amdgpu on sparc64, luckily :P
20:41 < vortexx> thrig: yeah that'd have been handy
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20:48 < puffybuf> so I try to open a file in firefox and the dialog box has height 2105525 and I cant tile it down. is there no way to shrink this window
20:49 < puffybuf> Gdk-WARNING Native windows wider or taller than 32767 pixels are not supported
20:51 < Bradipo> Hahaha, that's when I like to have a WM that allows me to press meta/mod4 and a mouse movement to scale the window.
20:51 < Bradipo> Then it doesn't matter if the bottom/top (where the handles to grab the window) might be off screen.
20:51 < Bradipo> Or meta/mod4+left to move the entire window.
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20:54 < puffybuf> gonna have to change my WM
20:54  * ssm_ hands puffybuf a www/links+, a www/badwolf, and a { pkg_delete firefox }
20:54 < puffybuf> I tried doing M-mouse 3 to scale it only lets me change width
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20:58 < Bradipo> Can you use M-mouse 1 to move the window up/down?
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22:01 < smol-hors> which password manager do you recommend using on openbsd?
22:01 < sibiria> i use keepassxc, because it runs on macOS, openbsd, linux etc.
22:02 < Everything> smol-hors: I once used plain text file + vim + gpg
22:02 < Everything> or emacs + org-mode + gpg
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22:03 < smol-hors> all right. yeah, I've seen a few suggestions for keepassxc here and there.
22:03 < sibiria> keepassxc also integrates with most browsers, if one wants to install such addons for convenience
22:03 < smol-hors> cool
22:03 < sibiria> and it has a cli version, too, if that's ever needed
22:05  * vortexx likes how compiling a kernel is taking at least as long as it did in 2002
22:05 < vortexx> thanks sparc64 UltraIIi
22:05 < vortexx> qemu must be emulating at exact speed :P
22:05 < ssm_> smol-hors: my password manager is ~/Account/some-domain.tld/{login,pass.enc}    decrypt with openssl(1).
22:07 < smol-hors> but how do you generate them?
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22:07 < ssm_> password generator I wrote myself
22:07 < smol-hors> ok
22:08 < seninha> Hi, i'm writing a port for a program that depends on the static library built by another port (which does not build the respective shared lib). I am specifying the dependency on LIB_DEPENDS; but portcheck(1) asks whether that entry is needed. Am i doing ok; is LIB_DEPENDS the right place? (I am supposing that portcheck is reporting a false negative)
22:09 < vortexx> sibiria: what's your fastest sparc64 gear that'll run OpenBSD?
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22:10 < sibiria> smol-hors: dd if=/dev/random bs=1 count=24 | openssl base64
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22:10 < sibiria> vortexx: i don't own any such hardware
22:11 < sibiria> or openssl rand -base64 123
22:11 < sibiria> should work too
22:11 < sibiria> maybe fewer than 123 characters for the sake of sanity
22:13 < ssm_> smol-hors: https://gotweb.howdoesmycode.work/?action=tree&path=pwgen if you're curious in my bad C code
22:13 < smol-hors> heh. ty, ty.
22:14 < smol-hors> hmm, generating passwords with rand()?
22:14 < ssm_> I told you it was bad
22:15 < smol-hors> :P
22:15 < bombuzal> lol
22:15 < sibiria> best stick to "openssl rand" :p
22:15  * ssm_ prods system()
22:15 < bombuzal> I've seen far worse, ssm_ :3
22:15  * bombuzal smacks smol-hors 
22:16 < sibiria> <debian> int rand() { return 4; }
22:16 < sibiria> 4 is a perfectly cromulent random number
22:17 < thrig> openbsd rand breaks with posix and gets a random seed, which one might break with a srand(time()) call
22:18 < ssm_> I rand `openssl rand 64` and my terminal stopped taking input and I had to kill it :>
22:18 < lucas> seninha: it should be a BDEP, not an LDEP, because it's a static lib.
22:18 < sibiria> ssm_: add -base64 :)
22:18 < lucas> it won't make it into WANTLIBs and that's why portcheck complains
22:18 < lucas> I believe
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22:18 < thrig> oh the rand() is for portability
22:18 < ssm_> thrig: manpage just says it's a noop on openbsd I believe
22:19 < ssm_> srand that is
22:19 < thrig> http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/random-in-the-wild
22:19 < sibiria> an unfortunate change, imo. a reproducible PRNG is a very important tool
22:20 < lucas> ssm_: you probably don't want to pledge(NULL, NULL)
22:21 < sibiria> smol-hors: for the record, keepassxc also has a random password generator
22:21 < smol-hors> yeah :p
22:22 < ssm_> lucas: why not?
22:22 < lucas> bc that's a noop
22:22 < sibiria> i've never used it, i only use openssl for it, but i'm sure the keepassxc people know what they're doing
22:22 < ssm_> lucas: oh, it should be "" instead of NULL?
22:22 < lucas> yes
22:22 < lucas> and even so, no
22:23 < lucas> you print
22:23 < ssm_> so stdio?
22:23 < lucas> so "" isn't enough. You can only _exit(2) with "".
22:23 < seninha> lucas, thanks
22:23 < lucas> ssm_: "stdio" is probably enough
22:24 < seninha> I thought LIB_DEPENDS adds into BUILD_DEPENDS and (depending on WANTLIB) RUN_DEPENDS as well.
