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10:31 < welcome> HELO
10:31 < IcePic> EHLO
10:31 < welcome> I am now officially saved
10:32 < welcome> I installed glade
10:33 < welcome> thankyou
10:33 < welcome> bye
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10:33 < renaud> ??
10:34 < kuzdra> an air freshener saves lives
10:36 < IcePic> Jesus saves, but emacs makes incremental backups too.
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10:58 < orwell> Moin! I've got new hardware with a AMD EPYC 4564P 16C but can't get to install the system. When the installer boots it recognizes cpu0 with the correct model name, but afterwards i get a lot of "cpu at mainbus0: not configured". Do you have any ideas how to solve this problem?
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10:58 < orwell> The installer doesn't gets to the install prompt
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11:06 < brynet> orwell: That's expected on the ramdisk kernel, which uses a single cpu until after installation. Not an explanation for failing to reach the installer.
11:08 < orwell> brynet: ah, makes sense. Thanks! I'll dig through the dmesg to find some more hints why the prompt doesn't appears.
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11:09 < orwell> I'd love to share the dmesg with you, but I only have access via IPMI to it.
11:10 < brynet> Unfortunately difficult to debug without logs or hardware, but you can try collecting as much information as you can, enable verbose boot (-v).
11:10 < brynet> Or try a 7.6-current snapshot on the off-chance things have been fixed.
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11:11 < orwell> Both good advices. I'll let you know if I got some more sharable information.
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11:23 < orwell> brynet: boot -v doesn't seem to exist. Tried to boot into kernel configuration with boot -c but I can't type there anymore.
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11:30 < brynet> Sorry, too early. Yes, need to enable verbose from ukc>, but if you can't type there could be a problem.
11:30 < orwell> brynet: Seems to be exactly as described in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/1f41dh9/please_help_with_error_booting_install75img/
11:31 < orwell> Would it be possible to install on an Intel system and move the disks to this AMD system?
11:31 < orwell> Or would any firmware be missing to boot the system?
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11:33 < sibiria> that works fine. you can install any firmware you want in advance, or after the fact
11:33 < brynet> You could certainly try it, firmware can installed ahead of time with fw_update, e.g: amd/amdgpu.
11:33 < brynet> That might rule out an issue with the ramdisk kernel on this hardware.
11:35 < al1r4d> hello
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12:44 < hubertm> this page seems to suggest that USB is supported in OpenBSD with VisionFive2 board. is it really so?   https://www.openbsd.org/riscv64.html
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12:58 < IcePic> hubertm: I think so yes, last time I tried I seem to recall having the rootfs on a usb stick
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13:00 < PaulFertser> finkfox: hey, have you figured out the firmware for bwfm on your rpi zero 2w?
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13:02 < hubertm> IcePic: VisionFive2 needed some specific installation guide or just a generic image?
13:03 < IcePic> hubertm: I think https://ftp.eu.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/riscv64/INSTALL.riscv64 had relevant working information
13:05 < IcePic> there is/was some issue with having the right fdt/DTB/u-boot then, which changed if one/two eth ports were visible, but when both were, they did not work very well. Haven't tried in a while, so it might be fixed
13:06 < hubertm> that page you linked says nothing specific about jh7110, starfive or visionfive2... the page i linked mentioned some firmware config issues
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14:04 < orwell> brynet: I've installed the system and changed the disks. The system boots until "scsibus3 at softraid0: 256 targets" but not further. Very similar to the behaviour with ramdisk.
14:06 < orwell> I'll try -current, but don't expect it to work either. I'm absolutely clueless on how to progress from here. Any ideas?
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14:09 < yang3> I got a lock on the build, is it safe to remove .lock file? https://paste.debian.net/1339492/
14:11 < orwell> brynet: After waiting some more minutes there was a new line on screen "root on sd0a (...) swap on sd0b dump on sd0b". As the system never gets to a prompt I'm not able to post a dmesg to misc@ :/
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14:14 < yang3> it seems that compile/build can continue when going to another directory
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15:11 < orwell> brynet: I was able to extract the dmesg with serial redirection: https://clbin.com/zhWvt
15:11 < orwell> Now i can also try verbose mode with the installer
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15:18 < PaulFertser> orwell: this looks related: https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg192166.html
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15:21 < orwell> PaulFertser: Could be related... Do you know what is meant with: "the noted kernel driver workaround"
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15:22 < orwell> would love to get the "workaround kernel patch"
15:22 < PaulFertser> This has a kernel patch to workaround https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=170466993604848&w=2
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15:23 < PaulFertser> orwell: I wonder if your UEFI interactive config allows to change anything at all about that disk controller.
