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05:03 < welcome> HELO I am trying to build a program with Motif on openbsd.... I just learned that to do this I will nned first to install libmotif-dev   How do I get this for openbsd?
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05:14 < ssm_> welcome: pkg_locate libmotif returns the package mlterm which contains libmotif.so. unsure if this is what you want
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05:23 < welcome> neither am I. I'll add it and see
05:26 < welcome> It does not have the header I need (XmRowColumn.h)
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05:29 < V3NOM> you have a few things to learn about unix
05:29 < welcome> That we will have to find out :)
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06:06 < vortexx> welcome: pkg_add motif
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08:31 < welcome> aye, that package already be added
08:31 < welcome> ,
08:31 < welcome> vortexx, 
08:31 < welcome> thanks anyway
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10:13 < bob_x1>  /j #bitcoin
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14:35 < miah> nothanks
14:35 < miah> and good morning =)
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15:49 < Bradipo> Where is the proper place to put an IPv6 gateway on a "dual stack" system?
15:49 < Bradipo> I have an IPv4 address in /etc/mygate
15:49 < Bradipo> Should it just be added in the hostname.if file?
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15:51 < phy1729> man mygate  says you can have both
15:52 < sibiria> yeah you can have both, i have that on one host
15:53 < sibiria> keep in mind you don't necessarily need to have anything in mygate. with dhcp and such you'll almost always get a default gateway anyway
15:54 < thrig> on servers I tend to be more manual, on account of switches taking too long to reboot and then NetworkManager timed out and then a bunch of servers had no IP addresses
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15:55 < Bradipo> Well, I'm looking at the route table and it's not obvious to me that there is a default gateway for IPv6.
15:56  * RobbieAB tries to avoid dhcp on servers
15:56 < Bradipo> e.g. I have a lot of addresses in the Destination column, but none of them says "default".
15:56 < RobbieAB> It's a race condition I don't need.
15:56 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'm not fond of DHCP on servers either.
15:56 < sibiria> if you're entirely on static IP it doesn't hurt to add to mygate. if you're on dhcp the obvious problem is that you may jump from one subnet to the other
15:57 < Bradipo> Can /etc/mygate have more than one address in it?
15:57 < Bradipo> Sure enough.
15:57 < Bradipo> mygate(5) mentions both IPv4 and IPv6 can be used.
15:57 < sibiria> it can have both families, but i don't think you can have two of the same family
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15:58 < sibiria> there'd be a fight over which gets to be the default one
15:58 < RobbieAB> My take on dhcp on servers is... In the event of a complete site restart, I really don't want my servers racing the dhcp service for startup time.
15:58 < RobbieAB> The switch start up time shouldn't matter, as the links shouldn't come up before the switches are ready.
15:58 < Bradipo> Right, two different families is what I'm aiming for.
15:59 < sibiria> Bradipo: optionally, if possible, you can also set the default gateway in the hostname.if in order to keep everything in one place so to speak
15:59 < sibiria> e.g. !route -n add -inet6 default 2001::whatever
15:59 < Bradipo> Yes, that's what I said above (use hostname.if).
15:59 < thrig> the startup time does matter if you have NetworkManager on a Server install for an Enterprise OS that times out after three attempts, by default
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16:01 < RobbieAB> thrig: That sounds like a badly configured NM if it tries dhcp without a link on the media, and then times out before the media is even up.
16:01 < RobbieAB> So probably what most places using NM on servers have configured, come to think of it. :)
16:02 < thrig> NM was beaten with a stick and made to try forever, and I also moved all those servers to use static
16:02 < thrig> (and reconfigured the switch to do a fast boot, which might have drawbacks)
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16:03  * RobbieAB dislikes NM on servers in general
16:04 < RobbieAB> It's ok for laptops where I am bouncing WiFi networks, but for servers I rarely see it as being a massive improvement over older, simpler, methods
16:04 < Bradipo> Yep, and that's why were in #openbsd. :-)
16:04 < RobbieAB> Another reason I start playing with openbsd! :D
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17:25 < IcePic> RobbieAB: some good humor there. ;)
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17:42 < RobbieAB> IcePic: Not sure which particular piece you are referring to as humor, but thank you. :)
17:47 < sibiria> avoiding dhcp as if it were wholly evil, i suppose
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19:27 < Bradipo> I would like to add an environment variable to all users who are using crontab, but I don't want to touch every crontab file.
19:28 < Bradipo> And I only want this variable defined when cron is used, not in their interactive shell or profile.
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19:33 < Bradipo> Maybe login.conf and the "setenv" capability in the daemon class?
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19:35 < quinq> I don't see a way, without touching every cron file
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19:35 < quinq> Why is it a problem thought
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19:35 < quinq> s/t$//
19:35 < thrig> or modify env_init in env.c to set something
19:36 < quinq> :)
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19:40 < Bradipo> Well, why not login.conf ?
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19:40 < Bradipo> Seems that the setenv capability should suit just fine.
19:40 < Bradipo> I'm restarting cron now to find out.
19:40 < Bradipo> I just added it to the daemon class.
19:43 < jca> I strongly suspect cron is going to use the specific login class of the user running the crontab entry
19:43 < jca> so maybe you should your users to some commen login class.  but that will also be present in interactive shells
19:43 < Bradipo> Hmm.
19:43 < jca> you should add*
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22:27 < pardis> I would probably just modify cron for a use case like that
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22:33 < welcome> HELO    I received a copy of Jean Baudrillard's "Simulcra and Simulation" today
22:33 < welcome> Looking forward to a good read
22:37 < quinq> It's nice
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22:42 < thrig> wacky hostname for a HELO
22:43 < quinq> jaja
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23:08 < quinq> Hummm, on -stable, when trying to build a crystal software:
23:08 < quinq> Error executing crystal:
23:08 < quinq> ld.so: crystal: can't load library 'libLLVM-17.so'
23:09 < quinq> Has crystal been miscompiled?
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23:14 < quinq> Or just:
23:14 < quinq> $ crystal
23:14 < quinq> ld.so: crystal: can't load library 'libLLVM-17.so'
23:14 < quinq> Killed
23:15 < quinq> That's unacceptabel condition
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23:36 < quinq> It seems it works better with also adding llvm 17 port
23:37 < quinq> Doesn't seem like the dependency omission would be intentional
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