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00:15 < p3s> ssm_: i too have gripes with openrsync, but probably they are worked out now or i am just stupid 
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00:24 < anexit> Yeah, still wont queue the traffic, really weird.
00:25 < anexit> https://paste.fuckingjuniper.com/?0610188a87e69ba5#F0vhIW3ri6HEZaIPLPLPyAT7DybkAs6F35hNdB/o10c=
00:25 < anexit> Thats my pf.conf now
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00:25 < anexit> tried, pass, match but 10.0.6.57 still can download unlimited.
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02:00 < vortexx> yang3: you should really be using dpb in a proot prepared partition if you're bulk building ports...
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02:02 < nacelle> is there a way to remove a specific IP from the active state tables in pf?
02:03 < nacelle> (like pfctl -t table -T flush, but for a specific IP, so to speak)
02:04 < thrig> -k something maybe
02:06 < nacelle> yes, thats it, thank you
02:06 < nacelle> i read "key" and thought it was something to do with crypto and moved on
02:06 < nacelle> (or wifi crypto specifically)
02:06 < nacelle> heh
02:07 < nacelle> thank you!
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03:42 < gachikuku> is nix supported on OpenBSD?
03:50 < thrig> generally one would look in base or check the ports system
03:51 < gachikuku> thanks thrig!
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05:58 < divansantana> anyone able to help with a raid5 failure?  Full details here https://paste.debian.net/1339235/
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06:23 < tommyrot> you might have to force it back online
06:24 < tommyrot> is there no documentation on this? it's been a while since played with softraid, wasn't a fan ;(
06:28 < divansantana> I tried to force it online as per the bioctl -R command but it didn't seem to work.  Details in the link.  Hopefully someone on the ML has an idea.
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06:52 < ssm_> gachikuku: nix is ported, though I haven't used it. I'd be surprised if it worked well, considering nix config seems very linux-centric
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08:07 < IcePic> there seem to be some kind of idea that you can take a package system made for some other OS, like homebrew,nix,pkgsrc,whatever and if you port the skeleton to run on obsd, it would bring something that didn't exist before, but whatever data is in those repo is still not adapted to building on openbsd just because the framework runs fine
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08:10 < quinq> Magic
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08:20 < renaud> you can get inspiration from FreeBSD ports to make a new OpenBSD port, but that's just inspiration for patches or deps
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08:38 < oldlaptop> pkgsrc is supposed to be "adapted to building on openbsd", in theory; not sure what it's supposed to add, though
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08:45 < IcePic> yeah, its fun that someone took the time to port it, but as I said, whatever recepies it comes with for building stuff and patching will not automagically make obsd builds easier or better than what one could do in ports already
08:46 < oldlaptop> one would assume the openbsd porters care at least slightly more about how their ports work on openbsd than pkgsrc packagers do
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08:48 < oldlaptop> (given how limited the audience for pkgsrc on even the "important" foreign platforms like linux or OSX is)
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10:49 < sibiria> divansantana, you need to "-C force" a rebuild, i believe
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10:50 < sibiria> it's been a couple of years since i last tested openbsd's softraid and i never ran into your specific situation, but when manually failing a drive in the cluster to test reliability i always had to "force" a rebuild to get the cluster to assemble
10:51 < divansantana> sibiria like so? bioctl -C force -R /dev/sd1a,/dev/sd2a,/dev/sd3a sd6, this results in bioctl: Can't locate sd6 device via /dev/bio, even though it exists in /dev.  I could recreate the raid with the force flag?  But that may result in data loss?
10:51 < divansantana> I'll try replug the drives later today too.
10:53 < sibiria> i wonder if it's a case of rebuilding at all. usually you rebuild when you've replaced one drive (which will be missing the metadata)
10:55 < sibiria> is the data on the drives backed-up somewhere else?
