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00:21 < gnucode> man man still shows lots of ???  
00:22 < gnucode> https://clbin.com/2RWtH   <-- my ~/.profile
00:22 < gnucode> I thought I had successfully modified my path before, but apparently not.
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00:27 < thrig> echo 'echo '\''IS THIS FILE BEING READ'\''' >> ~/.profile
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00:38 < niftily> gnucode: did you try adding `LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8' to .xsession file?
00:39 < gnucode> I did not.
00:39 < gnucode> I put it in ~/.profile  maybe that was the problem
00:40 < niftily> how do you start the x server?
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00:41 < pardis> LC_ALL is very unlikely to be the problem if 'man man' is showing you gibberish
00:42 < pardis> man(1) doesn't use any non-ASCII characters
00:42 < pardis> where exactly in the page are you seeing that?
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00:43 < gnucode> pardis: in a terminal typing in man man
00:43 < pardis> there is no terminal in the man page
00:43 < gnucode> man ??? display manual pages
00:43 < gnucode> that's the first line.
00:43 < gnucode> or near the top of the file rather
00:44 < niftily> is it xterm that you use or another fancy terminal?
00:44 < gnucode> xfce4-terminal
00:44 < pardis> does it work in xterm?
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00:44 < gnucode> if I do this: 
00:44 < gnucode> LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8  xfce4-terminal
00:44 < gnucode> in the new terminal
00:44 < gnucode> man man
00:44 < gnucode> the ??? goes away
00:44 < pardis> okay, good
00:45 < gnucode> env does not show LC_ALL or LANG
00:45 < niftily> how do you start your x session?
00:45 < niftily> startx or xenodm?
00:45 < gnucode> rcctl enable xenodm
00:45 < niftily> then the line should go in .xsession, before the last line that starts xfce
00:46 < gnucode> kk
00:46 < gnucode> why there I wonder instead of profile
00:47 < niftily> every prog started in xfce... will have that variable set, including xfce-terminal
00:47 < niftily> be sure to export though
00:48 < pardis> because .profile is the file loaded by a login shell, and you are not running a login shell
00:48 < niftily> `export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8'
00:48 < pardis> putting things in files with the wrong purpose will often lead to them not applying
00:49 < gnucode> ahhh.  xenodm is not using a login shell.  Good to know.
00:49 < niftily> it's the terminal emulator that runs a shell
00:50 < gnucode> gotcha.
00:51 < gnucode> Well let me try logging out and in again to see if this fixed things.
00:51 < gnucode> brb
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00:55 < gnucode> thanks! that worked!
00:55 < niftily> good
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00:57 < thrig> https://thrig.me/tmp/unicodisms.txt
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01:06 < gnucode> I am also really impressed by pf by the way.  My config is super simple but only enables https and other essential stuff that I use.
01:07 < dlg> i like logging in pf too
01:08 < ssm_> tcpdump is confusing and I'm dumb :S
01:08 < gnucode> ssm_: somehow I don't think that you are dumb.  :)  
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01:08 < ssm_> at least the manpage examples are good enough for a noob
01:08 < ssm_> gnucode: eh, good at some things, bad at others
01:09 < gnucode> the man pages are really good.  I just re-figured out how to autologin on xenodm
01:10 < gnucode> I figure since I have to type in the password to decrypt the drive at login, then there's really no need to re-authenticate my user at login again.
01:10 < gnucode> and I use a laptop that is not on all the time.
01:11 < ssm_> any protection short of encryption is useless against an attacker than has hardware access
01:11 < ssm_> s/than/that/
01:14 < seninha> i skipped sysupgrade snapshots with /usr/lib/libutil.so.19.0 and `pkg_add` is issuing bad major when adding and updating some packages which have not been re{linked,packaged} with libutil.so.20.0
01:14 < seninha> what could i do (other than wait?)
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01:15 < seninha> build the port, i think... (but chromium is the package)
01:15 < seninha> not on this 12 year-old thinkpad
01:16 < ssm_> you could try to rebuild the old libutil
01:17 < seninha> ssm_, for that i'd just have to checkout an old commit of src and `make build -C /usr/src/lib/libutil` ? (I am using -current and my /usr/src is cloned from github mirror)
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01:21 < ssm_> seninha: dumping the make targets I don't see a build target. there is an install target, though
01:23 < ssm_> version is stored in shlib_version
01:26 < ssm_> unless you want to build against a source tree sync'd to libutil 19 though, you may run into dependency issues
01:27 < ssm_> so waiting might be better unless you want to update your whole src tree (and that's also assuming no portability issues in your currently installed utilities & kernel with the old version, though that's less likely)
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01:27 < seninha> yeah, i am gonna just wait for the buildfarms
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01:28 < seninha> the real think is python; i want to install it and test something. But i will probably not know how to deal with dependency issues
01:28 < seninha> thanks :D
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01:29 < seninha> unstable system is unstable
01:29 < seninha> -- Linus 
01:29 < niftily> seninha: can't you create a symlink?
