--- Log opened Tue Dec 03 00:00:07 2024 --- Day changed Tue Dec 03 2024 00:00 -!- deepesttoaster [~deepestto@user/deepesttoaster] has joined #openbsd 00:02 < yang3> is there a different FAQ than #15, where I can learn how to compile/build programs without having ports? 00:02 < ssm_> Watching some sgi openbsd video from 10 years ago, it's so funny how silly the Gallant font looks now 00:03 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@128.6.147.42] has joined #openbsd 00:03 < dlg> which programs? 00:03 < ssm_> yang3: why can't you use ports? 00:04 < yang3> non-existent 00:04 < dlg> you want to write your own? 00:04 < yang3> no 00:04 < mischief> ports certainly exists, last i checked 00:04 -!- Hackerpcs [~user@user/hackerpcs] has quit [Quit: Hackerpcs] 00:04 < yang3> ? 00:05 < yang3> I mean there are no loongson binaries made on the mirrors? 00:05 < mischief> that is correct 00:05 < mischief> there are no _packages_ 00:05 < yang3> so, what can I do to comčile my own programs? 00:05 < yang3> to compile 00:05 < mischief> you can still build the equivalent yourself from _ports_ 00:06 < ssm_> mischief: didn't a guy say mip64 packages should work on loongson? 00:06 -!- tcb [~quassel@212-51-143-151.fiber7.init7.net] has joined #openbsd 00:06 -!- tcb [~quassel@212-51-143-151.fiber7.init7.net] has quit [Changing host] 00:06 -!- tcb [~quassel@user/tcberner] has joined #openbsd 00:06 < ssm_> s/mip/&s 00:06 < mischief> ssm_: who's a guy 00:07 < mischief> my understanding is the mips64 packages are big endian, say, for octeon 00:07 < mischief> loongson is little endian, afaict 00:07 < mischief> yang3: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html explains ports 00:08 < yang3> mischief, ok thank you I'll have a read in the morning, I am done for today :) 00:08 -!- tcberner [~quassel@user/tcberner] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:08 < mischief> see also the manual for ports(7) 00:09 < yang3> ok 00:10 < yang3> it might be "fun" seeing it to compile, because it's slow 00:10 < thrig> not really if the chattering ide drive goes on for two weeks 00:10 < ssm_> yang3: you can set up a ports tree with cvs as described in https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html. You likely didn't create a /usr/ports partition during install, so you'll have to symlink it to a location in /home or /var most likely 00:11 < yang3> ok 00:11 < mischief> if you build anything that isn't trivial C it will probably take a Very Long Time(tm) 00:11 < yang3> right, hehe 00:14 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:14 < mischief> yang3: before you go, can you run my favorite benchmark? 00:15 -!- viq|w [~viq@user/viq] has joined #openbsd 00:16 < yang3> sure 00:16 < mischief> openssl speed dsa 00:17 -!- UDENIX [~UDENIX@user/udenix] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@128.6.147.42] has quit [Quit: gatlinggoat] 00:19 < yang3> mischief, here it is https://paste.debian.net/plainh/b508648a 00:19 < mischief> wow :) 00:20 < yang3> ;) 00:21 < mischief> my J4115 has 4136.0 512 bit sign/s 00:22 < sibiria> slow but it's chugging along 00:22 -!- ikarso [uid475540@id-475540.tinside.irccloud.com] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 00:23 -!- UDENIX [~UDENIX@user/udenix] has joined #openbsd 00:24 < mischief> my 7950x has 17064.6 1024 bit sign/s (linux openssl disabled 512 bit dsa a while back) 00:25 < mischief> 2 orders of magnitude faster xD 00:26 < sibiria> my macbook air does ~50k dsa1024 signatures/sec, on the low-perf cores 00:27 < sibiria> lisa su vs tim cook 00:27 -!- SixWarrior [~DankFrank@2a01:4b00:940e:f600:b8a8:4db2:63c8:bb5] has joined #openbsd 00:27 < mischief> is that on openbsd 00:27 < sibiria> macos, with libressl 3.3.6 00:28 < mischief> at that rate it might be hw accel'd 00:28 < sibiria> not sure. i'm guessing it's mainly the otherwordly performance of apple's arm cores 00:30 < mischief> never used one and i've never really looked at perf benchmarks, but the single core perf is certainly not that strong compared to ryzens 00:30 -!- SaxWarrior [~DankFrank@2a01:4b00:940e:f600:7d94:bad4:11d9:f07d] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:33 < sibiria> this thing runs faster than my ryzen 5 5600G 00:34 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@213.196.101.110] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36 < mischief> it is faster than am4, but am5 can compete 00:36 < mischief> amd failed on the memory bandwidth compared to apple, though, at least for the consumer platforms 00:38 < mischief> sibiria: what about openssl speed -bytes 8192 sha512 00:39 < mischief> i guess libressl doesnt have that option, so openssl speed sha512 and wait 00:39 -!- redruM [~redrum@user/redrum] has joined #openbsd 00:40 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 00:42 < sibiria> 419473.21k on the low-perf cores 00:42 < mischief> suspicious 00:43 < mischief> 212126.22k J4115/openbsd 876993.33k 4600g/linux 1198888.28k 7950x/linux 00:44 < sibiria> my odroid h3: 249528.32k 00:44 < mischief> that seems right 00:45 < mischief> hm, let me check the new 9950x we got at work 00:47 < mischief> jeez, 1512311.47k 00:53 -!- gipa [~gipa@user/gipa] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:55 -!- 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06:41 < remiliascarlet> They did up until 7.5. 06:42 < brynet> There is usually a delay for packages to be built for slower architectures, but they are uploaded when they're done. 06:42 < brynet> 7.6 packages for powerpc/macppc has been available since October 31. 