--- Log opened Fri Dec 13 00:00:45 2024
00:01 < ssm_> macarona: 6.6 not having a song is criminal
00:01 < macarona> truuu
00:02 < macarona> i'm listeneng to 3.4 now. puffyhood is the goat
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00:16 < macarona> ssm_: i guess we have systemagic as the closest thing for now
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00:23 < thrig> but the lack of new songs, ubertragic
00:23 < macarona> lol
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02:24 < oldlaptop> there's sometimes cool non-clothing stuff too
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02:24  * oldlaptop pats the 7.5 coffee cup
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07:15 < IcePic> "Comfortably Dumb" is really nice around release time
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07:22 < welcome> When I was a child, I had a feeling..... (I'm trying to write a Gtk based app at the moment)
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07:52 < quinq> welcome, good luck
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07:59 < welcome> thankyou
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11:47 < weezelding> hiya o/
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12:26 < IcePic> weezelding: howdy
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14:44 < yang3> is there a raspberry PI 1 - A installer? I can only see ver. 3 and 4 ?
14:48 < xse> armv6 is totally unsupported iirc
14:49 < yang3> okay
14:49 < Lucas_> https://www.openbsd.org/armv7.html doesn't mentiong any rpi, so OpenBSD won't run there
14:49 < Lucas_> also the armv7 port is kinda meh
14:49 < Lucas_> it doesn't have MP
14:49 < Lucas_> it does work nevertheless and I have one such device
14:51 < renaud> I have a pandaboard and OpenBSD was running quite fine on it. I found it faster than linux on the same board.
14:51 < renaud> I haven't tried again since the SD died
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14:53 < Lucas_> I have _exactly_ this one https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi?do=view&id=6400
14:54 < Lucas_> it does mostly work for my usecase
14:54 < Lucas_> I use it as an airgapped device for managing my OpenSSH CA
14:55 < oldlaptop> armv6 support was removed some years ago; while it was still there, raspberrypi hardware was a highly unattractive target because of all the proprietary crap
14:55 < Lucas_> the only thing I'd like for it that currently doesn't support is being able to boot from softraid crypto
14:57 < oldlaptop> in AD 2024 the usefulness of original-raspberrypi boards has been, erm, sharply limited - certainly you're not going to be running browsers on them anymore
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14:57 < oldlaptop> (yes, yes, lynx and w3m)
14:58 < oldlaptop> and for a lot of server tasks I/O is a bit of a problem (USB2 is pretty much its widest bus to the outside world)
14:59 < drathir_tor> yang3: sadly even alarm dropped support fir rpi a while ago... probably best bet openwrt or alpine...
15:00 < yang3> Lucas_ RPI 1 is armv6
15:01 < oldlaptop> nominally the images the raspberry pi foundation distributes support it
15:01 < oldlaptop> maybe they actually boot in under half an hour on a 512M board
15:03 < xse> i have an old 1b+ armv6 which does home electricity monitoring, even the official rpi distro has an hard time on it, alpine best indeed
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16:22 < yang3> 50% of the packages that I am trying to compile on loongson end up with python failure. Is there anything that can be done? >> Broken dependency: lang/python/3 non existent (DEPENDS was lang/python/3) in textproc/libxml,-main
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16:31 < kuzdra> yang3: fix the python3 port *shrug*
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16:33 < pardis> no, that error means the port doesn't *exist*
16:33 < pardis> are you mixing -release and -current port trees or something?
16:34 < pardis> lang/python/3.{9,10,11} directories have recently been replaced with a single lang/python/3
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16:35 < yang3> pardis full log https://paste.debian.net/1339698/
16:36 < yang3> i am not mixing
16:38 < setient> yang3: https://pythondev.readthedocs.io/platforms.html might be helpful too. i don't see mips there.
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16:38 < setient> the port might help but i had similar issues with sparc64
16:38 < pardis> looking at https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/textproc/libxml/Makefile?rev=1.228&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup, this is even weirder
16:38 < yang3> I see, ok thanks for pointing
16:38 < pardis> the -main flavour has no python dependency
16:39 < yang3> can't compile gcc, irssi, a bunch of python-dependant programs...
16:39 < setient> are there any packages that you can use in binary format for some of these
16:39 < kuzdra> setient: i checked whether python3 has been built for mips64el. debian has it. netbsd has it too (althought it's called mips64eb, i don't know how different it is)
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16:39 < yang3> setient, there is no official ports for loongson
16:40 < setient> oh
16:40 < setient> kuzdra: thats good to know! 
