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03:41 < gnucode> sorry for the very newb question...
03:41 < setient> no such thing!
03:42 < gnucode> how do you resize a window in fvwm ?
03:42 < gnucode> I'm trying to full size chrome, and can't seem to figure it out.
03:42 < gnucode> maybe a better question would be ...why can't I start i3 ?
03:42 < setient> there might be a key combination but i usually just manually resize the window
03:42 < gnucode> how do you manually resize the window?
03:42 < setient> on the edge of the window, i think
03:43 < setient> its been a while since i used fvwm though
03:43 < gnucode> When I click on the edge of the window and move my mouse, the window just moves
03:43 < setient> you might just want to fix your .xinitrc to start the window manager you want to use
03:43 < setient> yeah, i forget :(
03:43 < gnucode> I thought exec i3 went in .xsession
03:44 < setient> it might be there too
03:44 < gnucode> well I did that...and it doesn't seem to load.
03:44 < setient> last time i ran X on openbsd, it was on a m68k in black and white
03:44 < gnucode> I can put up the file in a pastebin.
03:45 < gnucode> setient  You don't run X ?
03:45 < setient> i don't use openbsd as a desktop/workstation
03:45 < gnucode> ah
03:45 < gnucode> may I ask what you use?
03:45 < setient> i use a bunch of things, i got a steamdeck, a ubuntu work laptop, a few windows machines, a chromebook, an openbsd sparc64 server
03:49 < setient> i used to use openbsd on x86, alpha, mac68k, sparc and sparc64
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04:40 < byteskeptical> gnucode: you have to grab the edge of the window the cursor should change once your in the correct position
04:42 < ssm_> gnucode: you need to grab one of the four corner buttons to resize. when you get sick of fvwm, check out openbsd's native window manager, cwm
04:42 < ssm_> or openbsd's native "window manager", tmux
04:42 < Bradipo> Don't knock fvwm.
04:42 < Bradipo> I use fvwm daily now.
04:43 < ssm_> no fullscreen support, no snapping :(
04:43 < ssm_> fvwm3 has those but if you thought fvwm2's config was massive, wait til you see 3
04:44 < Bradipo> fvwm has snapping.
04:44 < Bradipo> I don't care for fvwm3, the one that's in base is good enough.
04:44 < ssm_> did it? if it did it was missing either edge snapping on window snapping
04:44 < ssm_> cwm has edge snapping but no window snapping, fvwm has window snapping and no edge snapping, how do we combine them?
04:45 < Bradipo> What's the difference between edge snapping and window snapping?
04:45 < byteskeptical> fvcwm
04:45 < ssm_> edge snapping snaps to the edge of the display, window snapping snaps windows to the edges of other windows
04:46 < Bradipo> fvwm snaps a window to the edge of the display, I think.
04:46 < ssm_> window snapping is obviously a lot harder/expensive/buggy to implement
04:46 < ssm_> unless you're writing a tiling wm
04:47 < Bradipo> I think fvwm has both.
04:47 < Bradipo> At least given your description.
04:49 < ssm_> reading fvwm(1) now, the only snapping I see is SnapAttraction, which is window snapping. There is SnapGrid, but that's unrelated.
04:51 < Bradipo> I suppose it depends.
04:51 < Bradipo> SnapGrid is what I use and it behaves as if it is snapping to the display edge.
04:51 < Bradipo> Perhaps technically it is not actually snapping to the display edge, but it sure looks and feels like that's what is happening.
04:51 < ssm_> do you make the grid size the size of your display resolution?
04:51 < Bradipo> You're right that with SnapAttraction it does *not* snap to the display edge.
04:52 < Bradipo> No, I tried 10 10 and 100 100.
04:52 < Bradipo> With 10 10, as I approach the edge of the display it *seems* to snap.
04:52 < ssm_> it will snap, though it should be snapping at every grid point
04:53 < Bradipo> Yes, it does.
04:53 < Bradipo> And the edge might be a "grid point".
04:53 < ssm_> top left should be; the others depend on if your grid size cleanly divides into your resolution
04:54 < ssm_> I would think anyways, I haven't tested
04:54 < Bradipo> Yeah, it seems to snap just fine to the edge, left or right, however, with larger values, it's clear that you're right.
04:55 < Bradipo> If I have a large snap grid, then the windows don't "snap" to each other.
04:55 < Bradipo> So I can have either a grid (which allows edge snapping) or the attraction, which allows window snapping but doesn't necessarily snap to the display edge.
04:56 < Bradipo> Still, this is not a big selling point for me.  I use a small value for SnapGrid.
04:57 < mischief> try spectrwm :-)
04:58 < Bradipo> I actually have used spectrwm.  I used it for a couple of years on a laptop that had a terrible mouse pad.
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04:59 < ssm_> oh yeah the other problem with fvwm is that the motif theme is very sexy, but it doesn't look good on hi-dpi displays
04:59 < mischief> i keep meaning to switch, with the slow impending death of X
04:59 < mischief> very hard though.
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05:00 < Bradipo> ssm_: I take it back...
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05:00 < Bradipo> If I turn on SnapGrid and SnapAttraction at the same time, it does seem to do both.
05:00 < ssm_> yeah the manpage says it should
05:01 < Bradipo> So I set SnapGrid 10 10 and SnapAttraction 10 and as I move close to a window, it snaps, and as I move close to the edge it "seems" to snap.
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05:02 < Bradipo> Now, what I wish fvwm had was a SnapGap.