06:42 < brynet> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=173038608417945&w=2 06:43 < brynet> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/packages/powerpc/ 06:43 < remiliascarlet> Broken URL. 06:43 < mischief> sthen replied to yang3 on the list, he said 6 weeks to build ports for the yeeloong lemote xD 06:43 < mischief> remiliascarlet: all works here, i see the powerpc packages 06:43 < remiliascarlet> Yes, they were already there for powerpc, but last I checked I wasn't able to do "pkg_add" on macppc. 06:44 < remiliascarlet> mischief: I was talking about the marc.info link. 06:44 < mischief> works here too 06:44 < brynet> marc.info works fine. 06:44 < remiliascarlet> It says "このサイトにアクセスできません" (This site cannot be accessed) on my end. 06:44 -!- redruM [~redrum@user/redrum] has quit [Quit: !] 06:45 < remiliascarlet> It has been that way for almost a year now. 06:45 < brynet> Then it's being filtered on your end. 06:45 < remiliascarlet> Or the site owners are filtering me. 06:45 < remiliascarlet> Because the only thing I filter on my end is Facebook. 06:46 < lts> Do you do your own DNS and Internet routing as well? 06:46 < TommyC> That's Japanese. I'm in South Korea and they filter us too. 06:46 < TommyC> Some sites are worse and throttle us to 5 kbps. 06:47 < remiliascarlet> lts: No, I just filter them through /etc/hosts. 06:48 < remiliascarlet> Seems like marc.info does load if I connect via Tor. 06:48 < brynet> Clearly you have a lot of problems on your end you should look into resolving. 06:48 < remiliascarlet> It doesn't if I connect directly. 06:48 < brynet> Perhaps that has something to do with your issues installing packages. 06:48 < remiliascarlet> Clearly they are blocking my IP for whatever reason. 06:49 < remiliascarlet> No, because package installations aren't done via marc.info. 06:49 < TommyC> remiliascarlet: Try a US mirror. 06:49 < remiliascarlet> And it works without problems on all of my amd64 machines. 06:50 < brynet> powerpc 7.6 packages work fine and are available on mirrors around the world. 06:50 < remiliascarlet> You do realize that PowerBook identifies itself as "macppc", not "powerpc", right? 06:51 < remiliascarlet> uname -m → macppc 06:54 -!- deepesttoaster [~deepestto@user/deepesttoaster] has joined #openbsd 06:56 -!- mxz_ [~mxz@user/mxz] has joined #openbsd 06:56 < brynet> OpenBSD/macppc install packages from /powerpc on the mirrors. 06:59 < brynet> https://man.openbsd.org/machine 07:01 < remiliascarlet> TommyC: The biggest downside of living in the far east is that maybe apart from China, proprietary software is a lot bigger than free software, open source, or both at the same time, and people in the FOSS space do very little to promote FOSS over here. 07:11 < TommyC> remiliascarlet: You're right and it makes me sad. :( 07:20 -!- billchenchina [~billchenc@2a0d:2580:ff0c:201:47cf:ca1:a674:8042] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:35 -!- struchu [~struchu@31.183.191.0] has joined #openbsd 07:35 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 07:38 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@201.103.90.191] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:39 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has joined #openbsd 07:39 -!- billchenchina [~billchenc@103.152.35.21] has joined #openbsd 07:40 -!- gbe [~gbe@ext.ttyv0.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41 -!- gbe [~gbe@ext.ttyv0.de] has joined #openbsd 07:44 -!- tozhu [~tozhu@116.76.185.55] has quit [Quit: tozhu] 07:44 -!- gbe [~gbe@ext.ttyv0.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:45 -!- km [~km@biz.krot.org] has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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They seem to have the ppc packages 12:33 < sibiria> they all have an smp kernel, but on some platforms that kernel just doesn't do smp :) 12:34 < vortexx> oh right 12:34 < vortexx> that's a shame :/ 12:34 < vortexx> one of the 4 four japanese mirrors is doing a 404 but the rest have a full 7.5 and 7.6 mirror including packages 12:37 < vortexx> oops 12:37 < vortexx> this one 404s https://ftp.riken.jp/pub/OpenBSD/ 12:41 < IcePic> vortexx: they have files under /OpenBSD instead of /pub/OpenBSD 12:43 -!- feriman [~feriman@user/feriman] has joined #openbsd 12:48 < vortexx> IcePic: I guess that breaks /etc/installurl by default, you'd need the full irl in there 12:50 -!- LenPayne [~LenPayne@user/lenpayne] has joined #openbsd 12:54 < vortexx> s/irl/url 12:58 -!- aqsd [~aqsd@user/aqsd] has joined #openbsd 13:06 < IcePic> vortexx: we have mentioned it to the email addr of the .jp site admins, but no response yet 13:11 -!- antranigv_ [~antranigv@bsd.am] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:12 -!- KasKoos [~textual@2001:16a2:c01a:6562:6047:6ea:de99:5335] has joined #openbsd 13:16 < vortexx> IcePic: right 13:21 -!- broom-man [~broom-man@2600:1017:b817:ddde:7532:7d55:f9b9:2edb] has joined #openbsd 13:26 -!- d-ra [~d-ra@user/d-ra] has joined #openbsd 13:27 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1002:c8fd:321d:9caa:c4ee:5faf] has joined #openbsd 13:28 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1002:c8fd:321d:9caa:c4ee:5faf] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 13:29 < quinq> /15/15 13:30 -!- broom-man [~broom-man@2600:1017:b817:ddde:7532:7d55:f9b9:2edb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:33 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:33 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has joined #openbsd 13:34 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has joined #openbsd 13:46 -!