10:55 < sibiria> if it's safe somewhere else, i'd try just assembling the cluster
10:55 < sibiria> but i say that not fully understanding what happened to your cluster causing it to go unclean like that
10:59 < sibiria> personally i would avoid openbsd's softraid for anything else than single-drive FDE. its performance is terrible, and its design introduces more risk than the redundancy you gain
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11:00 < renaud> more risk in a mirror? Could you elaborate? You should always have twice the same data.
11:01 < sibiria> it writes to disk in sequence, not in parallel. i/o speed drops almost linearly with each drive you have in the cluster, whether raid 1 or 5, and if you have an outage in the middle of a write you can be almost 100% sure the disks will be desynced 
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11:02 < renaud> OK, but that happens with any software RAID or even without RAID
11:03 < renaud> unless you have battery backed RAID, this will always be the case
11:03 < sibiria> journaled FS on a "real" RAID controller rarely ever goes desynced
11:03 < divansantana> I almost went with freebsd+zfs.  Previously I used linux+mdadm for 8+ years without an issue.  I like the simplicity and "stability" of openbsd.  But yeah, I'm not having much luck.
11:04 < divansantana> I do have a backup, but would prefer to recover it, because backup maybe a week or so old.  Let me see.
11:04 < sibiria> trying to maintain synced data by writing to each of the disks in sequence is counterproductive
11:05 < renaud> not that you can't really do anything else without a dedicated controller
11:05 < sibiria> but i admit that even openbsd's softraid RAID 1 gives faster recovery than having just one drive
11:05 < sibiria> it's just not a realiable implementation :)
11:08 < sibiria> renaud: linux mdraid writes to disks in parallel
11:09 < sibiria> i was a user of it for 3-4 years, faced a couple of HW outages during that time, found it incredibly reliable
11:10 < sibiria> though a bit more complex to work with than openbsd's sleek softraid
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11:11 < renaud> at least, it exists :)
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11:17 < sibiria> i think softraid's crypto discipline is what makes it stand out. there is no simpler full-disk encryption. even gui tools like Veracrypt needs more interaction
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11:24 < renaud> softraid is really great. When you compare that to linux where it needs to load the whole "unprotected" kernel to be able to decrypt
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14:25 < vortexx> renaud: grub for linux can decrypt the /boot partition so you can have the kernel encrypted. Used to be LUKS1 only but now it does LUKS2 with one or two ciphers (don't remember off the top of my head). Takes some manual setup though, none of the major distros will do it at install which is really ridiculous in $current_year
14:26 < vortexx> you can even just do one big encrypted partition with logical volumes in it and boot off that
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17:41 < passstab> Is the p14s with intel graphics supported by openbsd?
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17:52 < RobbieAB> passstab: I suspect unless someone has already verified it, you aren't going to get a definitive answer. I can tell you it's bluetooth capability isn't however.
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17:54 < passstab> RobbieAB Where should I check that? Also, generally speaking, is intel ARC graphics supported?
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17:55 < passstab> (I understand that doesn't guarantee anything with regard to the specific laptop.)
17:55 < mischief> try it and see
17:55 < RobbieAB> passstab: Try it an see, or get a list of the components and look them up individually.
17:56 < passstab> I don't have it yet, and I'm probably going to stick to windows for a while, but it would be nice to have the option to move to openbsd.
17:56 < RobbieAB> Windows direct to openbsd on a laptop? That's a big jump.
17:57 < Bradipo> What does "windows direct to openbsd on a laptop" mean?
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17:58 < RobbieAB> Bradipo: Replacing windows with openbsd on a laptop, when you are asking questions like is the laptop supported.
17:58 < vortexx> inteldrm usually supports current laptops. wifi might be an issue, or not
17:58 < Bradipo> Ahh, I see.
17:59 < Bradipo> Well, I've never let Windows be a hindrance to my installation of OpenBSD on any piece of hardware.  Usually I install OpenBSD first, ask questions later.
