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01:03 < gnucode> grrrr.  Apparently OpenBSD doesn't support my wifi chip.  Atheros AR9300
01:04 < gnucode> The athn driver provides support for a wide variety of Atheros 802.11n devices, ranging from the AR5008 up to the AR9287.
01:04 < gnucode> My chip is just slightly too new.  :( 
01:04 < gnucode> well I guess it's not really new.  
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01:23 < ssm_> you could just try adding it to athn and see if it automagically works lol
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01:30 < gnucode> how would I add it to athn and see if it works?
01:30 < gnucode> ifconfig doesn't show it.  :(
01:30 < gnucode> also is anyone using the torris omnia router on OpenBSD?
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01:35 < gnucode> apparently OpenBSD will run on the Torris Mox
01:35 < gnucode> https://www.openbsd.org/arm64.html
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02:00 < mischief> gnucode: you would add the vid/did to the driver probably, but you probably also need appropriate firmware..
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02:05 < gnucode> mischief: I'm not sure what the vid/did is ?
02:05 < gnucode> and I am running a T400 librebooted laptop.  I believe there is free firmare (that GNU/FSF endorses).  Not sure if that would run on OpenBSD.
02:05 < gnucode> for my wifi chip.
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02:06 < mischief> vendor id and product id, it's how pci devices are recognized
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02:08 < mischief> if you add PCI_PRODUCT_ATHEROS_AR9300 to athn_pci_devices in https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/sys/dev/pci/if_athn_pci.c?rev=1.24&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup it might just work
02:09 < ssm_> default partitioning should make a large enough src and obj partition for you to build your own kernels
02:09 < ssm_> if your disk is large enough, that is
02:10 < polarian> someone with gnu in their username using OpenBSD... little ironic no?
02:10  * polarian will shut up now
02:11  * ssm_ sends polarian gnudes
02:12 < polarian> ssm_: is it licenced under the GPL?
02:13 < oldlaptop> failure to be a license zealot strikes me as healthy and reasonable, not "ironic"
02:14 < oldlaptop> (or whatever - I guess one reason to bother with OpenBSD is to have less GNU code to deal with when, say, for some reason you want to be able to read and understand the implementation of some libc routine)
02:15 < oldlaptop> (so that's ironic, I suppose?)
02:15 < polarian> oldlaptop: this is OpenBSD, nobody here is sane
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02:17 < polarian> also I cant help it if the GPL sucks... its a hill I will die on :)
02:17 < polarian> Dont get me wrong I still use GPL over proprietary, but if you hand me a BSD alternative I am taking it
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02:17 < polarian> anyways considering OpenBSDs strong stance against GNU/GPL I thought it was a little ironic thats all
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02:34 < oldlaptop> One "uses" a license by licensing one's creative work under it.
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02:38 < thrig> I would like to buy a fish license
02:40 < oldlaptop> the bait shop should have you covered
02:44 < ssm_> importance tierist, high to low: license(proprietary), build system sanity, code complexity/number of dependencies, programming language, github, license(open source/foss), stupid developer twitter political drama
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03:00 < gnucode> mischief: "Atheros AR9300" rev 0x01 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 not configured 
03:01 < gnucode> mischief: thanks for the tip!  I might just try that!
03:01 < gnucode> I've never actually compiled the OpenBSD kernel before.
03:03 < gnucode> polarian: I get that a lot.  yes I'm a GNU fan AND OpenBSD fan.
03:03 < gnucode> https://gnucode.me/about.html  openbsd is listed on my website as things that I think are cool.
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03:27 < remiliascarlet> polarian: Insane people can be found in every community that isn't just a 5 member niche club.
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03:48 < polarian> remiliascarlet: it was meant as a joke :/
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07:22 < dlg> anyone want to test a pppoe diff for me?
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07:51 < quinq> That does what?
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08:34 < IcePic> "good shitz", as mickey@ used to say
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08:48 < dlg> its meant to speed up rx performance
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10:29 < kevin> `man 8 sysupgrade` says "Skipping versions may work". 7.2/7.3 -> 7.6. good idea? bad idea? terrible idea?
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10:40 < cgnarne> fuck around and find out
10:43 < kucha> kevin: it depends; you are on your own; it's a new "feature" of 7.6; per that man page, it's not tested; etc. etc.
10:43 < IcePic> if you can't recover from a bad update, then its not a good idea
10:43 < kucha> there are anecdotes like this one: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=172978814124429&w=2
10:43 < IcePic> if your backups are fine and you are confident about being able to restore, then its a less bad idea
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12:19 < finkfox> hi. on openbsd 7.6: pip install -v opencv-python fails with something like "ld: error: unable to find library -lgcc" maybe someone here has experience with that?