- KasKoos [~textual@2001:16a2:c01a:6562:6047:6ea:de99:5335] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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They don't all have .mp kernels, see armv7, which does not support SMP. 13:58 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 13:58 < brynet> macppc and powerpc64 support SMP. 14:00 < brynet> "Here, take this with you today if you need it. 14:01 < brynet> ugh, clipboard. 14:01 < brynet> OpenBSD isn't shipping kernels that "just don't work". 14:03 -!- mikewilzn [609e48c489@user/mikewilzn] has joined #openbsd 14:03 < brynet> bizarre thing to say.. 14:03 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has joined #openbsd 14:08 < sibiria> so someone out there really has a multi-cpu luna88k, confirmed to operate? 14:09 -!- niftily [~niftily@user/niftily] has joined #openbsd 14:09 < brynet> yes, luna88k is MP. 14:10 -!- LenPayne [~LenPayne@user/lenpayne] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11 -!- makr [~textual@2001:8f8:1a2d:df:806b:429b:6d5a:961a] has quit [Quit: My Unrecognized Mac has gone to sleep. 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I already did. 15:50 < remiliascarlet> But again, macppc is not the same as powerpc64. 15:55 -!- shiranaihito_ [~shiranaih@192.169.120.44] has joined #openbsd 15:55 -!- Pixi` [~Pixi@user/pixi] has joined #openbsd 15:56 -!- KasKoos [~textual@2001:16a2:c01a:6562:6047:6ea:de99:5335] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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I think that it was broken for transmission 4 too, but that got fixed recently iirc. 16:47 < Lucas_> transmission-remote-gtk is one of the few GUI programs I like using 16:50 < kucha> Lucas_: it's packaged, i have it installed. but its code hasn't been updated, so it refuses do run against transmission-daemon, complains about wrong protocol version. its github page (among issues) says to use flag -X to ignore the proto version and just march on 16:51 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:55 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 17:06 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has joined #openbsd 17:06 < finkfox> hi. how can one run "nvi" and open two files in a vsplit at once form the shell? even possible? 17:10 < kucha> this nvi?-- https://openports.pl/path/editors/nvi 17:10 < Bradipo> Yeah, I do it all the time, but it doesn't split automatically I don't think. 17:11 < Bradipo> Just do: vi a b 17:11 < Bradipo> Then type ":N" to split them. 17:12 -!- rnkn [~rnkn@2001:8004:4450:e122:e89a:e4a2:b745:71d6] has quit [Quit: Client closed] 17:13 < Bradipo> What's even more cool about nvi on OpenBSD is that if you open the same file and split it, you can make edits in different locations in the file at the same "time". 17:13 < Bradipo> vi a, then type ":E" and it will split the current file allowing you to edit in 2 different locations. 17:15 < Bradipo> kucha: No need for ports/packages. OpenBSD's vi is nvi. 17:15 < Bradipo> At least the man page suggests this to be the case. 17:20 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 17:20 < kucha> i wonder why there is a port then? (besides its iconv flavour) 17:20 < Bradipo> Well, OpenBSD's vi is not exactly the same as nvi. 17:21 < Bradipo> There are some differences I imagine. 17:21 < kucha> man, i really don't know how to hold vi after decades of using vim )-: i didn't know vi could split! it's not explicitly mentioned using this term in man, nor in the source code (after a quick glance) 17:22 < Bradipo> man vi talks about split-screen modes. 17:22 < pony> I just use tmux for this tbh 17:23 < Bradipo> kucha: http://man.openbsd.org/vi and search for split 17:23 < Bradipo> pony: tmux is great, but not when you actually do need to edit multiple buffers at the same time in the same vi. :-) 17:23 < Bradipo> Which I do have need for on occasion. 17:24 < pony> yeah it's no good if you want to say, copy text from one to other 17:24 < Bradipo> kucha: And I'm the opposite. After years of using vi, I cannot stand vim. 17:24 < pony> tmux I mean 17:24 < Bradipo> pony: Not necessarily. If all the text fits on one screen, then tmux is good for it. 17:24 < kucha> Bradipo: yeah, i did it like a dozen times already. it's mentioned in quit and write ex-command, isn't it? 17:24 < thrig> my vi disables the split stuff, as I'm forever dragging on the shift key 17:25 < Bradipo> kucha: It's also mentioned in the commands e, fg, n, prev, ta, etc... 17:26 < Bradipo> dragging on the shift key in command mode will have all other kinds of odd deleterious effects. 17:26 < Bradipo> Not just split. 17:26 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:40aa:4fee:81d2:2095] has joined #openbsd 17:26 < kucha> Bradipo: okay, time to get myself a cup of tea. sorry and thanks 17:27 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:40aa:4fee:81d2:2095] has quit [Client Quit] 17:28 -!- jfsimon1981 [~jfsimon19@atoulouse-257-1-58-108.w90-5.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:31 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Quit: "To play for a draw [...] is to some degree a crime against chess." -- Mikhail Tal] 17:31 -!- oraculo [~mirc-rc@177.100.68.254] has joined #openbsd 17:34 -!- megawatt [~megawatt@user/megawatt] has joined #openbsd 17:38 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has joined #openbsd 17:40 < Bradipo> Is there a tool in base that will allow me to measure sections of the screen in pixels? 17:40 < Bradipo> I know of xruler but it's not in ports/packages. 17:41 < kucha> under X? 17:41 < Bradipo> yeah. 17:41 < seninha> Bradipo, there is plasma's kruler 17:41 < seninha> (but it comes with all the kde below it) 17:41 < Bradipo> Yeah, looking for standalone. 17:41 < seninha> (on ports) 17:42 < seninha> x11/xscreenruler port 17:42 < Bradipo> Hmm, let me check that out. 17:42 < Bradipo> I guess I should have just done: pkg_info -Q ruler 17:42 -!