15:24 < orwell> Thanks! I'll try to boot with this patch tomorrow.
15:24 < PaulFertser> orwell: probably you can just disable AHCI altogether and use only NVMe?
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15:25 < PaulFertser> Either way, it looks like there was and still is an issue with extremely slow operation of "AMD 600 Series AHCI". So it either goes away with different parameters or requires a kernel hacker or it can be workarounded by not using AHCI.
15:26 < orwell> I unfortunately don't have a nvme available at the moment.
15:26 < orwell> I'll let you know tomorrow how it works with the patch
15:27 < orwell> either way you will see my message to misc@ tomorrow
15:27 < orwell> have to leave now
15:27 < orwell> bye
15:27 < PaulFertser> Bye!
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18:22 < brynet> AMD 600 Series AHCI patch was committed to current last month, looks like they left, oh well..
18:23 < vortexx> https://www.galaxus.ch/en/s1/product/minisforum-ms-01-work-station-intel-core-i5-12600h-barebones-46323148 <-- looks like an interesting option for the home router with SFP+ ports
18:23 < brynet> PaulFertser: If orwell pops in again, would you let them know?
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18:36 < ssm_> orwell in everywhere these days
18:37 < ssm_> s/in/is
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18:42 < thrig> some opine that huxley got it more right than orwell did
18:43 < Bradipo> I've read both 1984 and Brave New World, and I didn't find the latter a very compelling read.
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18:43 < macarona> i stopped at the start. very slow
18:43 < Bradipo> Which?
18:43 < macarona> brave new world. something about beakers and scientists?? idk
18:43 < Bradipo> Yeah.
18:44 < macarona> i wanna read it and We too sometime
18:44 < Bradipo> And artificial production of humans, etc.
18:44 < macarona> yeah. it's very interesting tho
18:44 < Bradipo> I didn't find it slow, just boring, compared to 1984.
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18:44 < el> 1984 is not even orwell's best piece.
18:45 < macarona> Bradipo: fair
18:46 < macarona> el: oh tell. like the uhh political and nonfiction stuff he writes?
18:46 < el> animal farm
18:46 < macarona> oh that one. i liked it but tbh not my fav. it's #2 orwell for me
18:46 < macarona> very fun tho
18:47 < ssm_> el: read that one in school. remember none of it. not saying it's bad, just that my memory sucks
18:47 < ssm_> I need to reserve my brain space for important things, like skibidi toilet
18:47 < macarona> it was crazy when the pigs got on their legs and acted human. 
18:48 < macarona> i was sussing napeleon the moment he said he'd take care of the milk xD
18:48 < Bradipo> C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy is probably more "right" than either 1984 or Brave New World.
18:49 < Bradipo> I suppose specifically That Hideous Strength.
18:49 < macarona> oh sounds cool i'll give it a look
18:51 < Bradipo> I highly recommend The Space Trilogy.  They're probably more young adult fiction than adult, but still good reads.
18:51 < phy1729> You know there's ##books
18:51 < macarona> lmao we wandered off
18:51 < Bradipo> Yeah, but it's unlikely that anyone in ##books shares the same interest in OpenBSD. :-)
18:52 < macarona> lets talk about obsd books. is absolute openbsd still relavent?
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18:52 < macarona> i'm thinking of getting it
18:52 < Bradipo> Was it ever relevant?
18:52 < macarona> idk... it got a second edition in 2013 ig??
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18:55 < betabug> some parts are outdated, because things have changed
18:55 < macarona> fair. is it worth the read or do i just continue with faq+manpages xD
18:55 < betabug> I think large parts are still interesting
18:55 < betabug> in a kind of "how it's done working with this way"
18:55 < betabug> but you might check which are the parts that are totally outdated
18:56 < macarona> yeah. reminds me of k&r c. very fun but kinda kinda outdated in parts
18:58 < Bradipo> I actually still think K&R C is alright.