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12:24 < shtrophic> Opencv on openbsd
12:24 < shtrophic> Now we are entering uncanny valley
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12:28 < shtrophic> gcc is installed as egcc IIRC
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12:30 < xse> opencv-4.10.0p1 seems to provide the same python thing
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14:13 < kucha> btw, i was wondering too: release notes mention GCC as a system major component. i can't find it in base. (there is gcc-local.1 man page though.) where is it? is it a part of the source code base only?
14:17 < sibiria> it's in the ports
14:17 < xse> only in base on some architecture or something like that
14:17 < sibiria> yeah some of the obscure systems still don't build with clang
14:19 < kucha> sibiria: no, i mean ports and packages aside. ports have a much more recent version than base and is mentioned in the notes separately
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14:20 < sibiria> kucha: it's just phrasing. gcc is only part of the base system on a select few architectures that haven't been (or cannot be) migrated to clang
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14:20 < sibiria> kucha: pkg_info -Q gcc
14:41 < Lucas_> kevin: skipping worked for me
14:41 < Lucas_> I think I went from 7.3 to 7.6
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20:03 < meml0rz> Whats up?
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21:04 < p3s> the sjy
21:04 < p3s> sky
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21:07 < quinq> But not the moon
21:08 < mischief> i'm messing around with ansible again
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21:48 < yang3> How do I go to/edit file on the linux partition? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/0dd709df/
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21:49 < yang3> i guess I need to mount it first inside of openbsd
21:49 < yang3> but how
21:49 < njn> yeah, hopefully its ext2
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21:50 < yang3> it is
21:50 < yang3> but how do I list it and mount it?
21:51 < njn> mount -t ext2 or mount_ext2fs
21:52 < yang3> fdisk -l /dev/wd0 ?
21:53 < njn> disklabel <dev>
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21:53 < yang3> disklabel wd0
21:54 < yang3> # fdisk -l wd0
21:54 < yang3> fdisk: Block argument invalid [64..4294967295].
21:56 < mischief> is wd0 actually your disk
21:56 < njn> huh? look at the disklabel of the device
21:56 < yang3> its my disk
21:57 < njn> this is a hard drive? ide?
21:57 < yang3> right
21:58 < njn> then look at the disklabel for wd0 <disklabel -pm wd0>
21:58 < njn> and mount the ext2fs slice
21:58 < yang3> # disklabel-pm wd0
21:58 < yang3> ksh: disklabel-pm: not found
21:59 < yang3> ah its a space 
21:59 < yang3> i:             1.0M                1  ext2fs
22:01 < yang3> mount /dev/wd0i -t ext2 /mnt
22:01 < yang3> ?
22:01 < njn> so, if its i, then mount_ext2fs /dev/wd0i /mnt
22:01 < yang3> ok
22:01 < yang3> thanks
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22:07 < yang3> documentation for loongson is really well made, congrats
22:08 < yang3> loongson/openbsd
22:08 < njn> all the openbsd docs are fantastic
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22:11 < yang3> is there a program to test the drive for badblocks/errors?
22:11 < yang3> while being booted into the system
22:13 < oldlaptop> smartctl from the smartmontools package can ask the drive to test itself
22:13 < oldlaptop> your friends dd and cat can attempt to read the whole thing and see what happens then
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22:14 < oldlaptop> (or write to the whole thing - obviously this approach has drawbacks)
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22:21 < sibiria> atactl in base system can do it, too
22:21 < sibiria> but it doesn't "understand" as many drives as smartctl does
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22:31 < finkfox> still struggling to "pip install opencv-python". i'd be happy to share a log. which pastebin is usually used here?
22:32 < yang3> What am i doing wrong, I modified boot.cfg...but on reboot, the bootup screen dissapears? https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b5b6d9ca/
22:35 < mischief> finkfox: 0x0.st bpaste paste.debian.net all fine
22:36 < oldlaptop> (the one in the topic is only there because it's sometimes convenient for commandline use)
22:36 < mischief> yang3: probably nobody here has experience with lemote machines. you may need to write to the mailing list
22:36 < yang3> ok
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22:40  * oldlaptop is put off by the proof-of-life image at loongson.html alone, which appears to be entirely devoid of trackpoint
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22:46 < mischief> since the new fancy thing is riscv, a port to this might be neat https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/01/10/lichee-console-4a-portable-risc-v-development-terminal-review-unboxing-teardown-hands-on/
22:47 < oldlaptop> Oooh. Now that's mildly interesting.
22:47 < mischief> it's likely not fast but it'd probably still run circles around any of those old lemote machines..
22:47 < oldlaptop> incorrect trackpoint location, but it's probably still workable
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22:50 < yang3> nice little thing
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22:52 < njn> i have enough computers/junk
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22:53 < oldlaptop> ...!
