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06:25 < IcePic> vanfanel64: why say it is a /bin/sh script and then hand it to bash?
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07:59 < polarian> So systemd v256 is out, and with it comes criticisms towards OpenBSD's doas(1) and Unix as a whole for SUID, they argue that their new run0 which from the sounds of it uses some sort of IPC (I assume dbus, as systemd was built on dbus) to ask systemd to spawn a privileged process, according to them this is more secure. I assume everyone here would agree that this is total bullshit and a small SUID
07:59 < polarian> binary is far more secure than a massive fucking codebase which runs privileged as PID1, any vulnerability in the IPC/systemd would allow any user to inject commands to run as root. Like this is Linux after all and I know they piss all over Unix already, but I feel this is just another level of stupidity ontop of that. And to call out OpenBSD as insecure is bold, but then again lots of Linux
07:59 < polarian> cybersec say the same.
07:59 < polarian> I say "new" but run0 is just renamed to try to get their stupidity adopted some more...
08:01 < polarian> shtrophic: I never heard about pf-badhost until you mentioned it, but if it blocks cloudflare as a badhost then surely you can't access 25-50% of the internet which tunnels through cloudflare?
08:01 < polarian> sorry its 16% 
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08:20 < renaud> polarian: we all know that systemd was created by a MS employee to plague linux
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08:58 < IcePic> the pain from pulseaudio was not enough, so enter systemd
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09:22 < flart> polarian: well, poettering is working at microsoft nowadays
09:23 < polarian> IcePic: I would like to point out that pulseaudio is used on *BSD too quite a bit :)
09:23 < polarian> especially freebsd iirc you can't remove pulseaudio 
09:24 < polarian> flart: nah BSD has tons of companies which are using it, you can work for any of them instead
09:24 < polarian> hell maybe you get to contribute only to BSD codebases :D
09:26 < dlg> pipewire > pulseaudio
09:30 < mischief> i am using pw now instead of pa on gentoo, but there was a rather nasty fd leak bug in it recently though :S
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10:24 < mesaoptimizer> freebsd has pulseaudio? gosh
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10:58 < housemate> HI!
10:58 < housemate> I've this laptop, Host: 82K1 (IdeaPad Gaming 3 15IHU6) ...
11:00 < housemate> it is a lenovo, ...
11:01 < housemate> the uefi settings options do not allow me to change the boot mode from uefi only to acpi or legacy mode, however it was that they referred that.
11:01 < housemate> and I attempted to install opensbd (latest) although it will not detect my nvme ssd.
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11:01 < housemate> what are my options here, if any ..?
11:01 < housemate> :-)
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11:09 < RobbieAB> openbsd doesn't detect the NVMe? That's going to be hard. :(
11:22 < brynet> housemate: Check for BIOS for a setting called "Intel VMD Controller" and set that to Disabled.
11:23 < housemate> oh I do recall seeing that there amongst available configuration options.
11:23 < brynet> Some modern Intel machines enable VMD or Intel Rapid Storage by default, so the NVMe controller doesn't get passed directly to the OS.
11:23 < housemate> thank you,.
11:23 < housemate> I will attempt re-installation following having changed that setting.
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13:05 < oldlaptop> polarian: objections to setuid have most force as objections to the existence of the mechanism at all - i.e. it's all well and good that doas is a small, auditable setuid binary that perhaps can be trusted with such power, but not everything someone sets setuid root will be so squared-away
13:06 < oldlaptop> (at least one openbsd erratum in recent years has involved a setuid binary that turned out not to be worthy of that trust)
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14:50 < jnth> hi, i need a bit of help with installation on a windows machine
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14:51 < jnth> i created an unassigned partition from the c drive for openbsd, i'll be dualbooting along with windows
14:51 < Bradipo> What do you mean "the c drive"?
14:52 < jnth> the windows c drive
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14:52 < jnth> i shrunk it and obtained 100 gb for openbsd
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14:52 < qbit> oh hi 
14:52 < Bradipo> Ok, so you took the partition that was allocated to Windows, you made it smaller, and now you want to use that space as a separate partition?