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18:58 < Bradipo> It's probably more relevant than Absolute OpenBSD is, relatively speaking.
18:58 < macarona> yea. not too many additions were added in c99
18:59 < Bradipo> As for OpenBSD, I usually just rely on the FAQ and man pages (and mailing list if it gets too knarly).
19:00 < macarona> good choice
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19:05 < IcePic> I liked reading the code parts of Stevens TCP/IP Illustrated vol 2, and The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD OS
19:08 < coppola> openbsd won't boot on my corebooted computer ;-; please tell me i won't be stuck with linux
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19:12 < ssm_> coppola: do you get any error messages?
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19:12 < coppola> nah, just no video
19:13 < coppola> blank screen
19:13 < coppola> oh no wait that's not it
19:13 < coppola> i can actually boot it but it can't see my disks
19:14 < Bradipo> You don't need video, just attach a serial console. :-)
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19:15 < Bradipo> So it boots the installer but then finds no disks on which to install?
19:15 < coppola> heh, sorry, i got a bit confused, i get the console actually and was able to boot the ramdisk with grub2 (for some reason coreboot can see a linux usb installer but not the openbsd usb installer) but it doesn't detect any of my disks so I can't install it
19:16 < coppola> Bradipo: exactly
19:16 < Bradipo> Do you have dmesg published anywhere?
19:16 < Bradipo> What kind of disks do you have?  SATA?  AHCI?  RAID?
19:17 < coppola> ahci
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19:18 < coppola> let me see if i can get the dmesg
19:18 < Bradipo> I seem to recall having trouble with AHCI in the past.  Not sure if that is still a problem today.
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19:20 < Bradipo> I'm looking at my laptop and I see in the BIOS that I do have SATA AHCI enabled and it boots OpenBSD just fine.
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19:25 < coppola> yeah it only sees rd0
19:25 < coppola> sysctl hw.disknames i mean
19:25 < Bradipo> Right.
19:31 < coppola> i don't think i can get the dmesg
19:33 < coppola> none of my 2 usb wifi adapters get recognized either (both are supported, one with proprietary firmware), and my ethernet isn't either
19:33 < coppola> only thing ifconfig shows is lo0
19:33 < coppola> guess i'm out of luck
19:36 < Bradipo> Tough luck indeed.
19:38 < coppola> i can see the dmesg, "realtek 8723be [...] not configured", "intel QM77 LPC [...] not configured"
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19:39 < coppola> intel 7 series hd audio not configured, intel 7 series smbus not configured, intel 7 series thermal not configured....
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19:41 < ssm_> coppola: some of that stuff is normal since the bsd.rd kernel is not the same as the full kernel. though usually if things like disks aren't recognized they won't be by the full kernel either
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19:45 < coppola> dang it
19:46 < coppola> it seems that i'll be stuck with linux for a while
19:47 < ssm_> coppola: could try netbsd
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19:51 < mischief> coppola: the ramdisk has many drivers disabled, so might not necessarily be a reflection of what the non-ramdisk kernel supports.
19:53 < vortexx> coreboot stuff (outside of APUx routers) has more often than not had many issues in OpenBSD
19:53 < vortexx> ChoHag never managed to get his thinkpad (ordered specially for that) to work
19:54 < PaulFertser> brynet: I'll try if I spot orwell's join, sure, thanks!
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19:56 < PaulFertser> Guess it's "Flush the interrupt status register in ahci(4) attach", OK.
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20:01 < coppola> vortexx: that is so awful
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20:02 < coppola> i imagined coreboot would work nicely with openbsd, since both are open and all
20:03 < coppola> do you guys think i'd have better luck with libreboot?
20:03 < ssm_> I got libreboot to work with openbsd on an X60 but I don't remember how. I think it required installing on another machine
20:03 < coppola> ;-;
20:04 < coppola> so if you want open firmware you can't have openbsd?
20:04 < coppola> that is pretty counterintuitive
20:05 < Bradipo> I don't even know how to go about using coreboot.
20:05 < Bradipo> I have a laptop running OpenBSD.  If I wanted that laptop to use coreboot, what would I have to do?
