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05:47 < Bradipo> Does anyone know why Google and Cloudflare DNS resolvers are querying for GUID.random.<domainname> ?
05:49 < Bradipo> They appear to be looking for an A record for GUID.random.<domainname>, where GUID is sometimes reused and "random" is the literal word "random".
05:50 < Bradipo> Sometimes they query for just random.<domainname> and then follow that up with a GUID.random.<domainname>
05:51 < Bradipo> Seems to happen about once per domain per day.
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06:02 < phy1729> aiui it's to check if your DNS is hijacking non-existant domains or not
06:07 < Bradipo> Then why doesn't it use non-existent domains?
06:07 < Bradipo> I cannot hijack a domain for which my server is authoritative.
06:08 < Bradipo> e.g. if my DNS server publishes records for abc.com, why is Google DNS resolvers asking my DNS server to resolve GUID.random.abc.com ?
06:08 < Bradipo> That's not evidence of hijacking.
06:08 < Bradipo> It should query for random domains for which my server is *NOT* authoritative.
06:09 < Bradipo> The strange thing is, I can find no discussion of this anywhere via search engines.
06:11 < Bradipo> I have found hits for random single-label queries when Chrome starts up (e.g. "upcoheorba") but that's not what I'm seeing in my logs.
06:12 < Bradipo> I'm seeing queries for a GUID followed by "random.DOMAIN" for various domains that are published by my DNS server.
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06:14 < Bradipo> And furthermore, the DNS queries all appear to be coming from Google DNS resolvers.  Occasionally they come from Cloudflare.
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06:20 < phy1729> iirc it's chrome making the request checking if the local network has hijacking resolvers
06:20 < Bradipo> Whose chrome?
06:20 < Bradipo> Some random dude on the internet?
06:21 < phy1729> everyone's 
06:21 < Bradipo> So, how does everyone's chrome know about my DNS domains?
06:21 < Bradipo> I think you've misunderstood what I'm claiming.
06:21 < phy1729> presumably some are visiting yours 
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06:23 < Bradipo> Some of the domains have no actual A records for "websites" that can be visited.
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08:40 < welcome> HELO motif-devel seems needed for my motif application (from Parrette, W "MOTIF Programming ..."
08:41 < welcome> This doesn't seem available for openbsd
08:41 < welcome> Am I to develop the app I am working towards building on some other? Eg FreeBSD
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08:43 < IcePic> if you add the motif package on openbsd, you get both the runtime and the "devel". OpenBSD packages seldom make that kind of distinction like some linux dists do
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08:44 < welcome> I have installed that package... alas it doesn't seem to have it. I could be wrong
08:44 < IcePic> I'm guessing it is more that OpenBSD system compiler is not looking into /usr/local directories by default, and hence your gofigure-script doesn't think motif includes and libs are installed and gives you this error message
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08:45 < IcePic> if it indeed is configure that says this, put the config.log up somewhere on a pastebin, at least the output around this failing test
08:46 < welcome> I don not have a configure script. I am hand coding
08:47 < welcome> doesn't a -I /usr/local/include fix this? (on gcc)
08:47 < renaud> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/08/a-chrome-feature-is-creating-enormous-load-on-global-root-dns-servers/
08:47 < renaud> ah, crap, bradipo is gone
08:48 < IcePic> welcome: depends on how the #include line looks and where the motif includes ended up
08:49 < IcePic> ie, #include "motif/something.h" assumes they are at /usr/local/include/motif which they might be, then your -I line should work
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08:50 < IcePic> but I don't have motif installed on my systems, so you need to look on yours
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08:57 < welcome> I'm just having a good look around now
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09:28 < IcePic> welcome: for me that came in somewhat late, what is the actual error you get?
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09:47 < IcePic> shtrophic: noticed your Q a few days ago about snapshots/current and for me, it is quite stable. If it had something I needed I would not be opposed to running it rather than wait for next release
09:47 < IcePic> shtrophic: I can't talk for all other projects, but at least openbsd devs are more or less all running -current on their dev machines. Each commit is supposed to make it better, and if it doesn't, it usually gets noticed and pulled out really fast
09:48 < IcePic> it sometimes feels like other projects are more like "lets get this new feature in and see if we can make it work over the course of a few weeks/months or so", but if it causes problems, you will have an unusable main track of your env for this period and that is not what I see on obsd
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09:52 < welcome> I have to go, I'm exhausted
09:53 < welcome> see you later
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13:55 < michel> Can I delete dmesg without rebooting ? 
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14:47 < IcePic> Voyager_MP: If you can get the kernel to print out enough crap it would overwrite whats there now.
