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00:10 < al1r4d> Obsolete package: midori (no longer maintained upstream)
00:10 < al1r4d> o_o i want to install midori, but i got this
00:10 < al1r4d> i know what it means, but is there any way to install it? i dont care about obsolete package
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00:12 < uwharrie> more context needed. what command are you using to try to install it?
00:14 < al1r4d> uwharrie: doas pkg_add midori
00:16 < thrig> presumably you'd get the source and try to wrangle it yourself
00:16 < uwharrie> you'll need to build it yourself, it's no longer being packaged
00:16 < oldlaptop> That means the package has been removed, in this case nearly a year ago.
00:17 < oldlaptop> Also at least one of its major dependencies is unmaintained.
00:17 < uwharrie> "delete midori, it was a nice browser but the one we knew is dead upstream there's a new "upstream" which took over the midori name, but that's an electron-based horror, or an android app ironically using gecko engine."
00:17 < oldlaptop> (That means part of the reason the package is gone is that it'd be a lot of work to maintain, all so somebody like you can be extra-super-duper vulnerable and not realize it)
00:18 < oldlaptop> s/a year/two years, rather
00:18 < uwharrie> or: find a different hair shirt to wear
00:22 < al1r4d> "build it yourself" is not nice option for me because i use intel atom 
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00:22 < al1r4d> maybe i'll stick with firefox one or just use netsurf/dillo
00:23 < sibiria> i failed to build firefox from ports with 16GB of RAM
00:23 < sibiria> one surprising dependency hiccup after another
00:24 < oldlaptop> the truly horrifying part: firefox is the nice one
00:24 < uwharrie> you can make the choice to run obsolete, insecure, unmaintained software, but don't expect the project to assist you
00:29 < al1r4d> sibiria: "16gb of ram" "failed"
00:29 < al1r4d> just wow
00:29 < vortexx> yang3: congrats on building python for mips64le!
00:30 < vortexx> al1r4d: you could also use the 7.4 package, just untar it
00:30 < vortexx> but with all the caveats evoked earlier
00:30 < al1r4d> vortexx: thank you
00:31 < vortexx> so long as binary compatibility hasn't broken since then, but I believe it hasn't
00:31 < vortexx> (OpenBSD offers no garantees on that)
00:31 < oldlaptop> Odds are not good that will work without doing the same thing with some other 7.4 packages.
00:32 < vortexx> that of course, you need the dependency tree
00:32 < oldlaptop> Including whatever parts of it are incompatible with current versions of other packages you might want.
00:35 < oldlaptop> OpenBSD will often carry old, dead-upstream crap in the ports tree for years after everyone else who packaged it gives up, but not with web browsers (which are costly in terms of build time, costly in terms of user effort, and actively dangerous to people who might attempt to actually use them)
00:37 < vortexx> but if you set /etc/installurl to https://$mirror/pub/OpenBSD/7.4/packages/yourarch it might work automatically
00:37 < oldlaptop> What Could Possibly Go Wrong? (TM)
00:38 < vortexx> totally unsupported of course, you're on your own, and all that
00:39 < oldlaptop> https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ports/math/abs/Attic/Makefile This was a slick little tool once upon a time, for example. The openbsd package was (and in the attic still is) the last trace of it anywhere on the internet at the time it broke badly enough to provoke removal.
00:42 < setient> yang3: sweet!
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00:46 < setient> i can't even compile firefox on my box. its not for sparc64. not that i have a video card either. so there is that
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00:52 < vortexx> firefox on sparc64 is probably best viewed over remote X11
00:52 < vortexx> if not vnc if that builds on sparc64 (tigervnc, preferably as that handles slower lan speeds better)
00:57 < setient> oh i know
00:57 < setient> i was trying to run it on sparc64 since it is headless and do the reverse
00:57 < setient> but hey, its fine. its more of just a toy
00:58 < setient> apparently, chromium might compile. Lets try it!
00:59 < oldlaptop> got a week?
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00:59 < setient> lol. more than. its a sunfire v100. not quite an ultra 1 but its close!
01:00 < oldlaptop> I know, hideously optimistic.
01:00 < vortexx> oldlaptop: more than that. ungoogled-chromium takes about 30 hours on my 2019 Xeon with 8 cores
01:00 < setient> i sometimes look for sunfire 2500's or ultra 45 workstations. no real use though.
01:01 < vortexx> btw firefox takes about 90 mins
01:01 < vortexx> tells you all you need to know about chromium even with google bits removed
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01:04 < setient> yeah
01:05 < setient> is that with or without dependencies?