16:40 < setient> pkgsrc can be useful
16:40 < setient> yang3: you could also check pkgsrc on it too
16:41 < setient> you can use pkgsrc with openbsd. Should you? i don't know.
16:41 < pardis> libxml2-2.13.3 is the 7.6 version, and 7.6 does not have lang/python/3
16:41 < yang3> mmm, I am a beginner
16:41 < setient> welcome to the fun of non mainstream architectures!
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16:41 < pardis> ah, no, I'm mistaken, it does
16:41 < yang3> thanks ! :)
16:41 < pardis> was looking at the wrong ports tree
16:41 < kuzdra> yang3: as per pardis' suggestion, do you have lang/python/3 in the ports tree? (vs. .../3.x)
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16:42 < yang3> yeeloong$ cd /usr/ports/lang/python/                                                                                                                                                        
16:42 < yang3> yeeloong$ ls   -> 2.7            CVS            Makefile       Makefile.inc   python.port.mk
16:42 < yang3> only 2.7
16:44 < kuzdra> hmm, you just don't have it. it's missing from your tree, while it's there in the -current: https://github.com/openbsd/ports/tree/master/lang/python
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16:46 < setient> it is definately in the 7.6 one too. how did you get your ports tree?
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16:46 < yang3> setient I dont recall
16:46 < yang3> following the manual
16:47 < yang3> can _I update that section of ports?
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16:49 < setient> you might be able to use cvs to update it but there might be other problems in your ports tree
16:50 < kuzdra> yang3: https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html#updating should be a good start
16:50 < setient> i should have linked that, thank you
16:51 < macarona> talking about the tree. why is it always so slow to update via cvs `$ cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.example.org:/cvs -q up -Pd`
16:51 < thrig> CVS ain't a speed demon, nor is I/O fast on openbsd
16:51 < setient> macarona: its checking the version of each file. cvs uses rcs under the hood i believe
16:51 < yang3> setient I foollowed guidelines in https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html
16:51 < macarona> thrig: hmm
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16:52 < macarona> setient: oh i read abt that. i'm too used to git's speed xD
16:52 < kuzdra> macarona: what setient said; i *guess* the reposync package may help to speed things up
16:52 < macarona> also is there a way to update without having to specify server everytime. i don't like the CVSROOT method cause it would change if i clone a different cvs repo
16:53 < setient> yang3: try downloading the main ports.tar.gz instead of the architecture specific one. i have a feeling though, if you downloaded the architecture specific ports tarball, it simply is not ported to your platform
16:53 < macarona> kuzdra: oh i'll give it a look thank u
16:53 < setient> macarona: env vars!
16:53 < setient> but yeah
16:53 < setient> to be fair, a lot of projects stopped using CVS
16:54 < setient> https://myrepos.branchable.com/ might help. if it supports cvs
16:54 < setient> which it does
16:54 < macarona> lol fair. i think this the only CVS tree i'd ever use so i'll just export CVSROOT in my .profile for now :b i saw an undeadly post online running find and sed to repolce the CVS file thing in each dir. sounds complex and error prone 
16:55 < macarona> s/repolce/replace/
16:55 < setient> try myrepos!
16:55 < setient> it SHOULD work.
16:55 < macarona> oh oki 
16:56 < macarona> thx for the tips y'all <3
16:56 < kuzdra> setient: wait-- there are port-specifc ports tarballs?
16:56 < macarona> i was using obsd for more than a year but was scared to ask a stupid question lol
16:56 < macarona> s/was/have been/
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16:58 < dfdx> macarona: i'm sorry we made you feel that way.
16:59 < setient> kuzdra: apparently! per those docs
16:59 < setient> macarona: don't be scared!
16:59 < macarona> dfdx: hehe no worries i just got a bad impression from some mailing list emails lol
16:59 < setient> it happens
17:00 < macarona> mhm
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17:01 < kuzdra> setient: i can't make sense out of that. could you quote or point me there, please?
17:01 < setient> oh wait
17:01 < setient> i am dumb
17:02 < setient> thats just the sig?