01:30 < ssm_> nothing has ever gone wrong symlinking libraries to the wrong versions
01:31 < niftily> cd /usr/lib; doas ln -s libutil.so.20.0 libutil.so.19.0
01:31 < seninha> probably; i'll just wait tho
01:31 < seninha> meh, it's 22:30 here and spend a night fighting my system just to test some program is not worth the night lost...
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01:32 < seninha> (gonna lose it doomscrolling on telegram rather)
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01:32 < thrig> besides total system failure when a user updated glibc and broke everything
01:33 < thrig> also, cd /usr/lib && ...
01:33 < ssm_> also, doas to root account bypasses root password
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01:40 < pardis> symlinking libraries in this particular way is fairly low-risk on OpenBSD, since you can only break the packages that are already broken
01:40 < pardis> it will not cause anything linked against libutil.so.20.0 to start using libutil.so.19.0
01:41 < pardis> (unlike, say, doing ln -s libutil.so.20.0 libutil.so.20.1)
01:42 < niftily> besides, libraries apis are backward-compatible, in my experience
01:42 < pardis> the purpose of bumping the major soname version is precisely that they are not backward-compatible
01:42 < pardis> although usually the incompatibility will be in one or two symbols, and you're quite likely to find they're not used by the thing you're trying to unbreak
01:53 < niftily> and most often symbols are added, not removed neither changed
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09:23 < Manis> Hi. I'm new to OpenBSD, so please forgive me if I ask some very basic questions.
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09:24 < Manis> I'm trying to configure hotplugd to open an xminicom in the running X session when a USB serial device is connected.
09:24 < Manis> How can I resolve the ucomN to a cua device?
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09:31 < mischief> Manis: is ucomN not also just cuaU0N?
09:33 < Manis> mischief: is it? I don't know :-)
09:33 < Lucas_> check `sysct hw.ucomnames` after plugging it in
09:34 < Lucas_> that will give you an stable name (based on the USB port tho) that you can use in `cu`
09:36 < Manis> Lucas_: this I know but only in cu, not minicom.
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09:37 < Manis> Or should I be using cu instead of minicom?
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09:43 < Lucas_> oh, missed the part about minicom, sorry
09:43 < Lucas_> I'd say that, if cu is enough for you, use it instead of minicom
09:48 < Manis> I started with minicom because that's what I've been using for years on Linux.
09:48 < Manis> I experimented a bit with cu and I liked it at first, especially because it doesn't always interfere with me with its escape key.
09:49 < Manis> The only thing I couldn't yet get working is the 1.5M baud rate. 
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10:04 < IcePic> openbsd doesn't have divider numbers for rates that high
10:04 < IcePic> or at least didn't, last I looked
10:06 < mischief> i've had 921600 baud work before. not tried higher.
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10:14 < Lucas_> Manis: wdym? I used it several times at 1.5M
10:15 < Manis> Hmm, interesting, Lucas_.
10:16 < Manis> Maybe it's my machine only having a USB 1 port then which is the problem.
10:16 < Manis> 1500000 baud is pretty close to 12 Mbps.
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10:19 < Manis> But the USB adapter is USB 1.1 only also when connected to a Linux machine which has USB 3
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10:50 < brynet> It's device/driver specific.
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12:00 < rnkn> op2, Lucas_: thanks
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19:52 < Filystyn> what was the way to save to variable in make file command output
19:53 < Filystyn> long time ago i did something like that and it worked!
19:53 < Filystyn> but can't find that file anymore
19:53 < Filystyn> ~\~
19:54 < ssm_> save to variable... in the output? I'm confused. If you use != or !!= you expand a shell command to a variable
19:55 < ssm_> s/variable/macro/
19:55 < Filystyn> great
19:55 < Filystyn> thx!
19:57 < ssm_> !!= is almost identical to !=, but !!= only expands and runs the shell command when its needed
19:58 < ssm_> != should be used in portable makefiles (it's in posix make now, along with += and ?=)
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