01:05 < setient> as in did you have to compile them too
01:09 < vortexx> without dependencies, just the package itself
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01:10 < vortexx> doing browsers when building the 1700 packages is usually a good five days
01:10 < vortexx> (this is an OpenBSD vm running under bhyve with 8 cores out of 16 assigned)
01:11 < vortexx> (or rather, 8 threads out of 16)
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01:15 < setient> ah ok
01:15 < vortexx> iridium and ungoogled-chromium both take about 30 hours
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01:28 < mischief> chromium is about ~2hr for me on gentoo with my 7950x. firefox is usually 30 mins.
01:29 < mischief> not much of a port person on openbsd, so never tried them
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04:24 < seninha> TIL that GNU Make does not support brace expansion in targets and prerequisites, while BSD Make does
04:24 < seninha> https://termbin.com/7cyf
04:25 < seninha> GNU Make's semantics looks more hacky than OBSD make, although GNU's syntax is cleaner
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05:18 < ssm_> gmake sux, still prefer porting software that uses it to cmake though. you'll be hard pressed to find projects using posix make in my experience
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08:01 < seninha> GNU make also does not support automatic variables (like $@) in the prerequisites, only in the recipe.  (BSD Make wins again)
08:01 < seninha> https://termbin.com/854n
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08:01 < seninha> It does some hacky double macro expansion on a second parse phase
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08:11 < TommyC> Is there a standard for Makefiles? Does POSIX even do Makefile stuff?
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08:30 < PaulFertser> TommyC: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/utilities/make.html
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08:32 < TommyC> oh thank goodness
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08:51 < seninha> It seems that BSD's $> does what POSIX2024's (and GNU's) $^ does.
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09:03 < quinq> BSDoes what GNUmpossible
09:03 < quinq> what's
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10:06 < kuzdra> "It is incumbent upon portable makefiles to specify the .POSIX special target in order to guarantee that they are not affected by local extensions."
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12:45 < yang3> vortexx, setient, kuzdra thank you (for successful build of python/loongson)
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13:54 < macarona> hi openbsders. i'm doing some webdev with perl cgi and httpd but it's cumbersome because of the chroot and all as i need to repeatedly install the files to cgi-bin and htdocs. anyone knows a faster way to go about this? should i just disable the chroots and point httpd+slowcgi so serve from my repo directory until i deploy to server? thx
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13:57 < thrig> use fastcgi and talk to a socket elsewhere
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18:17 < vortexx> yang3: I didn't do much but congratulations on getting it done
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18:29 < kuzdra> yang3: you're welcome. it was nice to learn along with you too
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18:31 < yang3> :)
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21:39 < fishmongler> hi. are there any unbound.conf rules that could be helpful in preventing DNS tunneling? something like a domain size/complexity rule? i skimmed the manpage but maybe i missed smth
21:39 < fishmongler> worried about exfil from my network mainly
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22:09 < jitter> hullo
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22:24 < metavoid> fishmong1er: Isn't this rather a firewall thing? the exfil would not be done via unbound
22:25 < metavoid> rather their own dns server, or atleast it poses as a dns server
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22:26 < metavoid> sure, there are more variants, as well, but the queries are usually "legit" afaik. you probably need to analyze the traffic
22:27 < sibiria> fishmong1er: you can limit response size, but that in itself doesn't really prevent anything
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22:30 < sibiria> curated blocklist might be the best choice?
22:30 < metavoid> look into ratelimit as well, pushing stuff through dns will need tons of queries
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22:30 < sibiria> i don't think unbound has any tricks to spot chained requests for 500 different subdomains
22:32 < mischief> you wouldn't even need that many, or a particularly fast request rate, depending on what you're trying to exfiltrate
22:32 < metavoid> you could probably tweak msg-buffer-size: <number>, hopefully not breaking legit stuff :p
22:33 < oldlaptop> ATTACK AT DAWN doesn't need many DNS requests.
22:33 < mischief> you can construct a binary data stream out of two domains..
22:33 < jitter> GretelChoose128$
22:34 < jitter> haha 
22:34 < jitter> not going to use this as a new password now :D
22:34 < sibiria> Gretel Choose Commodore 128, because she's keeping up with commodore
22:35 < jitter> you got the hint
22:35 < metavoid> plot twist, you gonna use it anyway
22:35 < sibiria> "better change this to GretelChoose129$"
22:35 < jitter> will take me half a day to come up with a plot twist
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22:36 < mischief> i like pass phrases
22:36 < mischief> especially tasty ones
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23:47 < yang3> Is it possible to stop/break ports compiling (make) and  poweroff the computer and continue at a later time? Can the content of the 'make' command somehow be saved for later? Because it takes a long time on this laptop to build. I am usually not breaking the build, because I am unsure, that it might not continue later. Is the proper way to break it
23:47 < yang3> with the 'CTRL+C' command?
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23:57 < sibiria> yes, it usually works fine
23:57 < sibiria> "make" will see what's done, what's not done, what changed since last and needs to be recompiled etc., and pick up where it left off
23:58 < sibiria> in rare cases you may need to "make clean" and start over
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