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15:58 < krell> hello, anyone here use an AMD chip with integrated such as a Ryzen 5 5600g or 5700g? It would be nice not to buy a dedicated graphics card. I have had no problems with Intel integrated graphics for many years but am building something new.   
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16:01 < pardis> I used to use a Ryzen 4750U
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16:02 < betabug> krell: I use a thinkpad X13 with AMD and integrated graphics
16:03 < betabug> no problems with the graphics, but the qwx0 wifi often freezes the laptop when "doing things with ifconfig"
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16:04 < betabug> I guess I should try -current on it
16:05 < krell> Okay, maybe nothing to worry about with the radeon driver for these
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16:06 < xse> thinkpad with a ryzen 7 6850U with the integrated 680M, i'm still impressed with graphics on this chip although i'm used to old hardware
16:08 < betabug> that's one huge advantage of using old hardware, you get to really enjoy it when you see something slightly modern
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16:08 < pardis> precisely the opposite of old software
16:10 < betabug> totally :-/
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16:14 < sibiria> krell: i run openbsd on ryzen 7 4800u and HW acceleration works well
16:15 < sibiria> there is a video memory leak which i can't pinpoint, but i think it's in drm/mesa. takes a bit of effort to make it manifest
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16:21 < krell> thanks for the input all
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16:23  * xse tried out an irc <> discord client thingamajig earlier today: https://tmp.krkrkr.org/rdircd.notes.txt
16:24 < pardis> why not just use bitlbee?
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16:26 < oldlaptop> does that still work?
16:26 < xse> have not given that a try yet
16:26 < oldlaptop> ISTR discord-the-company hunts down and bans "alternative" clients (or maybe just accounts found to be using them?)
16:27 < pardis> I have been using bitlbee to access discord for years and it's never been a problem
16:27 < oldlaptop> good to know
16:27 < pardis> of course, not everything in discord translates nicely into IRC messages, but that's not bitlbee's fault
16:29 < oldlaptop> @pardis what do you mean?!
16:30 < oldlaptop> (that's not even the hard part of course)
16:31 < pardis> when I have a video call on discord it shows up in my IRC client as the other person sending me "EDIT: "
16:31 < sibiria> {{discord.event.poll:is pardis crazy?};{option:maybe};{option:cancel};{option:abort}}
16:31 < sibiria> works just fine in my client
16:31 < pardis> I assume there is some internal implementation where the video call is represented as a message object that is updated, and bitlbee thinks it's a text message that was edited
16:31 < pardis> not a big problem, just odd
16:32 < sibiria> slack was like that in the early days when it was IRC-friendly. every now and then as they introduced new stuff you'd get misplaced events giving hints about their proprietary protocol
16:32 < pardis> my favourite thing Slack did was with channel renames
16:33 < pardis> when you send the name of a channel in a Slack message, it gets internally represented as some abstract object referring to the channel and then rendered as the channel name in the client
16:33 < pardis> but the IRC client wouldn't update the channel name until you reconnected
16:33 < pardis> so if you renamed #foo to #bar, and then sent a message saying "#bar" from the Slack web UI, someone on IRC would read your message as "#foo"
16:34  * oldlaptop fails to decide whether that's even wrong
16:37 < xse> mh indeed bitlbee might be worth trying out, i'd like to get irc to discord/telegram/signal/maybe mastodon/maybe matrix if self-hosted servers became less resource-hungry lately
16:38 < pardis> discord and telegram definitely work, signal supposedly works in combination with signald (haven't tried it myself), mastodon supposedly works (but I also don't use that)
16:38 < pardis> https://wiki.bitlbee.org/
16:39 < pardis> I would not recommend trying to use matrix through bitlbee
16:39 < xse> almost all-in-one :p
16:39 < pardis> I've tried multiple options (with bitlbee and the standalone matrix-ircd thing) and they all represent things in IRC messages poorly enough as to be unusable
16:40 < pardis> one of them named every channel some 32-character hex string or something rather than its actual name
16:40 < pardis> it was a while ago so I don't remember which that was
16:40 < xse> ouch
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16:50 < xse> they even have two different discord plugins! plus the third party one i tried earlier also listed
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19:27 < jfsimon> Good evening
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20:13 < Minall> Hello OpenBSD Community!
20:13 < Minall> Remember to read the manuals extra carefully, just found out about sndioctl -v which was what I was looking, I was a little confused seeing that mixerctl had two outputs as normal, but mixerctl had one.
20:14 < Minall> So I found out of course by reading well the manual on sndioctl and testing things, now everything makes sense.
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20:18 < Minall> Wait. If I specify sndioctl output[1].mute=1, why am I getting both output[0] and output[1] muted?
20:19 < GrltinG> hi
20:20 < Minall> GritinG: o/
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20:25 < Minall> Yeah, not sure why, and I'm trying to find info in the manuals... I have two outputs (I assume they are my speakers and my headphones). When I connect the headphones, they both work together. I of course want to mute the speakers, something I was doing with mixerctl output.spkr.mute=on or whatever
20:26 < Minall> Now, given that mixerctl requires privileges, I want to use sndioctl, issue being that sndioctl output[1 or 0].mute=! switches the mute correctly, but it does so in both outputs for some reason
20:27 < Minall> So both outputs are changed even though I'm specifying only [1] or [0]. Yet both are muted when I see them in sndioctl -v
20:31 < Minall> Not really sure how to debug this, this is a quite simple thing that should work correctly, I must be forgetting something
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20:52 < Minall> So I'm reading about azalia, which is the one listed in my dmesg: https://man.openbsd.org/azalia#spkr, which contains my spkr 'complex' controls and my hp ones, I'm not sure how to move this with sndioctl though, since mixerctl requires all hte time privileges
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21:06 < wnh> Minall: I _think_ the [0] and [1] refer to the left and right channels instead of separate output devices 
21:06 < Minall> wnh: That may make sense, since they are muted together instead of what I'm thinking should happepn
21:07 < Minall> Hmm, then I wonder how should I be able to mute my speaker without the need of mixerctl since it needs privileges?