20:08 < coppola> you'd have to check if its motherboard is supported, if it is then you build it for your machine and then flash the chip with a flasher or flash internally if that's supported. some machines require blobs that you have to extract before flashing too.
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20:11 < setient> might be easier than you think too. You could get a framework 13 and one of the risc v boards and then have an open CPU too!
20:11 < setient> there is also the purism laptops
20:12 < coppola> the framework 13 finally got coreboot support?
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20:13 < setient> no, https://frame.work/products/deep-computing-risc-v-mainboard
20:13 < setient> its a 3rd party board. not sure if it uses coreboot, because i don't know how risc v works in that regard
20:14 < coppola> >You could get a framework 13 and one of the risc v boards and then have an open CPU too!
20:14 < coppola> ... then why would you ever get a framework 13? just get a risc v board
20:14 < coppola> oh i see
20:14 < setient> it converts the laptop to a riscv laptop
20:14 < setient> you can print the case if you want etc etc
20:14 < coppola> nice
20:14 < setient> you can also just buy the parts, skip the mobo, etc
20:14 < coppola> riscv uses uboot doesn't it
20:14 < setient> i have on idea, sadly
20:15 < Bradipo> I guess I don't know what risk I face by using the BIOS that came with my laptop.  And furthemore, how to know that building my own will be less risky.
20:15 < Bradipo> Doesn't seem easier.
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20:16 < setient> its the same risk as using closed source software
20:16 < coppola> yeah
20:16 < Bradipo> Is it?
20:16 < setient> yes
20:20 < setient> if you want to use coreboot though, take a look at the librem laptops. they run it by default and try very hard to be as open as possible. 
20:20 < setient> they also have a phone!
20:20 < Bradipo> Wouldn't the BIOS have to get an IP on my network?
20:20 < setient> no, not necessarily
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20:20 < coppola> get an IP for what? PXE boot?
20:21 < setient> most BIOS's don't do that. UEFI can for updates. You can have netwrok boots like coppola said
20:21 < coppola> wait uefi can connect to the internet directly "for updates" lol
20:21 < coppola> lmao 
20:22 < setient> yeah
20:22 < setient> some uefi's can
20:22 < coppola> holy moly
20:22 < coppola> clown world
20:22 < setient> you wanna know whats really crazy? openfirmware, the stuff on Sparc, Sparc64 and MacPPC machines, can run forth code.
20:22 < setient> also can use the network
20:23 < sibiria> BIOS or UEFI, both are applications that have full access to the PC and can do anything. if they do anything is another question
20:23 < setient> yes
20:23 < coppola> openfirmware is at least open source, no?
20:23 < Bradipo> Let's assume that it wants to do something... what would it do?
20:23 < setient> i don't think so
20:23 < Bradipo> I've booted up to OpenBSD.  What now is the BIOS going to do?
20:24 < setient> Bradipo: not much, usually nothing
20:24 < coppola> Bradipo: ideally it would do nothing and hand over control to the OS
20:24 < sibiria> keep you in a virtualized state you don't know about
20:24 < coppola> but UEFI wants to do lots of things
20:24 < setient> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Firmware is about openfirmware. there is an OpenBIOS program too apparently
20:25 < coppola> Bradipo: realistically one thing that can happen is it gets modified by a malicious actor (be it at factory, or by software), and since it's proprietary and you can't reflash it there is no way for you to know.
20:26 < coppola> or maybe when someone has access to your hardware, at an airport for example
20:26 < setient> that can also happen with device firmware, such as SSD firmware, video card firmware, usb controller firmware etc. anything with DMA
20:26 < Bradipo> Right, so my BIOS has been hacked.  It's going to grab all my secrets and do what with them?
20:26 < setient> well, it could exfiltrate it over a network for example
20:26 < Bradipo> How does it get on the network?
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20:27 < Bradipo> Does it wait for me to be on a public network?
20:27 < setient> do you know how DMA works?
20:27 < setient> direct memory access
20:27 < Bradipo> So, DMA allows it to send packets from an IP that is assigned to my OpenBSD OS while it's booted?
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20:28 < Bradipo> And no, I don't know how DMA works.
20:28 < coppola> now if we get into conspiracy theory territory, which i don't particularly endorse or anything but i just think it's worth taking into consideration, there was that talk a while ago about the "covid for computers" and one thing that is common to the big majority of computers is proprietary firmware and IME/PSP. 