- adip [~adip@public-gprs384054.centertel.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:42 < Bradipo> It found both kruler and xscreenruler. 17:45 < seninha> Bradipo, we may also find x11/slop interesting; instead of drawing an actual ruler on the screen[1], you draw a selection rectangle (like those you draw on a file browser to select files) with the mouse and it outputs the size 17:45 < kucha> xwininfo is in base, maybe you can use it to get a dimensions of an arbitrary window that you may use as a ruler 17:45 < seninha> [1]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/vkalyvayut-roboty-a-ne-chelovek/xscreenruler/refs/heads/master/xscreenruler.png 17:46 < seninha> i use slop to draw a selection and use the output metrics to invoke a xterm with that size and position, mimic'ing plan9 drawing terminal thing 17:46 < Bradipo> kucha: Yes, I use xwininfo from base already. 17:46 < Bradipo> But I'm trying to measure something that's *within* the window, and not the full dimensions of the window. 17:47 < seninha> s/we may also find/you may also find/ 17:47 < Bradipo> gollum. 17:50 -!- zwr [~zwr@200-97-246-192.user3p.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55 -!- Pixi` is now known as Pixi 17:56 -!- zwr [~zwr@200-97-246-192.user3p.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #openbsd 18:02 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 18:02 -!- d-ra [~d-ra@user/d-ra] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@68.60.130.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:12 -!- frdem [~frdem@178.157.33.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12 < finkfox> Bradipo: right, that ":N" commands works. however, I would like to get this done directly from shell? 18:12 < finkfox> kucha: yes that nvi 18:13 < finkfox> Bradipo: for example, I have two todo files: "today" "tomorrow". I would like to open them with vertical split at one (as part of my tmux startup) 18:13 < kucha> finkfox: i've tried to play with -c but nothing seemed to work 18:14 < Bradipo> -c is for ex mode. 18:14 < Bradipo> split only works in vi mode. 18:15 -!- makr [~textual@2001:8f8:1a2d:df:806b:429b:6d5a:961a] has quit [Quit: My Unrecognized Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:17 -!- kariosfox [~karol@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17 < Bradipo> finkfox: However, you can make it pretty quick by using a map. 18:18 < kucha> my thinking was that :N is an ex-command, so perhaps it would be run as if typed inside vi. it kinda works in vim. i think it doesn't work in vi, because -c is run after the first file is open (as per the man page) 18:19 < Bradipo> For example, I have the following map in my ~/.exrc: map ^? :N^M 18:19 < vortexx> remiliascarlet: I didn't suggest powerpc64, it should be powerpc for macppc, as someone already pointed out. If setting https://$mirror/pub/OpenBSD doesn't work, try https://$mirror/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/packages/powerpc ? 18:19 < Bradipo> So I just type: vi today tomorrow 18:19 < Bradipo> Then press Delete 18:19 < Bradipo> And it automatically splits them. 18:21 < Bradipo> Yeah, it's not as convenient as it could be with -c. 18:21 < vortexx> I'm not surprised .jp and .sk ISPs throttle massively downloading off CDNs on other continents though. 18:21 < kucha> Bradipo: can you specify multiple ex commands at once? kinda like ";" in C. i think it's "|" in vim. anything similar in vi/ex? 18:22 < Bradipo> Not sure, I haven't ever needed that. 18:22 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@68.60.130.180] has joined #openbsd 18:22 < Bradipo> I usually put mutliple ex commands in ~/.exrc 18:23 < Bradipo> vi also has EXINIT: http://man.openbsd.org/vi#EXINIT 18:25 < Bradipo> EXINIT supports a "list of commands". Maybe -c does as well? 18:28 -!- getz [~getz@user/getz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29 -!- KasKoos [~textual@2001:16a2:c01a:6562:c02:bff0:5332:f61e] has joined #openbsd 18:31 < kucha> then i wonder what makes it plural, i.e. how to put more than one command in there. "\n"? 18:34 < kucha> alright, all the tricks i've tried with these capital letter screen-splitting ex-command result in "command not available in ex mode" 18:35 < Bradipo> kucha: Not sure if ; can be used in this case. In one of my EXINIT variables I cat a file, so it will have newlines in it. 18:35 -!- getz [~getz@user/getz] has joined #openbsd 18:35 < Bradipo> You cannot do split-screen in ex mode. 18:35 < Bradipo> I was not suggesting that EXINIT could be used for this. Merely that it can be used for ex commands, like -c. 18:35 < kucha> and that's an execution context for -c and EXINIT, i suppose 18:36 < kucha> while smth like :N is an ex-command in vi-mode 18:36 < Bradipo> For vi(1), map is probably the best option at this point. 18:36 < Bradipo> No, : puts your vi in ex mode. 18:37 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined #openbsd 18:37 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:37 < kucha> oh, then i find it self-contradictory /-: 18:37 < Bradipo> Oops, I take that back. 18:37 < Bradipo> That is *not* ex mode. 18:37 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined #openbsd 18:37 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:37 < Bradipo> I forget how to get into ex mode... 18:37 < Bradipo> Ahh, it's Q 18:37 -!- vezhlys [~Andrius@213.159.57.238] has joined #openbsd 18:37 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined #openbsd 18:37 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Client Quit] 18:38 < Bradipo> So if you are in vi mode, and press Q, it will go into ex mode. 18:38 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined #openbsd 18:38 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:38 < Bradipo> If you then type N it will give you an error. 