17:02 < setient> $ ftp https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/$(uname -r)/{ports.tar.gz,SHA256.sig}
17:02 < setient> yeha
17:02 < setient> oh no it's both
17:02 < kuzdra> -r is release version
17:02 < setient> oh shooot
17:02 < setient> i read it wrong
17:02 < setient> yang3: then it should have it!
17:04 < kuzdra> okay, that clears it out
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17:07 < kuzdra> yang3: what openbsd version are you on? has it been long since you grabbed the ports tree?
17:07 < tvtoon> yang3: are you building the whole system for loongson?
17:07 < yang3> so, do I overwroite existing ports or? There are no official ports for loongson/mips64el...I am creating some unofficial packages
17:07 < setient> those are good questions
17:07 < yang3> I am on 7.6
17:08 < tvtoon> oh, 64 bits, that makes sense
17:08 < yang3> tvtoon, I have installed 7.6 loongson has an installer, but it doesnt have any ports
17:08 < kuzdra> you probably want to say packages (binary), not ports (source code and makefiles how to make packages)
17:09 < tvtoon> that is what I am thinking
17:09 < yang3> yes, no binary packages made for loongson
17:09 < setient> https://cdn.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/packages/mips64/ this is the package list btw
17:09 < setient> you should be able to use those
17:09 < yang3> it's not mips64 ! , it's mips64el
17:10 < setient> oh right, big endian vs little
17:10 < tvtoon> little endian
17:10 < tvtoon> usually people default to big on mips64 as it seems
17:10 < yang3> yeah, the loongson page on openbsd.org has the explanation of the computer models
17:10 < kuzdra> yang3: cvs should be able to detect old files and update just them. from your ls output, we can see you have CVS dirs. so you have needed meta information. try to use "cvs -q up -Pd -A" to update you tree. you can start from a sub-dir to see if it works first, before updating the entire tree
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17:11 < yang3> kuzdra from which directory do I start that command?
17:12 < yang3> aha, maybe from /usr/ports/lang/python
17:12 < yang3> or some other
17:12 < kuzdra> my cvs is super rusty and i'm currently using git/got. i don't want to give you a wrong advice. i hope someone more cvs savvy can help here?
17:13 < yang3> will it update it to -current or -stable ? I guess these two tree's can't be mixed?
17:13 < kuzdra> yang3: also, you are on 7.6 -release/-stable or on -current? you need a matching branch of the ports tree (as per introduction at https://www.openbsd.org/faq/ports/ports.html)
17:14 < yang3> 7.6 stable
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17:14 < kuzdra> yang3: it depends how did you obtain the ports tree in the first place. there are multiple flavours and ways to do it. you don't remember?
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17:14 < setient> kuzdra: it was a tarball, so it should stick with 7.6 i think.
17:14 < kuzdra> (that same webpage has a table under Fetching the Ports Tree)
17:15 < yang3> i have this ports gzip file in my home directory, so I guess it's that -rw-r--r--  1 yang  yang   39976960 Sep 30 16:45 ports.tar.gz
17:15 < yang3> september 30
17:15 < setient> yeah, thats just when you downloaded it
17:15 < yang3> no
17:15 < kuzdra> i hope you grabbed release (not snapshot) (-:
17:15 < yang3> i don't have the loongson installed before december
17:16 < kuzdra> there is a way to see what cvs branch you are on. i just don't have a checkout handy to see myself. sorry )-:
17:17 < setient> i know there is. its stored in a file somewhere. i don't know where though
17:17 < setient> yes, in the /usr/ports/CVS directory, there is a file named Tag
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17:18 < yang3> yeeloong$ cat Tag
17:18 < yang3> TOPENBSD_7_6
17:18 < setient> yeah there you go
17:18 < setient> should be the 7.6 
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17:19 < hemmerlight> Greetings. I wish to remove all of the proprietary components, such as firmware and drivers, in my OpenBSD installation. I ran fw_update -d intel, uvideo, iwn, but the wifi card embedded in my computer (A ThinkPad X230) is still up and running. Running dmesg I grep -i uvideo, iwn, iwm, intel shows all devices and firmware are still functioning.
17:19 < hemmerlight> Please note that by proprietary I mean all software with a license that forbids modified redistribuition of the program's code, the sharing of the nonmodified program, the downloading and modifiying the source code of the program
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17:20 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: see /etc/firmware
17:21 < setient> hemmerlight: you could just remove the wifi card. i think it is on a daughterboard
17:21 < hemmerlight> kuzdra: I deleted everything there except for athn
17:21 < setient> don't listen to me
17:22 < hemmerlight> why?