14:52 < jnth> now during the installation, in the partition phase, i don't see either the c or the 100gb i created
14:52 < jnth> yes
14:53 < Bradipo> Well, for one, there's no such thing as a C drive.  That's a windows concept.  Outside of Windows it doesn't mean much.  You have partitions.  Partition 1, 2, 3, etc.
14:54 < Bradipo> OpenBSD's partitioning tool, disklabel, has a 'c' partition in it that represents the whole disk.
14:54 < Bradipo> Also, there's fdisk.  First fdisk is used to allocate a partition for OpenBSD to work in.  Do you see anything during installation with fdisk?
14:55 < Bradipo> Can you share a screenshot or paste of what you see at the point that it wants to partition?
14:55 < jnth> yes, in fdisk, i see 6 entries, 3 are for windows recovery, 1 says efi sys and the rest are microsoft reserved partition and basic data partition
14:56 < jnth> i'll post a pic
14:56 < Bradipo> That "basic data" is probably the partition allocated to Windows (which might be your C drive).  Not sure though without better data.
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14:57 < Bradipo> How did you shrink the partition?
14:57 < jnth> windows partitioning tool
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14:58 < Bradipo> Ok, probably good enough.
14:58 < Bradipo> As long as it actually did decrease the partition size to free up space for other partitions.
14:59 < jnth> https://imgur.com/a/nq155SC
15:01 < Bradipo> So, partition 0 is EFI.  Partition 1, some MS reserved.
15:01 < Bradipo> Parition 2 is a fairly big partition, that's probably your Windows data.
15:01 < Bradipo> Did the installer not automatically try to assign a partition for you?
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15:02 < jnth> the installer gave me a gpt, mbr, or edit option. i chose edit and this is what it showed me
15:02 < Bradipo> With fdisk, you should be able to add a new partition.
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15:03 < Bradipo> It looks like you have 107GiB available for OpenBSD, right?
15:04 < jnth> yes, that is it
15:04 < Bradipo> I'm curious what the installer showed before you chose to edit the partitions with fdisk.
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15:05 < jnth> i'll reinstall and upload a pic
15:06 < jnth> https://imgur.com/a/Kb9chbA
15:06 < Bradipo> jnth: By the way, I hope you have backups of your Windows stuff, just in case...
15:06 < jnth> yes, i have made a backup
15:06 < Bradipo> Dual booting isn't exactly a walk through the park.
15:07 < Bradipo> Ok, yes, I think you'll need to Edit.
15:07 < Bradipo> You need to add a new partition for OpenBSD to use.
15:09 < jnth> should i edit the microsoft basic data partition?
15:09 < Bradipo> Well, no, it's already correctly sized, right?
15:09 < Bradipo> It looks like you have a gap between partition 2 and partition 3 where you can add another partition.
15:10 < jnth> oh right
15:13 < Bradipo> So, I think you just to type: edit 6
15:13 < Bradipo> And enter the start and size of the partition and change it to OpenBSD type.
15:13 < Bradipo> 6 is the first unused partition, right?
15:14 < jnth> yes
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15:16 < sibiria> in certain cases openbsd can't cope with having bootloader and/or the kernel located beyond the first 2gb on the disk
15:16 < Bradipo> I thought that was MBR modes only?
15:16 < sibiria> typically common on older BIOS + MBR setups
15:16 < sibiria> not sure what his or setup is. if it's EFI it should not be a problem
15:16 < jnth> it is efi
15:16 < sibiria> red herring then
15:17 < brynet> hasn't been relevant in like 20+ years...
15:18 < sibiria> jnth: keep in mind, since it's EFI, that you must not remove the 'i' disklabel if you choose to edit the labels during install
15:19 < sibiria> it will represent the ESP where the installer needs to place the EFI application for openbsd in order to be able to boot
15:19 < brynet> If you're confortable using the Windows partitioning tools, you can also create the additional partition in Windows and then change only the type in fdisk to OpenBSD.
15:19 < jnth> okay
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15:28 < jnth> Bradipo: how did you find out that the unallocated space was 107gb? 
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15:29 < Bradipo> Math.
15:30 < jnth> is the size in bytes?
15:30 < Bradipo> Partition 2 and Partition 3.
15:30 < Bradipo> No.
15:30 < Bradipo> By default, sizes are shown in sectors.