17:59 < vortexx> https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=index&fts=p14s  only 2 openbsd entries here
17:59 < vortexx> none with inteldrm, they're amdgpu
17:59 < RobbieAB> The other thing with Lenovo, is they do gen numbers: P14s could be any of I think 5-10 different models, all of which might have different components inside.
18:00 < Bradipo> I would buy the laptop, put OpenBSD on it, if it doesn't work, send the laptop back and tell them it doesn't work.
18:00 < RobbieAB> They have both Intel and AMD Gen5s according to their UK website.
18:02 < passstab> I used unix-likes a while ago, but life forced me to windows, and have been lazy since then.
18:03 < passstab> *I
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18:06 < RobbieAB> I would say, if you are potentially happy with Windows anyway, just get the laptop, and see how it goes. Worst case, you can always put the factory OS back on it.
18:07 < oldlaptop> and it'll make a great paperweight
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18:08 < passstab> RobbieAB That was my plan. I might have considered other options if it was a clear no. But it looks like a good deal, not sure why one would get a t14 when the p14s is $839 and has a better build quality.
18:10 < sibiria> my impression (and limited experience) is that most modern AMD IGPs mostly work great with openbsd, and with good accelerated performance
18:10 < xse> replaceable ram iirc
18:12 < RobbieAB> Which P14s? I assume from Intel ARC graphics you are looking at the Intel with integrated graphics: That appears to have a Ubuntu preinstall option (at least here in the UK)
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18:13 < RobbieAB> Which means that most of the hardware should have some form of FOSS support (in Linux though, so no guarantees for openbsd!)
18:13 < passstab> yes, that one. I know NVIDIA is incompatible, and the AMD one has pretty mixed review.
18:13 < passstab> *s
18:13 < Bradipo> NVIDIA isn't "incompatible", you just won't get acceleration.
18:13 < RobbieAB> xse: P14s is sodimm here, I think the T14 is soldered
18:13 < Bradipo> It does "work".
18:14 < RobbieAB> Still better off with the Intel in that case. :)
18:14 < Bradipo> Absolutely.
18:15 < passstab> The t14 gen 5 is not soldered.
18:15 < oldlaptop> Gotta give them that, their products still mostly conform to the applicable VESA standards, sort of.
18:15 < RobbieAB> I may have been looking at the T14s...
18:15 < passstab> They have made a move toward replaceable parts in the new lineup.
18:16 < RobbieAB> oldlaptop: AIUI they got beaten by someone from the Fedora community who managed to make a large laptop order depend on pre-installed Fedora.
18:16 < xse> ah! might have been wrong, my amd gen 3 has soldered ram along with a slot
18:18 < passstab> OK, thanks for the help everyone.
18:18 < passstab> tzaf
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20:56 < finkfox> hi. should it be possible to run openbsd 7.6 on a rpi zero 2W ?
20:57 < finkfox> here is an article that states that it should https://www.tumfatig.net/2023/running-openbsd-on-raspberry-pi-zero-2-w/
20:58 < finkfox> but I suppose it is not officially supported?
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20:58 < uwharrie> that
20:58 < uwharrie> that's not official documentation, and the official documentation doesn't list it
20:59 < finkfox> uwharrie: right.
20:59 < PaulFertser> finkfox: https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/s5symo/has_anyone_attempted_to_boot_openbsd_on_the_rpi/?rdt=56633
21:00 < PaulFertser> You do not really need any "official" support as long as you have all the peripherals you want supported by the drivers. Which peripheral in particular are you having doubts about?
21:01 < finkfox> the problem is the ethernet and wifi devices.
21:02 < finkfox> currently ethernet is not detected. wifi fails to load firmware (which I supposed I have to provide manually with the installation?)