22:24 < ssm_> yup, pledge gets violated with just ""
22:24 < ssm_> I was wondering why NULL worked, didn't realize it was a no-op; thanks
22:24 < Bradipo> For random passwords, I just use apg (from packages).
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22:25 < lucas> tr -cd +/0-9A-Za-z </dev/urandom | dd bs=1 count=$desired_length
22:25 < lucas> add whatever char you want to have a chance to have to +/0-9A-Za-z
22:28 < vortexx> sibiria: no worries, I must have misremembered
22:29 < sibiria> i have a nintendo 64 somewhere, if that helps
22:29  * sibiria lol
22:30 < Everything> cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc 'a-zA-Z0-9!"#$%&()*+,-./:;<=>?[\]^_`{|}~' | fold -w 16 | head -n 1
22:30 < Everything> edit tr option if you want
22:31 < Bradipo> Haha, I'm glad someone else uses fold(1)
22:31 < Everything> Bradipo: I copypasted this partially, from somewhere
22:32 < thrig> needs more cat for extra inefficiency
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22:35 < Bradipo> I'm trying to figure out "tr -cd"...
22:35 < Bradipo> -c is the same as -C which is "complement".
22:35 < Bradipo> And -d is "delete" characters.
22:35 < Bradipo> Is the net effect to delete everything except the named characters?
22:36 < Everything> Bradipo: yes
22:36 < Bradipo> Ok, I've never used -c before, so this is great.
22:37 < Bradipo> Now that I see it, I can think of more efficient ways to use tr than I have in the past.
22:40 < Bradipo> sibiria: It's only an unfortunate change for those who truly want a reproducible (aka synchronized) PRNG.
22:40 < Bradipo> Most people calling rand() probably do not.
22:40 < vortexx> sibiria: that's mips64 :P
22:41 < sibiria> simulation software is plenty
22:44 < thrig> simulation is probably going to use a better RNG than something from 3 AT&T UNIX
22:45 < sibiria> possibly, but some implementations of rand() have excellent distribution and periodicity
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22:49 < ssm_> I'm guessing if I want actually good portable rand in C I'm going to want to use libssl, not rand()
22:50 < sibiria> or pretty much any prng but with an external influence
22:50 < sibiria> passwords don't need to be cryptographically secure. they just need to be long and unpredictably pseudorandom
22:50 < ssm_> actually, does libbsd have arc4random_uniform? <_<
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22:52 < ssm_> the answer is yes, in bsd/stdlib.h. I guess I could use that instead of libssl
22:53 < ssm_> which probably just uses libssl anyways
22:53 < Bradipo> Is libbsd some kind of portable library with BSDisms?
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22:53 < ssm_> yup
22:54 < thrig> for portability I usually read bytes off /dev/urandom
22:55 < thrig> libsodium also probably has suitable portability calls
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23:01 < vortexx> damn it, kernel crashed qemu
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23:02 < oldlaptop> qemu erratum: malicious kernels may cause a denial of service
23:03 < oldlaptop> <sibiria> an unfortunate change, imo. a reproducible PRNG is a very important tool
23:03 < oldlaptop> so important you can't count on the standardized names to provide it
23:04 < oldlaptop> the problem with rand() isn't just that people misunderstand it to be a random number generator, it's that too many implementations are shitty as deterministic PRNGs
23:05 < oldlaptop> if you care about your portability *and* your linear-congruential PRNGs, you pretty much need to break down and carry those ten or twenty lines with you
23:06 < thrig> the one from rogue (3.6.3) has trouble doing coinflips
23:07 < sibiria> OS X' rand() was MT at one point, ranrot-b at another point. not sure what current macOS uses
23:07 < vortexx> new kerneL: 5.4M Oct 25 22:15 bsd
23:07 < vortexx> old kernel : 11.4M Oct 25 18:13 obsd
23:08 < vortexx> maybe it's not kernel size the issue
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23:28 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. I recently switched self-hosting git (via gitea) from an "openbsd httpd only" way to a "openbsd httpd & relayd" way. but now whenever I try to git clone one of my repos, I get the following error:
23:28 < dfdx> SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate.
23:28 < dfdx> When I google, I get a lot of Windows-specific solutions; something about ca-bundle.crt. but I'm not sure if that's the way its solved on OpenBSD. Any pointers?
23:30 < dfdx> I am using relayd as a TLS accelerator. and navigating to my gitea repo in the browser, https://blah.com/repo.git works. Its just that the git command fails with this SSL error.
23:33 < vortexx> zayd: did you find time to file the bug with qemu?
23:34 < zayd> oh right
23:34 < zayd> where's their git repo
23:34 < zayd> gitlab.com?
23:35 < vortexx> https://www.qemu.org/contribute/report-a-bug/
23:35 < zayd> i'll need to make an image for them as they said
23:35 < zayd> so i'm doing that now
23:35 < vortexx> do a simple 5Gb one
23:35 < vortexx> one with 7.2 and one with 7.6-current I guess
23:36 < vortexx> my bsd with many drivers removed is smaller than the bsd.rd for sparc64 (5.4 vs 7.9Mb) which means something else is going on, it's not a kernel size issue
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