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17:23 < pardis> hemmerlight: you cannot remove all proprietary parts of OpenBSD without building a custom kernel
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17:23 < hemmerlight> But the config command only allows me to disable firmware, not delete it
17:24 < yang3> kuzdra https://paste.debian.net/plain/1339711
17:24 < macarona> hemmerlight: go with an x200 so you can fully remove the intel management engine too :b
17:24 < macarona> i have t60 but i'm scared i'd prick it so i'm waiting to get a backup first
17:24 < pardis> yes, hence the need to build a custom kernel
17:25 < pardis> you're not going to be able to install OpenBSD and run a few commands to do what you want
17:25 < kuzdra> yang3: i think you are good. AFAIK OPENBSD_7_6 means -stable (ie. -release + errata). your ports tree should be compatible with you system, as long as you sysupgrade(8) it. checking your link now...
17:25 < yang3> i need to first initialize the CVS
17:26 < yang3> so do I go to /usr/ports and do "cvs -d" ?
17:26 < hemmerlight> From where does the kernel loads the firmware if I deleted everything in /etc/firmware?
17:26 < pardis> there is binary firmware built into the kernel itself (/bsd)
17:27 < hemmerlight> Ok. Thank you.
17:28 < yang3> kuzdra ^
17:28 < macarona> yang3: oh what does it do? does it interface with bios?
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17:28 < kuzdra> yang3: i'm really guessing here (-: but try to add -d to that command, like so:
17:29 < kuzdra> cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.example.org:/cvs -q up -Pd
17:29 < macarona> sorry wrong @ i meant pardis xD
17:29 < kuzdra> of course change the host!
17:29 < yang3> but do I need to be in /usr/ports directory to initialize that one as CVS root directorsy?
17:29 < kuzdra> (again, i'm just following https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.html. it has a list of CVS mirrors too)
17:30 < pardis> macarona: it does various different things for the various drivers it is used by
17:30 < macarona> oh fair. thx
17:30 < kuzdra> yang3: IIRC no, you can do it from a sub-dir. you may need to add "-d ..." when you try from an upper dir again
17:31 < yang3> ok
17:31 < kuzdra> IIRC CVS can be checkout and updated by individual dirs. there is nothing like a global .git or something
17:32  * kuzdra summons a proper CVS wizard to the chat
17:32 < hemmerlight> paris, are there any blob-free BSD kernels similar to the Linux-libre ones?
17:32 < hemmerlight> pardis* Sorry.
17:34 < hemmerlight> I acknowledge LibertyBSD is no longer mantained.
17:35 < macarona> i think this was the only project
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17:36 < kuzdra> pardis: where that binary firmware comes from? is it in the src tree?
17:37 < macarona> ya i was gonna ask. i searched some and couldn't find it
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17:40 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: athn is a wireless network device. you left its firmware file. why do you expect your wifi stop working? (i assume your computer indeed has an athn device)
17:40 < yang3> kuzdra https://paste.debian.net/hidden/98f8dd16/
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17:41 < kuzdra> yang3: "cvs [update aborted]: cannot remove CVS/Tag: Permission denied". you need to check you user, group membership, and file modes
17:41 < hemmerlight> Forgive me kuzdra. My ThinkPad X230 uses a build-in Intel Wi-Fi card and an external Atheros Wi-Fi card (USB)
17:42 < yang3> kuzdra ah, now I see, it was done as root...
17:42 < yang3> i did it as user now
17:43 < fro> why do you need an external card when the built-in works fine
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17:44 < hemmerlight> I prefer the external card because it's faster, more efficient and its firmware files are more manageable and customizable.
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17:46 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: i'm no expert on this (nor do i shy away from those firmware blobs), so it's a guess. firmware != driver. what you see in dmesg is drivers. drivers are kernel space code. firmware runs inside devices
17:47 < kuzdra> you kernel recognises your computer hardware and runs drivers for it. how well they work and whether they work at all without proper firmwares is another question
17:48 < tvtoon> I am puzzled why you need to only run wi-fi on your notebook
17:48 < kuzdra> i have doubts regarding the earlier claim that kernel has "binary firmware"
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17:48 < hemmerlight> kuzdra: Does rejecting proprietary blobs during installation in older OpenBSD versions not install it, right? tvtoon, why are you confused?
