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09:37 < kuzdra> yang3: have you succeeded with building python?
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11:20 < lts> Ugh, relayd crash due to too low login.conf defaults :-( I know I know I should have realized it might need more, but the defaults are sometimes a bit bad 
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11:26 < xse> lts: got that one earlier this week https://tmp.krkrkr.org/relayd.hiccup
11:27 < lts> Exactly same issue here
11:28 < lts> https://www.adminlibre.org/blog/relayd-invalid-relay-hash/ -> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=163309504711482&w=2 tell it should be about the resources
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11:32 < xse> yep! happened once so far so i'm not touching anything yet
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13:55 < al1r4d> how to disable swap?
13:55 < al1r4d> since i run with emmc, i dont hurt my emmc
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14:15 < sibiria> for starters, remove the entry from /etc/fstab
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14:15 < sibiria> i'm not sure openbsd can disable swap while running. you may need to reboot
14:16 < sibiria> check man page for swapctl
14:16 < sibiria> it's "complicated" even in the case where no page has been evicted from memory
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14:29 < kuzdra> sibiria: i think they left right awa
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15:19 < kuzdra> is rc output (on systym startup) logged to a file somewhere? say, if i don't have access to the console
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15:31 < oldlaptop> kuzdra: http://man.openbsd.org/dmesg#s
15:31 < oldlaptop> (if not obvious from the URL/the browser is too tall to scroll there, see -s in particular)
15:32 < kuzdra> oldlaptop: this is it, thanks!
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16:55 < yang3> For AMD 10 years old 64bit CPU, do I select 'amd64' arch instlaler?
16:56 < thrig> amd64 hasn't seen any relevant arch changes in 20 odd years, and most likely won't
16:57 < yang3> so which one for 64 bit?
16:58 < lts> amd64
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17:06 < yang3> does such 'amd64' installer exists which would auto-extract and enable sshd to continue with installation remotelly?
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17:09 < Lucas_> no
17:10 < vortexx> yang3: if you need autoinstall you need man autoinstall and man install.site
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17:11 < kuzdra> hey yang3. i was off (fighting fsck nonsense). did i miss news about your python adventure?
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17:17 < Lucas_> kuzdra: also send a dmesg for your fsck
17:17 < Lucas_> it's clearly on a different device
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17:40 < kuzdra> Lucas_: correct. there are two drives, two DUIDs. how dmesg helps here, though?
17:43 < setient> kuzdra: i want to know about yang3's python adventures too
17:44 < thrig> snakes. why did it have to be snakes.
17:44 < yang3> kuzdra, setient, hello, no sadly python doesn't compile and gives errors https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b8bf951a/
17:46 < yang3> wxallowed FS problem
17:46 < thrig> if only there were a way to set wxallowed on filesystems
17:46 < setient> thats an easy fix!
17:46 < yang3> please advise
17:46 < setient> whats your df look like?
17:46 < setient> cuz you could solve it with a symlink to a different filesystem for that dir that does have wxallowed
17:47 < setient> or you could attempt to enable wxallowed on /usr
17:47 < setient> type mount and paste the output somewhere
17:47 < setient> look for a filesystem with wxallowed
17:47 < yang3> https://paste.debian.net/1339850/
17:47 < setient> /dev/wd0h on /usr/local type ffs (local, nodev, wxallowed) like that
17:48 < setient> perfect~!
17:48 < yang3> https://paste.debian.net/1339851/
17:48 < setient> move the /usr/ports/pobj directory to usr/local/pobj
17:48 < setient> and then link it and you should be g2g
17:48 < kuzdra> if ports may require wxallowed, why doesn't default installer disklabel accomodate for that? after all, there are separate /usr/src and /usr/obj partitions
17:49 < setient> kuzdra: maybe the assumption is most people use packages
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17:50 < kuzdra> i assume those most people dont compile the kernel either
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17:50 < kuzdra> at glance, the porter's handbook doesn't mention wxallowed
17:50 < Lucas_> the size of a /usr/ports partition is quite hard to determinate
17:51 < Lucas_> that would be my educated guess on why there isn't a default ports partition
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17:51 < Lucas_> also you only need wxallowed for some ports, and that's actually in pobj, not in ports
17:52 < uwharrie> It's described in https://man.openbsd.org/ports#FILES
17:53 < yang3> why doesn't OpenBSD have at most two partitions ? /boot (vfat if needed somewhere) and / ?