15:31 < Bradipo> http://man.openbsd.org/fdisk
15:31 < Bradipo> Actually, I should have sent you to: http://man.openbsd.org/fdisk#print
15:32 < dfdx> is there a problem with OpenBSD's pulseaudio package? when I installed it I got the following warning
15:32 < dfdx> useradd: Warning: home directory `/var/run/pulse' doesn't exist, and -m was not specified
15:32 < jnth> right, i got it now, thanks
15:32 < Bradipo> So, I took the start of partition 2, added it's size: echo 955267072 1083392 728903680 + - p
15:32 < dfdx> and when I inspect /etc/passwd, I see
15:32 < dfdx> _pulse:*:683:683:PulseAudio System Daemon:/var/run/pulse:/sbin/nologin
15:32 < Bradipo> echo 955267072 1083392 728903680 + - p | dc
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15:32 < dfdx> but /var/run/pulse does not exist and has not been created.
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15:34 < Bradipo> Yeah, I ignore that warning.
15:34 < pardis> well, *is* there a problem with it? does pulseaudio work?
15:35 < dfdx> pardis: I don't even use sound so I don't know. but its a dep for calibre that got dragged in.
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15:36 < dfdx> it looks like a small oversight that probably doesn't hurt anything but should be fixed for consistency's sake. I will try to find the package maintainer.
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15:53 < anexit> Anyone here use munin?
15:54 < Bradipo> Maybe those in Oklahoma?
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15:54 < anexit> :P
15:55 < Bradipo> "Oh what a beautiful munin,"
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15:59 < anexit> https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?0af58c39f8e92cfc#v7i383XCTytjp79lFKyiZ0qJXHINAgDY2rWFPsBP62k=
15:59 < anexit> Keep getting that
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16:06 < thyssentishman> dfdx: that's not an oversight, it's just a warning that you get when you create a user for which you haven't created a home directory
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16:07 < dfdx> thyssentishman: sure, but shouldn't that happen automatically? how would I have known beforehand to create the PulseAudio System Daemon homedir in /var/run/pulse *before* I ran pkg_add pulseaudio ?
16:08 < pardis> the way to find out if this is actually a problem is to test pulseaudio...
16:08 < pardis> almost certainly, that directory doesn't need to exist or is created automatically when pulseaudio runs
16:09 < pardis> it's an odd thing to get alarmed about if you're not even using sound
16:11 < thyssentishman> dfdx: it probably *does* happen automatically when pulseaudio is ran as pardis suggests
16:11 < thyssentishman> have you tried running it?
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16:11 < dfdx> thyssentishman: I have not tried running it, no. 
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16:19 < Bradipo> How does one actually "run pulseaudio"?
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16:22 < thyssentishman> Bradipo: I'm actually trying to do it right now and I have no clue haha
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16:41 < jnth> hi, i decided to explore the idea of havinf multiple partitions as shown in auto allocation instead of the traditional swap, /, home
16:42 < jnth> but what i find concerning is that / is just 1GB
16:43 < jnth> should i increase it while reducing the sizes for other directories?
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16:44 < pardis> what is "traditional" about swap, / and /home?
16:44 < pardis> and no, 1G is, if anything, too big for /
16:44 < dfdx> doesn't need to be that big. I would focus instead on making sure you have enough space in /home, /usr, and /var. 
16:45 < jnth> i have incredible amounts of space for home(43G), usr(11G), and var(12G)
16:46 < dfdx> jnth: then you will likely be fine with a 1G /. I have never reached 1G worth of files in my / partition.
16:47 < jnth> pardis: okay, what i've seen is people setting up just 4 partitions and so i felt it was like the usual way of partitioning for beginners
16:47 < jnth> dfdx: okay
16:47 < dfdx> for context, I am running OpenBSD on a 1TB HD.
16:48 < jnth> i guess /home occupies much of the space
16:48 < pardis> the "usual" way is that described in the FAQ https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#Partitioning
16:48 < IcePic> /usr is what grows most for me, after installing sources, ports and packages, so /usr/local usually eats space. 