17:49 < tvtoon> but keep in mind that if you need anything else, Intel usually means trouble without the full package
17:49 < tvtoon> I mean, why you need only to access the network, you better go with something else for that
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17:52 < hemmerlight> I do not need bluetooth or even working audio/video, since I only use libreoffice Math and vi
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17:54 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: AFAIK part of blobs are included in the base image. those ones that can't be distributed, they are downloaded separately with fw_update during install or via rc.firsttime
17:55 < kuzdra> man fw_update(8) mentions it
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17:57 < hemmerlight> Even if I reject blobs?
17:59 < jcs> files in /etc/firmware are firmware loaded into the device and run on the device's cpu
17:59 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: i don't remember the exact installer steps. does it ask that? then it should be about fw_update only.
17:59 < jcs> blobs are proprietary closed-source drivers, none of which exist in openbsd
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18:00 < yang3> kuzdra https://paste.debian.net/1339726/
18:00 < sibiria> hemmerlight: if you have network during install, fw_update will run. it will also run on first boot. anything it installs can be manually removed
18:01 < kuzdra> jcs: is it incorrect to equate blobs and firmware in this context?
18:01 < uwharrie> depends on your religion
18:01 < jcs> that is how openbsd has always defined blobs, i guess other projects want to go further and require open firmware for everything
18:02 < kuzdra> yang3: try "cd xtermset" and drop "xtermset" arg from your "cvs" command instead
18:03 < kuzdra> ah, hold on
18:03 < yang3> https://paste.debian.net/1339727/
18:03 < kuzdra> yang3: you are trying to do "checkout". you already have it. you want "up / update"
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18:06 < kuzdra> your /usr/ports is a checkout already. you initially obtained it from a tarball. it has CVS dirs and all. now you are trying to bring it up to date
18:06 < yang3> cvs -qd anoncvs@anoncvs.au.openbsd.org:/cvs update -rOPENBSD_7_6 -P xtermse
18:06 < yang3> this worked
18:06 < yang3> but no progress shown
18:06 < kuzdra> \o/   there must be some -v for progress. no that dir just hasn't changed since. no updates
18:06 < kuzdra> ah, you use -q for quiet
18:07 < yang3> -v is versiion :)
18:07 < yang3> okm great, we figured it out
18:08 < kuzdra> i guessed wrong. it must be always verbose, hence that -q (-:
18:08 < hemmerlight> kuzdra: It stopped asking it after version 6.8 I cannot find the note that says it, but the choiche was deleted because it "saved 144 precious bytes" I'm looking for the original note.
18:10 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: anyway, you can un-install it easy. you said you'd already done it with 'fw_update -d ...'. what remaining question or problem do you have? (i'm a little lost now)
18:10 < hemmerlight> dmesg shows Wi-Fi card is up and running
18:11 < hemmerlight> and even I can use it
18:11 < hemmerlight> (The intel one, which requires proprietary elements)
18:11 < yang3> kuzdra, it did not add 3.0 in python https://paste.debian.net/1339732/
18:14 < yang3> previously it was mentioned that ports are likely having python-3
18:15 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: remind me its driver name (as per dmesg)
18:16 < hemmerlight> iwn, iwm. It also includes uvideo, intel*, vmm.
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18:21 < kuzdra> yang3: okay, let me try to get my own checkout so i can check things here myself... it'll take a while
18:21 < yang3> ok
18:21 < yang3> some directories are updating
18:21 < yang3> but not he python
18:22 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: here is your iwn: https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/dev/pci/if_iwn.c
18:23 < hemmerlight> ??
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18:31 < kuzdra> yang3: it works for me here /-: 
18:32 < yang3> hmm
18:32 < yang3> maybe for your arch
18:32 < yang3> but not loongson
18:33 < kuzdra> it's source code, there is no arch in it
18:33 < kuzdra> cd /usr/ports && cvs -Q -d anoncvs@anoncvs.au.openbsd.org:/cvs update -rOPENBSD_7_6 -P lang/python && ls
18:34 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: that's source code for the iwn thing that you see in your dmesg. it's no blob/firmware. to my earlier point that firmware ≠ drivers.