18:38 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has joined #openbsd 18:38 -!- kariosfox [~kariosfox@095160156110.dynamic-2-waw-k-4-0-0.vectranet.pl] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:38 < Bradipo> next: command not available in ex mode 18:39 -!- sinvet [sinvet@user/sinvet] has joined #openbsd 18:39 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@68.60.130.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:39 < kucha> yeah, that all makes sense now 18:41 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@128.6.147.42] has joined #openbsd 18:42 -!- znedw0868 [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:43 -!- gnucode [~gnucode@user/jab] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.84] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:44 -!- znedw0868 [~znedw@2400:a846:4040::f61] has joined #openbsd 18:45 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.92] has joined #openbsd 18:52 -!- KasKoos [~textual@2001:16a2:c01a:6562:c02:bff0:5332:f61e] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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It looks like you have to "shift+e" to make it measure the East edge. 19:14 < Bradipo> Or "shift+w" 19:14 < yang3> Bradipo, I ment programs, like "top" , "ls" , "cat" etc. 19:15 < thrig> openbsd ships with a base system, so does not use packages for base tools 19:15 < kucha> batteries included (-: 19:15 < yang3> so which programs are in the base? 19:15 -!- Kruppt [~Kruppt@user/Kruppt] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:16 < kucha> something like: ls /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin 19:16 < sibiria> the ones you have in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin and /usr/sbin 19:16 < yang3> ok 19:17 < kucha> package binaries will go under /usr/local so they won't be mixed up with the base 19:17 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has joined #openbsd 19:18 < kucha> some base "packages" consist of multiple binaries, so another way to look at it is to check the source code 19:18 < kucha> just for example, look at a list of directories under usr.bin: https://github.com/openbsd/src/tree/master/usr.bin 19:18 < phy1729> Also /usr/X11R6/bin. Can't forget glxgears 19:19 < yang3> I downloaded this set /dev/wd0g 2018844 602556 1315348 32% /usr/X11R6 19:19 < yang3> I need to try if X-windows work? 19:19 < kucha> phy1729: ah, true. basically all standard $PATH + some libexec kind of stuff 19:20 < kucha> yang3: are you asking how to start X? 19:20 < yang3> yes 19:21 < kucha> rcctl start xenodm # if you haven't enabled it during install. more info at: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html#StartingX 19:21 < yang3> ok 19:21 < yang3> thank you 19:21 < kucha> startx may also work 19:22 < Bradipo> yang3: http://www.openbsd.org/faq and more specifically http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html 19:23 -!- sysfu [~sysfu@149.248.4.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24 -!- strategictravele [~strategic@user/strategictravele] has quit [Quit: strategictravele] 19:26 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:31 -!- xx [~xx@user/xx] has joined #openbsd 19:40 -!- user71 [~user71@2001:1530:1002:c8fd:321d:9caa:c4ee:5faf] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:43 < yang3> yes, it works :) 19:47 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055:ec2d:ce1e:5fb2:99ba] has joined #openbsd 19:54 -!- adip [~adip@c145-14.icpnet.pl] has joined #openbsd 20:04 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@201.103.90.191] has joined #openbsd 20:04 -!- mover [~hischild@user/mover] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:05 -!- Pixi` [~Pixi@user/pixi] has joined #openbsd 20:07 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@201.103.90.191] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:07 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has joined #openbsd 20:08 -!- Pixi [~Pixi@user/pixi] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:09 -!- makr [~textual@2001:8f8:1a2d:df:806b:429b:6d5a:961a] has joined #openbsd 20:10 -!- Pixi__ [~Pixi@user/pixi] has joined #openbsd 20:13 -!- zenmov [~zenmov@user/zenmov] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14 -!- Pixi` [~Pixi@user/pixi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:16 -!- zenmov [~zenmov@user/zenmov] has joined #openbsd 20:20 -!- sysfu [~sysfu@sysfu.net] has joined #openbsd 20:22 -!- UDENIX [~UDENIX@user/udenix] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:26 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.84] has joined #openbsd 20:27 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:30 -!- foul_owl [~kerry@185.219.141.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35 -!- pikapika_lunar [~pikapika_@pika.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has quit [Quit: Free ZNC ~ Powered by LunarBNC: https://LunarBNC.net] 20:35 -!- pikapika_lunar [~pikapika_@pika.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has joined #openbsd 20:35 -!- UDENIX [~UDENIX@user/udenix] has joined #openbsd 20:37 -!- gawen_ [~gawen@user/gawen] has quit [Quit: cya] 20:39 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:39 -!- geezabiscuit [~geezabisc@user/geezabiscuit] has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in] 20:39 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@201.103.90.191] has joined #openbsd 20:42 -!- makr [~textual@2001:8f8:1a2d:df:806b:429b:6d5a:961a] has quit [Quit: My Unrecognized Mac has gone to sleep. 