22:53 < mischief> i will hopefully have a milk-v megrez board to play with soon
22:53 < mischief> and 6 months on, i still haven't got my fucking clockworkpi console
22:54 < oldlaptop> one of these days I'll actually order one of those hifive things
22:54 < yang3> I still have a shelved Starfive visionfive board for more than a year, because the Linux procedure to install is soooooo long
22:54 < mischief> yang3: openbsd supports that :-)
22:55 < mischief> it will also probably run circles around your lemote
22:55 < yang3> nice
22:56 < oldlaptop> https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/SiFive/HF105-001?qs=Imq1NPwxi75JBw6ulD0quQ%3D%3D seems really interesting at that price
22:57 < mischief> oldlaptop: the megrez is more or less the hifive unmatched, but slightly cheaper and a few extra bits on it
22:57 < oldlaptop> ah
22:58 < oldlaptop> to include openbsd/riscv64 dropping in and running? (or would that be a project)
22:58 < mischief> i am kind of hoping it just works, but i have little exp with riscv
22:58 < mischief> just the milk-v duo which is too smol to do much with
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23:10 < finkfox> ok here is the failure log of "pip install opencv-python" https://clbin.com/dsyzn
23:11 < finkfox> I usually try to avoid pip/python. maybe someone with more knowledge would like to have a look?
23:11 < oldlaptop> without particular domain knowledge, the lines about "Ignoring numpy" don't seem to augur well
23:12 < oldlaptop> the compile errors down by the bottom read rather like "this program doesn't build with clang"
23:12 < mischief> haha
23:12 < mischief> it's downloading and compiling cmake on it's own, classic
23:12 < oldlaptop> how to make pip use egcc from ports would be a question for someone not me
23:13 < mischief> what if you install cmake from packages first?
23:13 < oldlaptop> (whether you want pip doing all of this stuff is another excellent question)
23:13 < oldlaptop> Oh - that's not just a thing that builds with cmake, it's actually trying to build cmake?!
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23:14 < oldlaptop> Consecrated manure.
23:14 < finkfox> right
23:14 < finkfox> "Building wheels for collected packages: cmake"
23:14 < oldlaptop> "wat"
23:14 < oldlaptop> So hopefully it'll at least pick up ports cmake if you install that.
23:15 < oldlaptop> Perhaps whatever it's building cmake to build is also in ports, and perhaps it'd pick that up and not have to do this in the first place.
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23:15 < oldlaptop> https://openports.pl/path/math/py-scipy,python3 ?
23:15 < finkfox> cmake is already installed.
23:16 < oldlaptop> for that matter why not https://openports.pl/path/graphics/opencv ?
23:17 < oldlaptop> looks like more or less the same version, even (?)
23:18 < oldlaptop> if you only want pip so you can install under a venv or whatever, there's some knob to twiddle to make python's venvs pick up system packages
23:18 < finkfox> i already tried that. the opencv package installs fine. however. I'm actually tring to "pip install "camelot-py[base]" ... which needs opencv-python. and that will not work.
23:19 < finkfox> yes, i'm in a venv
23:19 < oldlaptop> There's some affirmative step you need to take to configure your venv so system packages are visible to its pip, etc.
23:19 < finkfox> when running camelot it complains about not finding module "cv2"
23:20 < finkfox> oldlaptop: where can I learn about that?
23:20 < oldlaptop> "the python documentation somewhere", probably the venv module?
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23:21 < oldlaptop> https://docs.python.org/3/library/venv.html#creating-virtual-environments documents an option that appears to be what I remember
23:21 < oldlaptop> there's a configuration file inside there somewhere too, which I assume that option affects
23:22 < finkfox> ok I will try to go that path. thank you for now, very much appreciated.
23:22 < oldlaptop> "The created pyvenv.cfg file also includes the include-system-site-packages key..."
23:23 < finkfox> ok
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23:23 < finkfox> that pip/python stuff is dubios to me, so much complexity.
23:23 < oldlaptop> No argument here.
23:24 < oldlaptop> At least it's not node.js.
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23:25 < mischief> you could download the git repo and just remove cmake from the deps
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23:46 < finkfox> configured my venv with "python3 -m venv --system-site-packages myenv"
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23:46 < finkfox> installed opencv package, this works "python -c "import cv2; print(cv2.__version__)"
23:48 < finkfox> yet "pip install "camelot-py[base]" is still "Collecting opencv-python>=3.4.2.17 (from camelot-py[base])"
23:48 < finkfox> and the build fails like before
23:49 < mischief> fyi this bug seems to be already reported at https://github.com/scikit-build/cmake-python-distributions/issues/457
23:51 < finkfox> mischief: ah thank you
23:54 < finkfox> I installed "camelot" from git repo, and now it seems to work. what a madness. thank you all!
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