20:28 < sibiria> in the immediat sense, no. it allows for the device to read (and write) your RAM without little to no limitations
20:29 < setient> wellyes
20:29 < sibiria> with little to no*
20:29 < Bradipo> So it reads my RAM.  What is it going to do with it afterwards?  How does the malicious actor exfiltrate the data?
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20:30 < Bradipo> Also, if I have vm.swapencrypt.enable=1, will the RAM be useful?
20:30 < Bradipo> I suppose it is while it's in RAM proper.
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20:31 < sibiria> it needs an understanding of your platform to have a chance to do things. it's not a silver bullet, but a very high risk entry
20:31 < coppola> Bradipo: re:"It's going to grab all my secrets and do what with them?" you tell me, maybe you never notice but what's the worst case scenario? 
20:31 < Bradipo> Well, that's what I'm trying to figure out.  I have a hard time being convinced to use coreboot when the risk to me seems very low.
20:32 < Bradipo> I think it's more likely that there is a viable backdoor in Windows than there is in the BIOS.
20:32 < coppola> Bradipo: if it has access to RAM it has access to anything and everything on your computer, but iirc it never happened for the IME to send packets through the network
20:32 < sibiria> an understandable and real example of a DMA exploit would be the USB-based android/ios that can pull important stuff from known parts of the memory in order to get into the phone wholly or partially
20:32 < setient> that includes decryption keys to your memory
20:32 < sibiria> e.g. Cellebrite
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20:33 < sibiria> USB-based android/ios exploits
20:33 < setient> also thats how a cell phone works, the baseband has DMA to the main system SOC
20:33 < setient> thats how a phone "rings" and shiz
20:33 < setient> i believe
20:33 < Bradipo> Yeah, I'm talking about a platform on which I run OpenBSD. :-)
20:33 < setient> Bradipo: so your hdd/ssd has dma, so does your NIC, so does your USB controller, prolly your sound card, definately your video card.
20:33 < sibiria> the scenario is the same for openbsd, linux, windows, macOS. needs active mitigations
20:34 < setient> yeah
20:34 < setient> dma gives 0 f's about the OS
20:34 < sibiria> openbsd just might be obscure enough for now that none of the vendors have an active and working exploit along these lines
20:34 < sibiria> for windows and linux there are quite a few
20:34 < coppola> the firmware is OS agnostic
20:34 < coppola> it's always there, doesn't matter if you're running OpenBSD or Windows 11 Home edition
20:35 < Bradipo> Well, unless the would-be attacker has also compromised my entire network path, I don't see how they are going to exfiltrate the RAM that they can read because of my icky BIOS.
20:35 < Bradipo> So they own my BIOS.  How do they get packets out of my network?
20:35 < setient> well, if they compromise your ram, they can get your network details, right?
20:35 < setient> you can, at the network level, do an IDP or whatnot on an external computer and that would detect it
20:35 < setient> not idp
20:35 < Bradipo> Are they also going to have an SSH client that can authenticate to my OpenBSD firewall to get out of the network?
20:35 < sibiria> if your boot chain is compromised you may assume your entire OS is compromised
20:35 < setient> shoooot. i forget what it is called
20:36 < setient> they could Bradipo 
20:36 < setient> literally anything
20:36 < Bradipo> It would probably be less work for goons with guns to show up at the doorstep.
20:36 < setient> for example, a SSD a this point in time is an ARM SOC, just like your phone. it runs an OS all it's own and could do whatever.
20:36 < setient> maybe? it depends. 
20:36 < setient> i am just talking the capabilities
20:37 < coppola> following the logic of what i said earlier it doesn't need to be actively exfiltrating/exploiting anyone's machines. it only needs to strike once. every computer. bye bye world IT infrastructure, but then we'll have bigger things to worry about proprietary software on our machines.
20:37 < setient> real quick on DMA though: Direct memory access (DMA) is a feature of computer systems that allows certain hardware subsystems to access main system memory independently of the central processing unit (CPU).[1]
20:37 < Bradipo> Yeah, the SSD vector seems less risky than BIOS.
20:37 < Bradipo> SSD won't have access to my RAM, right?