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Maybe that will be a chance to give it a go once :-) 20:57 < Manis> My only "current" OpenBSD machine is a 366 MHz Pentium 2 :-) 20:57 -!- geezabiscuit [~geezabisc@user/geezabiscuit] has joined #openbsd 20:58 -!- format_c [~format_c@2a02:b98:f181:4094:f550:7488:2d5:5ffa] has quit [Quit: format_c] 21:02 < martian67> Manis: which is part of the problem with PPC in general 21:03 < martian67> software/distributions don't run on machines stored in garages etc 21:04 < Manis> martian67: uuh, it's not stored in a garage. It's running Linux :-) 21:05 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.84] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06 -!- Pixi__ [~Pixi@user/pixi] has joined #openbsd 21:06 -!- uncleyear [~ian@45.80.46.84] has joined #openbsd 21:07 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@68.60.130.180] has joined #openbsd 21:09 -!- Pixi` [~Pixi@user/pixi] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:10 -!- \subline [~join_subl@24-246-63-252.cable.teksavvy.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:11 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@pool-165-230-225-164.nat.rutgers.edu] has joined #openbsd 21:12 -!- Everything [~Everythin@46-133-12-50.mobile.vf-ua.net] has joined #openbsd 21:12 -!- Pixi__ [~Pixi@user/pixi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:12 -!- Pixi__ [~Pixi@user/pixi] has joined #openbsd 21:15 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@pool-165-230-225-164.nat.rutgers.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 21:15 -!- m3a [~m3a@170.52.78.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16 -!- \subline [~join_subl@24-246-63-252.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #openbsd 21:17 -!- adig [~default@109.166.137.184] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:19 -!- zwr [~zwr@200-97-246-192.user3p.veloxzone.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:21 -!- mystic [~mystic@user/mystic] has joined #openbsd 21:23 -!- donofrio_ [~donofrio@68.60.130.180] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24 -!- krl_ [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has joined #openbsd 21:26 < mystic> hi, could someone please tell me if there is a way to check the integrity of the kernel? Excluding reinstallation. 21:26 < dayid> mystic: "integrity" in what manner? Does it work? 21:27 -!- agentcasey [~agentcase@99-106-182-62.lightspeed.elpstx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:27 -!- krl [~krl@h-155-4-221-200.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:30 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@201.103.90.191] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:31 -!- gawen [~gawen@user/gawen] has quit [Quit: cya] 21:32 < mischief> perhaps sha256 -c /var/db/kernel.SHA256, and you could compare that to the sums on the mirrors. 21:32 < phy1729> But if you don't trust the kernel, how can you trust anything it's running? 21:33 < mischief> the solution is simple, defenestrate the computer 21:38 -!- m3a [~m3a@170.52.78.7] has joined #openbsd 21:39 < Bradipo> mischief: That only works if you're in a building with windows and not in a vault. 21:39 -!- gawen [~gawen@user/gawen] has joined #openbsd 21:40 < Bradipo> Or a bunker. 21:40 -!- ivdsangen [~ivo@86-95-161-96.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Quit: https://github.com/ivdsangen] 21:41 < mystic> dayd: I mean it hasn't been compromised with foreign software. Let's say an attacker has root. It would be enough to add a module, tidy up and then recreate the kernel and reboot.. is that correct? 21:42 < mystic> mischief: but isn't the kernel different at every reboot? That is, at every boot the hash changes... 21:43 < eea> since when does openbsd trust root? 21:43 < mystic> eea: so i cant add alien code? 21:44 < eea> mystic: dunno, have you tried? 21:44 < mystic> eea: no.. never.. but openbsd is opensource then it should be possible 21:45 < eea> mystic: possible, sure. plausible? 21:46 < uwharrie> if an attacker has root, they could also modify anything you'd use to attempt to detect tampering on the current system 21:46 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 21:47 < sibiria> unfortunately there's no way to use an anchor of trust to attestate openbsd 21:47 < sibiria> secure boot not supported 21:47 < mystic> eea: I don't know what you mean by plausible.. I'm speaking from an attacker's point of view.. if it's possible, an attacker will find it plausible. 21:47 -!- zenmov [~zenmov@user/zenmov] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:48 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@pool-165-230-225-164.nat.rutgers.edu] has joined #openbsd 21:48 < phy1729> mystic: if they have root they could install a kernel that just lies about any check you want to do 21:49 < mystic> uwharrie: sure, but a user can boot from a reliable external media and operate with it to see if something is wrong.. or if something has been changed. On linux I could boot a live, then have a healthy and reliable system, then use "find" to see if there are strange things. 21:49 < thrig> and worse if they get into the hardware or UEFI or IPMI or 21:49 < uwharrie> nothing is stopping you from doing that here either 21:49 < eea> mystic: so what you are after is sort of a live openbsd toolkit to detect root kits? 21:50 -!- seninha [~seninha@user/seninha] has joined #openbsd 21:50 < mystic> phy1729: as I already said if I start from the installation CD I have a healthy system, I mount it and see if there is something wrong. 