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00:00 < avih> anyway, at least that's one mystery solved. i think i'll just remove the "!" in my version.
00:01 < avih> and maybe upstream it some day...
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00:01 < avih> quinq: out of curiosity, do you use any git-info thing in your PS1? personally i fint it extremely helpful
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00:02 < avih> d
00:03 < avih> definitely worth the few extra ms for me on every new shell prompt
00:05 < thrig> [[ -z "$SSH_CLIENT" ]] && PS1='$ '
00:07 < ssm_> not \$?
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00:09 < avih> anyway, just in case you missed it, as of git 2.47, the upstream contrib/completion/git-prompt.sh is now compatible with most shells, including openbsh /bin/ksh (but not ksh94* because it requires "local", which is the only non-posix requirement, but most shells do support it. before i fixed the compatibility issues it was littered with bashism and only worked in bash and zsh). 
00:10 < avih> not ksh93*
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00:14 < avih> i now wonder whether mksh also has this histexpand thing in PS1. i'm guessing yes...
00:16 < avih> <quinq> “A literal ‘!’ can be put in the prompt by placing ‘!!’ in PS1.”  <- i can't find "!!" in https://man.openbsd.org/sh.1
00:17 < avih> also not in "man sh", but yes in "man ksh" ...
00:17 < avih> isn't sh ksh in openbsd?
00:18 < tux0r> it is
00:18 < avih> maybe it's more posix compliant or some such when invoked as sh?
00:18 < tux0r> from 'man sh': This version of sh is actually ksh in disguise.
00:19 < avih> but "!!" exits in man ksh, but not in man sh...
00:20 < tux0r> because, also from 'man sh': This manual page describes
00:20 < tux0r>      only the parts relevant to a POSIX compliant sh.
00:20 < tux0r> did you even read it?
00:20  * avih RTFM
00:21 < avih> not from start to finish right now. possibly at some stage in the past though.
00:21 < tux0r> well, it's even quite at the top..
00:21 < avih> i hit ^F very quickly :)
00:22 < avih> though man sh does mention "!" in PS1, just not "!!"
00:23 < ssm_> why doesn't my tmux session (started under X) import $SSH_AGENT_PID from my ~/.xsession? (normal xterms do)
00:24 < avih> hmm.. because apparently "!" in PS1 is posix. i don't think i recalled that... "Exclamation-mark expansion: The shell shall replace each instance of the <exclamation-mark> character ('!') with the history file number..."
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00:24 < avih> i guess that's a bigger incentive to upstream the GIT_DIR without "!".
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03:15 < SNAX_74> Does anyone know the default location where tarballs are loaded to on OpenBSD ?
03:15 < SNAX_74> tarballs that come from the OpenBSD repository ?
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08:35 < quinq> avih, !! in PS1 is also POSIX
08:36 < avih> yes
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08:37 < quinq> <ok thumbs up emoji>
08:37 < avih> :)
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11:17 < aljustiet> How hard is it to host email server or irc bounceer on openbsd compared to debian?
11:18 < aljustiet> Like, I want to choose openbsd as my OS on the server, but there are things emailwiz from lukesmith, which can help setup email quickly.
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11:19 < aljustiet> I bought VPS from the pq.hosting, which doesn't have openbsd installation option, but has the custom iso option.
11:19 < aljustiet> Where I can manually install openbsd.
11:21 < aljustiet> Will it make a difference if I choose a VPS that emphasizes OpenBSD as its main OS?
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11:24 < aljustiet> What VPS do you guys suggest?
11:26 < surrounder> https://openbsd.amsterdam/
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11:54 < aljustiet> Do you have any ideas why price different on different VPS? Like on pq.hosting I pay 8 EUR for 4 GB 60 GB VPS.
11:54 < aljustiet> VPS providers*?
11:54 < aljustiet> surrounder:
11:55 < surrounder> no idea
11:55 < aljustiet> Can I pay monthly on openbsd.amsterdam VPS?
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11:56 < surrounder> dunno, I do yearly
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13:04 < sibiria> aljustiet: different costs, different desire for profit
13:04 < sibiria> i use scaleway (not for openbsd anymore since their platform changes too much all the time), and oracle (openbsd runs fine)
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13:07 < sibiria> with oracle i have paid $0.00/month the past 2 years
13:08 < sibiria> that's zero dot double-zero
13:10 < avih> sibiria: how do you get a free vps with oracle?
13:12 < avih> (that sounds very not oracle to me)
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13:14 < sibiria> avih: it's part of their aggressive marketing to take shares from aws, gcp and azure
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13:14 < sibiria> they offer a few products for free. some "always free", some free for now
13:14 < avih> do you have to be a competitor client for that offer?
13:15 < sibiria> you can get an x86-64 vps with 1 core and 1 gb of ram as "always free", and you can get a total of 6 Arm64 cores and 24 gb of ram for "free for now"
13:15 < avih> link?