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18:34 < Lucas_> kuzdra: there lots of things that work in some arch but not another
18:34 < Lucas_> *there are
18:34 < hemmerlight> And the rest/
18:35 < Lucas_> grep for NOT_FOR_ARCHS, ONLY_FOR_ARCHS
18:35 < uwharrie> cvs doesn't work on loongson?
18:35 < kuzdra> Lucas_: we are checking out ports code from cvs. how is that related?
18:35 < yang3> uwharrie it works
18:35 < yang3> but I am trying to update lang/python
18:35 < yang3> and it doesnt grab 3.0
18:35 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: i leave it as an exercise for the reader (-:
18:36 < yang3> "half" of the packages seem to rely on python...and they won't build on loongson
18:36 < Lucas_> what do you meant with "doesn't grab 3.0"? there is no 3.0 in -current nor 7.6
18:37 < Lucas_> btw, what does happen when you build in lang/python/3?
18:37 < kuzdra> Lucas_: yang3 means to say "3", lang/python/3
18:37 < hemmerlight> Ok. What about rejecting proprietary elements in versions prior to 6.8. Does it installs proprietary elements in the bsd kernel like you previously said?
18:37 < yang3> I only have 2.7
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18:39 < kuzdra> yang3: i managed to checkout ports/lang/python. and also to update it to earlier and newer tags. python* dirs appear and disappear accordingly
18:40 < uwharrie> is this from a full checkout or bootstrapped with the ports tarball? I seem to recall that the tarball for 7.6 was mastered with certain subdirectories missing, some python things being one of them
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18:41 < uwharrie> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=173203128911783&w=2
18:41 < Lucas_> can you do it without the tag?
18:42 < kuzdra> yang3: https://termbin.com/nyca
18:42 < kuzdra> yang3: cd /usr/ports/lang/python
18:43 < kuzdra> yang3: cvs -Q -d anoncvs@anoncvs.au.openbsd.org:/cvs update -rOPENBSD_7_6 -P
18:43 < kuzdra> maybe without "-Q" and read diagnostics
18:43 < kuzdra> uwharrie: it was from a tarball indeed
18:44 < kuzdra> yang3: ^^
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18:45 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: i didn't say that about "proprietary elements in the bsd kernel". it was someone else and i doubted it.
18:46 < yang3> kuzdra https://paste.debian.net/1339737/
18:46 < hemmerlight> Oh. Sorry.
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18:49 < yang3> hm
18:49 < yang3> I did "rm -rf 2.7"
18:49 < yang3> and then synced again
18:49 < yang3> and it didnt download 2.7
18:49 < kuzdra> yang3: i'm trying something
18:50 < yang3> brb
18:52 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: i really don't think the kernel includes any blobs. that claim doesn't make sense to be
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18:53 < hemmerlight> Ok.
18:53 < kuzdra> yang3: again, i don't know CVS that well, but maybe data in CVS is corrupt. so i suggest to re-checkout it. i tried locally and this worked:
18:53 < kuzdra> cd /usr/ports
18:53 < kuzdra> rm -r lang/python
18:54 < kuzdra> cvs -Q -d anoncvs@anoncvs.au.openbsd.org:/cvs update -rOPENBSD_7_6 -P lang/python
18:55 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: does that finally give you peace of mind? (-:
18:56 < hemmerlight> No. But I will install 6.7 and remove proprietary blobs anyways. Could you provide me an archive link to that ISO? I could not find any. Thank you anyways for your time.
18:57 < uwharrie> 6.7 is no longer supported / receiving security updates
18:57 < kuzdra> why do you want 6.7, again?
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19:01 < hemmerlight> Because it asks if I would like to install proprietary elements.
19:01 < fro> what
19:02 < kuzdra> hemmerlight: so does the latest 7.6, as per https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/7.6/amd64/INSTALL.amd64
19:02 < kuzdra> > Finally, you will be asked whether you would like to install non-free firmware files
19:03 < kuzdra> and it goes on to say, it's just fw_update. again, you can undo fw_update. and in your original message you said you did it
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19:03 < kuzdra> fw_update just downloads and unpacks a package-style tarball. you can see it in "pkg_info -m" output. and inspect with "pkg_info -L whatever-firmware"
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19:07 < kuzdra> (i don't know whether the old ISO release is still around. you would have to hunt for it on mirrors <https://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html>)
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19:08 < kuzdra> but, please, just don't (-:
19:09 < pardis> kuzdra: sys/dev/microcode, if memory serves
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19:09 < pardis> Hemmerlight: no, as far as I know no such thing exists
19:10 < fro> https://www.mirrorservice.org/pub/OpenBSD/6.7/
19:10 < fro> there you go
19:11 < pardis> 6.7 also has proprietary microcode in its kernel
19:11 < fro> sure but it's what they asked for
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19:11 < pardis> what the installer means by "non-free firmware" is not the same thing Hemmerlight means
19:11 < kuzdra> pardis: ah! it looks like a bunch of C code and headers
19:11 < pardis> yes, C code with arrays of hex numbers that get loaded onto devices
19:12 < kuzdra> okay, fair
19:12 < pardis> Hemmerlight: this does raise the question, if you are incapable of telling for yourself whether "proprietary" code is present, then why does it bother you?