16:48 < pardis> other websites may have plenty of wrong information
16:49 < IcePic> and /usr/share/relink these days
16:49 < IcePic> if you run databases and things, /var might see growth too
16:49 < dfdx> yeah, the biggest complaint i see (and have personally, too) is that /home is too big. if you want to use OpenBSD as a desktop, then its fine. But if you want to run alot of services that tend to hang out in /usr and /var then it might make sense to trim /home and reallocate to /usr and /var. 
16:50 < IcePic> dfdx: I sometimes just symlink /usr/local into /home/local since that is where the space is
16:50 < dfdx> IcePic: ew. :)
16:50 < pardis> I normally make /usr/local its own partition
16:50 < pardis> it's better for security, too, since then wxallowed only goes on /usr/local
16:50 < IcePic> it is
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18:09 < constxd> bros how can i try out openbsd
18:10 < constxd> i only have macOS
18:10 < uwharrie> that shouldn't make a difference
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18:11 < uwharrie> assuming you've got supported hardware
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18:11 < constxd> i have apple silicon 
18:12 < uwharrie> that's a bit broad. see https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html for specific support and https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/arm64/INSTALL.arm64 if you've got one of the supported models
18:14 < thrig> or run it in a virt thingy
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18:18 < constxd> hmm i am running it in qemu with amd64 emulation and it's unusable
18:18 < constxd> is that expected
18:18 < pardis> yes, nobody uses OpenBSD
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18:21 < constxd> that's not true plenty of people use it and i want to try using it too 😔
18:26 < metavoid> well, why would you run it in qemu with cpu emulation?
18:27 < constxd> didn't know how else to get it running
18:28 < metavoid> vmware fusion, utm etc
18:28 < metavoid> jus get the arm64 iso and plug into a hypervisor
18:29 < metavoid> it'll be speedy
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18:37 < constxd> utm uses qemu so i must be doing something wrong i can't get it working at all with the arm64 iso
18:37 < constxd> i will try via utm
18:40 < metavoid> you should be able to run emulation
18:41 < metavoid> without emulation*
18:45 < anexit> https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?475c550152ee216b#XlIOymEQI+p6ZMLchrx/eTT+A/OoSxw0g91uCalLXc8=
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18:45 < anexit> I ended up doing chmod 777 and still wont copy
18:45  * anexit bangs head
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18:47 < thrig> 777 is almost always a mistake
18:48 < constxd> so is perl
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18:49 < anexit> https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?621dedd8fd25ea39#SanH/pdY845rotKo5YEToNdE/HhOUaHPZ5JqtGTunq4=
18:49 < thrig> "JavaScript is required for PrivateBin to work". oh, well.
18:49 < dfdx> While chmod 777 grants all permissions to everyone, it doesn't change the ownership of the directory. If the directory has a restrictive sticky bit (t) set (common in directories like /tmp), a user can only modify or delete their own files within that directory, even though /tmp may be chmod 777. 
18:50 < dfdx> another possibility is that the partition is full.
18:50 < anexit> Yeah I don't know
18:50 < anexit> hmm
18:50 < anexit> Nope
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18:52 < anexit> yeah this is weird
18:52 < anexit> haha
18:52 < dfdx> anexit: you set 777 permissions on the wrong directory.
18:52 < dfdx> (btw, like thrig said, you probably shouldn't set it to 777 in the first place)
18:53 < anexit> 755 is what it requires via munin-check
18:54 < thrig> various softwares (OpenSSH comes to mind) will take note of a 777 and fail
18:57 < metavoid> constxd: try running openbsd under "virtualize" instead of "emulation"
18:58 < constxd> yeah that's what i am doing right now
18:58 < metavoid> and get the arm64 iso/img
18:58 < constxd> seemed to be working but no graphics :(
18:58 < anexit> Well I can copy files in my home directory but just not in that folder.
18:58 < anexit> su  -s /bin/sh _munin
18:58 < metavoid> constxd: what did you install?
18:58 < anexit> oddly I'm the owner and the file has 777 on it.
18:59 < anexit> makes no sense
18:59 < constxd> metavoid: just what's on the install disk
18:59 < metavoid> xenodm is not starting after install?
18:59 < constxd> that's a display manager?
19:00 < metavoid> yes
19:00 < constxd> nothing graphical started. i tried running startx and my screen just goes black and i have to reset the VM
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19:01 < thrig> startx shouldn't be used
19:01 < metavoid> cant even add install media to the vm, seems like a bug and maybe fixed in squoia 15.1, gotta patch up..