20:37 < setient> Bradipo: i mean you would never know either
20:37 < setient> ssd has access to ram!
20:37 < setient> it has DMA too!
20:37 < setient> thats how IDE back in the day got faster.
20:37 < sibiria> PCIe is a DMA-backed interface
20:38 < setient> and sata drives have DMA too
20:38 < setient> like i mentioned above, your usb controller, network card, video card, ssd/hdd all have DMA
20:38 < setient> i think a sound card might as well, not sure on that one.
20:39 < setient> thunderbolt and firewire have dma too
20:40 < setient> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access and really https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMA_attack is what we are trying to explain. 
20:40 < thrig> Direct Man Attack is when they hit you with a $5 wrench
20:40 < setient> yes yes, rubber hose hacking
20:40 < sibiria> hardware exploits like these sit in the ballpark of military and national security grade munitions. i wouldn't entirely lose sleep over the risk unless i were deep into crime :p the lower end would be USB-based enforcers like Cellebrite, Magnet, FTK etc. that a lot of law enforcement has access to
20:41 < setient> yeah
20:41 < setient> or at a company that is high risk.
20:41 < sibiria> if you're a regular joe you shouldn't have to worry
20:41 < setient> yeah
20:41 < coppola> i gotta go now
20:41 < setient> later, thanks for chatting!
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20:43 < setient> Bradipo: does this help at all? those links are ok. just remember, most devices are on the PCI-E bus and thus have dma
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20:44 < Bradipo> I think I see what you're saying.  But even given what you've said, I still find the risk extremely low.
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20:46 < sibiria> i only worry about OS- and application security
20:46 < Bradipo> Same here for the most part.
20:47 < setient> it is extremely low
20:47 < setient> its a high cost attack, relatively speaking.
20:47 < thrig> IPMI has had some crappy code in it
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20:47 < setient> thats another fun one
20:47 < sibiria> IPMI is inherently evil
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20:48 < Bradipo> IPMI often has crappy Linux OS running on it.
20:48 < thrig> such as Intel using the length given by the caller to do some password check
20:48 < oldlaptop> What Could Possibly Go Wrong? (TM)
20:49 < sibiria> i've actually been subject to a worm attack that got in via IPMI. former colleague had unknowingly exposed IPMI to WAN, server was left unchecked, years later some worm was doing the rounds
20:49 < sibiria> installed a CPU miner for some altcoin cryptocurrency :)
20:49 < sibiria> (on linux host, to boot!)
20:49 < oldlaptop> I guess that could be worse
20:50 < sibiria> could definitely have been worse
20:52 < setient> yeah it could have
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20:55 < oldlaptop> small mercies, part 3,723: computer criminals who are lazy and lack imagination
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21:00 < tvtoon> Is that about the SD Express stuff? Question is, you need physical access to do most harm, but network these days...
21:02 < IcePic> sibiria: would be more fun if the underpowered ipmi cpu was mining for buttcoins
21:03 < oldlaptop> IcePic: LOL. Now *there's* a lack of imagination and initiative.
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21:11 < sibiria> IcePic: would be a clever place to hide it. practically no monitoring of that "sub-computer"
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21:45 < oldlaptop> I guess there is that. Question would be whether that can make enough money to be worth bothering with
21:45 < sibiria> depends on how many thousands of forgotten shit IPMI devices one could find!
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21:47 < oldlaptop> you'd hope *most* of them aren't Internet-exposed
21:47 < oldlaptop> possibly a vain hope
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22:58 < oldlaptop> Quick tip, I guess, in case anyone cares: Spring took from release week or so until now to actually ship, but I can report that the 7.6 hoodies are pretty nice, but run a little bit tight and are of below-average stretchiness.
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22:58 < oldlaptop> (Maybe they have a bunch made or something now and they'll ship before 7.7.)
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23:05 < macarona> ay y'all got hoodies for release 7.6?
23:13 < brynet> https://openbsdstore.com/
23:14 < macarona> ooh nice. thx
23:14 < brynet> job@ works with artists and put up new merch each release.
23:14 < macarona> keep up the good work job@ 
23:15 < macarona> i miss the songs tho ._. wish i was good with music so i can volunteer
23:16 < macarona> early openbsd music was fire. i still listen to em every once in a while
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