17:54 < yang3> default install suggests multiple partitions
17:54 < kuzdra> there it is, well hidden (-: thanks for pointing out. i need to get around ports for real some day
17:54 < thrig> a single partition can have security issues that multiple avoid
17:54 < Lucas_> yang3: it has different partitions with different permissions
17:54 < uwharrie> because throwing everything into a single paritition/slice discards a lot of useful security mechanisms
17:55 < yang3> ok
17:56 < kuzdra> i was wondering about that too. what else besides wxallow, nosuid, nodev? there are a few partitions that share the same set of mount options
17:56 < setient> those are the things
17:56 < setient> having /home be nosuid is great
17:57 < setient> ditto with nodev for partitions that don't have device entries
17:57 < uwharrie> they're the security things, yes
17:57 < setient> suid is set user id
17:58 < thrig> also malicious code filling up the partition or using up all the inodes, etc
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18:00 < vortexx> yang3: you really should be using dpb for what your doing, with a dedicated wxallowed partition with a copy of the OS put there by proot (proot means prepare root, it sets up the build environment for dpb). You're wasting time running into basic config issues, no one should be bulk building ports by doing cd /usr/ports/cat/port and doing make install
18:00 < vortexx> s/your doing/you're doing
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18:00 < setient> vortexx: really? i should look at dpb
18:00 < setient> i just do it by hand always
18:01 < setient> its how i been doing it since openbsd 2.6
18:01 < vortexx> I have this: /dev/sd0k      107G   69.5G   32.4G    69%    /usr/build
18:01 < vortexx> setient: you're stuck in the past then :)
18:01 < setient> vortexx: i have a single machine with a single core :(
18:01 < setient> well for openbsd
18:01 < vortexx>  with /dev/sd0k on /usr/build type ffs (local, noatime, nosuid, wxallowed)
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18:02 < vortexx> setient: so? doesn't explain why you would ignore the provided tools that solve all issues
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18:02 < vortexx> I build ~1700 ports at each release because I like to sign them myself
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18:04 < setient> makes sense
18:04 < setient> the wxallowed thing was the only problem i had with ports so far. most of my problems are because sparc64
18:05 < setient> i will try to setup it.
18:05 < setient> i wonder if i can finish building a release of packages before a new release comes
18:05 < vortexx> you'll never look back once it's done
18:05 < vortexx> depends how many ports you intend to build I guess :)
18:06 < uwharrie> I've never gotten over the initial hurdle of getting everything set up, and I do have a working setup for building single ports as a normal user, so I've stuck with that
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18:08 < kuzdra> https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20241130183941
18:08 < vortexx> basically you do this: fetch ports.tar.gz and expand in /usr/ports or cvs it to /usr/ports, newfs /dev/rsd0x, proot -c /yourpatch/proot.ini, rm -rf /usr/ports && ln -s /yourbuildchroot/usr/ports /usr/ports
18:08 < kuzdra> ^ Rafael Sadowski on dpb(1)
18:09 < vortexx> s/yourpatch/yourpath
18:09 < uwharrie> but haven't tried again since that initial effort several years ago so I assume some of the up-front config steps are now either automated or better documented
18:10 < vortexx> then you're ready to go with /usr/ports/infrastructure/bin/dpb -j 8 -f 32 -B /yourchroot -p 8 -P /yourchroot/path/listofports (this fetchs ports 32 at a time and runs 8 jobs on 8 cores, up to you to ajust to your needs)
18:11 < vortexx> listofports is category/yourport as listed in /usr/ports
18:11 < vortexx> one per line
18:11 < vortexx> if you need flavors, use category/yourport,no_x11 for ex
18:11 < yang3> vortexx, I'll learn about dpb some day, I am still a 'freshie' to OpenBSD
18:12 < vortexx> well until you build in a wxallowed partition you'll keep bumping your head for no reason
18:13 < vortexx> oh I forgot you have to mount sd0x after newfs'ing it
18:15 < vortexx> kuzdra: yeah that blog post contains all you need, except it doesn't mention you can specify your own portslist. Also dpb can be told to just do dpb category/port
18:15 < vortexx> it'll handle all dependencies
18:15 < setient> hmm, proot is trying to use amd64. not sparc64. thats not great
18:15 < vortexx> try -A sparc64 ?
18:16 < setient> man page doesn't have it. looking into configs
18:17 < vortexx> I've tried it to do crosscompiling but it wouldn't work but maybe it does work if you're on the specific arch
18:18 < vortexx>  -A arch      Build packages for given architecture, selecting relevant hosts from the cluster.  By default, the current host's architecture will be used.
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18:18 < vortexx> which is why it's odd sparc64 isn't working by default
18:19 < setient> right?/
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18:20 < setient> my config is wrong
18:21 < setient> there it goes
18:21 < setient> pebkac
18:23 < yang3> setient, so now one more symlink "ln -s /usr/ports/pobj /usr/local/pobj" ? https://paste.debian.net/1339857/
18:24 < setient> something like that. its a way. 