21:50 < sibiria> he wants to attest the integrity of the base system 21:50 < phy1729> Would probably be faster to just reinstall base 21:50 < eea> sounds doable, much like polishing granite 21:50 < eea> phy1729 for the win :P 21:50 < vortexx> well the kernel is randomized post install pre first boot, so I dunno how you're going to be sure what's what there 21:51 < sibiria> it's not entirely doable unless you can verity the boot chain 21:51 < sibiria> and with openbsd you can't 21:51 < sibiria> verify* 21:51 < mystic> thrig: I checked uefi and it seems intact. 21:51 < vortexx> someone mentioned there are ways to get secure boot working but it's all manual 21:51 < sibiria> the best one can do is to run FDE and verify the bootloader externally, before starting it. and even that isn't really comparable to secure boot 21:52 < uwharrie> could get some warm fuzzies with mtree and external storage 21:54 -!- MrGoblins [~MrGoblins@2806:107e:13:f129:55e5:6eab:cd1b:7b9] has joined #openbsd 21:55 < mystic> vortexx: how is it randomized? If I'm not mistaken there is a folder with all the small parts of the kernel.. so the kernel is randomized by reordering those parts, so what is important is that those parts are intact.. that is, that there is no extra code.. at that point I take the installation iso and check those parts.. am I wrong? 21:55 < sibiria> that's correct. the object files themselves aren't altered until a syspatch does it 21:56 -!- Martouf [~82e30593@user/Martouf] has joined #openbsd 21:56 < phy1729> And run the relink yourself 21:57 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has joined #openbsd 21:57 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@pool-165-230-225-164.nat.rutgers.edu] has quit [Quit: gatlinggoat] 21:58 < vortexx> at least with openbsd your kernel isn't available until you unlock FDE if you're doing FDE 21:58 < mystic> sibiria: ok, I'm interested in the object files, that they haven't been replaced or that there aren't new ones. If those are ok, then the final product should be ok too.. isn't there a way to determine the randomization a priori so that I can see if the two final products match? 21:59 -!- AmbrosiaOVH [~thelounge@vps-c7444936.vps.ovh.ca] has joined #openbsd 21:59 < sibiria> mystic: i'm not sure how the order is randomized. i'm guessing it's as simple as a shuffle of the list 22:00 < sibiria> the order itself is unimportant. it just needs to differ in order to break something that has an idea of where to jump/read/etc. 22:03 < phy1729> appears to be echo ${OBJS} param.o ioconf.o vers.o | tr " " "\n" | ${SORTR} > lorder; in /usr/share/relink/kernel/GENERIC.MP/Makefile 22:05 < Lucas_> yes, the random is `sort -R` 22:08 < mystic> uwharrie: instead of mtree i'm thinking of making a script that downloads all installed packages and compares the files on disk. Ideally it would also download the base system. I've already made a script that downloads a single package, unpacks it and compares it. The biggest problem is the thousands of files that are in the browser configuration folders. Also including the tampering of the extensions 22:08 < mystic> javascript. 22:09 < uwharrie> what's the point of re-downloading? 22:12 -!- BillyZane [~BillyZane@user/BillyZane] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12 < uwharrie> pkg_check(8) is already available for doing that for packages 22:12 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@pool-165-230-225-164.nat.rutgers.edu] has joined #openbsd 22:13 < dayid> but how can you trust pkg_check!? - I mean, that's the bit of circularity in this whole discussion.... 22:13 < dayid> If you don't trust anything then you don't trust anything - so it's all a bit of a silly exercise. I guess you trust your hardware and your CD (maybe?) 22:14 -!- mystic [~mystic@user/mystic] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:14 < dayid> This reads a little like the chaotic things on misc@ regarding state-actors etc (IMHO) 22:16 < sibiria> verified boot and attestation of the system isn't a crazy requirement 22:16 -!- mystic [~mystic@user/mystic] has joined #openbsd 22:19 -!- m3a [~m3a@170.52.78.7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 -!- pikapika_lunar [~pikapika_@pika.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has quit [Quit: Free ZNC ~ Powered by LunarBNC: https://LunarBNC.net] 22:21 -!- pikapika_lunar [~pikapika_@pika.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has joined #openbsd 22:22 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@user/OG-MagiC:07773] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25 -!- pikapika_lunar [~pikapika_@pika.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:25 -!- pikapika_lunar [~pikapika_@pika.powered.by.lunarbnc.net] has joined #openbsd 22:26 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@210.54.38.134] has joined #openbsd 22:26 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@210.54.38.134] has quit [Changing host] 22:26 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@user/OG-MagiC:07773] has joined #openbsd 22:27 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@213.196.101.110] has joined #openbsd 22:27 -!- lavaball [~Melissa@31.204.155.215] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@pool-165-230-225-164.nat.rutgers.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:33 -!- psydroid [~psydroid@user/psydroid] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 5.2.6 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:40 -!- ficonni [~ficonni@213.196.101.110] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:41 -!- khrbtxyz [~khrbtxyz@user/khrbt] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:43 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has quit [Quit: "To play for a draw [...] is to some degree a crime against chess." -- Mikhail Tal] 22:45 -!