21:03 < finkfox> I got a message like "bwfm0 failed load firmware of file brcmfmac43320-sdnio.raspberrypi,model-zero2-w.bin"
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21:05 < finkfox> I downloaded and inspected bwfm-firmware-20200316.1.3p3.tgz. Here I find: brcmfmac43436-sdio.raspberrypi,model-zero-2-w.bin
21:05 < PaulFertser> finkfox: you can copy firmware manually via e.g. USB device manually to /etc/firmware/ .
21:06 < PaulFertser> If the driver asks for 43320 it really means it.
21:06 < finkfox> PaulFertser: do I need to rename the file?
21:06 < finkfox> PaulFertser: well, that means there is no firmware for that? (I'm not very firm with firmware stuff :-)
21:08 < PaulFertser> finkfox: it should be elsewhere but are you sure you typed all the letters and digits exactly as in the log?
21:08 < finkfox> the tutorial above also talks about putting "# cp bcm2710-rpi-zero-2.dtb /mnt/usb/"
21:08 < finkfox> what is that dtb file about?
21:08 < finkfox> PaulFertser: most certainly, but I will check again.
21:08 < PaulFertser> finkfox: dtb file is the binary representation of a DeviceTree, a standard which describes the hardware of the board, that information is used by all the kernel drivers to properly handle the hardware.
21:09 < finkfox> so if the file is wrong or off it might explain why it doesn't detect ethernet or wants a different wifi firmware?
21:10 < finkfox> how can I know which dtb file is being loaded?
21:10 < PaulFertser> finkfox: can you use some pastebin to show full boot log output please?
21:11 < PaulFertser> The broadcom wifi firmware should be chosen automatically because it's on an SDIO bus where the devices are discoverable (do not need to be hardcoded in DT).
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21:12 < finkfox> PaulFertser: providing full boot log will take a moment.
21:12 < PaulFertser> 43320 was certainly a typo, there's no such number in the driver.
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21:13 < PaulFertser> "sdnio" too of course
21:13 < Bradipo> Not to be confused with sndio, lol.
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21:21 < PaulFertser> "mainbus0 at root:" in the beginning should tell which DT is actually used.
21:22 < PaulFertser> finkfox: btw, rpi zero w2 doesn't have wired Ethernet on the board it seems?
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21:26 < PaulFertser> So it's not clear how you expect it to be detected :)
21:28 < finkfox> i did get the ethernet/USB HAT for rpi as described in the tutorial
21:28 < finkfox> for some unknown reason ethernet is now detected.
21:28 < PaulFertser> It's USB so should be visible in the log even if there's no driver for the device.
21:29 < finkfox> however, installer has trouble getting verfified list of distribution sets. says "certificate is not valid yet" http://openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/arm64
21:30 < PaulFertser> So supported by ure(4)
21:30 < PaulFertser> Go into shell, set correct date.
21:31 < sibiria> Zero 2W is WiFi only, 2E is Ethernet-only
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21:32 < finkfox> found a good mirror. installation in progress.
21:35 < mischief> you can use my totally secure ipfs mirror i made of openbsd
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21:36 < PaulFertser> finkfox: does miniroot include "nc"? Then you can easily share your dmesg with "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999"
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22:14 < finkfox> PaulFertser: still in the process of settings things up. will share dmesg later.
22:14 < finkfox> PaulFertser: but thanks for that nc hint. didn't know that.
22:14 < PaulFertser> finkfox: I mean at any installer step you can exit to the shell and if nc is there then share the dmesg.
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22:16 < ssm_> PaulFertser: bsd.rd only contains /bin and /sbin
22:17 < ssm_> netcat's in /usr/bin
22:17 < PaulFertser> ssm_: ok, thanks for clarifying
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23:44 < mischief> oh uh, here's the previously mentioned ipfs mirror i made as an experiment https://bafybeic3qrqt74rqzsyda3l2myfscdkewfgiucb4gr3krqqjwthrcpjizi.ipfs.dweb.link/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/amd64/
23:45 < mischief> i was able to install from it extremely slowly.. probably works better through a local gateway
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