19:13 < pardis> if we lied and said there is none, would that satisfy you?
19:13 < fro> also if this is a concern then openbsd isn't for you
19:13 < fro> but hey whatever
19:13 < fro> install 6.7
19:13 < fro> do your thing
19:15 < kuzdra> pardis: thanks for clarifying. i think Hemmerlight can inspect that directory to see if it contains any devices on their computer
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19:16 < sibiria> Hemmerlight: what is the problem with just manually removing those binary blobs efter the install?
19:17 < sibiria> following that, you can just make a note of what other non-proprietary firmware openbsd considers your system to need, and enforce updates of only those when you're running fw_update
19:17 < fro> microcode is already there when you buy the computer
19:17 < fro> so there's that too
19:18 < kuzdra> yang3: i think your update command might be missing one more flag
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19:21 < kuzdra> although, if you have that stock $HOME/.cvsrc they should be implied
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19:23 < kuzdra> i'm talking about -d. it was part of the original command on anoncvs.html page, ie. "cvs -q up -Pd -rOPENBSD_7_6". 
19:23 < kuzdra> "Use the -d option to create any directories that exist in the repository if they're missing from the working directory"
19:24 < kuzdra> $HOME/.cvsrc already has "update -Pd" though
19:24 < kuzdra> anyway, i'll step away to eat
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19:29 < yang3> kuzdra Bon apetite.
19:29 < yang3> my .cvsrc is https://paste.debian.net/1339743/
19:30 < kuzdra> ahh! you are missing -d! add it to "update"
19:31 < kuzdra> -P removes dirs, -d adds dirs. exactly what you need (-
19:31 < yang3> YAY !
19:31 < yang3> cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.au.openbsd.org:/cvs update -rOPENBSD_7_6 -Pd python
19:31 < yang3> this worked
19:32 < yang3> i have 3.x now
19:32 < yang3> great, I'll try compiling now
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19:47 < kuzdra> great! (-: your .cvsrc is surprisingly old for your recent release. did you cargo-copied it from another machine? mine has version...
19:47 < kuzdra> # $OpenBSD: dot.cvsrc,v 1.3 2016/10/31 20:50:11 tb Exp $
19:47 < yang3> nope
19:48 < yang3> i guess it hasnt been updated ofr loongson
19:48 < yang3> :)
19:49 < kuzdra> i recommend you do a full tree update now. once it's done, you don't need "-d HOSTNAME" and -r arguments anymore. they will be stored in CVS/{Repository,Tag} files
19:49 < kuzdra> fingers crossed for python port to actually work on your arch
19:49 < yang3> ok
19:52 < yang3> maybe it will overwrite /usr/ports/packages... I have some compiled there?
19:52 < yang3> so i will run without -P
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19:54 < kuzdra> i think /usr/ports/.cvsignore should prevent that
19:56 < kuzdra> ahh, .cvsrc differs for root and a regular user. i wonder if it's an oversight
19:56 < kuzdra> https://termbin.com/ja73
19:58 < thrig> in theory you're not supposed to be building as root
19:59 < yang3> i am not
19:59 < kuzdra> thrig: yeah. and do you think it explains the diff?
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20:21 < thrig> maybe the update to skel in 2016 was forgotten to be applied to root
20:22 < kuzdra> i've sent a patch to see that (-:
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21:38 < yang3> still getting python errors in build :/ https://paste.debian.net/hidden/e2bf67cd/
21:41 < uwharrie> doesn't look like you're using a supported disk layout
21:41 < yang3> yes :(
21:42 < yang3> wxallowed FS it needs to be
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