- khrbtxyz [~khrbtxyz@user/khrbt] has joined #openbsd 22:49 -!- mystic [~mystic@user/mystic] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:50 -!- Kruppt [~Kruppt@user/Kruppt] has joined #openbsd 22:50 < vortexx> or you could just boot into bsd.rd every required amount of time and just run upgrade to have the sets back to whatever trusted state 22:52 < ssm_> uwharrie: pkg_check -F will check for other random filesystem mismatches 22:52 < ssm_> not as readable as the sysclean port though 22:52 -!- Kruppt [~Kruppt@user/Kruppt] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:53 < ssm_> . o O (why is sysclean not in base?) 22:53 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 4.4.2] 22:54 < uwharrie> the core devs are pretty anti-sysclean 22:55 < kucha> sometimes i wish there was a dedicated category of ports that are openbsd specific 22:56 < vortexx> you can also use mtree in base as a sort of tripwire 22:57 -!- gawen [~gawen@user/gawen] has quit [Quit: cya] 22:58 -!- khrbtxyz [~khrbtxyz@user/khrbt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:00 < ssm_> uwharrie: maybe those core devs should make /usr bigger by default then, because even after syscleaning I'm at 80% capacity -_- 23:00 < ssm_> maybe they did, I had this install for a while 23:00 -!- ublx [~ublx@user/ublx] has quit [Quit: ublx] 23:01 < yang3> Is there a program/tool, which can check the drive status for faults, when it's being booted into OS ? 23:01 < yang3> Is it in a base? 23:01 < ssm_> I think the kernel will report various drive failures, though I haven't had this happen to me live yet 23:02 < vortexx> ssm_: if you need /usr/ports and have 2Gb for /usr I've found you need to reformat with double the number of inodes 23:02 < ssm_> there's also the smartctl port, but I doubt your long son can use that 23:02 < yang3> yeah, smartctl is not in base 23:04 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@user/OG-MagiC:07773] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:06 -!- gawen [~gawen@user/gawen] has joined #openbsd 23:06 < mischief> you could just build it from source 23:06 -!- finkfox [~finkfox@user/finkfox] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:07 < mischief> .. though that might require gnu make. lol. 23:08 -!- Martouf [~82e30593@user/Martouf] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:10 -!- Kruppt [~Kruppt@user/Kruppt] has joined #openbsd 23:10 -!- Aedil [~adrian@ip923469d0.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Quit: Good night!] 23:10 -!- Kruppt [~Kruppt@user/Kruppt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11 -!- OG_MagiC [~bigserver@user/OG-MagiC:07773] has joined #openbsd 23:11 < kucha> packages are not built for loongson, aren't they? 23:12 -!- khrbtxyz [~khrbtxyz@user/khrbt] has joined #openbsd 23:13 -!- pjlover [~pjlover@50.197.144.1] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:16 < yang3> kucha they arent built 23:17 < yang3> mischief so to get to the GNU make program, I need to first compile "ports", which might take some weeks :( ? 23:18 < uwharrie> you'd only compile the ports you needed, not all of them 23:24 < ssm_> yang3: buy 20 more loongson machines and create a giant swarm with dpb -h 23:24 < ssm_> if loongson (or whatever version of LE mips loongson is) emulation is possible, you could build packages on a much stronger machine 23:26 < ssm_> since loongson is little endian, this is incredibly important, since maybe cataclysm-dda will build 23:30 < vortexx> it'd be really cool if dpb could do cross-compiling... it has a sort of option for it but I never got it to work 23:30 < vortexx> -A aarch64 for ex didn't work 23:31 < vortexx> (on amd64) 23:31 < ssm_> can u-boot bioses be used with vmm? 23:31 -!- Xenguy [~Xenguy@user/xenguy] has joined #openbsd 23:31 < sibiria> yang3: one possible alternative is if you can emulate that cpu with qemu and run openbsd emulated on a modern PC 23:32 < sibiria> good chances. qemu can emulate most things CPU 23:32 < yang3> hmmm, yeah maybe 23:34 < vortexx> ssm_: probably not 23:34 < yang3> i tested the cc compiler and it's in the base 23:34 -!- gman999 [~GMan999@user/gman999] has joined #openbsd 23:35 < vortexx> yes, because base has to be able to compile itself 23:35 < vortexx> (that's what the comp set is for) 23:38 < Lucas_> yang3: what port do you want to build, especifically? 23:38 < yang3> Lucas_ for a test I'd like to compile "irssi" 23:38 -!- xet7 [~xet7@user/xet7] has joined #openbsd 23:39 < Lucas_> then, cd /usr/ports/net/irssi; make 23:39 < Lucas_> it'll do all that it needs to do 23:39 < yang3> ok 23:39 < Lucas_> including downloading and building the deps 23:40 < yang3> I need to first setup the port - https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html 23:41 < Lucas_> yes 23:43 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44 -!- memset [~memset@gateway/tor-sasl/memset] has joined #openbsd 23:47 -!- absc [~absc@2a04:ee41:8:6055:ec2d:ce1e:5fb2:99ba] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49 -!- zenptr [~zenptr@user/zenptr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:49 -!- vdamewood [~vdamewood@fedora/vdamewood] has joined #openbsd 23:50 -!- zenptr [~zenptr@user/zenptr] has joined #openbsd 23:50 -!- m3a [~m3a@170.52.78.7] has joined #openbsd 23:54 -!- new [~m3a@170.52.78.7] has joined #openbsd 23:55 -!- AmbrosiaOVH [~thelounge@vps-c7444936.vps.ovh.ca] has quit [Quit: AmbrosiaOVH] 23:59 < yang3> this seems to be the drive inside yeeloong https://hddfaqs.com/seagate-st9160310as/ 23:59 -!- gatlinggoat [~Thunderbi@2600:4040:ad65:b400:40aa:4fee:81d2:2095] has joined #openbsd --- Log closed Wed Dec 04 00:00:32 2024