21:08 < Minall> I only have output[0 and 1]... However, in mixerctl I have the correct speakers and headphones control as I should
21:08 < wnh> I recall in general the wording is "devices" for things like speakers / headphones / USB audio and "channels" being for the multiple outputs within a device (stereo -> 2, surround sound -> 7 channels)
21:08 < oldlaptop> IIRC the concept of separate "outputs" just isn't exposed in sndioctl.
21:09 < oldlaptop> You could, in principle, set up an appropriate doas configuration to permit the mixerctl invocations you want.
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21:10 < Minall> So there can't be separate outputs (like headphones, speakers) in sndioctl?
21:10 < Minall> I mean, I have to use mixerctl all the time
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21:14 < wnh> The FAQ says you can change what the output device is at runtime with sndioctl: `$ sndioctl server.device=1`
21:16 < wnh> That should let you switch outputs without needing root. Is that what you're trying to do? 
21:16  * oldlaptop has not kept up that well - does it end up with separate devices configured for separate outputs now?
21:17 < oldlaptop> ISTR "devices" correspond (generally) to actual audio devices (as in for example the onboard audio system and a set of USB headphones)
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21:18 < Minall> wnh: Not exactly what I want. server.device=1 does nothing (nor 2,3, I can mute and the same happens). The only one that gives me proper output is server.device=0, controlled by azalia1 which has controls within itself documented in the manual (azalia[4]), there I can control speakers and headphones separately but using mixerctl with doas privileges
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21:19 < Minall> So all of my configurations are already available in the 'sound device' I'm in controlled by azalia, now, sndioctl gives me just simple controls which are muting both devices insteado f one
21:22 < wnh> Hmmm..... I'm really not sure then
21:23 < wnh> And I reformatted my laptop so I cant even see what I was doing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:24 < quinq> Isn't that the role of a device?
21:24 < quinq> With -f
21:25 < Minall> What do you mean?
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21:30 < quinq> That each device maps to a /dev/audioN
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21:31 < quinq> So if you want to access different hardware device, you'd specify a different device 
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21:31 < quinq> Something like sndioctl -f rnsd/0
21:32 < quinq> Or just -f 0, -f 1, etc.
21:32 < quinq> type[@hostname][,servnum]/[devnum|option]
21:33 < quinq> More like -f snd/0, -f snd/1, etc.
21:34 < Minall> The only one that works is -f snd/0, since I only have 'one device' in one that has in it the speakers and headphones, controlled by azalia[4]
21:34 < Minall> snd/1 will output can't open control device
21:34 < Minall> "Since it doesn't exist"
21:39 < quinq> Isn't that managed directly by hardware?
21:40 < quinq> I don't know how it works, maybe it's managed as different channels?
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21:43 < Minall> quinq: In which case it makes sense for it to appears in sndio as output[0,1,2,3]. But I only have output[0 and 1], and trying to mute specifying only one of them results in both being muted
21:44 < Minall> Regarding hardware... I'm not sure how it may be managed by hardware, since I'm connecting the headphones and all
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22:16 < quinq> Minall, here when I connect something to the jack, the speakers stop outputting sound
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22:17 < Minall> quinq: Not working for me, unless I manually mixerctl output.spkr_mute=on..
22:17 < quinq> ok
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22:20 < Minall> Now, it needs privileges, so I want to use sndioctl but can't :C..
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22:43 < pardis> Minall: do you plan to turn spkr_mute on and off often? if not, why does it matter if it requires root privileges?
22:45 < Minall> pardis: I do it often, as I change from speakers to headphones often... And I'd like to use something without root privileges as I want to write a script on this, or a simple call, having it need privileges will not allow me to call it interactively, since I will be asked the password everytime
22:45 < Minall> Perhaps it has to do with the groups of my user? wheel and operator at the moment
22:49 < oldlaptop> In most contexts, where changing from speakers to headphones involves plugging or unplugging the headphones, that should be happening automatically
22:49 < oldlaptop> if not, I'd (again) wire up a doas rule
22:50 < oldlaptop> (as you'll see if you read up on it, you can reasonably easily lock it down to only those specific command lines that will toggle the outputs or whatever)
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22:58 < Minall> oldlaptop: You're right... I'm forgetting what I've read (The doas manual, I'm doing my best to read all manuals (afterboot, faq, etc)). There's a nopass options that I can use...
22:58 < Minall> Okay, O'
22:59 < Minall> I'll write to the mailing list just so see if I need to do something, or if I can develop/test anything so that I can add more compatibility to OpenBSD, and if there's no response/complicated, I'll go to this route, since I could allow my user to use the specific mixerctl command without privileges
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23:08 < thrig> Doas Mastery Part III Volume 2
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23:13 < pardis> is that where they hid the EBNF spec?
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23:15 < thrig> no, that's in the extended commentaries
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23:16 < Lucas_> that's in the director cut
23:16 < Lucas_> oh well, Minall left
23:17 < Lucas_> but what I do for automating privileged stuff is to create a dedicate user that can doas nopass and place the script in somewhere like /usr/local/libexec, owned by root
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