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05:02 < Bradipo> Sometimes I want windows to "snap" for alignment, but with a 2 pixel gap between them.
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05:04 < ssm_> set a negative snapgap to snap windows inside eachother, the design is very human
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05:44 < FlyingDutchman> I need a little assistance with my PF rules
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05:51 < ssm_> FlyingDutchman: you already told us your pf rules pass all traffic. whatever you're issue with TOR is is not due to pf
05:51 < ssm_> unless this is something else
05:53 < gnucode> byteskeptical thanks
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05:56 < FlyingDutchman> ssm_: whenever I disable pf tor traffic passes
06:02 < FlyingDutchman> I'm using an OpenBSD Desktop
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06:06 < mischief> did you try adding log modifiers/look at pflog to debug why the traffic is dropped
06:07 < FlyingDutchman> mischief: no, thanks
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06:24 < ssm_> paste your pf.conf?
06:24 < byteskeptical> gone
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06:37 < ssm_> -_-
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06:48 < FlyingDutchman>  I have to allow all incoming traffic for Tor-browser to work
06:48 < FlyingDutchman> I'm on OpenBSD 7.5 
06:50 < mischief> if you expect help you should probably post your pf ruleset
06:52 < FlyingDutchman> PF Ruleset:
06:52 < FlyingDutchman> block all
06:52 < FlyingDutchman> pass out all
06:52 < FlyingDutchman> End of ruleset
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06:59 < mischief> tor browser works fine on my vm with a similar ruleset
06:59 < mischief> (block in; pass out;)
07:01 < oen> FlyingDutchman: did you add log to the block rule like mischief suggested?
07:01 < FlyingDutchman> Good to hear. Chromium works without a problem.
07:02 < mischief> that's not even the same thing
07:02 < FlyingDutchman> yes
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07:03 < FlyingDutchman> pass out log all
07:04 < oen> run "tcpdump -nei pflog0" and start tor browser and check if anything is being blocked
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07:06 < FlyingDutchman> yes sir
07:08 < FlyingDutchman> can I paste the output here?
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07:08 < mischief> use a paste site
07:09 < mischief> https://paste.debian.net/ or something
07:10 < FlyingDutchman> https://paste.debian.net/1336398/
07:10 < FlyingDutchman> thank you
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07:11 < Lucas_> FlyingDutchman: is tor running? what is the config for it?
07:12 < FlyingDutchman> pkg_add tor-browser thats all I did
07:13 < mischief> only tor traffic in this log is the control port on 9151 and it was passed
07:15 < FlyingDutchman> https://paste.debian.net/plain/1336399
07:18 < mischief> did you actually add log to the block rule
07:19 < FlyingDutchman> yeah
07:21 < FlyingDutchman> denying all incoming traffic only allowing outgoing works on ufw in debian
07:21 < FlyingDutchman> when using tor
07:22 < pardis> well, nothing is getting blocked
07:22 < pardis> case solved
07:24 < mischief> yea something doesn't add up. your log shows nothing blocked by pf, if you truely have 2 rules and both have log directives. tor browser works on my openbsd vm on my lan with similar pf rules, and i also have a tor instance on my openbsd gateway, which also works
07:27 < FlyingDutchman> It's very strange I only have two rules
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07:31 < FlyingDutchman> only one rule has log directives
07:31 < pardis> wrong, you already told us otherwise
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07:32 < FlyingDutchman> pass out log all was the only log directive
07:32 < pardis> so you were lying before?
07:32 < pardis> not a very good way to get help
07:35 < FlyingDutchman> troll
07:35 < pardis> thanks for clarifying that so we can ignore you
07:37 < FlyingDutchman> thank you for your help
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07:41 < Lucas_> FlyingDutchman: can you send the output of `pfctl -sr` and `rcctl get tor`?
07:42 < Lucas_> and as I asked earlier, are you sure it's running? and what is the config?
07:42 < pardis> they already left
07:42 < Lucas_> no?
07:43 < Lucas_> oh well, for some reason irssi still autocompletes it
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10:40 < moviuro> Hi all, do we have anything packaged or in base that could act as an HTTP tarpit? (very slowly send data over the connection to hog threads from spammers/scanners) I know of endlessh for sshd, and I can find a few for HTTP on github, but haven't found anything packaged on the repos
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10:46 < sibiria> a very narrow queue in pf for port 80/443
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10:50 < moviuro> queue slowhttp on egress bandwidth 5 \n\n pass in quick log on egress from <brutes> to (self) port {http,https} set queue slowhttp ?
10:51 < sibiria> something like that yeah
10:52 < sibiria> you may need to specify a root and parent queue definition. i honestly forgot, been a while since i had any queues in my ruleset
10:53 < sibiria> parent/chlid*
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10:53 < sibiria> easy enough to test
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10:58 < moviuro> yup, looks like pf is unhappy ATM: /etc/pf.conf.new:15: queue slowhttp is not defined
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11:05 < mischief> what's the point? why not just drop connections you don't want
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12:39 < orwell> Moin! I'm trying to set up an iBGP session to another router, but route -n show -inet only shows announced routes from my own network. So only a few internal routes but not full table. Any ideas why other prefixes don'tget into the routing table?
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13:25 < moviuro> mischief: 1. bog down the bad guys 2. learn one thing or two
13:26 < mischief> you might learn the bad guys can open many more connections than you can handle if you let them
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15:34 < IcePic> mischief: still two points in one!
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