18:24 < setient> double check the man page for ln to make sure :)
18:25 < yang3> i think its the opposite
18:26 < yang3> ln -s /usr/local/pobj /usr/ports/pobj
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18:27 < yang3> ?
18:28 < vortexx> https://clbin.com/rlY1K <-- this is my portupdate script, it fetchs the latest cvs updates, then builds them, and finally signs them and adds them to my http server's local mirror of packages
18:29 < vortexx> I run it every couple of days
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18:35 < yang3> ls /usr/local/pobj/| wc -l                                                                                                                                                        
18:35 < yang3>      122
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18:35 < yang3> that many packages have failed to build, because of python...I'll see if it will work now, when moved
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18:36 < yang3> ok brb, installing amd64 on an ATOM
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19:43 < seninha> could expand a partition somehow https://0x0.st/XF9m.png
19:44 < seninha> /dev/sd0f @ /var
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19:46 < kuzdra> seninha: one option is, if the partition is followed by empty space, growfs: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#GrowPartition
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19:54 < seninha> s/expand/overload
19:55 < seninha> that's a vm running solely a telegram-to-irc IRC server and the httpd serving the uploaded media
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19:55 < seninha> kuzdra, nope, /var is the last partition and expand to the end of the disk
19:56 < seninha> unless i can grow the qcow2 disk...
19:56 < seninha> I think that can be done with qemu disk tools.
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20:36 < sibiria> any suggestions for a minimal graphical file manager that works well with cwm?
20:37 < ssm_> ...any of them?
20:37 < ssm_> I'm a fan of xterm
20:37 < sibiria> something that doesn't want to haul in 30 dependencies and all of GTK etc.
20:37 < ssm_> some people like mc and ranger
20:38 < seninha> sibiria, may i shill my own fm?
20:38 < seninha> xfiles
20:39 < linetrace> sibiria: seninha's xfiles
20:39 < seninha> its packaged (although on an old release)
20:39 < seninha> which rembers me i need to release a new version
20:39 < linetrace> lol, good timing! (I hope that helps you not feel that you're shilling it)
20:39 < sibiria> ranger suffers from python dependency. mc was alright last i remember. but emphasis on graphical, not terminal-based
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20:40 < sibiria> i'll check xfiles out, thanks for the suggestion
20:41 < seninha> there's also XFile (without the -s) which is requires only motif rather than base's xenocara.
20:41 < seninha> https://github.com/alx210/xfile
20:41 < seninha> it's not packaged i think
20:42 < linetrace> I can't recall how heavy the dependencies are for pcmanfm
20:42 < mischief> motif eh
20:42 < mischief> i tried using Xaw recently, it was terrible
20:42 < seninha> Also xfm, which is based on ftk
20:43 < linetrace> pcmanfm seems to require GTK & Qt, but nothing else crazy like python
20:43 < seninha> Xfm (X File Manager) is very complete out-of-the box and lightweight. But i hate its thumbnailing; it takes like 3 min to open my pics dir when thumbnail is enabled.
20:45 < sibiria> xfiles was nice and simple, i like that. pcmanfm is more along the lines of what i'm looking for. seems pretty light despite needing GDK and gnutls
20:46 < linetrace> doesn't look like Xfm is packaged, but should be easy to build (looking at requirements)
20:47 < seninha> sorry, i forgot the correct name, it's xfe
20:47 < seninha> X File Explorer
20:47 < sibiria> ah, pcmanfm also needs python. sheesh
20:48 < mischief> does it..?
20:48 < linetrace> sibiria: doh! probably an indirect dependancy, sorry about that
20:49 < sibiria> it's an indirect dep part of openbsd's packaging, yes
20:49 < seninha> https://openbsd.app/flat-deps?name=x11/pcmanfm 
20:49 < seninha> required by glib
20:50 < linetrace> I was only looking at https://openports.pl/path/x11/lxqt/pcmanfm-qt which isn't as detailed as openbsd.app
20:50 < seninha> the qt flavor has more dependencies
20:51 < linetrace> yeah, I think the qt flavor is the newer version maintained for LXDE
20:53 < linetrace> `pkg_info -aQ pcmanfm`
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20:56 < linetrace> seninha: thanks for the tip on Xfe, I hadn't played with that one
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22:32 < yang3> http://pastie.org/p/5eURLOlX1ikg4P5CUa3Qjp
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22:37 < setient> nice, an atom 230
22:37 < setient> i remember those
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22:54 < yang3> yes, I have 2 of them, 2 more on the buy
22:55 < yang3> they are "small"
22:55 < yang3> one of the first thin-cllients
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23:05 < yang3> setient, kuzdra Yay, python has been built
23:08 < yang3> https://paste.debian.net/1339894/
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