14:48 < IcePic> arp collisions, pledge violations, perhaps enabling ifconfig debug 
14:48 < IcePic> stuff like that
14:49 < sibiria> plugging/unplugging keyboard rapidly over extended period of time
14:50 < IcePic> yes usb attach/detach
14:50 < Voyager_MP> A timestamp in dmesg would be very nice 
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14:52 < IcePic> I think syslogd is meant to keep track of what time dmesg lines came about
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16:07 < dfdx> I, too, have long wished for dmesg timestamps. Seems like such an obvious quality-of-life improvement. Linux doesn't have it either, afaik. 
16:12 < sibiria> linux does
16:13 < vortexx> it does but it's something like number microseconds after boot
16:14 < vortexx>  /var/log/messages holds dmesg output
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16:14 < sibiria> sec.msec
16:16 < sibiria> which you may simply convert to full timestamps when viewing
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16:39 < Bradipo> I've mentioned it before, and sibiria just mentioned it, but /var/log/messages has timestamps on dmesg output.
16:39 < Bradipo> Er, vortexx mentioned.
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17:13 < renaud> Bradipo: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/08/a-chrome-feature-is-creating-enormous-load-on-global-root-dns-servers/
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17:17 < Bradipo> renaud: Let me see if that's related...
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17:18 < Bradipo> Not relevant.
17:18 < Bradipo> This has nothing to do with what I'm observing.
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17:19 < Bradipo> As I said, the query that I'm seeing hit my *authoritative* DNS server has the form GUID.random.domainname.dom
17:20 < Bradipo> e.g. I'm seeing queries that look like: ac3bac23-d105-4e7e-8572-2a3ede37d1e8.random.domainname.dom
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17:20 < Bradipo> That's not at all what this article is talking about.
17:20 < Bradipo> The word "random" is the literal word "random" in the DNS label.  "domainname.dom" is one of my DNS domains that I host.
17:20 < Bradipo> The GUID is well, a GUID.  It is often repeated, so it's not randomly generated per query.
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17:22 < Bradipo> I should go back through my DNS logs to see when this started happening.
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17:27 < Bradipo> I know all about the random 15 character DNS query.  That's a client-side thing that shows up in DNS resolvers.  That's not the same.
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20:02 < eoc> what terminal and wm do you use? do most openbsd users use xterm?
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20:05 < eoc> and do you use xterm as is, or config it with xresources?
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20:17 < xse> eoc: most obsd users likely use another OS's terminal to ssh into an obsd server :p
20:17 < xse> some people like using stuff from base so xterm and one of the 3 or 4 wm that are included
20:18 < xse> nothing stops you from using packages tho, i like i3+st
20:20 < eoc> yeah, i get using stuff from the base, but its hard to beat st, havent tried i3.. 
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20:23 < eoc> i
20:24 < tux0r> the only good wm is window maker
20:25 < tux0r> i mean, window maker literally is abbreviated "wm". coincidence? i don't think so!
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20:25 < eoc> is window maker in the base?
20:26 < tux0r> no, but that was not your question anyway
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20:43 < pardis> OpenBSD's xterm is patched with much more sensible defaults than on other platforms
20:43 < pardis> xterm is practically unusable on other systems
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20:47 < ssm_> spend 30 minutes debugging wireless connections to the cafe I'm at only to remember that I manually set a bssid on the interface yesterday and forgot about it -_-
20:47 < ssm_> well, better solved than unsolved
20:50 < quinq> :)
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20:59 < eea> pardis: +1 for elucidating why xterm angers me outside openbsd
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21:01 < eoc> oh i didnt know xterm was different on openbsd, might explain a lot...
21:01 < ssm_> even in openbsd I have multiple pages of xterm resources, I haven't used xterm on other environments so I don't know how bad it is
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21:07 < Bradipo> xse: For me it's the other way around... I SSH into *other* OSes *from* OpenBSD.
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21:31 < vortexx> eoc: roxterm is useful with windowmaker, gets you tabbed shell (of course tmux covers all that)
21:32 < vortexx> rxvt I've liked with afterstep/windowmaker 
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21:32 < vortexx> beware though roxterm uses gtk2 iirc and thus you need some gnome config files to theme it
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21:50 < adig> When manually creating a vm via vmctl.
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21:50 < adig> Can I set its mac?
21:51 < adig> I may miss an option in the man page?
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21:54 < quinq> interface lladdr
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22:11 < brynet> adig: For basically anything but a simple setup, you need to use a configuration file, see vm.conf(5).
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22:22 < adig> Thanks brynet, I thought so!
22:22 < adig> I have a running vm with some stuff there.
22:22 < adig> I don't want to restart vmd at.
22:22 < adig> atm*
22:22 < adig> And am creating another one, manually, but ip receives incremental ip addreses.
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