13:15 < sibiria> (and those 6/24 you can split on multiple VPSes if you wish)
13:15 < sibiria> https://cloud.oracle.com/
13:15 < avih> thanks
13:15 < sibiria> no you can just sign up as a private customer
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13:16 < sibiria> you will get one initial trial month with a $200 (or $2000?) allocation to try all of their products. after that your account regresses to "free tenancy" with limitations
13:17 < sibiria> you may unlock those limitations by moving to a "paid tenancy" free of charge - it's just a matter of providing a valid debit/credit card to verify billing
13:17 < sibiria> by now i have been on "paid tenancy" for $0/month since early 2023
13:18 < avih> so you either way you have to start with $200[0] ?
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13:18 < sibiria> during your first trial month, yes. it's to allow you to test all of the product catalogue. there are some limits to avoid abuse, of course
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13:19 < avih> i see. i don't want to test all their products. i want to pay nothing.
13:19 < sibiria> then you simply pay nothing :)
13:19 < avih> i do!
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13:20 < avih> (i do have the same vpf for more than 10 years now. $40/year for x86 4 cores and 4G ram. that deal is long gone, but it's perpetual)
13:20 < sibiria> if you decide to stick around with oracle, i recommend that you move to a paid tenancy. the free tenancy has some drawbacks
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13:21 < sibiria> one being that your "free tenancy" VPSes may be booted to allow room for paid tenancy users
13:21 < avih> i don't
13:21 < avih> vps*
13:21 < sibiria> all in all i'm very happy with oracle cloud. i have not had a single hiccup, network outage, host crash etc.
13:21 < sibiria> incredibly professional impression
13:22 < avih> sure. they have to
13:23 < p3s> glad to hear you're enjoys oracle cloud, i'm oracle cloud datacenter guy... but please move to competitor so i can do less work 
13:23  * ssm_ registers 200000 oracle vps's on his botfarm and runs `i=0; while [ i++ -lt $(sysctl -n hw.ncpuonline) ]; do :; done` on all of them
13:23 < ssm_> that's what you get for killing sun
13:23 < sibiria> p3s: :P
13:24 < ssm_> wait that shell scripts wrong. you get the point
13:26 < ssm_> i=0; while [ i++ -lt $(sysctl -n hw.ncpuonline) ]; do while true; do :; done & done
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13:29 < p3s> ssm_: i do cry every day i walk by cabinets with the sun logo printed on the side
13:32 < avih> dark sun
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14:47 < vortexx> dfdx: did your reinstall go smoothly?
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15:55 < dfdx> vortexx: hey, thanks for asking... i'm in the middle of it right now, will let you know soon'ish (my expectation is that the install itself is easy, it's restoring all the backups -- which includes postgresql dbs -- that's the challenge).
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16:19 < dfdx> actually... I do have a question about this.
16:19 < dfdx> my hard disk is encrypted.
16:20 < dfdx> do I need to go over the steps to encrypt it again during the installation? e.g., entering the shell during hte installation and using bioctl to setup softraid0?
16:21 < dfdx> or do I mount and unencrypt sd0 first, making, say, sd1. and then complete the installation on sd1?
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16:22 < betabug> yeah, you mount sd1
16:22 < thyssentishman> dfdx: if you backed up your whole system on that HDD, then AFAIK you don't need to reinstall the system
16:23 < thyssentishman> you probably just need to make it bootable
16:23 < dfdx> thyssentishman: this isn't a normal upgrade; I am changing the partition sizes and all sorts of things.
16:24 < dfdx> so its a clean reinstall. i've backed up everything.
16:24 < dfdx> (to a separate, encrypted disk)
16:24 < thyssentishman> ah I see
16:24 < dfdx> i'm hoping after the installation is complete I can just remount thoseo like normal.
16:24 < dfdx> betabug: thanks.
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16:58 < XFXF-100> hi. anyone knows how to solve the following errors with ospf. endpoint is a mikrotik router with router os 7
16:58 < XFXF-100> recv_db_description: dupe from neighbor ID 100.64.0.2 (vport10)
16:58 < XFXF-100> recv_db_description: neighbor ID 100.64.0.2 (vport10): seq num mismatch, bad flags
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18:33 < p3s> i have a particular keyboard which is behave strangly. it is recognized on boot and i type my encryption password. xenodm doesn't seem to accept input from it though. if i plug it in after entering xfce, still doesn't work. tested with more than one cable. odd.
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18:36 < dfdx> Hi #openbsd. upgrade to 7.6 was successful. :) one thing, though. this was a full re-install, so I had to recreate some users. before reinstalling, I backed up the user's /home/f/user/.ssh directory. now that i've recreated the user, I copied it back. But when I try to ssh from another machine I get the following error: WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!
18:36 < dfdx> What am I missing?
18:37 < p3s> jus delete ~/.ssh/know_hosts
18:37 < dfdx> from the client?
18:37 < p3s> yes
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18:37 < dfdx> aha! thanks.
18:37 < p3s> yup
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18:54 < dfdx> one more thing, I also backed up /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*. Is it safe to just copy over the default files in /etc/ssh after an install? 
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18:57 < thrig> probably not if the backups were obtained by someone else
18:58 < sibiria> dfdx: yes you can
18:58 < sibiria> the reason you get a warning from ssh (the client) is simply because you now have new host keys on the server
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19:00 < sibiria> the contents in your ~/.ssh/known_hosts file matches the old host keys
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