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19:10 < anexit> appears it has to be root:daemon
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19:28 < pardis> are you the owner of the directory you're trying to copy to?
19:28 < pardis> you only showed the permission on the files you're trying to copy
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19:29 < anexit> pardis: yeah I was but it will only work with root
19:30 < anexit> It's generated by a perl script so I'm not sure if openbsd does ACL?
19:30 < pardis> there are no POSIX ACLs in OpenBSD, no
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19:30 < anexit> Very weird
19:31 < pardis> I suspect that either you are not actually the owner of /var/www/htdocs/munin, or there is no u+w mode on that directory
19:31 < pardis> what does 'ls -ld /var/www/htdocs/munin' say?
19:31 < anexit> drwxrwxrwx  4 _munin  www  1536 Nov 15 14:30 /var/www/htdocs/munin
19:32 < pardis> that is odd
19:33 < anexit> Not a huge deal
19:34 < anexit> it's internal webserver 
19:34 < anexit> munin-cron has a lot to do with that folder and I don't know enought about munin
19:35 < pardis> do those files perhaps already exist under /var/www/htdocs/munin with different permissions?
19:36 < anexit> nah all the same -R was invoked
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19:41 < anexit> Ah, I see... the perl script is ran by root and every 5 minutes it changes those file permissions.. doh.
19:41 < anexit> verified with su  -s /bin/sh _munin /usr/local/bin/munin-cron --debug 2>&1
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19:42 < anexit> drwxr-xr-x  4 _munin  www  1536 Nov 15 14:30 /var/www/htdocs/munin
19:42 < anexit> ha
19:43 < anexit> Frig sake
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19:53 < thrig> none of my toons can fly a muninn
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20:14 < niftily>  
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20:25 < shtrophic> I just switched from a wonky AdguardHome install to unbound
20:25 < shtrophic> and now sr.ht won't resolve...
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20:29 < phy1729> Works ok here. Perhaps enable more verbose logging (and check your clock)
20:31 < shtrophic> "dig sr.ht +trace" ends up in:
20:31 < shtrophic> couldn't get address for 'ns1.sr.ht': not found
20:31 < shtrophic> couldn't get address for 'ns2.sr.ht': not found
20:31 < shtrophic> couldn't get address for 'ns3.sr.ht': not found
20:31 < shtrophic> clock seems fine
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20:40 < shtrophic> jesus CHRIST 
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20:49 < shtrophic> It was my packetfilter
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21:44 < metavoid> constxd: this might work https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/discussions/5643#discussioncomment-10651004
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21:44 < metavoid> but honestly, download vmware fusion instead
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22:59 < ssm_> I don't have a lot of experience with other operating systems on bare metal, but is the time openbsd takes to hibernate normal? it's between 3-5 minutes, possibly more if I have a bloatbrowser open
22:59 < ssm_> suspend is around 5-10 seconds
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22:59 < Bradipo> Hibernate takes 3-5 minutes?
23:00 < ssm_> yeah
23:00 < ssm_> on all hardware I've run openbsd on it's been like that
23:00 < Bradipo> I almost never use "hibernate" or "suspend", so I'm not sure what to expect.
23:01 < Bradipo> Is "hibernate" where all memory is written to disk so it can be put back into memory once awakened?
23:01 < sibiria> yes
23:01 < sibiria> 3-5 minutes sounds crazy for writing a few gb to disk
23:01 < Bradipo> Well, how fast does OpenBSD normally write 16GB to disk?
23:02 < Bradipo> I suppose it may not be apples to apples comparing filesystem writes vs dump of memory.
23:02 < sibiria> i wonder if it really does write all of the RAM instead of the committed portions
23:02 < sibiria> it would be the first time i hear of an OS doing hibernate that way
23:03 < ssm_> sibiria: it's encrypting as well, as it's writing to swapspace
23:03 < sibiria> yes as it should
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23:05 < sibiria> if you're effectively getting a mere 50 mb/sec, and openbsd writing *all* of its ram, then i could understand the time
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23:50 < constxd> metavoid: isn't vmware fusion a commercial thing
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23:58 < thrig> some vmware stuff got freebied recently?
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